I understand your weak attempt

Published November 20th, 2009 by Bobby Henderson

Bobby, I understand your weak, (though somewhat humorous) attempt to draw parallel between your alleged FSM and the true Creator, fortunately your doubt does not negate nor prevent His existence.

There is a Bible verse which states that the fervent prayer of a righteous man (one who has chosen to believe in forgiveness and accept eternal life) avails much.

Since you evidently do not believe in the Creator you should have no issue with my prayer for you.

Perhaps He will see that it will require a ‘hitting bottom’ before your mind, soul and ‘heart’ as they say, is open to the possibility and awareness that eternity without this Creator, whom is love, will be an horrible reality.

You are allowed to make your decision either way, but I’m hoping your ears & eyes will be opened to the realization that this 3-dimensional physical apparent reality is so much less than that of the realm of the Living Spirit.

May He be exalted in you, also, and may you find Life.

Bobby, expect the unexpected.
Il Pavarello

184 Responses to “I understand your weak attempt”

  1. ATSAP REVOL says:

    Il Pavarello, this “Creator, whom is love” was, according to the OT, responsible for some very unloving behavior. He ordered the death or personally killed about 30 million people, according to one tabulation. Adolph Hitler, then, was not nearly as “loving,” he only ordered the death of about seven million people.

    Your self-image of yourself as a “righteous man” capable of offering “fervent prayers” tells much about your ego and your blind acceptance of religious dogma. May you, as you put it, honestly evaluate your beliefs and “find life.”


  2. Bryan says:

    Well, at least he was polite and actually kinda knows what this whole thing is about.

  3. don says:

    A weak attempt to scare Bobby, where is the threats of eternal damnation, the fire, the pit of fire? Have you ever considered that your doubt in the Noodly Creator does not negate or prevent His existence?

  4. Insightful Ape says:

    Hey Il (what?),
    I understand your weak (and not at all humorous) attempt to troll
    the intertubes. Fortunately your inanity by no means calls into question the existence of stale beer and diseased strippers, which you are going to be stuck with.
    I couldn’t care less about your talking to yourself about me. I do find offensive, however, your intolerance and your patronizing attitude, evidenced by your desire to magically (through your words) changes the world in such a way that everyone thinks like you.
    It may take hitting the bottom, but I hope one day you come to realize that a whole eternity without a beer volcano will be a sad and horrifying prospect.
    I hope one day your eyes and ears will open to the fact that the
    apparent physical reality is so mundane when compared to the glories of the beer volcano and stripper factory.
    PS Expect the unexpected-is that a threat?

  5. Estwo says:

    I’m sorry I cannot figure out the cryptic meaning of “Il Pavarello,” but that is not pertinent for this rebuttal. You have addressed your disagreement in a respectful and considered way – I will do the same. If I sound impolite, it is simply a lack of composing my thoughts correctly and not, repeat, not meant to show disrespect for you or your beliefs.

    Of course, the parallel between your god and this one, is but a comic routine. Of course, everyone has a right to believe in what myth so desired. The point to take away from all of this is how ridiculous it is to believe in an unconfirmed deity. Factually, deities cannot be proven. All-in-all, it comes down to choice.

    The FSM is but a way to ridicule the many religions that claim the guise of righteousness while secretly hiding behind some other beings judgment.

    Scientifically, evolution and the origin of the universe is explicable. Through rigorous testing and investigation, geneticists, archeologists and geologists have discovered the origins of the earth and life. There is no mythological proof otherwise. The Cobe mission examined the background microwave glow of the universe and found that it fit perfectly with the idea that the universe used to be really hot everywhere. This strongly reinforced the Big Bang theory and was one of the most dramatic examples of an experiment agreeing with a theory in history — the data points fit perfectly, with error bars too small to draw on the graph. It’s one of the most triumphant scientific results in history.

    As further demonstration of rational thought beyond dogma, let’s examine the Bible itself. Claiming to write from the inspired word of a deity, men (and not women) wrote the books of the guiding documents for nearly all religions. In the case of the Bible, it is irrefutable the books were written by humans. What is interesting is the time frame in which the entirety was written. It spanned roughly 1500 B.C. to 100 A.D. This is to say the Bible was started four centuries shy of three millennium ago. Additionally, in the one and one-half millennium demonstrated in the Bible, God spoke to many people. Of those, only fewer than 25 were inspired enough to recount the messages. Then along came the organized religions. Jews were first, followed by the Christians. Not until Constantine the Great did Christianity become a widely accepted religion. So, men wrote the Word of God. An emperor mandated the belief. Humans are at the origins, core and organization of Christianity. The same can be represented for every other religion in the world, bar-none.

    I don’t wish to belittle your belief. I feel the strength of Christianity is in its followers. Christianity, and Judaism, fail the believers. It tells the followers to forgive for God will pass his own judgment. It tells its followers to forgive the sinner and not the sin. It tells its followers to believe in God and Christ and in them is salvation. Why then are there groups like the Westboro Baptist Church that spews such hatred and vile ridicule. It is because human interpretation has diluted the message. The single rule, and only rule I believe in, is the Golden Rule.

    The Golden Rule comes from the merging of two edicts, both of the Old Testament, from Leviticus.
    “Do not seek revenge or bear a grudge against one of your people, but love your neighbor as yourself.”
    “But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God.”

    The Jewish Torah, Buddhism’s Dhammapada, Confucianism’s Analects, and so on as there are too many to mention here. All report the same behavior is preferred – Be kind to your common person. If Siddhartha Gautama, Confucius and Muhammad were inspired by their gods and tenants, how can it be said that only you god is the one true god.

    Another way Christianity fails the followers is in inspiring free thought. In fact, it is stated over and over in the Bible to put one’s faith in God and all will be provided. How many times have you heard someone tell you how God saved the child in the burning building? How many times have you heard someone say they prayed to find the keys to the car. To what point does your god respond to requests for help or not. At what point does it come to acknowledging the hard work of the EMT’s and firefighters. Where is the personal responsibility to put up key hooks. Nowhere, I say, if it is relied upon for a god to direct a person to every want an desire. How can we trust a person like Sarah Palin to be a positive influence in the USA if she only puts her faith in her deity and lets him lead her. Where is the recognition that religion rejects free thought in lieu of blind faith?

    Blind faith – wow, there’s one for you. Every religious person I have ever known says that faith is best when arrived at by contemplation. The result is to place faith in a deity and not oneself. The result is to be sheep, mostly because Jesus is the shepherd. The faith is placed upon some outside force to make decisions and ultimately when to die. Where is the faith in oneself? The faith in one’s spouse or children? What is said to the daughter who passed on marriage and family to care for an ailing mother? Is not faith best placed in tangible and passionate things? When was the last time you trusted your brakes at an intersection?

    Perhaps I’ve not changed your mind about dogma; that’s just fine. Please, just please, think about what it means to you and what it provides you can’t get elsewhere.

    Try Humanism. Even if you stay religious, you can be a Humanist. Personally, I am a Secular Humanist. I have convinced some Christians to support Humanism. This ethical guides are not necessarily exclusive of one another.

    Thanks for your time, Il Pavarello. It is nice to discuss such matters with a level-headed person. You are a credit to your faith.

    PS – I am sorry to be critical of one thing. If you expect the unexpected, is not the unexpected expected. Therefore, it follows there is nothing unexpected or all things are expected. That phrase has always caused me consternation.

  6. DocAwsome says:

    Yet again, the bible is cited. Typical.

  7. Brian Fritzen says:

    Oooooo You used nursery rhymes to prove your “creator.” In that case, why do you not exalt the Almight Zeus. Or worship Odin? Wait, wait… sorry I was in tears from laughing so hard. Your “creator” is LOVE!?!!! ROFLMAO! Bwahahahahahahaha! Try telling that to all the Jewish babies burned in the Holocaust, because, according to your “loving creator” the fires of Aushwitz and Buchenwald were far less fierce than the flaming pits of hell. The burned here, horribly, but now your “loving creator” is burning them for eternity because they didn’t believe in Jesus and were baptized.

    And this “loving creator” will burn good men and women who lead a life that leaves the world a better place for all eternity because they did not believe in him. Yet he will reward child murderers and rapists as long as they repent.

    Millions killed in his name. We continue to have wars based on this goofy religion. Pastafarianism and the FSM have NEVER waged war on any religion in order to convert or prove our faith or prove pthers false.

    We eat pasta and drink beer. And enjoy the occasional lap dance.

    FSM FTW!! Invisible Sky Zombie FAIL! i have no issue with your prayers because it means that somewhere in there (when you are not condemning people you feel superior to) there might be a good heart/ person.

    Remember, the Christian is good for a reward and to avoid eternal punishment.

    The atheist is good for goodness sake.

  8. Ham Nox says:

    “Bobby, I understand your weak, (though somewhat humorous) attempt to draw parallel between your alleged FSM and the true Creator, fortunately your doubt does not negate nor prevent His existence.”

    Clearly, this person does not understand. This is not an attempt to discredit religion. It’s an attempt to discredit the teaching of Intelligent Design as if it were a genuinely scientific theory.

    “There is a Bible verse which states that the fervent prayer of a righteous man (one who has chosen to believe in forgiveness and accept eternal life) avails much.”

    Yes, and the pastafarian Gospel states that Gravity is a myth and everything is really kept down by his noodley appendages. And you should clearly be convinced by this quote, as the gospel was written with the divine inspiration of his Noodleyness–and who should know anything better than the creator of the universe himself?

    “Since you evidently do not believe in the Creator you should have no issue with my prayer for you.”

    Just as you shouldn’t care if I happen to think you’re a brainwashed idiot and wake up every morning with the hope that reason might someday change your mind. Because you don’t believe in my version of reason, my condescending attitude towards you ought not to cause any issue.

    “Perhaps He will see that it will require a ‘hitting bottom’ before your mind, soul and ‘heart’ as they say, is open to the possibility and awareness that eternity without this Creator, whom is love, will be an horrible reality.”

    I no speak to you on subject of atheist wordview. I post link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkCuc34hvD4


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