377 Responses to “FSM War Protest”

1. 61 - January 1st, 2007 at - eddie spaghetti Says:
   
   

   Peter Popoff,
   You are so right. I was being facicious(?sp). I forgot that the best lesson learned from the FSM is that there are a lot of people that will believe anything they are told.
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   World peace will come when automobiles run on spaghetti sauce.

   RAmen

2. 62 - January 1st, 2007 at - Johnny Corvette Says:
   
   

   @Eddie Spaghetti

   Hey I think you need to go back and read some more Chomsky books you forgot to mention that it’s all because of Israel.

3. 63 - January 1st, 2007 at - eddie spaghetti Says:
   
   

   Johnny Corvette,
   I’m glad to see that you have at least heard of Chomsky. That’s more than you can say for most Americans, thanks to the right wing owned operated and controlled media. I wish you had payed closer attention though. He doesn’t think it’s all because of Isreal, only that that is a significant factor. What you might not know is that the brutality that Isreal shows to the Palestinians is rarely broadcast in this country, while any action taken by the Palestinians is given full coverage. There is a very large segment of the Israeli population that activly protests the persecution of the Palestinians. They get no news coverage in the USA. They actually get quite a bit in Isreal. We supprot Israel largely because they are our best foothold in a region that we need to control.
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   The interesting thing about the right wing Christian element of our society is that it survives by giving people a choice. If you don’t like Catholosicm you can be protestant. If you don’t like the first brand that tried, just try another. There’s plenty out there. We can find one that fits you.
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   If you need a reason for us to invade Iraq, we’ve got plenty. I’m sure you can find one that works for you.
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   How about “They have connections to 9/11″
   We all know better now, but don’t worry there’s more:
   They are fanatics over there. This is all they understand.
   Not compassionate enough for you? How about this:
   Those poor nice folks are being tortured by an evil dictator.
   I’m sure they are much happier being tortured by fine Chritian Americans.
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   How about: They have weapons of mass destruction.
   I’ve heard a few explanations for this this. Some say they are all burried in the desert. Some say they were smuggled to Syria. I would think if he had them he would have used them when he was up against the biggest army in the world. What else would he have them for?
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   We found some aluminum tubes. They must be for nuc U lar stuff.
   . Turned out to be bullshit.

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   Did you find one you liked? You should realize that you can’t pick them all because some conflict with others, just like our Christian churches.I’d really like to know which of these works for you.
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   I’m curious. When people say “We have to fight THEM over THERE”, who is “they”? And why is “there” Iraq? Do they really think that ALL muslims want to convert or kill us? That makes it OK to invade any Muslim country regardless of any connection with terrorism. I guess it’s just coincidence that Iraqs oil reserves are estimated to be larger than Saudi Arabia. Afghanistan (remember Afghanistan? That’s where the terrorists were based) has very little oil. We have very few troops there.
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   Do you realize that we have lost more Americans in Iraq than we did in the WTC? Two of them were very close to me. I hope that marines brother’s brother is luckier.
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   I absolutly support our troops. I know that they beleive they are defending our country. May God and the FSM bless them.
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   eddie spaghetti
   Patriotic American

4. 64 - January 1st, 2007 at - Johnny Corvette Says:
   
   

   Gaaaarsh I am convinced. When do I get to make a big paper Mache puppet???

5. 65 - January 2nd, 2007 at - SALMNDR92 Says:
   
   

   To eddie spaghetti

   You sound like a Michael Moore puppet. I don’t know if you have noticed, but the price of oil has skyrocketed after we went to war. If we were going to war for oil, basic business says when supply increases, price decrease. It didn’t work this way, which should show that we did not go to war for oil. I did say that President Bush has lost my support. I still support the war, but I do not back Bush. I would love to see the President go in no holds barred and use every weapon we have to accomplish the goal.

   Have you been to that side of the world? People are not the same all over the world. If you have not been to the Middle East, then you don’t know what things are like and how people are over there. They are not the same peace loving people like you see in the EU and the US.

   I guess you don’t listen even to the mainstream media. Even I heard on the news that the US has turned over all oil to the Iraqi people. The US isn’t going to see one cent from Iraqi oil. Not now, not never. I also suggest that you go out and talk to someone who has been over there and has interacted with the “peasents.” The Iraqi people love thier liberation, and love the lack of fear in which we have given them. You don’t understand the situation that the Iraqis were living. They were afraid to say or do anything in fear of being raped, tortured, killed, or having thier family killed, raped, tortured. Let me ask you something. Did you vote this past November? A higher percentage of Iraqis voted in their last election than did Americans. These are the same Iraqis who knowinly risked their lives to vote. These are the same Iraqis who you say want us out of Iraq and don’t appreciate what we have given them. A higher percent

   How the hell can you compare Osama quote of terror to one of the most partiotic quotes in American history. Osama is a known terrorist who has openly announced that he has attacked American on more than one occasion. Patrick Henery was a great patriot who helped free the American Colonies from the tyranny of the King of England. If you see any simularities between these two beings (one a human, the other a monster) then I’m ashamed to share the title of American with the likes of you. If you see Osama Bin Laden and Patrick Henry as one in the same, then you are an American Traitor, in my book. Patrick Henry never killed to cause terror.

   “. (Aren’t we over there killing people now because we think they might want to kill us?)” No sir, we are over there because they DID kill over 3,000 of us. Keep in mind that we did not do anything against Al-Queda and/or the people of muslim from 1993 (first WTC bombing) to 2001 (last WTC bombing).

   I always wondered why people want to hate our government and constantly accuse it of conspiracies. If you hate the US government so much than move. I would rather love my country and give my country and countrymen the benefit of the doubt over other countries. If the US is so bad and the countries of the Middle East are so good, I will pay for your plane ticket to move there. Let me know and I’ll arrange it through any airline of your choice.

6. 66 - January 2nd, 2007 at - Gnocci Man Says:
   
   

   @ SALMNDR92
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   Bush… I never voted for him, and in 2000 our side won. Of course, thanks to a bit of questionable activity by some extreme right-wingers, that didn’t matter. America doesn’t stand for many ideals, mostly just freedom. I dislike our current government, but I consider it worthwhile to wait and see if there will be a better one before I move to England, Australia, Italy, or some other (much) less energy-crazy country. As to the war for oil, just how do you explain Halliburton? No-bid government contracts and such… seems awfully questionable that Cheney’s old company would get them without our government getting something in return…
   And by the way, you are stereotyping middle-easterners. How would you reply if one of them said something like “You havn’t been over there. trust me they are ALL INSANE and want to kill everyone who doesn’t share their veiws! if we try to bargain with them, they will only make more places like Guantanamo bay!”
   And what do you think the (old) English thought about Patrick Henry? I have no support for Osama or Saddam, but considering the current state over there they will likely become more popular!
   And how can you talk about keeping up with the news after saying the Iraqis love their new government? if they love it so much, why are so many attacking it?
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   And how can you talk about “the same peace-loving people we have here in the EU and the US” after openly wishing for some sort of government-induced jokulhaups directed at the Middle East?
   That is not peace…

7. 67 - January 2nd, 2007 at - Johnny Corvette Says:
   
   

   So you are thinking you might move out of the country because:
   1) your team didn’t win the election in 2000
   2) the US is a “Energy Crazy” country
   3) you think maybe Halliburton is giving the government a kickback

   You’re just going to wait and see how your team does first.

   Well, I hope you find solace driving your moped around your adopted new country looking for work.

8. 68 - January 3rd, 2007 at - SALMNDR92 Says:
   
   

   To Gnocci Man

   I disapprove the whole Haliburton deal. I am by no means a Republican, and because I’m not I can speak from my own opinions instead of a party line. However, I’m not going to leave my country because of it. I still love America, and always will.

   Just because Haliburton was awarded a no bid contract does not mean the war is about oil. It was all over the news when the US captured Saddam that the US will not control any of the Iraqi oil. The US helped keep production going, but safe guarded the money into an account for the new Iraqi Government. As I mentioned eariler, in basic business class, when supply increases, the cost decreases. If we went to war over oil, and we are tapping Iraq of its oil and bringing it here, don’t you think we would be below $2 per gallon? I sure as hell believe it.

   I’m not saying everyone in the Middle-East is fanatical and cannot be reasoned with, just the ones who are creating trouble. The Islamo-Fascists are the ones that cannot be talked to and have a peacefull resolve. What’s wrong with Guantomo Bay? We do need more places like it, and whatever means they use to get information from the prisoners should be obtained.

   Again, there is no similarities between Patrick Henry and Osama Bin Laden. Patrick Henry was a patriot fighting for freedom. Osama is a criminal fighting to create terror in the world, and also fighting his jihad (holy war).

   The mainstream media will never report anything positive from this war. To get the true story on how things are going, you have to talke to someone who has been there. Go out and talke to an army soldier, a Marine, or any other ground component of our military. They will tell you the media is full of b.s. They will tell you how the Iraqi population is very happy for us being there. They will also tell you that all the insurgants are not Iraqis but other nationalities coming to Iraq to kill an American in the name of allah.

   Whenever I meet someone in uniform, I thank them for thier service and I ask if they have been to Iraq or Afghanastan. If they have I talk to them about thier experiences. I do have a cousin in the Marines. He is currently on his third tour in Iraq. He volunteered for this tour. Also while we are talking about our military, lets look at enlistments. No branch of our military is having problems meeting thier quotas. The military is also experiencing a high level of re-enlistments. That right there has to say something about how our troops think about what’s going on over there.

   I do love peace and hope that one day we will have peace and harmony worldwide. However, until that happens, we most remain vigilant and be willing to step up to the plate when called on. My grandparents had a horrific tragety in their life with 07 December 1941, the day that will live in infamy. Now, in our life, we have our own Day of Infamy. That day was 9/11, and we must step up like our grandparents did 60 years ago and fight tyranny, fascism, and hate. What would have happened if Americans wanted to forgive Japan for bombing Pearl harbor, and forgive Hitler for the Houlocast and his quest for world domination? We would be speaking German today. If we love our way of life, we have to take a stand and defend it. If we don’t, we will all be muslim very shortly. I for one will die for my religious beliefs and will kill the Islamo-Fasicist as he tries to get into my house.

9. 69 - January 3rd, 2007 at - eddie spaghetti Says:
   
   

   Salmndr,
   Relax.
   Have some Pasta.
   Drink from the beer vocano.
   Dance with the sacred strippers.
   And if you really want to know what it’s like in a titty bar, ask a guy who just came stumbling out of one.

10. 70 - January 3rd, 2007 at - Coleoptera Says:
    
    

    @SALMNDR92
    “The Iraqi people love thier liberation, and love the lack of fear in which we have given them.”
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    This is absolute bullshit!!! Since the invasion of Iraq by US lead forces the civilian death toll has been enormous (even if you believe Bush’s figure of 30,000). The latest figure produced by the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health is 655,000 extra deaths in Iraq since 2003 with 601,000 attributable to violence. They estimate that 31% of violent deaths or 186,000 can be directly attributed to coalition military action. This study was published in the Lancet a highly reputable medical journal. It was peer-reviewed by 4 independent experts, which is double the normal number of reviewers, and accepted with few revisions. No other estimate of the death toll in Iraq has been subjected to such scrutiny. Here is the reference if you want to read it yourself:
    Title: Mortality after the 2003 invasion of Iraq: a cross-sectional cluster sample survey
    Author(s): Burnham G, Lafta R, Doocy S, Roberts L
    Source: LANCET 368 (9545): 1421-1428 OCT 21 2006
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    The number of dead American soldiers is 3,004, which is higher than the death toll of September 11. There are also over 46,000 injured. All those people dead for a war that was based on a lie.
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    “To get the true story on how things are going, you have to talke to someone who has been there. Go out and talke to an army soldier, a Marine, or any other ground component of our military.”
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    Here is what one soldier wrote in a letter to his parents reproduced in the NY Times:
    “No one understands why we are here and what our mission is. This war is lost. We aren’t helping these people. We are just dying and getting injured.”
    Sgt. Ryan Kahlor.
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    You are full of warmongering, overly nationalistic crap as the last paragraph of your previous post attests. You need to think far more critically about what the goals of coalition’s invasion of Iraq were, whether they achieved them, and were the results worth the number of dead and injured. At the moment it is clear that you really have no idea.

11. 71 - January 3rd, 2007 at - Wench Nikky Says:
    
    

    @SALMNDR92
    As a spectator from another county who follows along, I don’t intend to say this politely.
    No one is interested in reading your mental wanking here.
    Please relieve yourself somewhere else! I feel unclean just having read half of it.

12. 72 - January 3rd, 2007 at - Johnny Corvette Says:
    
    

    Yeah - same for Eddie spaghetti. This is no place for long stupid posts of regurgitated Chomsky drivel. We are easily bored and perhaps a little dim.

    So let’s stick to the topic at hand. Worship of the noodly great one and funny comments about Christian nutters. Oh and maybe a smattering of Theist vs. Non- theist philosophy and discussion. But please keep it short and sweet.

    And remember kids - it doesn’t matter how many people are killed, maimed or murdered as long as the US isn’t involved in some way.

13. 73 - January 4th, 2007 at - SALMNDR92 Says:
    
    

    To Coleoptera

    I seriously doubt that the US is guilty of the mass murder that Saddam has been guilty of. Saddam was also guilty of genocide. There’s something you won’t here from the liberal mainstream media. When someone tries to eliminate a race like Hitler did in WWII and Saddam did with his fellow countrymen of a different religous persuation. Along with the 3,000 American deaths in Iraq, how many brainwashed terrorist did we kill? That’s something else I never heard the liberal media mention. How would have WWII turned out if liberals started crying with our first 3,000 deaths? We would have pulled up tents and left in the middle of our first island campaign.

    Yes, of course you will find military personel who are against the war. These are also the same people who sign up for the military to receive benefits such as college tuition, etc. I never said every member of our military would say the same thing, but most do. How else would you explain the high re-enlistment rate? The enlistment rate is high enough to keep a war going for almost 4 years without bringing back the draft. All branches of the military are meeting enlistment quotas.

14. 74 - January 4th, 2007 at - SALMNDR92 Says:
    
    

    To Wench Nikky

    As long as people will post anti war statements here, I have the right to post my views.

15. 75 - January 4th, 2007 at - Alchemist Says:
    
    

    SALMNDR92 - “Along with the 3,000 American deaths in Iraq, how many brainwashed terrorist did we kill?”
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    No doubt some of the 12 000 Iraqi civilians killed in 2006 were terrorists. The families of the 1 930 civilians who died last month are probably singing our praises as we speak.
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    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/6224047.stm
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    Is the 92 bit of your name your date of birth by any chance?

16. 76 - January 4th, 2007 at - Gnocci Man Says:
    
    

    @SALMNDR92
    So how many modern wars besides WWI and WWII actually solved more problems than they caused? with people like Saddam, Hitler, Stalin, etc. removal is necesary… but shouldn’t there at least be an attempt at a planned, peaceful way? Our government rushed in with almost no plan, and played quite a few dirty tricks. Now look at the situation as it is, not as you wish to think it is.
    Why havn’t we tried to stop the genocide in Darfur, Sudan? America is pretty much in our war for revenge. If it was merely Saddam, why did we wait so long to attack? Peace is ALWAYS an option.
    And please stop bashing liberals. I am a democrat (obvious by now, I suppose) who has been watching this trend grow for years now, and I can tell you that it REALLY frightens me.

17. 77 - January 4th, 2007 at - Alchemist Says:
    
    

    Oh, and whilst I’m on the subject. You sounded pretty stoked about old Saddam doing the hemp fandango in an earlier post.
    Does that still stand. Was vengeance, for that’s all it was, worth the deaths of 13 people in a car bombing today. Was the killing of a monster (I have no illusions about Hussein) worth the deaths of innocents?

18. 78 - January 4th, 2007 at - Oarless Marc Says:
    
    

    @SALMNDR92, first of all, thank you for your service to your country. I am thankful everyday for young men and women like you who give their hearts and souls to defend us. I do not agree with pretty much anything you have said, except for the fact that there are some Iraqis who are also grateful for your service. Even though I do not agree with you on much, I think that you have every right to express yourself.

19. 79 - January 4th, 2007 at - Johnny Corvette Says:
    
    

    @Gnocci man
    Oh yes the good wars WWI and WWII. When will they bring those good old days back. You may recall that WWII was not about genocide until after allied forces were deep inside Germany discovering gas chambers. Better late then never.

    And in Iraq we rushed in completely fooling all the American people and all senators and congressmen but also why did we wait so long? Which is it?

    And Darfur – yes why doesn’t the US do something? Maybe we should call someone at the UN? Oh wait Sudan has already rejected one UN Resolution and the US is pushing the reluctant UN to do something. Maybe another resolution!! I guess we will need to go through 12 years of UN ceasefires, resolutions and sanctions before anything gets done. Wait - that was for a country whose leader said he had nuclear, chemical and biological weapons and that he wished he waited another year or so to have fully developed nuclear weapon before invading Kuwait. So maybe we will need 20 years of UN diplomacy first.

    But remember – it’s all because of Israel:

    http://www.sudantribune.com/spip.php?article17772

20. 80 - January 4th, 2007 at - Peter Popoff Says:
    
    

    I will stay out of this one. I have argued it to death elsewhere, you can’t change peoples minds on this mornic war in iraq.
    It was stupid from the start, as it remains stupid. Saddam wasn’t a threat to America in the beginning, anymore then he is today.
    The fact that we have made this country more unsafe, since starting this irag war, falls on deaf ears.
    I have my theories on why we are there. I’ll keep them to myself, because this isn’t the topic that I come to the FSM for. But a healthy debate is a healthy debate. So have at it.
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    I will add though, that I too, thank anybody and everybody in the service.
    Like Lieutenant Dan from Forrest Gump. A member of my family has fought and died in every war since the American Revolution, it is ingrained in me to honor all who fight for my country.