508 Responses to “FSM vs God”

1. 481 - June 26th, 2008 at - me Says:
   
   

   Matthew, you jump to a conclusion too soon. We cannot know if Adam is right or P.E.T. is right, we can only assess how likely each of their assertions are and whether their reasoning is sound. So far, Adam has presented poorly conducted reasoning (not his own, clearly: this does not strengthen his case), while P.E.T. has presented better reasoning.

   As for God being beyond words, nothing is beyond words that we can conceive of, by definition. If we can conceive of it, we can assign it words, and use existing ones to describe the meaning of that word. Those words will in turn be constructed of other meanings, or will terminate in something that may be observed, such as an experience of some kind, like an emotion, expectation, bodily sensation or state of mind, sound, object or attribute of an object, a geometric property, a property of light and so on. These are the things our brains evolved to cope with, as they have been important aspects of our environment over evolutionary time. Some of these things may be reduced further by newer types of thought that go beyond our natural experiences (the kind I just described), using language in the opposite direction and taking highly generic, that is abstract, notions and constructing from those new concepts from which an explanation of those basic elements of our experience can be understood

   Those new understandings are rarely intuitive, and often require a particular natural configuration of the elements of the brain(1) which is quite rare in order to be conceived of easily. Most people can grasp these new understandings of the world with effort. Sadly, most people don’t have the time to do so, working three jobs in the miracle that is the US economy or in one of the sweatshop or subsistence economies as they do. Others, including yourself I suspect, do not have the inclination, as they perceive that they have too much to lose. You should realize, by the way, that understanding evolution (it is a fact, not a theory in the common sense, just as the theory of quantum electrodynamics or the theory of relativity are facts, and not theories in the common sense) does not require a loss of faith unless that faith is poorly founded. Such a poor foundation comes from a “faith” of surrender to earthly authority– the very thing Christ himself challenged.

   (1) which is the cause of the common personality types, I suspect

2. 482 - June 30th, 2008 at - Geltown Says:
   
   

   Religious people were the ones who wanted to kill Jesus.

   Jesus didn’t come to earth to start a religion, he wanted to restore a relationship, between God and Humanity.”

   A Chief of a large tribe, got word that there was a conspirator in the clan, who wanted to overthrow him. The cheif then proclaimed that who ever the traitor turned out to be, would be tied to a tree, a whipped with a cat o 9 tails, 100 times. The cheif was bewildered to find out that the conspirator was his own brother. He stayed true to his word, and tied his brother to the tree. But his Love was so Great, that the Cheif ordered himself to be tied beside him, receiveing the lashes that were meant for his brother.

   That’s God’s Love humanity.

   When it comes to technicalities and such, we can argue for days. But the Heart knows what is true.

   Let me ask you a question, what do you have against Jesus? Notice, I said Jesus, nothing about religion, church,logic, and such. What’s your issue with Jesus?

3. 483 - June 30th, 2008 at - Cey Says:
   
   

   @Geltown
   Jesus: nothing.
   What people have turned Jesus into; Lots.
   Fortunately for Jesus, he isn’t around to see what people do in his name, and fortunately for the pastafarians, people now make absurd claims about him stolen from other earlier religions.

4. 484 - July 13th, 2008 at - iKNOWwhereIMAgonnaGOwhentheBEERvolcanoBLOWS Says:
   
   

   @adam
   That’s a cute story a page or so back. Nice try with the “i think it was einstein” bit. Was that the only scientist you could think of? It has many silly little problems (cold is the opposite of hot, not heat etc.), but the biggest is that it is just as easy to say the evil is the opposite of the FSM.
   @ Purushadasa
   To twist your counterfeit example I think about sunglasses. Would you rather pay $100+ for the “ALPHA AND OMEGA, ONE TRUE” pair of brand name sunglasses (god), or the knockoff pair that look exactly the same and cost $5, leaving you $95 left over to spend on beer and strippers (Pastafarians can live Heaven on Earth!). Personally I would go for the cheap ones because I think the god brand sucks. But hey if it works for you then rock on.
   @Geltown
   What do I have against Jesus? The same thing I have against the tooth fairy. Nothing. He’s not real. Sure there may have been someone named Jesus (it’s pronounced HAY-ZEUS), but son of god, died for my sins, I think not. Let me ask you this. If some guy, maybe even me in full pirate regalia, walked up to you and said, “Hi, I’m Jesus Christ, I’m back to save the world and I need you to help. First you have to do {insert horrible thing here}”. Would you do as this man said? Or would you ask for proof that he is Jesus?

5. 485 - August 17th, 2008 at - Robin Says:
   
   

   For the Elect that he will save will need no proof. The ones who neeed Proof will get it without asking….

6. 486 - August 21st, 2008 at - Alan Gilmour Says:
   
   

   I like spagetti.

7. 487 - August 21st, 2008 at - DW Says:
   
   

   I left my wallet at home.

8. 488 - August 22nd, 2008 at - Saint? Says:
   
   

   Listen, i just started at a catholic high school, and I’m afraid of coming out as a Pastafarian and being persecuted. What do you suggest I do?

9. 489 - August 22nd, 2008 at - Ghandhi Says:
   
   

   Wow. Hoope that thing doesn’t kick my ass.

10. 490 - August 24th, 2008 at - Vincent Says:
    
    

    pure ownage

11. 491 - August 24th, 2008 at - Darwin'sMonkey Says:
    
    

    My problem with Jesus??? I actually don’t have a problem with him or the countless other fictional characters that have been written about in history.

12. 492 - August 25th, 2008 at - corwin Says:
    
    

    i win and so god is defeated once again by the principle of the babel fish
    and seeing as i am a pastafarian thus wins my deity so ill see you at the beer volcano

13. 493 - September 1st, 2008 at - ??? Says:
    
    

    Finish him FSM

14. 494 - September 11th, 2008 at - whole wheat pasta Says:
    
    

    I just heard of this ground breaking religion. I feel like a born again pastafarian. I love it. I LOVE IT. the flying spaghetti monster owns my soul.

15. 495 - September 16th, 2008 at - GLM Says:
    
    

    No matter how hard Satan tries and no matter how hard people try God cannot be defeated. I don’t know the Bible inside and out yet, but I still believe it’s true. One day soon Jesus is coming back, it’s pretty exciting! I don’t understand how anyone who has read the Bible and prayed to God and actually listened for His answers could not believe. I wish that everyone would come know Jesus and experience His wonderful love and salvation and grace. He’s been so wonderful to me even though I am the least deserving of His love.

16. 496 - September 17th, 2008 at - TheFewTheProudTheMarinara Says:
    
    

    To Saint?:

    I’d suggest you lay low for awhile. Treat your religion class as if you’re at Hogwart’s, learning sorcery. Play the game and bide your time.

17. 497 - September 17th, 2008 at - Ubi Dubium Says:
    
    

    GLM said
    I don’t know the Bible inside and out yet, but I still believe it’s true…I don’t understand how anyone who has read the Bible and prayed to God and actually listened for His answers could not believe.

    Well, I read it cover to cover. Twice. I understood it, and that’s why I don’t believe it. It’s a hodgepodge of Bronze-Age mythology, tribal kings and prophets trying to put a holy spin on their tribal warfare and atrocities, and Roman-era mysticism. When I prayed to god there were never any answers. Never. It wasn’t hard to figure out why - there’s nobody there.

    Now I eat pasta every holy Friday, and tell my kids they should figure out life for themselves instead of trusting in some ancient book for all their answers. Yarrrghh and RAmen!

18. 498 - September 17th, 2008 at - Redbeard Says:
    
    

    @GLM

    I don’t know, but it seems like God’s been getting an a**-whupping ever since the Renaissance - and it’s not Satan, just us puny little humans. Now if he’d only come out from under his invisibility cloak and give us humans some proof of his “Earth is Flat” theory, or “Earth is at the Center of the Universe” theory or his “Sure I created everything and then Hid My Tracks” theory, maybe you might be able to claim a win. but I don’t see how you pull a “win” out of anything so far.

19. 499 - September 17th, 2008 at - Sir Jebbington (Ryan Karpisz) Says:
    
    

    Ah, that’s why the first comments are so weird. It was two years ago, in principio.

    #495:
    We prayed, we didn’t hear, we left.
    The Bible is a field manual for barbarism, misogyny, infanticide, and genocide. And foreskins. Lots of those. I don’t understand how anyone who has read the Bible *could* believe.

20. 500 - September 17th, 2008 at - Advantageous Mongoose Says:
    
    

    “He’s been so wonderful to me even though I am the least deserving of His love.”

    Isn’t that just typical of your god? Randomly rewarding the undeserving and then giving cancer to children or something equally unpleasant to the innocent, Choosing one group of people as ‘his’ and then persecuting another, putting a trap to lure the unwary in the garden of eden and then punishing them when they fall for it, sends his son to earth to tell us he loves us and has him brutally murdered. You may find this ‘exciting’, I think its just plain nuts.

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