Public hearings in Florida

Published January 6th, 2008 by Bobby Henderson

evol2.jpgThe Florida State School Board is holding public hearings to talk about changes to science standards.

New standards were written by scientists and educators, but some evangelical Christians want Creationism and Intelligent Design taught as well.

Clearly, this is an issue that concerns us. Are there any Pastafarians in Florida willing to give us a first-hand report?

They’ve held a meeting in Jacksonville already. There’s a meeting in Fort Lauderdale next week.

You can read the article from First Coast News, though it does not say much.

A more informative article: here


The meeting in Ft. Lauderdale is scheduled for:

JANUARY 8TH from 5:30-7:30pm at Everglades High School

Can anyone make it? A prize to anyone who shows up in pirate regalia and asks – respectfully – if the new standards will be inclusive of the beliefs of Pastafarians.

55 Responses to “Public hearings in Florida”

  1. Webch Nikkiee says:

    @Fizzmick PaChee Jan 8th, 2008 at 8:54 am

    “I read your post on the debate that Eric asked for help on – thanks for the ammunition. Those are regular arguments that I hear from creationists. I knew they were wrong, but just couldn’t so effectively counter. Brilliant!”
    Thanks! No problem :)
    I’ve come across most of the YEC arguments before. Common descent is one of my favourites because of my experience and interest in genetics. YECs always try to stick to fossils ect. rather than go near molecular biology. Most don’t have the foggiest about it (they just try to regurgitate from their favourite propaganda sites) and there is just too much molecular evidence specifically supporting evolution to go too close to that area.
    If they do venture there it’s because they count on most people also being unfamiliar. A pretty good bet…. most of the time. :)
    They do appear to be changing their argument and accepting common descent more than before. Not like they have any choice! They simply can argue against it!
    The Francis Collins review at Talk Reason is excellent.
    Talk origins also have an article along similar lines…
    “Plagiarized Errors and Molecular Genetics: Another argument in the evolution-creation controversy”

    Also a lot of their the old arguments other than *irreducible complexity* come from the straw man versions of evolution put up by creationist, Jonathon Wells in his Icons of Evolution.
    Here’s a great handy reference to the rebuttals to Wells Icons (bit less technical than the absolute gem website Talk Origins) if you haven’t already seen it.

  2. beeble says:

    did anyone go to the “hearing” last night? If so I’d love to see a review here or as a separate news entry

  3. Ohio Pirate says:

    Any news on the meeting?

  4. iwishyouwouldlearntoreadafarian says:

    The meeting minutes are not posted yet on the website.

  5. Wench Nikkiee says:

    “Oscar Howard Jr., superintendent of Taylor County’s School District, and Danny Lundy, vice chairman of the School Board, spoke in accents from that other Florida. ‘’We’re opposed to teaching evolution as a fact,’’ Howard said, adding that his School Board and 11 others have passed resolutions against the imposition of evolution in the school curriculum.
    Wait a minute. Did I read that right? Eleven other counties passed anti-evolution resolutions? How in the world did that escape any real public notice until now?”
    Has this sort of thing ever happened anywhere in the States before? Kansas maybe?
    Doesn’t sound too good at all :(

  6. Wench Nikkiee says:

    Ohio Pirate Jan 10th, 2008 at 8:24 pm
    “Any news on the meeting?”
    A few newspaper editorials and stories…
    “Fresh airing of evolution draws crowd”
    As the Florida Board of Education prepares to change science standards in the state’s schools, supporters and detractors of evolution voice their opinions.

    “…….Others at a meeting at Everglades High School in Miramar urged state education officials to give other theories of the origin of life equal space — and let students decide what to believe.”
    “Oscar Howard Jr., superintendent of the 3,300-student Taylor County Public Schools near Tallahassee, drove nine hours to speak against the new standards. His district’s five-member school board had unanimously voted to oppose them about a month ago.
    ”We do not believe that evolution is a fact,” he said. “It should be taught as a theory along with other theories.”
    “West Palm Beach parent Laura Lopez, who wore a shirt saying ”Don’t Condone What God Condemns,” called evolution a lie spread by Satan.”
    Seems the biggest news to come out was that Taylor County (along with 10 other counties?) have already passed resolutions against the new science standards! I’m findng all this a little hard to comprehend realistically. I know these sort of people are real….I’ve been having…erm…..let’s say *discussions* with them for over a year now, but I still can’t get my head around the fact this is actually happening in the year 2008! 2008…not 1808….
    I came across some proposed anti-evolution lesson ideas…
    “Eden’s apple falls far from evolution tree”
    “So here’s my suggestion. You not only should maintain your ban on the “E” word in science class but also should allow for further retooling of scientific lessons to palliate the justifiable grievances of the faith-based community in such an irritatingly non-faith-based area of study..
    Old concept: the force that pulls objects toward the center of the Earth.
    New way to be taught: “which explains why angels need wings to maintain their hovering.”
    “The Second Law of Thermodynamics
    Old concept: Heat will not flow spontaneously from an object of lower temperature to an object of higher temperature.
    New way to be taught: “which explains why newcomers to hell don’t make the nonbelievers already there burn at increasingly hotter temperatures.”
    Sounds like blatant competition against our Theory… bet they haven’t got a Gospel or all the photographic evidence we have though!! ;)
    Oh well, I guess at least Oscar Howard Jr., (superintendent of the 3,300-student Taylor County Public Schools) will support us…

    “”We do not believe that evolution is a fact,” he said. “It should be taught as a theory along with other theories.”

    RAmen Oscar

  7. Mph88DeLorean says:

    Anything from this meeting?

  8. Apprentice Frederic says:

    @ Web(?)ch Nikkiee
    Thanks for the links – interesting and edifying (?) (talkorigins grim though, just as you remarked). You make such great and helpful use of the site. I will try to benefit from your piratical example and quit bashing troglodytes. Ooops, sorry…..

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