Whatever one might say about what this nation ought to be

Published June 18th, 2008 by Bobby Henderson

In response to this post, where I called McCain a douche.

Whatever one might say about what this nation ought to be, the fact is that the nation was established as a Christian nation. To the Founding Fathers, this would have gone witout saying – and it is quite clearly the case from the language they used throughout documents of the period, including the Declaration of Independance.

It was also true, however, that by this time in history the hold of Christianity had been greatly weakened, especially amongst those that followed the ideas of the philosophes. The American intellectuals of the day were keen to find the hand of the Christian God in nature, and considered the pursuit of science and understanding religious truth as one and the same. Thus they considered the nature of God to be knowable by observation and personal reflection, and were so thoroughly disgusted by the European wars in the pursuit of one or another version of the Christian God’s word that they incorporated into the US Constitution an amendment making lawful the free expression of a person’s faith, whatsoever it may be.

McCain is not a “douche” for expressing a simple fact. Likewise, I suspect those who are so adamant about pressing home the freedoms of expression and religious choice as outlined in the first amendment would not be so nearly as enthusiastic in defending the freedoms expressed in the second – consider that just a hunch. Indeed, might I speculate that calling McCain a “douche” might have political rather than philosophical or ethical motivations.


126 Responses to “Whatever one might say about what this nation ought to be”

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  1. Ember says:

    America was founded by Deists.

    One sentence was all it took to disprove you. Please learn before you try to argue.

  2. Alyson says:

    Most of the founding fathers were not Christian. Like most of the other great philosophers of their time they were Deists. They were fully aware of the havoc that religion had wreaked on Europe over the centuries. They understood that the cause was the dogmatic beliefs of the church. They mention the god in the Declaration of Independence, but in a Deist way. They did not believe in the trinity, the divinity of Jesus, or the bible as the absolute word of god. Contemporary philosophy was opposed to theocracy and the constitution reflects their beliefs for the clear separation of church and state.

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  6. Alphonsus says:

    Hey DrCreul,

    You are an ignorant SOB! You don’t know a damn thing about the founding fathers. Much less about American history. Thomas Jefferson for one was not a deist. This is not a Christian nation. This is a nation with a secular and pluralistic society and our constitution maintains a separation of church and state! Bet you would love to live during the times of the early Puritans. They were bigots. If you were a Quaker back then the Puitans would have hung you. They were the ancestors of today’s fundamentalist protestant bigots, like yourself. Go and join homophobe Michele Bachman and her self loathing closet queen husband Marcus, Mr. Lifestyle!

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