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Oklahoma Ten Commandments Monument Has Been Ordered Removed — Victory

Published June 30th, 2015 by Bobby Henderson

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Good news everybody, the Oklahoma Supreme Court ordered the Ten Commandments monument must be removed from the state Capitol, saying it violates the Constitution, which bans using public property for the benefit of religion.

This Politico article goes into it in more detail:

Before the statue was installed in 2012 as a gift from Republican state lawmaker Mike Ritze and his family, legislators argued that it was not religious, but historic. Additionally, the U.S. Supreme Court found that a similar monument in Texas did not violate the establishment clause because it was intended to convey a historic and social meaning and did not constitute a religious endorsement.

The 6-foot-tall monument’s installation prompted other groups, from the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster to Satanists, to try to get permission to build their own monuments on the grounds of the state Capitol to mark what they also characterize as historical events.

Big thanks to all the Pastafarians in Oklahoma pushing for equality and the ACLU for doing the tedious work of fighting this case in court.

And the Satanists did a tremendous job of bringing attention to this issue, not to mention that their monument was a work of art:

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The statue features the seven-foot tall, horned figure of Baphomet fawned upon by two exultant children. The statue is a symbol to “celebrate our progress as a pluralistic nation founded on secular law.”

I’m sure it won’t be long before this stuff is in the courts again:

Oklahoma Attorney General Scott Pruitt vowed to file a petition for a rehearing, saying that “the court completely ignored the profound historical impact of the Ten Commandments on the foundation of Western law,” according to local reports.

It’s too bad that these guys are so bent on pushing religion. I feel like there must be something more beneficial to the public they could be spending their time on.

But for today, I feel like we are making progress.



361 Responses to “Oklahoma Ten Commandments Monument Has Been Ordered Removed — Victory”

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  1. SillyKiwiMan says:

    Yay!

    A journey of a thousand miles begins with but a single step. We’ll get there one day.

  2. Rev. Chamberlain says:

    You mean some day I’ll be able to order Linguini with Clam Sauce and pay for it with money that doesn’t say “In God We Trust” ??

    • Rev K. Grisom says:

      OMFSM! Linguini with Clam Sauce! So delicious!!!

  3. Rev K. Grisom says:

    This is a great leap forward. However, it is also aggravating that this will be used as fuel for the mythological “war on christians” in the U.S.

    • The Sauceror says:

      This removal of the ten commandments is good news indeed. Now rep. Ritze can put his monument where it belonged in the first place: in front of a church or in his own back yard. Notice how I so politically used the word “put” rather than the word “shove”?

  4. Captain Hook says:

    I like this.

  5. Holly hates spaghetti :) says:

    All I can say is wow….????? There really is a much larger circle of ignorance than previously imagined…you just gave my mind diarrhea!!!!

  6. Saint Gnocchi says:

    I’m someone who sees NO redeeming features in religion whatsoever. (Except, OF COURSE, our one and only TRUE religion: cotFSM, RAMEN.) The previous comments about people who are or are not afraid to die, made me re-think a thought that has been floating around in my noodle for quite some time. It is: I wonder whether religion has its roots when the first humans learned to communicate through speech. Perhaps small children, distraught that a playmate/mother/father/sibling was savaged by a predator and died from the wounds, asked: “We can see that the body is dead, but where did SHE/HE go?”. So, to console terrified and distraught children traumaised by death, adults would tell them about a wonderful resting place in the sky, perhaps adding that there is where “our beloved grandfather whom the saber tooth ate last year, is now waiting for us and when our turn comes to die we will all be reunited.”

    • Keith says:

      That’s quite possible. I think that the real origins of religion were that people who were observant were able to predict weather patterns, illnesses and animal movements. If they were correct some of the time in their predictions there were able to attribute it to some more powerful force. By extending their claims of prescience they were also able to claim authority to reward and punish members of the community. The rest, as they say, is history.

      • The Sauceror says:

        This may surprise you, but I also have a theory about the origins of religion. I’m thinking that religion arose shortly after the discovery of money. Some ancient fraudster found a way to milk people out of their hard earned savings by persuading them that they were going to burn in some fiery volcano pit if they didn’t bow down before him and offer him their money. To this day, churches are the biggest money making scams on the planet. Think about this: the Catholic church alone has enough money in its coffers to solve all the world’s hunger problems immediately, if it wanted to. Then the Protestants soak enough money from their believers that they can afford to fly all over the world in their own private jets and gather money from poor people to finance their multiple mansions. Muslim countries have the largest percentage of poor people on the planet, and at the same time, some of the richest religious leaders. Yep, I see an obvious money connection.
        I’ve also been working on this other theory that borched mesoms started religion, so they would always be insured that they would have a continuous supply of fraudsters to eat. It worked. There are no hungry borched mesoms. The rest, as they say, is borched mesomry.

        • Keith says:

          Since it is difficult to see a borched mesom, particularly when wearing a camera, I would say that it is considerably more difficult to see into the mind of one. I think it may be easier to attribute the invention of religion to cats since everyone knows how selfish and manipulative cats are.

        • Excelsior says:

          Mark Twain said that “Religion started when the first con-man met the first fool!”

      • SageandLavender says:

        Um , pardon me , but I know a little about Ancient Greek religion , and they didn’t actually believe that weather was the gods and stuff. Those were just stories to tell late at night. The religion of the Olympians was something much deeper and complex.

        • Keith says:

          I couldn’t find any mention of Greek religion in our discussion.

    • Rasputin says:

      Dear St. G., GO AWAY! You’re supposed to be studying!

      • Saint Gnocchi says:

        Dear Rusputin, Done and dusted, all under control. I’ve never failed an exam yet and never will.

        • The Sauceror says:

          Dear St. G., do you have any secrets for how to pass a tooth exam? I fail every time.

        • Rasputin says:

          Good girl.

        • The Sauceror says:

          Dear Rasputin, Good girl?…. my noodly appendage says otherwise.

  7. Excelsior says:

    There is nothing special about the Ten Commandments. It just says “Don’t Murder”, all the rest is gobble-de-gook. Any 4 year old knows that murder is wrong and doesn’t need a book written by bronze age nomads to tell him so! God himself murdered the whole human race (except for Noah) in the Great Flood! So you can see how useless the Ten Commandments are! It would be better to put up monuments to the evolution of human rights. They should include things like The Magna Carta, The Bill of Rights, The Emancipation Proclamation, The Universal Declaration of Human Rights (UN), etc.
    If they insist on religious monuments then all the mainstream and non mainstreams should be represented, including the Pastafarians of course! Ramen! Ramen!!

    • Keith says:

      I should perhaps point out that Magna Carta was only a bill of rights for the nobility.

      • Excelsior says:

        Keith
        Of course you’re right. The importance of the Magna Carta is that it was the first law in history to restrict the powers of the King, paving the way for the subsequent evolution of human rights.
        If the Ten Commandments was a law restricting the power of God then we would honor it. However it was obviously only a ruse, God not only committed genocide, He orders us to murder, plunder, enslave, etc. See NUMBERS 31:17-18
        The FSM is the only God worthy of our devotion! Ramen! Ramen!

    • TheFewTheProudTheMarinara says:

      I was amused to watch Army chaplains dance around that commandment. “This isn’t murder! This is war!”

  8. Saint Gnocchi says:

    Dear TFTPTMarinara, Your remark about the dancing chaplains/war not being murder: You and Yossarian seem to be kindred spirits. I’ve had a good chuckle over the Heller-like view you expressed)

    • Rasputin says:

      Catch 22? It’s the best there is.
      I really love Excelsior’s idea that there should be a bill of rights to restrict the power of God. That’s a damned fine bit of “blue sky” thinking. The FSM is way ahead of us. He’s applied self-imposed limitations on His interventions in human activities and what He might do if we misbehave. The FSM is a very decent and fair deity. Bless Him.

      • The Sauceror says:

        Good thinking about the God-limiting bill of rights, Rasputin. The world would be a whole lot better place if all the other religions would get themselves a deity who is drunk all the time.

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