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An elaborate spoof on Intelligent Design, The Gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster is neither too elaborate nor too spoofy to succeed in nailing the fallacies of ID. It's even wackier than Jonathan Swift's suggestion that the Irish eat their children as a way to keep them from being a burden, and it may offend just as many people, but Henderson, described elsewhere as a 25-year-old "out-of-work physics major," puts satire to the same serious use that Swift did. Oh, yes, it is very funny. -- Scientific American
Nick,
The Flying Spaghetti Monster exists, he’s shown me in ways that someone of little faith such as yourself couldn’t possibly understand. All your god has done is throw the world in violence and misunderstanding, our FSM would never do that…FSM simply created the world as we know it, with all of its delectable pastas and sauces, and, if you really want him to, FSM will touch you with his vast noodly appendage and enlighten you, too!
And pirates, Nick, there are still pirates around, only their numbers are dwindling. FSM doesn’t like this since pirates are his one way of speaking to the world. If you read more about FSM you’ll see our scientific facts relating this drop in pirate population to the increase in global temperature over time.
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And one more thing Nick…REMEMBER: This Is Satire. Why is Christianity or any other religion more qualified to be taught in public schools than our belief that the universe was created by a Flying Spaghetti Monster with pirates as missionaries?
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RAmen,
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P.E.T.
@Nick. The entire point is that FSM has exactly as much evidence for his existenece as an invisible space daddy who wants to party with your ghost. The only reason you believe in the space daddy/dead guy on a stick religion rather than this one is because someone planted the programming to believe in it before your critical faculties formed. If we would stop teaching children this stuff, wait for their minds to form, and then offer it to them when they were adults, wanna guess how many believing Xains, Jews, Muslims there would be? Answer, many, many fewer. That’s why fundamentalists are fighting so hard to get prayer, the ten commandments, religious instruction in public schools and limit everyone’s access to scientific theories about evolution, cosmology and everything else. They know they need to recruit before their recruits can think for themselves. They know they need to block rational thought , by threatening its practitioners with hellfire and damnation. (And, as I am learning, in many southern US locations with social oscracism, business boycotts, and curtailed civil liberties.)
It is interesting you ask for something more believable when our entire culture has been steeped in some of the most far-fetched, unbelievable bullshit from these other religions for centuries.
1. No shit there are no more pirates. Thus the horrible things occurring right now!! The lack of pirate population is so OBVIOUSLY responsible for all kinds of the current downfalls being thrown onto the population. Search piracy and global warming. The statistics are incredible.
2. I do not need to “prove” anything to you. You cannot prove anything of your faith to me, so why should we prove it to you? FSMism is for believers, and should you choose not to believe, then so be it.
Nick, we are accepting of your faith. Please be accepting of ours.
May you be touched by His Noodly Appendage.
RAmen.
(Also, dear, I don’t believe calling people “idiots” and “freakin retards” is the correct way to spark scholarly debate. Being mean doesn’t get you most places. So, I guess, now you know.)
I’ve been lurkingaround here for a while, so might as well start by debunking some fundies.
“LOL so umm about this spaghetti monster, you’ve “tried” to prove to me that God doesnt exist.”
>> He *does* exist, he’s the (Flying) Spaghetti Monster that you just mentioned. Seriously, get it right.
“But can you prove that this ridiculous monster made of spaghetti of all things, An italian delicacy, could possibly be a creator.”
>> Can *you* prove he’s an old man with a beard in the sky? Besides, spaghetti’s a lot tastier than old men.
“And pirates? Have you guys even read your history? Pirates are no more. You dont hear of them.”
>> Not entirely true, but anyway, we know that they’re not as abundant as they used to be. That why the Earth’s temperature has increased so much over the past few centuries; haven’t you seen the graph?
“Freakin retards.”
>> I daresay there may have been *some* mentally retarded pirates, but most had a very high intelligence, hence why they were so successful. And you’re telling *us* to read our history?
“What, do you guys have nothing to say to me?”
>>We do, we just can’t be on here all the time, so you have to wait a while. Most of us have lives, unlike you it seems.
“cmon, of all things a SPAGHETTI MONSTER. i mean wtf. come up with something more believeable if u even wanna try to start some non-existent faith lol. idiots.”
>> Non-existant faith? The Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster is a real as any other, my dear Nick, and has been going of for several thousand years. And what’s wrong with the FSM? Less believable than some guy walking on water and coming back from the dead? Not much, in my opinion.
Uh, Nick. You might want to check out this link.
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http://abcnews.go.com/International/story?id=1300344
Nick, Pastafarianisms foundation is that science should be taught in a classroom, not theology. Science is based on aquiring knowledge through a systematic study of observable fact. FSM (Flying Spaghetti Monster) was created to show the Kansas school board how forcing intelligent design opens our schools up to any religious belief. They have no basis of denying Pastafarians beliefs over Christians except for thier own bias. Science strives to avoid bias by backing up all credible theories with observable, credible, substaniated, reviewed data. Now onto FSM himself
We have tried to prove to you that there is as much evidence for FSM creating the universe as there is for the Christian/Jewish/Muslim, Hindu, Egyptian, etc. God/Gods creating the universe and everything in it. Our “Lord” FSM asks that we worship him dressed in pirate garb. There is incredible statistical evidence (pure random chance brought by unrelated event…or is it?) that the number of pirates in the world directly effects the worlds average temperature. As a direct result, a tennant of pastafarianism has a basis in observable data. FSM is angry because there are fewer pirates. Thus he is increasing the global temperature and threatening the cities along the coast throughout the world unless pirates return to their pre 1800 levels.
I challenge you to read the Old and New Testament of the bible and ask yourself what basis I have in believing these words. What evidence (not heresay) is there that Jesus was the son of God? Why do I believe my God is the real God and that the Gods of the Hindus are just figments of their imagination? Why do Hindus believe the same of me?
For me, the answer was, “My parents told me so.” That answer was not enough for me and so I am in limbo. It wasn’t until I actually began to question my faith that I actually read the bible. I finally settled on the fact that I don’t know how the universe began. Evidence tells us that it began with an explosion, but where that matter/energy came from, we cannot explain and have no observable evidence to support anything before that time billions of years ago.
As a final thought, calling people morons and idiots is not the way to win an argument. I shall follow the christian morals you seem to have forgotten and treat people the way I would like to be treated. Nor is lambasting a community for not responding to your post on an internet forum in 11 minutes a valid argument.
God is dead, all hail FSM
@Nick.
with all due respect, go fuck yourself.
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We are not trying to prove that god doesn not exist, we are merely trying to make a point that Intelligent design should not be taught as science, when there is absololutely NO scientific evidence of it happening. And pirates do exist, you hear about them all the time. Please read about the mallacca strait. Recently, a Japanese ship full of was taken hostage off the coast of Somalia by pirates, and it and it’s crew were only released when a U.S guided missile carrier intervened.
what exacty is there that is ubelievable with a flying spaghetti monster? and who are you to think the faith is non-existent?
Dear Nick
Firstly please refer to the Pastarfarian cause to global warming, the rapid decline in the pirate population angering the spaghdetiy. Then again there are about 9 million hits for pirates when searched on google so to say you never hear of them just means you aren’t looking hard enough. Catholics believe that when they eat bread and wine blessed by a priest (who has to have testicles) it becomes the body and blood of a fatherless man. Correct me if I’m wrong but believing that to be true is slightly more implausible than say me eating pasta and thinking its pasta a food created by the creator.
Again when I look at how screwed up this world is I don’t think it must have been made by a perfect creator who loves human beings more than any other creature in the universe, I think hmm if there was a creator he must have been a bit stupid and drunk.
As for definite proof there is as much proof for the FSM as there is for any other god. This is faith. Remember it is religion not science at the end of the day.
Could you perhaps explain to me how any god whether it be Odin, Shiva or Yahweh made the universe and then explain what made them?
Pasta be upon you.
Nick. Man I really wish I was more eloquent, or had a doctorate or a knighthood or something to lend some additional credence to the arguements put forth here. But I’m sure it wouldn’t matter, because no matter what people say you will still have your beliefs. That of course being the difference between blind faith and logic. With logic a person admits that they can be proven wrong whereas faith doesn’t allow you the luxury of doubt or change.
However, if you wish to disprove that the FSM exists, please do something better than calling it ridiculous. Prove that yours is the truth and that all others are wrong without a cyclical arguement. Come up with a single test, question, or statement to prove my deity doesn’t exist that cannot also be used against your deity, whomever it may be.
One chance or walk away in shame, fair?
@Nick,
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What Nick, don’t you have anything to say to us? c’mon…
I have a feeling we made nick cry! We should me ashamed of our selves.
But for some reason, I’m not?
“It is physically, logically, and mathematically impossible to derive life from nonliving chemicals”
Wrong.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article2241753.ece
@ Religious monster
You were unable to counter argument me. Does this mean you concede defeat?
@ Pluto
If I feel defeated,it would mean that I would have to stop trying to convince people in my believe as you are trying to convince people in yours. Thus I dont feel defeated, as I already told you before. I have a personal relationship with God, as stupid as this might sound to you.
For the countering of arguments. There is no way of given a argument without you having a counter argument, even if my argument is vallid.
The following statements may or may not be vallid so please tell me what you think about it….
1.Accourding to facts +/-90% of the world believes in a God.
2.The ammount of intelligent people in this 90% exceeds the ammount in the 10% not believing in a God. This meaning that a large ammount of people having great knowledge of science still believes in a God.
3.A counter argument is that all humans have memes that gives them a desire in some higher power.
4.Why whould the sience in our DNA that we believe in give us a desire for some Devine power(a God)? This is not necessary for survival, as you being a atheist would know. My logic tells me that the creater of humans, even if it is evolution wanted us to believe that there is a higher power.
@ Religious monster
You were unable to counter argument me. Does this mean you concede defeat?
@ Pluto
If I feel defeated,it would mean that I would have to stop trying to convince people in my believe as you are trying to convince people in yours. Thus I dont feel defeated, as I already told you before. I have a personal relationship with God, as stupid as this might sound to you.
For the countering of arguments. There is no way of given a argument without you having a counter argument, even if my argument is vallid.
The following statements may or may not be vallid so please tell me what you think about it.
1.Accourding to facts +/-90% of the world believes in a God.
2.The ammount of intelligent people in this 90% exceeds the ammount in the 10% not believing in a God. This meaning that a large ammount of people having great knowledge of science still believes in a God.
3.A counter argument is that all humans have memes that gives them a desire in some higher power.
4.Why whould the sience in our DNA that we believe in give us a desire for some Devine power(a God)? This is not necessary for survival, as you being a atheist would know. My logic tells me that the creater of humans, even if it is evolution wanted us to believe that there is a higher power.
@ Religious monster
“For the countering of arguments. There is no way of given a argument without you having a counter argument, even if my argument is vallid.”
Err… so do you have a valid argument then? Because the ones you used before led you to contradict your self. You where doing most of my arguing for me, I just had to point it out.
As for: “If I feel defeated,it would mean that I would have to stop trying to convince people in my believe as you are trying to convince people in yours.”
I’m not the one making ridicules claims and falling over my own argument. But thanks for coming back and displaying your faulty logic. It never ceases to amuse me how silly you can be.
As to your states, where did you make these up from?
Most of the intellectual elite dismiss the bible. See monster I’m not dismissing god, because I can’t. But I can dismiss the god that is portrayed by your faith. Which in fact I have done with great success so far.
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I’ve shown what’s written in your holy book to be false and contradictory.
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I’ve shown your god to be a sadistic egomaniac.
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I’ve led you to contradict your self over and over again.
Interesting that you are so stuck in you delusion that you are unable to see what is in front of you.
But keep trying to argue with me by all means, you might actually come up with a valid point! I can but hope right?
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As I’m sure I’ve said before; As I’ve gone through life and learnt new things my opinion of the world and how it works has changed. You seem to have learnt nothing.
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Oh and merry Xmas to you. Hope you have a good holiday regardless of are disagreements.
OK, I’m going to leave most of that for Pluto to answer, as it was addressed to him, but just cannot let pass “evolution wanted us to believe”. Evolution does not have an aim, an antipated end, any desires, or any sentience. It is a process and you assigning conscious thought to it is akin to suggesting that the tarmac on a road not only know which town is at either end, but also the best place to go for a drink when it gets there.
@ religious monster: 1.Accourding to facts +/-90% of the world believes in a God.
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So? At one time 90% of people (or more) believed the earth was flat and the sun revolved around the earth. Simply having people believing in something doesn’t make it true!
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There are gaps in your logic so large I could fly a boeing through them! Come one, try some real logic ok?
Bugger. It was only when it came up on the board that I re-read the spelling errors. It makes a little more sense if you replace antipated with anticipated. Sorry about that.