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We shouldn’t live with absolute frivolity

Published August 12th, 2011 by Bobby Henderson

While life should not be taken too seriously, this doesn’t mean we should live with absolute frivolity. Yes, so-called religions attempt to mandate all sorts of opinions and behaviors about morality and social conformity. This does not mean that actual religion — the sincere attempt to understand the unknowable — is inherently stupid or necessarily bullshit.

Quantum mechanics tells us that all possibilities exist simultaneously until foreclosed by inconsistent observations. So, with regard to what we truly cannot know or observe, it’s possible that all beliefs are equally "true" and very much real. It’s an incredibly powerful thought: that we can design our own eternity simply by imagining it.

Personally, I’d want much more from my eternity than to party on a pirate ship with a bunch of beer and strippers. The ability to have that experience at any time and for any duration? Sure, that would be great. But plain old life has plenty to offer that’s much more sublime and extraordinary than simple hedonism. And it’s not even a very ambitious vision of hedonism.

World history is replete with terrible evils committed in the name of "religion." Certainly, it’s an important message that moral and social "values" should not be elevated to the level of religious beliefs. But our ability as humans to recognize the fundamental unknowable questions — where are we from, why are we here, and where are we going — creates a fundamental human need to discuss and confront these questions.

Pastafarianism does indeed celebrate the power of the individual to choose his or her own answers to these questions. Some might like the idea of choosing answers that are deliberately silly or absurd. But to do so simply to make a point about the beliefs of others is to degrade and dishonor one’s own spirit.

-Tom



1,569 Responses to “We shouldn’t live with absolute frivolity”

  1. Peter Lambert says:

    ‘All beliefs are equally true’ According ‘quantum mechanics’ I’m no scientist but I have common sense and this is a patently absurd statement.

    • Fat Bastard says:

      Peter, beliefs with no evidence are both equally and simultaneously possible, but, the moment there is evidence, everything changes.
      QM is really only intended for the sub-atomic level. Anything is ‘possible’; nothing has zero possibility; but, if the odds against need more zeros than there are electrons in the Universe, it really doesn’t matter, but, it is still ‘possible’.

      • Fat Bastard says:

        Frustrated religious folk, because they have no evidence whatsoever, torture the Laws of Thermodynamics, Information Theory and Quantum Mechanics to produce meaningless rubbish.

        • Apprentice Frederic says:

          FB”Torture” well chosen; they torture the message of their Saviour, not to mention whoever gives them displeasure by questioning them, as well. Fortunately, thermodynamics is invincible….

        • parakmi says:

          QM is meaningless rubbish by iteslf. Particles at superposition, particels in many universes, particles going back in time etc… Christianity (and most religions) sound way more rational than that.
          So either god is real and mocking us through QM or we simply have no idea of what’s going on.

        • Fat Bastard says:

          Parakmi, the appliances that you use hourly rely on QM.
          In the way that Einstein’s formulae are really only meaningfull at very high speeds, QM is only meaningfull at a sub atomic level. Applied to things like cats or religion, produces probability odds zillions of times smaller that quadrillions of times the Universe’s existance = don’t bother waiting or claiming existance. A block of lead turns to pure gold far more often (though, single atoms do so frequently and then undo even faster).

      • parakmi says:

        And thermodynamics is not invincible. According to general theory of relativity and recent discoveries of dark matter, conservation of energy goes out of the windows. And if EM drives proves to be real so does conservation of momentum.

        • Apprentice Frederic says:

          Dear parakmi, my statement about thermodynamics was meant in a more lighthearted and ironic sense than you seem to have to have taken it, and I am sorry that that was not made clearer. Just to show that I am in acceptable company, however, let me offer an interesting quote about thermodynamics: “It is the only physical theory of universal content concerning which I am convinced that, within the framework of applicability of its basic concepts, it will never be overthrown.” (Albert Einstein, 1949) “…framework of applicability…” is an important proviso, and I am sure not lost upon either of us. That also applies to QM in general and for sure to the issues of interpretation that have been under intense scrutiny from the beginning and certainly very much so at the present. Einstein himself was, of course, a skeptic and part of the initial discussion, and a paradox bearing his name is, I think, still part of the effort to clarify how and where the quantum world and the classical world interact. Rather than get myself involved in a pissing match regarding, for example, your statement that QM is meaningless rubbish (in which you arrogate to yourself knowledge not yet possessed by *anybody*), I will let someone who cares try to educate you about how science progresses. Maybe nobody will bother.

        • parakmi says:

          Dear Apprentice Frederic.
          Maybe my statement about QM was also in a more lighthearted and ironic sense than you seem to believe i have taken your statement about thermodynamics. there is no pissing match here (whatever that might be…)
          If you look at new discoveries about dark energy (not matter) it is believed that energy is being created out of nowhere which is in contract with thermodynamics. Ofc this applies to large scale universe thermodynamics and yes TD so far has a good framework of applicability at least here on earth. But so does Newtonian physics, and so did empirical theories that ancients used to make ships and buildings. that of course does mean that those theories are Complete or even correct.
          And when i say that we have no idea of what’s going on its not meant to be taken as a degrading of our beloved science in which recently we have put too much faith in. It is to realize that there is alot more to be learned, things totally new and counter intuitive.
          And one more thing. On all the discussions (not only here) i see thousands of comments comparing religion with science and how evidence of one is the death of the other. And yes there is a torturing of some interpretations of QM to justify Religious claims. however, once again, we have no idea of what is going on and even if religions are really a load bshit faity tales, so let it be. Religion is one thing, science is another. We need both. Maybe I will let someone who cares try to educate you (and by you i mean all science polarised anti-religious nazis) of how religion works and progresses. Probably nobody will care because social science tells us that we must keep and spread our beliefs and our way of thinking by any means.

        • Apprentice Frederic says:

          parakmi, a fair and temperate answer, thank you

        • Fat Bastard says:

          Parakmi, the most frequent abuse of the Laws of Thermodynamics is in not considering the ‘closed system’ qualifier. Religious people even forget about energy from the Sun.
          Are you suggesting that Entropy is incorrect, because, we don’t know where the energy/information is going to?

        • Fat Bastard says:

          Social Science doesn’t tell anyone to do anything.

        • parakmi says:

          Entropy is not wrong, At least at the moment, at least for our universe, at least for the current time period. And no science tells anything or anyone to do anything. They just describe what happens.

  2. Excelsior says:

    Pete,
    “All Gods are created equal.” Which is a mixture of Voltaire and Thomas Jefferson, Two of the greatest brains produced by the human race. However, “some are more equal than others” by another genius George Orwell. And “the FSM is the most equal of all” as anyone with common sense knows.
    Glory to the FSM! Ramen!

  3. Rasputin says:

    Not only that, Parakmi, but if it takes 47 minutes for a five-legged spider to crawl across a barrel of treacle, all the squid in the pot will need more zippers. Yeah. Yeah. I can’t understand what you’re writing about and now I’ve got my own back.

    • parakmi says:

      That must have been the best argument so far.

  4. The Pessimist says:

    I am new to Pastafarianism and have been spending some time looking into it’s teachings.
    What I’ve read in this comment threat has been amusing, bemusing, scientific, satirical, theological, outrageous, (partly) not provable and mind mindbogglingly ridiculous at times. I find the sense of satirical depth and complexity/simplicity of argumentation extremely satisfying and am also a great believer in the building blocks of this religion.

    One theory I have that worries me however is, that it might implode on itself if it’s popularity increases and the human condition corrupts it’s core to descent from it’s noble satirical roots into bigotry and condemnation.
    This institution doesn’t feel to me as if it’s meant to ever be too serious (rooted in satirical activism as it is). It seems to be about getting together and doing good/enjoying life/making life more enjoyable/bearable for others and equally importantly making a statement against short sighted/freedom imparting/imposing religions and groups through healthy satirical activity.

    I believe that many of these traits were present in the believes of the original prophets/honored humans of many of the worlds religions today. They were manifested in ways that were true to the cultures and traditions of their times and then got subverted by the human condition and steeped in tradition built on the lack of knowledge and culture of the time of conception. I also believe that though a lot of these religions have many collectively rotten elements, many individuals use these religions to improve their lives and the lives of those around them. I think that if Pastafarianism will stand the test of time, this same faith is the only logical progression. There will still be many individuals who will do good and find comfort in its believes/tranditions. Many people might find piece in its sense of community, but it’s core will rot out and the end result will be fear and loathing for the Spaghetti monster and all who follow it. Ironically, this in a sense would also be completely true to it’s origins as it would be final piece of satire rooted it it’s core. Aaarrrg

    • Fat Bastard says:

      The Pessimist…. it’s is short for it is. Does that mean you are American? What’s this ‘human condition’ that you mention?

      • Rasputin says:

        Hey Pessimist, WELCOME !!! The FSM does not require us to worship Him.
        The Abrahamic god is a narcissist who screams, “Worship me and obey me or I’ll slaughter you and your family”.
        The FSM proclaims, “Hey what, I don’t care, pass me another beer, I’ve got better things to do than listen to your prayers”.
        In the distant future, perhaps no gods at all will be worshipped on our planet. At that point, Pastafarianism will have succeeded .

        • Niels Fries says:

          You’re all a waste of precious breaths being taken on this earth, and you really need to fuck off, there should be a final chapter in pasta shit, and that is to kill yourself… you don’t know where it came from, you don’t know what it is, YOU DON’tT EVEN KNOW THE POINT OF IT!

          Me and my friends had fun over it back when it actually was funny (2005-2008), and like with so many other funny crazes (Gangnam style! Do you worship PSY?!), we moved on, like adults!

          I really hope you get cancer!

          It wouldn’t be unjust to drag you through the streets and crowds of people beat and kick and jump on you!

        • Captain Birdseye says:

          …with the slight problem that you are no longer in control of Mosul.

  5. Kekka says:

    Niels, you sir are a twat

    • Captain Birdseye says:

      Sir? Niels has no idea that he functions, paradoxically, as a weaponised anti-evangelist, single-handedly deconverting droves of people, wherever he goes. Fortunately, us true believers are immune to such rubbish.
      Ahhh… The FSM moves in mysterious ways.

  6. Patroller says:

    Disabled toilet.

    • Captain Birdseye says:

      The idiotic fascist evangelist, Trollope, just can’t bring himself to reveal that we’re all going to Hell.
      His Mission is to ban all religions except Catholicism, engineer a violent ‘Armageddon’, deport all immigrant families (as if Europe would want the return of most Britons and all ‘mercans) and force everyone to convert.
      I think he works for ISIS.

  7. Bane says:

    The Captain is a crackpot.

    • Captain Birdseye says:

      Why not say what’s really on your mind? ‘You’re going to Hell for not believing in angels, demons and divine racial purity’….? ‘Jesus can save you’….?
      It takes profound stupidity and arrogance to believe that an imaginary Bronze Age sky-fairy is real, let alone, one that also thinks like you do.

      • Patroller says:

        The Captain can’t think clearly.

      • Apprentice Frederic says:

        Cap’n B., I just remembered an epithet from long ago that Our Pal qualifies for; “crow’s cloaca”.

        • Bane says:

          Fred, explain what you mean.

        • Apprentice Frederic says:

          Look up ” cloaca”..

        • Patroller says:

          Fred has gone crazy like the Captain.

        • Apprentice Frederic says:

          Crazy like the Captain would be OK with me.

        • Captain Birdseye says:

          AF, I’m stunned that a fundie Catholic traitor doesn’t know that cloaca is Latin for sewer, their historically-favourite escape route.
          Either, spunkmonkey was asleep during the whole of primary school biology, or, he was ‘home-schooled’ by priests.

        • Patroller says:

          The Captain will know the truth for the last comment.

        • Patroller says:

          That means that the Captain will understand……..

        • Patroller says:

          the truth of existence.

        • Patroller says:

          It means €€€€€.

          Disabled toilet.

  8. Bane says:

    Wake up man, you’ve gone demented. Lol…

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