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An elaborate spoof on Intelligent Design, The Gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster is neither too elaborate nor too spoofy to succeed in nailing the fallacies of ID. It's even wackier than Jonathan Swift's suggestion that the Irish eat their children as a way to keep them from being a burden, and it may offend just as many people, but Henderson, described elsewhere as a 25-year-old "out-of-work physics major," puts satire to the same serious use that Swift did. Oh, yes, it is very funny. -- Scientific American
Matthew, you jump to a conclusion too soon. We cannot know if Adam is right or P.E.T. is right, we can only assess how likely each of their assertions are and whether their reasoning is sound. So far, Adam has presented poorly conducted reasoning (not his own, clearly: this does not strengthen his case), while P.E.T. has presented better reasoning.
As for God being beyond words, nothing is beyond words that we can conceive of, by definition. If we can conceive of it, we can assign it words, and use existing ones to describe the meaning of that word. Those words will in turn be constructed of other meanings, or will terminate in something that may be observed, such as an experience of some kind, like an emotion, expectation, bodily sensation or state of mind, sound, object or attribute of an object, a geometric property, a property of light and so on. These are the things our brains evolved to cope with, as they have been important aspects of our environment over evolutionary time. Some of these things may be reduced further by newer types of thought that go beyond our natural experiences (the kind I just described), using language in the opposite direction and taking highly generic, that is abstract, notions and constructing from those new concepts from which an explanation of those basic elements of our experience can be understood
Those new understandings are rarely intuitive, and often require a particular natural configuration of the elements of the brain(1) which is quite rare in order to be conceived of easily. Most people can grasp these new understandings of the world with effort. Sadly, most people don’t have the time to do so, working three jobs in the miracle that is the US economy or in one of the sweatshop or subsistence economies as they do. Others, including yourself I suspect, do not have the inclination, as they perceive that they have too much to lose. You should realize, by the way, that understanding evolution (it is a fact, not a theory in the common sense, just as the theory of quantum electrodynamics or the theory of relativity are facts, and not theories in the common sense) does not require a loss of faith unless that faith is poorly founded. Such a poor foundation comes from a “faith” of surrender to earthly authority– the very thing Christ himself challenged.
(1) which is the cause of the common personality types, I suspect
Religious people were the ones who wanted to kill Jesus.
Jesus didn’t come to earth to start a religion, he wanted to restore a relationship, between God and Humanity.”
A Chief of a large tribe, got word that there was a conspirator in the clan, who wanted to overthrow him. The cheif then proclaimed that who ever the traitor turned out to be, would be tied to a tree, a whipped with a cat o 9 tails, 100 times. The cheif was bewildered to find out that the conspirator was his own brother. He stayed true to his word, and tied his brother to the tree. But his Love was so Great, that the Cheif ordered himself to be tied beside him, receiveing the lashes that were meant for his brother.
That’s God’s Love humanity.
When it comes to technicalities and such, we can argue for days. But the Heart knows what is true.
Let me ask you a question, what do you have against Jesus? Notice, I said Jesus, nothing about religion, church,logic, and such. What’s your issue with Jesus?
@Geltown
Jesus: nothing.
What people have turned Jesus into; Lots.
Fortunately for Jesus, he isn’t around to see what people do in his name, and fortunately for the pastafarians, people now make absurd claims about him stolen from other earlier religions.