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An elaborate spoof on Intelligent Design, The Gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster is neither too elaborate nor too spoofy to succeed in nailing the fallacies of ID. It's even wackier than Jonathan Swift's suggestion that the Irish eat their children as a way to keep them from being a burden, and it may offend just as many people, but Henderson, described elsewhere as a 25-year-old "out-of-work physics major," puts satire to the same serious use that Swift did. Oh, yes, it is very funny. -- Scientific American
@Pluto
“How can you have a personal relationship with a dead guy you’ve never met?”
Is there a rule that one can not have a relationship with one you can`t see. And I don`t consider my God to be dead.
“Atheists don’t try to convert you ”
That`s a lie, because my best friend is a atheist and he always try to per sway me not to believe in God.
“If god has a plane then atheists must be part of it and therefore you questioning us is questioning god.”
God has a plan with all, I`m sure his plan does include people going to Hell. People going to hell will include non believers. Maybe part of God`s plan is for me questioning you, giving you a change, so that on judgement day you won`t be able to say that nobody cared about you.
“God wants the best for us, but we have responsibilities to, the call it choices, and He has given us all the choices that the world has to offer.”
But if we don’t make the ones he likes then we will burn in hell for all eternity!
Very compassionate of him. “Love me or else!!!
The world has rules to, but you still have the choice. If you kill someone you might end up in jail for life. How can you expect to live against God`s rules and then have no punishment for your wrongdoing.
Last,”Does God ask you to have unprotected sex so that you can get AIDS?” and “Does God ask of us to start religious wars and futher spread diseases?”
Well according to the Old Testament and the Christian right, yes he dose!
The Old Testament also tells me that I may not eat pig`s meat, that doesn`t mean that the rule still counts. You should know that Jesus did bring new rules so please read the New Testament, before you tell me that the Old Testament tells us that gay people should be stoned to death.
@Religious monster- Were my counter argument? Was I not worth it? Or are you incapable of arguing with me? Come on, I’m always ready.
I saw your reply to 2 other posters. Lets have a look shell we?
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““Does God ask you to have unprotected sex so that you can get AIDS?”
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“Are aware how many nutter religious missionaries are preaching against the use of condoms in AIDS rife areas, like West Africa, right now even as I type? ”
You are aware that not all missionaries go out to praise the same God!”
Yes they do! They hold the bible in their hand, who else are they praying to?
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“I`m not saying that God said that you may not have unprotected sex,”
But his representatives on earth do!
“what I am saying is that unprotected sex increases the change of getting AIDS so God can not be held responsible for our stupidity.”
But you say he made us right? If a building contactor makes builds a building that collapses due to his incompetence then he is help responsible. If are car manufacturer makes a car with a serious design flaw that causes death then they are held accountable. If a nuclear power plant leaks due to incompetence then the company that runs the plant is held accountable. So how come god can ignore the rules?
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“NOT ALL PEOPLE THAT CLAIM TO BE CHRISTIANS WILL GO TO HEAVEN.”
That would apply to you too then?
“If you think that God will praise Bush for starting a unnecessary war and taking all the innocent lifes than “your statement marks you as a completely idiot!!” Please read the bible where judgement day is explained.”
He praised Moses for acts of genocide? Why not Bush or Hitler.
Once again you are using parts of a self contradictor book to prove a point! Look further up the thread to see why the “truth” of the bible is flawed. There are posts from me and several others pocking massive holes in it.
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“If it is easy enough to believe that the universe was only there, then how can it be difficult to believe that the creater(God) of it all was just there from the beginning.”
Almost a valid point. Yes we can’t discredit a creator because we can’t go back in time and see what happened, you’re very right there. We can only use available evidence to deduce what happened. Wile it’s true that there is no evidence the universe was started by an intelligence, there is also no proof that it wasn’t. However your claims that God was there from the beginning still fails to answer where god came from. Saying it makes no sense that the universe just appeared applies infinitely more to the idea of god. See, as the universe developed it became more complex, yet god just existed already more complex than anything else. How does that work?
So there could very well be an entity that started everything off, but in no way would it be the god depicted it the bible (we’ve already shown why further up the thread).
I look forward to you counted argument.
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Remember, we claim noting but that we are looking for the truth using logic and reasoning, you claim to have it in defiance of logic and reasoning.
I close with a few nice quotes. It’s one I’ve used before but is a good one.
“Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?”- Epicurus
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“We must question the story logic of having an all-knowing all-powerful God, who creates faulty Humans, and then blames them for his own mistakes” - Gene Roddenberry
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“With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.” - Steven Weinberg
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“Religion has actually convinced people that there’s an invisible man — living in the sky — who watches everything you do, every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a special list of ten things he does not want you to do.. And if you do any of these ten things, he has a special place, full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish, where he will send you to live and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry forever and ever ’til the end of time! ..But He loves you.” - George Carlin
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“The church says the earth is flat, but I know that it is round, for I have seen the shadow on the moon, and I have more faith in a shadow than in the church” - Ferdinand Magellan
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And final, because this is one of my favourites “When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realised that the Lord doesn’t work that way so I stole one and asked Him to forgive me.”- Emo Philips
@Religious monster – Sorry for the accusation that you were not prepared to answer me. The new moderation means I didn’t see your reply. I don’t want to come across as unfair. However lets have a good look at your reply shell we?
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“Is there a rule that one can not have a relationship with one you can`t see.”
No but when grown ups still have imaginary friends they normally put them in some sort of institution.
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!“Atheists don’t try to convert you ”
That`s a lie, because my best friend is a atheist and he always try to per sway me not to believe in God.”
I don’t know your friend or the arguments you have with him. However form my own experience I have all ways asked people who have an idea, which seems stupid to me, to explain it. Is this what you friend does per chance?
As I said to you before “You may see this as an attack, I say if you have an opinion be prepared to back it up, if not you shouldn’t be allowed to have one.” You have yet to do that properly, but hey, you’re only Christian!
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““If god has a plane then atheists must be part of it and therefore you questioning us is questioning god.”
God has a plan with all, I`m sure his plan does include people going to Hell. People going to hell will include non believers. Maybe part of God`s plan is for me questioning you, giving you a change, so that on judgement day you won`t be able to say that nobody cared about you.”
Yes, yes, yes! Thank you!
2 points here:
1. “God has a plan with all, I`m sure his plan does include people going to Hell”- so your god planed for people to go to hell? So he knew he was going to get to cast people in to a pit of eternal torment right from the start? He wanted people to end up in hell? I can see why you worship him. Better to be an obedient slave then touched for ever at the hands of an omnipotent sadist!
2. Now for the big guns! Did you read my post carefully? You quoted me ““If god has a plane then atheists must be part of it and therefore you questioning us is questioning god.” But that little comment was in reply to this from you: “You do not have the knowledge to question any of God`s plans, so don`t.” but you just said: “I`m sure his plan does include people going to Hell”
So you’ve just contradicted an earlier statement. And would you look at that, in my last post I stated:
“. I’m using your own logic against you and you can’t argue with me on that point without contradicting yourself!”
And you just have! Hahahahahaha. How’s that for prophecy? You just invalidated you own opinion! I wish you could see the little dance I’m doing, I really do! You have made my day!
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Now let’s pick this one apart for you! You quoted me answering a quote from you namely:
““God wants the best for us, but we have responsibilities to, the call it choices, and He has given us all the choices that the world has to offer.”
But if we don’t make the ones he likes then we will burn in hell for all eternity!
Very compassionate of him. “Love me or else!!!”
To which you replied:
“The world has rules to, but you still have the choice. If you kill someone you might end up in jail for life. How can you expect to live against God`s rules and then have no punishment for your wrongdoing.”
Now you couldn’t have seen this one coming or you wouldn’t have left such a big opening.
The rules that put you in jail for killing some one or steeling something are called LAWS. They are their, whether they work all the time or not, to protect society and the individuals in it. The exact punishment is based on the circumstances.
When you inflict horrible punishments for not doing exactly as you say, regardless of circumstance, then you are a TYRANT!
You’ve just confirmed your god as a tyrant! Well done.
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Now for the last point you had to make.
Quoting you quoting me!
“Last, ”Does God ask you to have unprotected sex so that you can get AIDS?” and “Does God ask of us to start religious wars and futher spread diseases?”
Well according to the Old Testament and the Christian right, yes he dose!
The Old Testament also tells me that I may not eat pig`s meat, that doesn`t mean that the rule still counts. You should know that Jesus did bring new rules so please read the New Testament, before you tell me that the Old Testament tells us that gay people should be stoned to death.”
As I understand it… Jesus told people to obey the existing scripture still! Can you see what’s coming next?
Oh yes!
You have eaten pork. The scripture you insist to be the undeniable word of god, says that this is a sin. Where in the New Testament does it say it’s ok to eat it?
Oh dear oh dear! If you’re right then you are going to hell with us “non-believers”, so you best hope your wrong or an eternity of indescribable agony awaits you!
Oh wait, wait, what was that I said before? Oh yes: “Once again I can use your own warped logic against you. Feel free to do the same to me. I don’t mind, I posses the reasoning to come out on top every time.” That’s right; you’ve proved my right and your self wrong! Again!
Also on the subject: If god changes his mind about something (which would automatically contradict him being infallible) do the people already in hell for disobeying him get let out in light of the revised rules?
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Oh look at that? You’ve proved me right again and exposed the holes in you of beliefs. I’m so glad you answered me, I do love being right.
I would also like to point out, that as you have done when answering others, that you have failed to address all their points. Why is this?
I however have answered all your points. Not only contradicting what you have said but leading you to contradict your self.
I may not be right, but you have shown yourself to be wrong!
@ Religious monster - ““children born with birth defects” - another thing that God should not alwasy be held responsible for.” Not always? You mean, in every single case of genetic disease or complication in pregnancy where the evil pregnant woman didn’t maliciously cause defects in her own child by heavy drinking, this merciful god of yours made an individual decision that that child somehow deserved to be born with some sort of birth defect? Even if by “not always” you mean very occasionally, does that not seem to you to be a few occasions too many? You know, I’ve always considered my lack of religion to be a benefit anyway, but it’s statements like that that really make me realise really how messed up some people’s world view is. At what point in your childhood brainwashing did you ever stop to wonder quite how you square an all-powerful and merciful deity micro-managing everything with all the problems you must be aware of in the world?
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@ Pluto - I can feel your glee in that second posting radiating through my monitor! You wouldn’t be feeling a little smug right now, would you?
@ Jennyanydots- So smug you wouldn’t believe it. Nice that these guys are so predictable that you know they have to contradict themselves sooner or later. After all that’s the nature of the beast!
If your arguments are not based on logic; they can be destroyed with reason.
What would surprise me is if one actual said “actually, come to think about it, you have a good point there. I’m going to go think about my life for a bit now.” Or something along those lines.
Maybe that’s what happens to all those ones who post a few times then disappear at the responses - they can’t quite bring themselves to admit it to the people who caused that epiphany but perhaps they are overwhelmed by the evidence and go evaluate it for a bit before coming back under a different name so no-one associates them with the original fundie once they’ve changed their minds.
I am in looooooveeeeeeee!
@Pluto
“I’m going to go think about my life for a bit now.” Or something along those lines.”
I already did that in the past and for sometime I was a atheist, but as you can see, things has changed.
Great use of Occam’s razor`s principle - “All other things being equal, the simplest solution is the best.” in your arguments.There is no way that I can convince you to be a Christian or to believe in God,because you did not have my experience,and as we both know, faith and logic defies one another.
The atheist, since his own childish theories hold no merit of their own on which to stand, and since the absolute truth of the Supreme Lord cannot be challenged directly by any means, all too often mentions such bizarre things as “spaghetti monster,” “mermaids,” “sky faeries,” and a myriad of other ridiculous straw-man arguments that he manufactures in his fertile imagination. The straw-man argument is perhaps the most shameful and childish of all the logical fallacies, and among the very favorites of the atheist.
The fact is that the ungodly atheist is afraid to face the issue directly, and the issue is simply that God’s personal and intelligent plan for the highly structured, ordered, and variegated universe that we all experience every day makes much more sense as its ultimate origin than such silly, mythological concepts as “chance,” “randomness,” and “evolution theory.”
It is physically, logically, and mathematically impossible to derive life from nonliving chemicals, personality from some imaginary, impersonal system of “chance,” or any amount of greater intelligence from any amount of lesser intelligence. The conclusion is that all life comes from life, all personality comes from personality, and all relative intelligence comes from absolute intelligence.
There is not so much as one single example, in the experience of any scientist throughout all time, of one species being observed producing a member of another species. Conversely, every nanosecond, every millisecond, every instant, every moment, every second, every minute, every hour, every day, every week, every month, every year, every decade, every lifetime, every generation, every century, every millennium, every epoch, every aeon, every era, and every age, since time immemorial, and right down the line, to this very red-hot nanosecond, what we observe, each and every time, without fail, adjustment, or substitution, is that each respective species produces members of its very own, very same species. There is absolutely not so much as a single example, throughout the entire history of all time, of crossover from one species to any other species. There is none, none, none — none at all.
Since scientific method is based, first and foremost, upon observation, and the very lynchpin of “evolution theory,” (species crossover), has never been observed by anyone, ever, the only rational conclusion is that the theory is 100% unscientific.
Only the insane can neglect these hard facts and insist upon the foolish, illogical convolutions of “evolution theory” instead.
More information:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=BxYacGWRlMw
I really thought, Purushadasa is a hoax. He can’t mean that, or can he?
Kindly to, Purushadasa,
Not one scientist has ever observed species evolving? So, you haven’t actually ever read Darwin’s Origins of Species. You are aware that his conclusions were based upon the observation of the birds that inhabit the Galapagose Islands, right? There is hard data proving survival of the fittest and natural selection from these observations. Further, there have been many other experiments proving how a species evolves to an ecosystem. As for cross species evolution. I don’t think you have the slightest clue as to what evolution is. Enlighten me as to what you mean by cross species, becuase in no way does evolution indicate cross species relationships. Go read about evolution before you come here and make up terminology, and then use your made up terms to debunk evolution. It’d be like if I turned the trinity into some sort of penta, where god is divided into five beings, and then used that to fight christianity. You are absurd, go read a book, preferably reputable in its source.
Purushadasa,
I’m sorry, did you just call Evolutionary Theory “mythology”??? Wow, what a glimpse into your mindset!
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Okay: Let me tell you this in simple terms. We (the scientific community) have seen (witnessed first-hand) speciation events (where one species “crosses over” into another species).
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Unfortunately, humans have short lives. If speciation events take species our size well over one million years to occur, then of course, we are not going to witness such an “event.” However, thinking of speciation as an “event” is wrong. Species grade from one form to another, sometimes slowly (gradual, so-called “Darwinian” evolution) and sometimes more quickly (punctuated change followed by a period of stasis). Modern cladistic methods of taxonomic classification consider a parent species extinct once a speciation has occurred. Thus you could call every species you see around you today a “transitional” form in that given environmental pressure it is in the process of grading into another form (another clade).
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That being said, the “events” witnessed by biologists occur in species with rapid generational turnover: bacteria. Quickly mutating varieties of bacteria have undergone tens of thousands of generations over the past decades and biologists have monitored the changes. Not only have new species emerged, but new genera and families have emerged from such lab analysis. However, even a simple understanding of genetics yields evidence for past speciation events and the inter-related nature of species within a genus, genera within a family and so on, not to mention qualitative morphological similarities in fossil species!
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So please, revise your statement and get back to us.
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FSM Bless,
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P.E.T.
LOL so umm about this spaghetti monster, you’ve “tried” to prove to me that God doesnt exist. But can you prove that this ridiculous monster made of spaghetti of all things, An italian delicacy, could possibly be a creator. And pirates? Have you guys even read your history? Pirates are no more. You dont hear of them. Freakin retards.
What, do you guys have nothing to say to me? cmon, of all things a SPAGHETTI MONSTER. i mean wtf. come up with something more believeable if u even wanna try to start some non-existent faith lol. idiots.
@ Purushadasa - “all personality comes from personality,” - by the same logic, all personality traits must come from the same source, so this originating personality you want to convince us of must be incredibly schizophrenic, exhibiting all manner of unpleasant traits. Oh, wait a minute…
@Purushadasa Dec 6th, 2007 at 11:09 pm
“Since scientific method is based, first and foremost, upon observation, and the very lynchpin of “evolution theory,” (species crossover), has never been observed by anyone, ever, the only rational conclusion is that the theory is 100% unscientific.
Only the insane can neglect these hard facts and insist upon the foolish, illogical convolutions of “evolution theory” instead.”
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More information:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=BxYacGWRlMw
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Are you serious Purushadasa? Lots of rhetoric in your post but nothing to back any of it up! You offer a Youtube video to back up yourself up? Your concept of putting for
Hehehehehe…..here try this some of this for scientific method the way it’s done!
The Human Genome (Francis Collins…not an atheist either :)
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http://www.talkreason.org/articles/Theistic.cfm
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Go on…..I dare you to read it….I promise that your eyes won’t spontaneously conbust if you read that page.
Hehehehehe….check out the comments under Purushadasa’s Youtube vid….all made by….Purushadasa!
Reminds me of that song……”I’m a one man band”
@Religious monster
“…as we both know, faith and logic defies one another.”
My point exactly!
@Nick - zzzzzzzzzzzzz IO *snoring*
@Religious monster
“…as we both know, faith and logic defies one another.”
My point exactly!
@ Religious monster
You were unable to counter argument me. Does this mean you concede defeat?
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@Nick- The whole point of a flying spaghetti monster is more plausible than god. If you bothered to read the site properly you would see that this religion has ‘Unintelligent Design’ to explain why the world is fucked up. Surly this makes more sense than an infallible being making an imperfect creation (thus making that being fallible).
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Also you’ve noted the lack of pirates in the modern world. If you look at the graph it shows that the increase in global warming is directly related to the decrees in pirates, which as you just noted is correct. So who’s the retard now?
I feel sorry of you, you poor idiot. Like so many others before you, you’ve made an arse of your self. If you had stayed quiet I would never have seen you original post and you wouldn’t have left your self open to this.
See I always have something to say. I am an atheist here me roar bitch!
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@ Purushadasa
If you read all my other post, including the ones earlier on this thread you will see I have no need for a ‘Straw Man’! I have used logic and reasoning against you.
Evolution is a theory supported by observable facts, that means my ‘childish’ theories hold infinitely more merit that your own. The ‘absolute truth’ of you imagined Supreme Being has been shot down by me and others with out the aid of the FSM, you clearly lack understanding of what you worship and the counter arguments
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“The fact is that the ungodly atheist is afraid to face the issue directly,…” I have faced your kind down directly many times and always prove victorious.
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“and the issue is simply that God’s personal and intelligent plan for the highly structured, ordered, and variegated universe that we all experience every day makes much more sense as its ultimate origin than such silly, mythological concepts as “chance,” “randomness,” and “evolution theory.””
So you have some evidence to back up what you are saying? Let’s hear it. As I stated above, evolution has a foundation and supporting evidence. What have you got?
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“It is physically, logically, and mathematically impossible to derive life from nonliving chemicals,”
Actually it is entirely possible. As low as the chance may be, it is still possible and only has to happen once! Evolution does the rest.
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“The conclusion is that all life comes from life, all personality comes from personality, and all relative intelligence comes from absolute intelligence.”
Without explaining where this intelligence comes from? If life is too complex not to have been designed then the same must hold true for an infinitely more complex designer. Basically if god is the cause of life, what is the cause of god?
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“There is not so much as one single example, in the experience of any scientist throughout all time, of one species being observed producing a member of another species.”
Look at the fossil record idiot! Real change takes millennia. Or to show you up from your over worded nonsense
“Conversely, every nanosecond, every millisecond, every instant, every moment, every second, every minute, every hour, every day, every week, every month, every year, every decade, every lifetime, every generation, every century, every millennium, every epoch, every aeon, every era, and every age, since time immemorial, and right down the line, to this very red-hot nanosecond, what we observe, each and every time, without fail, adjustment, or substitution, is that each respective species produces members of its very own, very same species. There is absolutely not so much as a single example, throughout the entire history of all time, of crossover from one species to any other species. There is none, none, none — none at all.”
Two words loser. Farm Animals! Oh yes my favourite example. Farm animal show so little in common with there genetic forbearers (i.e. their wild equivalent) as to be barely recognisable. A better example would be dog, who differ in appearance so much from the wolf ancestors, and even other breads of dog, that if you weren’t told they were dogs you’d never know!
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“Since scientific method is based, first and foremost, upon observation, and the very lynchpin of “evolution theory,” (species crossover), has never been observed by anyone, ever, the only rational conclusion is that the theory is 100% unscientific.”
Wrong again! We can observe the fossil record and the changes from one species to another through intimidate steps. The religious have often claimed there are gaps, but as more fossil are uncovered those gaps are filled in so we now have ‘chains’ of fossils from one form to another. All you’ve done here is exposed your ignorance. Maybe you should go look up the information your self from a reputable source. Then you might have a more convincing argument.
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Only the insane can neglect these hard facts and insist upon the foolish, illogical convolutions of “Intelligent Design” instead.
For more information, read a fucking book other than the bible.