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An elaborate spoof on Intelligent Design, The Gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster is neither too elaborate nor too spoofy to succeed in nailing the fallacies of ID. It's even wackier than Jonathan Swift's suggestion that the Irish eat their children as a way to keep them from being a burden, and it may offend just as many people, but Henderson, described elsewhere as a 25-year-old "out-of-work physics major," puts satire to the same serious use that Swift did. Oh, yes, it is very funny. -- Scientific American
@Repmuht
“There’s plenty of evidence to support the non existance of god (not the least of which is god’s reluctance to reveal himself in any tangible way - given god is all powerful, immortal and presumably quite fearless).”
I guess God just don`t want to reveal himself to every person who wish not to believe in him until they`ve seen him. It sounds like great evidence for his non` existance.
coooooool!!!
@Religious monster- If you have something to say, say it here. I’ve chassed you round in circles and you have yet to counter argue me. Why do you suddenly whish to carry on this “debate” (though I fail to see any real debating on your part) in private? Sorry but if you want to get all creepy uncle with me then find someone else. If you have a point you would like to make now would be the time to make it.
Come on monster wow me with your piece of evidence that you are right about god.
I’m assuming you have one. You know, other than your “personal relationship” which you have yet to clarify by the way.
I’ll be waiting, as always, for a religious person to give me something that might actually prove a bit of a challenge to debate.
Remember Monster- the burden of proof is on you. Please amaze me.
I am really upset to see how disrespectful some people are to the FSM religion. Other religions deserve and in some cases demand respect, so why not the FSM? If for example people suggested that the usual papal vestments were a bit weird or old fashioned they would get a pretty hard time I bet. Time to lay off the image and principles of the FSM and accept its adherents as full and fruitful members of our society.
LAWL…. LAME…
Nice meatballs
Crulix: “faith” is the name of the hole that remains in a man’s brain when Reason, his only means of acquiring knowledge, has been turned off.
Do you all believe in heaven, angels, hell, and demons?
Why do you have a picture of someone about to stab God? why God and not Budha or Ra and gods like that? just curious.
Do you all believe in heaven, angles, hell, and demons?
Why do you have a picture of someone about to stab God and not Budha, or Ra, or whoever? just curious.
No, no, no and no.
And because Xian’s are the main source of confrontation and blasphemy toward his Noodlyness. And they are more obnoxious, (And the only people who want to pass off ID as science) whereas Buddha and Ra are well, pretty bad ass. And their followers arent complete twats either. (Although.. I don’t think I’ve met a modern worshipper of Ra)
Buddhism. My next step in life? Maybe.
Gonna be president too though… How awesome would a FSM worshippin’ prez be?
@COG
“Do you all believe in heaven, angles, hell, and demons?
Why do you have a picture of someone about to stab God and not Budha, or Ra, or whoever? just curious.”
Oh, definitely heaven, with beer and strippers (and I sincerely hope, chocolate). We also believe in “angles”, both obtuse and acute. As for hell and demons, no, you can keep those. There is nothing in the Gospel of the FSM saying that the noodly one sees any need to threaten anyone with eternal punishment for not believing.
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I notice you are assuming that “god” in these pictures is necessarily the christian god. How do you know that isn’t “Ra”? (Buddha would not be fighting at all, so I think you are right about it not being Buddha). Maybe it’s “Thor”, with his hammer upside down. Or “John Frum” of the cargo cult of Vanuatu. I don’t know what kind of religious symbol they use. This seems like a pretty generic “god” figure to me - could be anybody.
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RAmen
Correction, Mr. Banner. Faith is a great strength that the feeble-minded sadly cannot comprehend. They believe they can get around all by themselves, though they never truly succeed. Too bad they are too foolish to look beyond themselves.
Could you all be making fun of God because there is a small area in your hearts that is afraid of such a deity? Food for thought, that.
Your spaghetti monster is nothing. I eat his ancestors for dinner(and they are quite good). Unlike in your reenactment, I seriously doubt God is a weak little fool. He could smite you on a whim, but he is gracious and would forgive you instead.
And if you are wondering why this so-called “FSM” is put down, maybe, just maybe, it is because you act in the selfsame manner toward others, especially Christianity. Do on to others as you would have them do to you.
@ Xos ” I east his ancestors for dinner” - that must be some pretty stale pasta.
@Xos Jan 8th, 2008 at 10:35 am
“Faith is a great strength that the feeble-minded sadly cannot comprehend.”
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Well there you go….we all have great faith in the Noodly One :)
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“Could you all be making fun of God because there is a small area in your hearts that is afraid of such a deity?”
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I think we would all be on our knees chanting in church if that were the case wouldn’t it?
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“I eat his ancestors for dinner(and they are quite good.”
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Excellent! You are partaking of sacrament. :) Keep right on and you may sometime be touched by His Noodly appendage.
I will mention you in my prayers to His Spaghettiness.
RAmen
@Xos
Oh I’m going to have some fun with you.
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“Faith is a great strength that the feeble-minded sadly cannot comprehend.”
Soooo, why are most non-believers in the upper end of the IQ range? Biologists, doctors, geologists, palaeontologists, physicists and astronomers all refute what is written in the bible.
In comparison, most of our hate mail comes from illiterate rednecks? Yes I can see why we are feeble minded. We can’t see the logic of having sex with our sisters or pipe bombing an abortion clinic. Or giving our hard earned cash to an evangelist, who lives in a big house wile secretly smoking meth and having sex with a rent boy.
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“They believe they can get around all by themselves, though they never truly succeed.”
Anyone you’d like to site in particular?
I find it quite sad that you feel that you are unable to achieve anything on your own. I’ll assume that anything you have achieved in your life is down to god as you are to “feeble-minded” to achieve anything your self.
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“Too bad they are too foolish to look beyond themselves.”
I look beyond myself all the time. Know what I see? Science in all it’s glory. I also see pathetic people of faith who can’t even click on the about tab at the top of a web page.
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“Could you all be making fun of God because there is a small area in your hearts that is afraid of such a deity?”
No, not at all. We don’t make fun of your god, because we don’t believe it exists. We make fun of people like you who believe in fairies at the bottom of their garden and who try to live to an almost impossible stranded set in a self contradicting book. I suggest you read some of the posts. Pick a few points if you like and try to argue against them. Of course that would require using your brain a little, and that might mean having to see the flaws in your own narrow world view.
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“Food for thought, that.”
Not even a snack I’m afraid.
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“Your spaghetti monster is nothing. I eat his ancestors for dinner(and they are quite good).”
So you didn’t click on the about tab did you? You seem to have missed the whole point with your “feeble mind”. As nothing as the FSM maybe, it still has infinitely more substance than your god or even you attempts at an argument.
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“Unlike in your reenactment, I seriously doubt God is a weak little fool.”
No too right, your god is and insubstantial fantasy.
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“He could smite you on a whim, but he is gracious and would forgive you instead.”
Not what is says in the bible! Your god is all hell fire and brimstone, wrathful and angry, he smites left right and centre without regard for the individual. He incites rape, murder, genocide, incest and torture.
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“And if you are wondering why this so-called “FSM” is put down, maybe, just maybe, it is because you act in the selfsame manner toward others, especially Christianity.”
That’s one of the points. Religion in general and yours in particular, has a long history of persecuting those of different beliefs. And just to make a point, they come here looking for a fight then get pissy when we beat them down like the curs they are.
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“Do on to others as you would have them do to you.”
And one day there will be no religion to spread hate and evil in the world, and then your statement might hold true.
I don’t understand why you all hate God.
Why don’t you believe He exists?
@COG- Maybe you should try reading the posts? Just an idea. If you look back several pages you’ll find plenty of reasons.
I can I note once again: Wile it is impossible to ether prove or disprove A god, it’s very easy to disprove the god of any religion in the world.
I admire you, Pluto! Your Flying Spaghetty Monster must be a very powerful god to give you the energy to answer all that Christian crap again and again. I feel I’m on the verge of being converted!
Arguing for the existence of God, is the same as arguing about the existence of air. One cannot see it, but they have to experience it for themselves.
It would be foolish for me to say, that there is no such thing as air. Because I would have to utilize the very qualities to breathe, and depend on the air to be heard. The air is the path that sound travels through. If my argument is heard, it wouldn’t make sense.
The Laws of Logic, are the reflection of How God Thinks. Without God there wouldn’t be any laws of Logic, gravity,centripetal force, etc. Logic is not made by man’s convention. Logic is always constant, as God is always the same. According to man’s rational,In America it’s “logical” to drive on the right side of the road, but in other coutries it’s “lawful” to drive on the left. Who decides morals and ethics, Who says it’s wrong to kill, steal, and to lie. God says that. Men cannot make their own rules, because everyone would do what they feel is right. But there is ONE STANDARD OF LIVING, and that’s God’s.
Design? I know Louis Vuitton existd, because of his fashion design. I know Vera Wang existed because of her Merchadise. I know God of exists, because of the Universe. Latin universe(- uni- “single” verse-”spoken sentence”) We live in a Universe/ Single Spoken Sentence. We live in God’s word. “LET THERE BE!
THe Lack in Belief, doesn’t negate the existence. I can’t believe Bush is still President, but he is for now.
We are not products of Randomness. If we were, how do we know, if our brain functions are in the proper sequence, n how do you determine what is “proper”. And how do you know, if you know! What is true, n how to discern it.
Amen! God is Good
Hey Geltown,
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Thanks for the post…Where to start! Well, let’s start at the beginning.
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1. God and air: Air is a combination of, mainly, nitrogen and oxygen. You know how I know that? Because of thousands of years of scientific investigation…that includes testable hypothetical questions, their experiments, and the answers to them (both positive and negative). The point is, Geltown, we have derived the periodic table of elements through vigorous testing, quantum mathematics, particle acceleration, and good old electron microscope work. We know what air is because it IS NOT INVISIBLE. It has properties of matter because IT EXISTS. Now let’s go to god. Can you give me a similar argument for his existance (i.e. a testable hypothesis, an argument that he is matter therefore he is detectable, etc.). If not, then god and air have nothing more in common.
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2. “The laws of logic, are the reflection of how god thinks”: so let’s start with this: there are NO laws of logic. Gravity and centripetal force are laws of physics…the basic building blocks of the working universe, but surely, no “laws of logic.” Logic, as you suggest and then default on, are products of human innovation. Just as it’s “logical” in your mind to eat bread every Sunday and call it, quite literally, “the body of Christ,” it is logical for me to laugh at you. Cultural upbringing decides “logic.” Science is included in this statement. Yes, I said it! However, I am speaking not of the FACTS that have been determined by tests, but more the paradigms from which scientists operate. It wouldn’t have been logical to test the forces of gravity before Newton proved it existed and so certain assumption were made for arguments prior to its discovery. Of course, once the scientific paradigm shifted to include gravitational principles (and calculus among other things), new factual evidence arose but within a new set of assumptions. We still operate with untold numbers of assumptions, but experiment continuously reshapes the paradigm from which we work.
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3. Design: The big one. Vera Wang would be very upset…you know she’s still alive? People always like to see “order” in the universe when in actuality, there is mass chaos and randomness all over. It is simply because we operate within a paradigm that expects order from gravity and other processes and that fails to see massive change over billions of years because we live for a mere century. Now Geltown, I’ve written to many people like you explaining the whole mutation leads to changes over time/speciation events/genetic evidence and timelines/the random nature of the universe. Go back and find these posts because it’s getting to be a waste of my time. There are massive genetic diseases that ruin people’s lives; there are millions of “design” flaws within each and every one of us; evolution does not lead to more complicated things, it simply leads to individuals who are fit given a very specific environment, if that environment changes, that individual dies and that may cause the extinction of an entire species. The universe is random and there is evidence everywhere you look.
If you would like more information, come back at me with some more specific questions and I will be happy to provide clear answers for them.
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4. “Truth”: The concept of “truth” is for philosophers and by getting into this circular system of logic we will end up with Descartes saying, “I think therefore I am.” For all I know, under this system, I may in a “Matrix”-style holding cell and all of this is my imagination. I don’t like these kinds of arguments because they are the stuff of religion: hypothetical statements that cannot be tested and must be believed through a system of faith; this makes them utter moot points to argue about.
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RAmen,
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P.E.T.