Florida evolution showdown – part 2

Published January 20th, 2008 by Bobby Henderson


My Clay Sun has published a report on the recent Clay County School Board meeting:

Despite impassioned opposition from science experts, teachers and some clergy, Clay County School Board members unanimously resolved Tuesday night that evolution should be presented as a theory, and not fact, in the classroom.

The board passed a resolution, proposed by Superintendent David Owens, asking the Florida Department of Education to reword its newly proposed state standards, which presents evolution as “the fundamental concept underlying all of biology and is supported in multiple forms of scientific evidence.”

The Baker County, Florida, School Board approved a similar resolution a month ago.

The Florida State Board of Education is scheduled to vote Feb. 19th on proposed changes to state science standards.

Creationists will likely continue their campaign that evolution is “just a theory”, and as such should not be presented as fact. Their argument is that unless a theory has been “proved”, it is no more valid than any other theory. They don’t realize – or choose not to acknowledge – that most theories in science have not been “proved”, and it’s not the purpose of science to provide dogmatic proof of anything.

Scientists will likely continue to get worked up and make compelling logical arguments that will go right over the Creationists’ heads. They’ll not accept that appeals to logic don’t work on those who have abandoned logic for faith.

Here are some links if you’d like to read more.

My Clay Sun report on the Clay County School Board resolution

Florida Today article on the upcoming State School Board vote

Florida Citizens for Science coverage of the issue

We need to decide how we’ll proceed …


170 Responses to “Florida evolution showdown – part 2”

  1. Eric says:

    Looks like I’m going to have to re-mail my letter and start advocating others to follow suit

    This is a horrible, spit-in-the-face at science.

    I and embarrassed to live in Florida.

  2. Theo says:

    The more people know they’re created by the FSM the better!
    Because uhm… you know. It’s good.

  3. Jerad says:

    Evolution IS ‘just a theory’.
    But so is Creationism.

  4. BlackBard says:

    Praise be to our Lord the Flying Spaghetti Monster! We have another chance to ensure that impressionable children are taught the truth about the origin of man. Maybe “evolution” is just a theory, but our explanation is a FACT, and should be taught along side those other “explanations.”
    Let’s show support for the inclusion of alternate “theories” of the origin of man and the proliferation of species all over the world. What a glorious day!!

  5. cabose says:

    Seriously, nothing scientific is ‘proved’ as science deals not with truth, and science is not a hierarchy. When somebody says that a theory is ‘just a theory’ because it ‘hasn’t been proved’ they are showing their ignorance of science as a theory isn’t a second rate speculation; it is a well studied, peer reviewed, and consistent explanation of something observed.

    Example: Person A claims there is a dragon in his garage. Person B asks for verification. Person A claims that the dragon is invisible and cannot be felt. As the dragon has no means by which to observe it, it is not verifiable or falsifiable, meaning that it is not science’s realm to deal with.

    In the same path, creationism cannot be placed under the class of science, as it is not science, not even pseudo science; it is nothing but speculation based not upon observation but faith. Faith is not wrong, but it is not scientific, and to believe it is is not only disrespecting science but disrespecting the basis of that faith itself is, in most cases, not up for scrutiny.

    Sorry if I’m taking things a bit seriously, but I personally get really peeved when I hear of individuals bashing on rational, scientific reasoning ignorant of the meaning of the terms they use. The only word for such things is quite honestly bullshit.

    If they cannot see what it is the science is, then they must agree to teach the ways of our Noodly Master, lest they feel his saucy wrath (i think they have a creme for that now).

    May your pasta never cool,

  6. Kendrick says:

    It should remain as a theory. Evolutionary Theory is a theory because it can’t be proven. Theories cannot be proven. Hypothesis’ can be proven, but not theories. Once there is a hypothesis, we will see, but for now, there isn’t. On the flip side, all religious doctrines are false by nature (except FSMism of course). Evolutionary Theory should not be considered “fact” (until there is a written hypothesis with parameters) and religion should be kept in church.

    “If religion is scientific enough to be taught in science class, then that must mean that science is spiritual enough to be taught in church.” – 2 Gryphon

  7. MoJo says:

    It is my understanding that evolution IS theory.
    Perhaps my definitions are wrong, but a theory comes from a hypothesis (which ID has never been able to “evolve” from, pun intended) and the hypothesis is put to test, quantified, and recreated – all based on facts (water freezes at 32 F, humans develop from the combination of both parents genetic material, 2 + 2 = 4, etc).
    Hence I do not see what the big deal if the school board wants to state that it is a theory. Or am I missing part of the story here?
    Instead we should make sure that they begin to explain to kids (and adults) exactly what a scientific theory is. Every frustrating argument I have had with a creationist breaks down when they use the term “theory” to describe intuition and/or any loosely put together idea…

  8. Fred Flinstone says:

    Religion is a hoax

    But Evolution still is just a theory, at least from a scientific point of view.

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