What exactly do you think you are going to prove?

Published July 22nd, 2011 by Bobby Henderson

What exactly do you think you are going to prove? it’s just disrespectful to other human beings faiths and beliefs, and im sure u of all people should know u can’t put any sense into say a devout christian. Honestly, what your doing is the equivalant of making a rude, sarcastic joke to a child that doesn’t understand humor. u cant tell a christian thats been raised from birth to believe that there’s a magic man in the clouds that he’s wrong. you’ll just get what uve been getting, hate mail, and death threats. God is the equivalant of santa exept the child is never told he isn’t real until it’s to late. and u think your doing a good thing by making up this pastafarian crap to prove how absurd the idea of god is. what i don’t think u understand is that u cant argue with idiots about this stuff as most christians are dont know a thing about science.(I apoligize to all respectable christian scientists). as an athiest, im disgusted what youre doing. like making fun of christians being killed by somali’s, and u quoting, "apparently they thought there god could give them safe passage"(yes ive read ur website). really, did it ever, or does it ever occur to you that these people are actually human being’s with family’s and feeling’s, and just because they think the world was created  differantly than u, u have to mock them… that’s kind of a dick move. your being no better than they are(religious people) by making fun of and disrespecting other people just ’cause they think differantly than u. oh wait u are religous, u worship a flying spaggetti monster. which means i have the right to ridicule u on how stupid your dumbfuck religion is(oh may the great pasta diety forgive me for my sin) and dont deny that u worship the all mighty pasta king, because your the leader of the church. with the true words of your religion written on a piece of paper. it’s ironic that u, by trying to prove how bad religion is. go about it by u yourself inbodying everything that is wrong with human beliefs. u are everything that is wrong with athiesm. u go around acting all superior and pompus, like u know better than everyone else and tell them why there wrong mockingly. the world would be a better place if u took all your "followers" (butt pirates) got on a pirate ship and ate spaggetti until you all died of overeating.have u ever heard the term live and let live? and i love it how  u post all the hate mail u get on a your page to be ridiculed by your cronies( who by the way need to get of the internet and do something productive)yes we all the the bible huggars are gonna say dumb stuff because they’re uneducated. but that doesn’t mean u have to be immature and make fun of there faults so just lay off. even though this message sounds hostile just know i agree with what your’e trying to do (i think) educating people, i just wholly disagree with how u are going about it.


A short response from Bobby:

It’s not our intention to mock or offend anyone. But I realize people sometimes feel mocked  or offended.

It might be fair to say that we’re disrespectful.  I would agree that most Pastafarians don’t respect the notion that religion should sit on a pedestal.  We don’t think that because an action is explained in the context of religion it is exempt from the scrutiny it otherwise would have been subjected to.  Religion is not a free pass for crazy ideas and crazy actions. 

I would agree that it’s not our place to pass judgment on those who see the world through a lens of religion.  But neither is it our place to ignore when personal belief becomes public action.  We can accept that some choose to teach their kids the earth is 6000 years old and that dinosaurs are a myth.  But if they push for those ideas to be taught in our schools, it’s no longer a question of respecting personal belief.

The idea that rational minded people must be anti-religion is a wrong one, I think.   If we must draw a line to divide ourselves, I’d prefer the line be positioned between reasonable and unreasonable people, rather than religious and non-religious people.  

It’s one thing to see the world through a lens, and another thing to act as if it’s the only lens that can exist.

I believe there is no group more tolerant of other religious and nonreligious groups than Pastafarians, without question.  The death of the Christian sailors by pirates was a sad thing for everyone who heard of it, I’m sure.  My hope is that it doesn’t happen again.  The hard question is:  will criticizing the decision to venture into dangerous areas on the basis of faith help avoid a similar situation in the future?  I don’t know the answer.  But I wonder how many of their friends and family wish they had shaken them and said this is a bad idea, don’t do this.  This is one of the hard questions – this line between respect and concern. 

965 Responses to “What exactly do you think you are going to prove?”

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  1. YourWorshipfulness says:

    It seems strange to me how we constantly compare religion and science. They are two completely separate things that have almost nothing to do with each other beyond religion’s (let’s face it, usually Christianity’s) weird obsession with proving it wrong. It is essentially like a romantic movie and have illustrated it in the following skit:

    In the not-so-distant past:

    Science: Um…look, Christianity–I know we’ve sort of been fooling around and stuff, and I think you’re really great, but I think we should break up.

    Christianity: What? Why? I mean, we’re perfect for each other!

    Science: Yeah, but I mean, long-term, I don’t think it’s going to work. I’m looking for something a bit more serious. And we have nothing in common.

    Christianity: What? How can you say that? We practically finish each’s other’s sentences!

    Science: Well, I created a formula that reliably predicts what you are likely to say, so it’s not so difficult. And you often put words in my mouth when you do it. I think it’s best if we just stay away from each other.

    Christianity: NO! I believe in us! I know we will work out! I know that if you just have faith in the power of our love, we can make this work!

    Science: Do you have any evidence of the power of love?

    Christianity: Just look around! Love is everywhere–love can do anything!

    Science: So, that’s a no?

    Christianity: Just give me one more chance!

    Science: I’m sorry. This for the best. Besides, I’ve been flirting with Agnosticism… Maybe we can stay friends?

    Christianity: I don’t want to be friends! The power of love isn’t satisfied by friendship!

    Science: Look, I guess this was destined not to end amicably, but I think in the end you’ll be happier if you never hear from me again. I’m not going to call you or talk bad about you or anything. I just want to be left alone.

    Christianity: NOOOO!!!! If you leave me, I swear I’ll spend the rest of my life trying to prove that we belong together. I will never leave you alone. Whatever I have to do, I will do it, and if I have to kill every other religion in the world, I will make you come back to me. I swear it!

    Science: Ok, well, that seems like kind of an overreaction–but I guess there’s no arguing with you. It’s in your nature.

    I think I’ll take this thing on tour.

    • Kyle says:

      HA! The needy co-dependant.

      As for the original piece of hate mail, I have trouble listening to anyone who doesn’t know the difference between “your” and “you’re,” use “u” for “you,” and otherwise can’t spell or use proper caps or punctuation.
      It marks you as an idiot, so why should his thoughts be any more substantial than that?

      • Captain Birdseye says:

        It’s ironic how David just doesn’t see how he acts the very qualities he blames. I would suggest he watches The Life of Brian as his homework on irony. I think the bad spelling and grammar is passive-aggressive, in that the writer intentionally inflicts pain. Spot-on with co-dependant.

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  5. Steph says:

    Although it seems like a cruel joke to the christian “children” of the world, there are some yet to be saved by The FSM. I just recently was born again into a new way of life, logic and science. Raised in a strictt christian household, where Darwin was actualy a curse word, I moved into the ‘real world’ with an understanding of God. Until I went to school and learned the truth about how the world works I belived firmly in God and religion as a whole, now… I see the light. This is the best way to stop and say, “you guys know that religion is super harmful and not even factual, right? we all know this is a joke, right?” The best thing that could have hapened to me was freedom FROM religion. Please don’t take this away, it’s super rad.

  6. t and c says:

    So first of all YOU is not spelled U learn English. Second, if you’re going to criticize someones beliefs then you’re the rude one. I don’t see why this makes you so upset??? If it makes someone happy then why would you think it’s okay to judge them? Does it keep you up at night? Lol you’re dumb as fuck. Suck my ass. Bye Felicia.

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  8. Yusuf al-Bakir says:

    There were so many grammatical errors with this post that I, as somebody like you may phrase, “literally can’t even.” The irony is how you make a blanket statement calling all Christians uneducated, yet you, a pompous atheist that knows better than those of us whose morals are based in theology, don’t seem to know how to distinguish when to use apostrophes, what form of “your” or “you’re” to use, how to capitalize your sentences, or spell some of the most basic words in the English language. If you’re going to critique somebody, you should probably at least do it correctly. You also probably shouldn’t make blanket statements about entire populations, such as Christians. When you criticize Mr. Henderson for acting pompous as if he knows better than everyone else, you adopt that same attitude in your poorly-written critique. I, a Christian that is probably half your age, am probably much more insightful and accepting of conflicting world views than a person like you could ever be. You and your single-digit IQ should stay off of the internet, and probably should never reproduce.

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