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An elaborate spoof on Intelligent Design, The Gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster is neither too elaborate nor too spoofy to succeed in nailing the fallacies of ID. It's even wackier than Jonathan Swift's suggestion that the Irish eat their children as a way to keep them from being a burden, and it may offend just as many people, but Henderson, described elsewhere as a 25-year-old "out-of-work physics major," puts satire to the same serious use that Swift did. Oh, yes, it is very funny. -- Scientific American
Cool - and if you ever record those lyrics, send them along to me. I’d like to hear them!
Jennyanydots,
Thank you for at least giving credence enough to my objections to answer them in an articulate way. However, I would like to say (and it is my fault for not expressing this earlier) that it is not atheism that I object to. Obviously I am worried for the people who do not believe in God and I hold to my belief that Jesus it the one way for heaven, but God allows for free thought and dissent. I except this; it is one’s unalienable right to hold to one’s own beliefs. My objection is people, very much like the makers of this site, that take a sincere belief system (i.e. Islam, Christianity, Judaism) and turn it into a farce. True, there are many Christians, Muslims, Jews, and members of other religions who do not take into account scientific evidence relating to their beliefs. But many of us who do believe in a God or gods do, and it is extremely offensive to see those beliefs (which are oftentimes the product of both thought and personal experience) mocked and ridiculed in such a way as to imply that they are ridiculous. (which, if any reading this site would like to know, there is credible scientific evidence to the existence of God, just as there is evidence against it) I can understand the objection to the teaching of ID in schools. Coming from my standpoint I would feel the same if my children were forced to attend a class teaching evolution. That being said, there are several options. One: don’t take the class. Simple enough, if you think about it. Two: Ask the members of the school board to offer alternative classes showing alternative trains of thought, but do so without the mocking of real faiths. If the school board refuses to do so it would be relatively easy to build a case and take it to court. Three: Open up your own venue for teaching others about your beliefs (once again, however, it would be much more beneficial to do so in a way that isn’t offensive to people of faith). Creating websites like the Church of FSM does not inspire those with beliefs to think. By insulting them, you in fact are achieving the opposite affect in that these people will not take you seriously or give acknowledgement to your thoughts.
As for your belief that religion drags down collective thinking by ignoring evidence I cannot deny that there are certain people who do in fact foul the name of their faith and the people that adhere to it. And yes, there have been fights because of religion. But I will ask you two questions: How many hospitals, governments (including our own; “In God We Trust”), charities, and other organizations dedicated to the improvement of mankind have been founded because of a belief in God? And likewise, how many tyrants and other men of evil have been stopped because a major religion took offense to them(Antiochus Epiphanes of the Hellenistic Seleucid Empire, the Catholic Church of the Middle Ages, etc)?
In short, it is not religion that creates evil acts committed by evil people; it is how people choose to interpret that religion. I end this (admittedly lengthy) post with a verse quoted millions of times in the history of the world; a verse that poignantly summarizes the faith I have. “For God so loved the world that He gaveth His only Son, so that whosoever shall believeth in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.”
The Flying Spaghetti monster IS real. I know this because I have faith in his existence. So-called “real” religions like the above-mentioned Christianity, Judaism and Islam are the true insult. I hope that one day you will see the truth and join the ranks of the awesome.
Touched by His Noodly Appendage,
Syckls
Oh I’d love to show the kiddies this game. But, alas, someone would fry me to one of the black shirted administrators (who generally actually aren’t bad folk). I would be promoting a church after all. Well phooey.
i love this game, and am so glad that i can become a part of the pastsafarain comunity.
@ Aiden
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Apologies that this is going to be quite a short response to your comments, but I probably ought to do some work today. As with you, it is not religion per se that I object to, but the recent rise in religious fundamentalism. That, in itself, has been what has prompted me to become more actively involved in opposing some of the more dangerous aspects. I have a number of strongly religious friends and we are all able to respect each other’s position. As you say, “I except this; it is one’s unalienable right to hold to one’s own beliefs” - as long as they remain one’s own beliefs and have no impact on anyone else who does not share those. Whether that impact arises in attempting to convert, attempting to teach ID as science, or attempting to kill followers of another, or no, religion. Personal faith then becomes a matter of public concern. For many years, religion as an overall concept (i.e. all religions, not just one specifically) have been largely unopposed in their efforts to impact on others - faith has been treated as of benefit in it’s own right, and it has been not the done thing to challenge this. People who did not share a particular belief, or had no belief, have been subject to the same treatment you now complain is being doled out to the faithfull.
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On the teaching of evolultion, the whole point of this is that ID is not science. If you choose to remove your kids from science lessons where evolution is taught then you might as well remove them from all biology classes entirely - without an understanding of that foundation, how can they possibly pass any exam in life sciences. Alternative theories do not belong in science, but could be taught in other subjects. The aim is not so much to mock other faiths but to indicate that every argument that can be made by proponents of ID to suggest it be taught as science, applies equally to FSM. If you see this as mockery, it is perhaps time to reconsider your attachment to ID as science - teach it in church, teach it in philosophy or religion and we wouldn’t be arguing.
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And on your final point, how many of those institutions could not have been founded as easily by someone of no religion? And how many other tyrants, or even the same ones, and regimes have made use of the religions of their subjects to maintain control? Not even particularly despotic regimes either, always. Macchievelli advised rulers that even if they were not themselves particularly religious, it was good politics to lead their subjects to believe that they were faithful, because it prevented anyone wondering why they might have been appointed by god to rule. The Church of England was one of the key ways the social structure of Victorian Britain was maintained - in an idea that had continued through from the medieval period, everyone had been assigned their place by god and shouldn’t question it - the concept probably reached it’s zenith in the Victorian era, but you only have to look at e.g. the Peasants Revolt to see that it had been quite constant.
Love it, love it, love it. But where is the Anti-pasta (devil equivalent) . proselytising on its own can get frustrating without the bad guy showing up to justify our actions.
the Catholic Church of the Middle Ages
Among countless other evils, they instigated the crusades, promoted the inquisition. etc etc
oh yeah. The church was a force for good! die heretic die!
….what?!
Think.
Before.
You.
Speak.
(Or type)
Damnit.
@Aidan Clevinger-
You claim to have scientific proof of god, I was wondering what this proof is?
Also, why should you care about the ‘souls’ of others? This stressed importance just seems like a recruitment exercise, and not very nice one ether.
Now is an answer to your points. This isn’t a protest to teaching ID it’s a protest to teaching ID in a science class when there is no evidence supporting it (evidence provided by the Christian right have been disproved).
It has no place in a science class room at all. When I was a boy we had RE which taught us about the beliefs of all cultures. Including ID here is fine, as it’s not being presented as fact.
As for respect for religion? Well I’ll pick on yours as we are most often assailed by angry Christians, plus it is something you are familiar with.
That book you faith is based on is full of inconsistency’s, contradictions to it self and contradictions to established fact. By claiming it is right not only do you demonstrate a lack of understanding, but that you are wilfully turning you back on the facts. If you would like examples I would be more than happy to oblige.
Now I am going to pre-empt something you may not even say, I do this because I’ve herd it said so many times before that I expect it. It’s the whole “I don’t have to believe everything in the bible to be a Christian” argument and falls on its face every time. If you don’t believe parts of the bible, why believe any of it? And who gets to pick and choose which bits?
Religion is a horrible mockery against humanity that seeks to make all our achievements those of an omnipotent sadist. Wile anything bad we do is our own fault.
I’ll finish with three quotes that sums this up quite well.
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“We must question the story logic of having an all-knowing all-powerful God, who creates faulty Humans, and then blames them for his own mistakes” - Gene Roddenberry
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“With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.” - Steven Weinberg
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“Religion has actually convinced people that there’s an invisible man — living in the sky — who watches everything you do, every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a special list of ten things he does not want you to do. And if you do any of these ten things, he has a special place, full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish, where he will send you to live and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry forever and ever ’til the end of time! ..But He loves you.” - George Carlin
@ Pluto - thanks for this, I was hoping someone else would find this one if I bumped it back to recent comments
@ Aidan:
Why are you so sure that Pastafarianism is a mockery of Christianity or any other religion? What you do not seem to realize is that many people, myself included, sincerely believe in the FSM—therefore, you yourself are lashing out against a “sincere belief system.” Just because Pastafarians are more light-hearted than the devout people of other religions, and because Pastafarianism may seem silly to you, does not mean that it is a joke. If you took the time to read the short piece on the “About” page on this web page, you would see that Bobby Henderson himself states that anything here that comes off as satire is purely coincidental.
Anyways, I’m sure that you are just misguided, so no hard feelings. It would be a very good thing, though, if you reconsidered your morals and found that insulting an entire religion such as ours is not a nice thing to do.
Who beleives in a Spagetti Monster? Spagetti is a man-made food, and the oerson who created made it for a joke (Read the Wikipedia article).
@Yoshimad123
Oh Aye, cos Wikipedia’s always right isn’t it?
@ Aidan Clevinger
There is unfortunately another point that you have apparently failed to take into account - even the Pope has admitted that there is no conflict between Christian belief and evolution. If the head of the Catholic Church (and supposed linear descendent of St Peter) has no problem with evolution, why does it appear to terrify you (and other far less reasonable and literate commentators) so much? Is your faith so much weaker than other Christians? Why should it upset you that your children might be taught evolution in school, in a context where they will also be being taught to weigh the available evidence and decide for themselves? Do you fear that their faith is so weak that they too would be unable to reconcile evolution with your God? Surely if God exists, he would not have deliberately filled the world with evidence of evolutionary processes while simultaneously stating that it is all untrue. (The Flying Spaghetti Monster does that, but that is admitted in FSM’s holy book - the bible, to the best of my recollection, does not contain lots of references to God enjoying practical jokes and lying to the faithful. Why would you, who claim to faithfully follow him, therefore suggest that it is the case?).
Science is the study of observable phenomena, through repeated experiment. It relies on teaching the theories (which are considerably more ‘proven’ than the hypotheses that most anti-science objectors mistake them for) that best fit the available data - evolution is the most accurate theory for the considerable body of data that has been collected and therefore should be taught in science classes. Intelligent Design is a rehash of the Teleological proof for the existence of God (proof, like theory, is a word that many fundamentalists on all sides seem to have problems with) - it is an argument that has been going on for centuries (and pre-dates Euopean colonisation of the Americas). Quite rightly it belongs in philosophy classes and religious education classes.
Teaching Intelligent Design in science classes is not, as you suggest, equivalent to teaching evolution in science classes. It is not even equivalent to teaching evolution in religious education classes, since there is no real conflict between evolution and christianity except among those who have never learned anything about evolution except the propaganda of religious dogmatics. The nearest equivalent would be in forcing Sunday schools to devote an equal amount of time to explicitly athiest belief systems that state wholeheartedly that Christianity is false. I would not consider that acceptable, equally it is unnacceptable to attempt to force religious belief into the secular context of science classes.
Finally, if, as you say, you would remove your children from any class that teaches evolution, then I can only feel sorry for them. Their horizons are being reduced so they cannot learn about the wonder of the universe we live in, but only their parents limited view of the world. Their opportunities for the future are being reduced, without a decent education how can they ever hope for a better future than as street sweepers, casual labourers and McDonalds staff? Surely God and Jesus would want you and your children to have the best opportunities and would want you to view all the glory of his creation. Bad enough that some Christians pick and choose which parts of the bible to believe and which to ignore, that’s just a book, to ignore whole areas of creation is surely the greatest insult to God of all.
I can only say how glad I am not to have had parents who forced me to only learn about one belief system. I was allowed the freedom to learn about what interested me, and I continue to do so as an adult. The universe is a huge and miraculous place; there is nothing in science that proves that God does not exist, it is only religious fundamentalists and scientific dogmatists who create the conflict.
I might point out that wikipedia can be edited by anyone and thus gains a lot of incorrect information. And how do you know that Spaghetti wasn’t made under His influence in the first place, or should I say, in his own image?
But, God is a man-made word! And the prophet who told us about the Spaghetti Monster was very serious about the issue at hand, which was people trying to disguise Intelligent Design as science and teach it as such.
Yes, we believe in Him, and there is very solid scientific evidence that He is real, do you think the invention of pasta by man is incidental? The very spaghetti you brought into the topic is undeniable proof for His existence!
@Aiden
i respect you views on religion, you are welcome to believe what you will, i respect that, i’d just like to point out a few things, A) the founding fathers of America, were not all Christian, many were atheist or agnostic, not just christian, their vision was of a SECULAR nation, humanist movements have similar goals to many religions, they just don’t get incredible amounts of funding, of which only a small portion of this funding actually goes to organizations supporting people, and i have seen evidence that a prominent charity, supposedly helping people in third world countries, has been supporting the indoctrination of children, in first world countries, the indoctrination of children, which is tantamount to child abuse, children should be tought how to think, not what to think, to summarize Richard Dawkins, there are no religious children, only children of religious parents, until about the age 15, children should have no religious views pushed on them, if i walked past a school, and somebody was out the front shouting god is a lie, theists are lairs, or FSM is the creator, i would walk up, and impress on him(or her) (without violence) that they should not push their views on children, ok, sorry,, the whole indoctrination of children is a sensitive matter to me. back to funding, how much money is donated to all the Christian churches in the world? how much of this actually go’s to proper projects, that money could easily be better spent by some form of humanist group, without having to spend any money gratifying any god, or by a Pastafarian organization, in accordance with the sixth I’d really rather you didn’t
“I’d really rather you didn’t build multi million-dollar synagogues/churches/temples/mosques/shrines to my noodly goodness when the money could be better spent (take your pick):
1. Ending poverty
2. Curing diseases
3. Living in peace, loving with passion, and lowering the cost of cable
I might be a complex-carbohydrate omniscient being, but I enjoy the simple things in life. I ought to know. I AM the creator.”
that just show that peace, poverty, and curing diseases, all things that would improve the world, incidentally, falling second on most Christian churches list of priorities, also religion has caused the disruption of peace, the foreign missionaries trying to spread a religion people who A)dont belive it and B) dont want to, have caused so many diseases to spread around the world, killing countless people, take the Spanish conquest of the Aztec’s, the diseases they brought , killed more people than the violence they brought , funny how spreading peaceful Christianity, killing one million people at once…
Pastafarians dont mock the religion per se, only the non scientific methods used to justify them, and blatant attempts to again, indoctrinate children, or pass of their views as science
science: noun, systematized knowledge derived from observation, study, and experimentation carried on in order to determine the nature or principles of what is being studied, views such as intelligent design, aren’t formulated that way, as can be shown in a scientific style, showing that “religious pseudoscience”keeps changing their facts, to support a constant view, very similar to a virus, constantly changing, though still making people sick
“how many tyrants and other men of evil have been stopped because a major religion took offense to them… the Catholic Church of the Middle Ages, etc)?” Umm, that is religion only fixing it’s own pox’s on society, for once.
The whole argument about the whole school board thing, steams not from the whole religion in schools, but passing it of as science, when it’s formulation did not follow the scientific method, the aim of which is to further our knowledge of the world in which we live in, no to perpetuate a belief from 1000’s of years ago, of which many of the major points show no evidence justifiable by a proper peer reviewed scientific process, all, “god proofs” have never been proven by such a systematic, logical, incorruptible process, although, that does not disprove god’s existence, if one chooses to look at it in a probabilities view, it shows that there is only a fractional inconsequential chance that there is a god, which is enough for people such as yourself, and i welcome your well reasoned minimal offense open debate with us, you are free to have you own faith, thank you for showing it to us in an uncharacteristically non aggressive format, which is much more palatable to people who do not share your belief’s, this is how views should be exchanged, and i respect your right to make up your own mind, we purely provide our ideas, admittantly, a few Pastafarians, do preach in a somewhat invasive method, they will be sentenced to a few years of stale beer in the after life, although, they aren’t as invasive as some Christian groups, (sorry, knocking on my door is not going to convert me, showing me justifiable evidence will), i wish you well, and i hope you find fulfillment in you current choice of belief, if you do not, i encourage you to think about finding a way to find contentment
25 Converts!!!
OUTSTANDING!!!!!
This was a fun game granted I only managed to convert 15 at the max…. but I know with his great noodleness I shall be able to convert more!