493 Responses to “FSM vs God”
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301 - November 28th, 2007 at 10:30 pm - neal Says:
I think with all his noodly appendages, FSM would lick the tar of of God in anything from wrestling to boxing to kick boxing. Better watch you step God, or FSM will open up a can of Whoopass on you
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302 - November 28th, 2007 at 10:33 pm - PacificPam Says:
@Fool - Totally agree…bastard.
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303 - November 29th, 2007 at 2:49 am - Ariel Says:
One way I can prove God is real is through his Word ( the Bible). There has been no evidemce to prove the Bible to be false. The Bible has been proven to be true by the following: Fulfilled prophecies. There is evidence of prophecies being fulfilled, even after the one who prophesied had died (prophecies of Christ’s birth 100 or so years before it happened, prophecy of the flood, etc.).
The Bible is historically accurate. The Hittites’ record and capitol were found in Bogazkoy, Turkey; the Hittites were thought to be a Biblical legend. In the 1970’s the Elba archives, in northern Syria, has proven the writings about the Patriarchs to be true. In Isaiah 20:1 the Bible speaks os Sargon (the Assyrian king), this was thought to be false; since no records of him could be found anywhere. Then, they discovered his palace in Khorsabad, Iraq. It speaks of Sargon’s capture of Ashdod in Isaiah 20, and a record of this was found on the palace walls. The Bible is scentifically accurate. Many principles of modern science were stated as facts in the Bible way before scientists confirmed that they were with experimentation; such as: The earth is round, the law of increasing entropy, the importance of blood, the gravitational field, an enormous amount of stars, the law of conservation of energy and mass, the hydrological cycle, the atmospheric circulation, etc.
The Bible has 66 books and was written by 40 (or even more) different men over a 2,000 year period, and it is consistent and perfectly united. The Bible has been proven also through personal testamonies. Those from the past and the present have testified and do testify (from personal experience) that the promises in the Bible are true.
The beauty and intelligent design of earth and the way our minds work: memory, thoughts, etc. our hearts, and organs, etc. all are also evidence that God exists.
Romans 1: 19-20 states, (19) “Since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. (20) For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities - his eternal power and divine nature - have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.”
God wants us all to be saved, but we can’t be saved unless we ask Jesus to come into our hearts and save us. We should always do good works, but good works are not what saves us; if that was so, then God would not have had to send his Son to die for us. But we are all sinful, no one is perfect. God is perfect and we cannot be where he is (in heaven) because of our sin. God knew that the only way that we could be with him was to provide a way for us to get to him and that is through his Son (Jesus). God knew that the only way was to sacrifice his holy and perfect Son to pay for our sins. Jesus willingly came to earth to die for us. Now, we have a way to be with God in heaven and that is by believing in Jesus and accepting him as our Lord and Savior (that is the only way to be saved). This is a free gift that God offers us and no one deserves it; but God did it because he loves us that much. John 14:6 says, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.” Romans 3;23 says, “For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.” Everyone is a sinner, no one is perfect, no one is worthy of salvation; but God offers it to us anyways. Romans 5:8 says, “But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.” Also, Romans 6:23 says, “For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.”
If you stilll don’t believe God is real, pray to him and ask him to show you that he is real and he will. -
304 - November 29th, 2007 at 4:36 pm - pwnd Says:
haha=)
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305 - November 29th, 2007 at 5:21 pm - Jennyanydots Says:
@ Arial -
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Frankly, the first response that comes to mind is “bollocks”. Quite apart from the fact that the bible is neither historically or scientifically accurate, and I’ll leave it to the others to point out the fallacies in your statement that the bible “is consistent and perfectly united”, the concept of sin is a human construction which differs from culture to culture. The sins you say we all need to be forgiven for were seen as bad by a particular middle eastern Bronze Age tribe and wouldn’t have been an issue to many other groups of people before and since this, living in many different parts of the world. They would, however, have had a number of other mores which they would have considered equally unbreakable. In fact, not only would other cultures not refer to some of the things you dislike as sins, but in some instances one society will actively encourage what another tries to forbid. -
306 - November 29th, 2007 at 6:12 pm - Pluto (Not sorry at all!) Says:
@Ariel- “One way I can prove God is real is through his Word ( the Bible).”
Err… If you look at the individual books of the bible, most are named after the author i.e. Mathew est. None of them are titled God. You invalidate ether you own point or the bible. If you invalidate the Bible, you invalidate your religion (with me so far?). If you invalidate yourself, you invalidate the bible too. See above.
So your point of view is invalided! Well done.
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“There has been no evidemce to prove the Bible to be false.”
How about that locusts have only four legs (I like that one). Bats aren’t birds! They are winged mammals!
The Earth has been geologically proven to be more than 6000 years old, way more!
All life was not created as is. Regardless of how much you try to ignore the evidence, it all supports evolution. You have to ignore the fossil record which shows life going back millions of years!
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“Many principles of modern science were stated as facts in the Bible way before scientists confirmed that they were with experimentation; such as: The earth is round, the law of increasing entropy, the importance of blood, the gravitational field, an enormous amount of stars, the law of conservation of energy and mass, the hydrological cycle, the atmospheric circulation, etc.”
Where does it mention those things? Oh wait it doesn’t! Also the biblical number for pi is exactly 3! Making all the engineers in the would liars in your opinion, and all the things they have made ungodly. This would include the PC you used to write your pathetic letter.
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“The Bible has 66 books and was written by 40 (or even more) different men over a 2,000 year period, and it is consistent and perfectly united.”
No there are hideous contradictions! That’s have a look at some shell we?
(I got a shit load from a simple Google search for fuck sake)
http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/jim_meritt/bible-contradictions.html
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God good to all, or just a few?
PSA 145:9 The LORD is good to all: and his tender mercies are over all his works.
JER 13:14 And I will dash them one against another, even the fathers and the sons together, saith the LORD: I will not pity, nor spare, nor have mercy, but destroy them.
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War or Peace?
EXO 15:3 The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name.
ROM 15:33 Now the God of peace be with you all. Amen.
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Who is the father of Joseph?
MAT 1:16 And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.
LUK 3:23 And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli.
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Who was at the Empty Tomb?
MAT 28:1 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.
MAR 16:1 And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.
JOH 20:1 The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.
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Is Jesus equal to or lesser than?
JOH 10:30 I and my Father are one.
JOH 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.
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GEN 1:25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
GEN 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
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GEN 2:18 And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.
GEN 2:19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.
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How many stalls and horsemen?
KI1 4:26 And Solomon had forty thousand stalls of horses for his chariots, and twelve thousand horsemen.
CH2 9:25 And Solomon had four thousand stalls for horses and chariots, and twelve thousand horsemen; whom he bestowed in the chariot cities, and with the king at Jerusalem.
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Is it folly to be wise or not?
PRO 4:7 Wisdom is the principal thing; therefore get wisdom: and with all thy getting get understanding.
ECC 1:18 For in much wisdom is much grief: and he that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow.
1 Cor.1:19: “For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and wil bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.”
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Human vs. ghostly impregnation
ACT 2:30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;
MAT 1:18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.
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The sins of the father
ISA 14:21 Prepare slaughter for his children for the iniquity of their fathers; that they do not rise, nor possess the land, nor fill the face of the world with cities.
DEU 24:16 The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin.
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I could go on but I wont, there is little point you have been proven wrong by your own holy book!
It has been translated several times and had parts re-written to represent the goals and beliefs of whichever fascist regime was using it at the time.
Well done for making your self appear ignorant! It was a pleasure to pick apart some of what you said.
I won’t bother contradicting direct quotes you have made. As I have shown; the bible is so contradictory that you can support just about any view point by selective quoting. -
307 - November 29th, 2007 at 6:21 pm - PacificPam Says:
@Pluto - I really appreciate your posts, because they say everything I want to say and….I don’t have to write it!
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308 - November 29th, 2007 at 6:22 pm - Pluto (Not sorry at all!) Says:
@Ariel-By the way I use to pray when I was a little boy. But nothing happened ever! I’m sure you pray we will see the ‘light’, but I’m guessing that’s not working ether?
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309 - November 29th, 2007 at 7:09 pm - neal Says:
@Ariel. I wish you would not use this moniker. I have an excellent set of stereo speakers called Aeriel Acoustic 10T’s and I associate them with beautiful music. Also I associate Aerial with the Fairies in “A Midsommer Night’s Dream”, I also associate Aerial with a real hottie I dated last year.
I don’t want I beautiful name like that convoluted with the hysterical fundamentalist effluvia you are outputting.
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310 - November 29th, 2007 at 7:19 pm - Pluto (Not sorry at all!) Says:
@neal- And the little mermaide
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311 - November 29th, 2007 at 7:24 pm - PacificPam Says:
that is also the name of an exboyfriend of mine…
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312 - November 29th, 2007 at 7:25 pm - neal Says:
BTW, what geological evidence exists for a massive global flood 4-5 thousand years ago of sufficient magnitude to be either an extinction or a near exztinction event? Any goelogist out there want to weigh in and refute that one?
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313 - November 29th, 2007 at 7:30 pm - PacificPam Says:
@neal - the bastard needs to stop watching evangelical and watch some more Discovery Channel.
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314 - November 29th, 2007 at 7:31 pm - PacificPam Says:
I know that some one here was an archaeologist…Jennyanydots?
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315 - November 29th, 2007 at 7:33 pm - Old Grouch Says:
Well now, if we are to have a bit of fun with the Hebrew mythology book - which, insofar as a good deal of the HISTORY, i.e., battles, kings, etc., has been found to be more accurate than previously thought - we might turn to something written by some current scholars of Jewish origin, and Israeli academic standing. Shall we?
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(After all, several of the history books tell us that they are merely synopses, or edited redactions, of records in the royal archives anyway; and the scroll that makes up the biblical “book” is somewhat parallel to what today might be seen as a Master’s Thesis, or Doctoral Dissertation, quoting sources.)
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Anyway, why not read, THE BIBLE UNEARTHED, written by Israel Finkelstein and Neil Asher Silberman. Finkelstein is associated with Tel Aviv University; and Silberman is associated with a renowned Jewish Archaeology Center in Belgium. Perhaps this work will aid in sorting out the “hysterical fundamentalist (funnymentalcase) effluvia” - Thank you, “Neal”. - from the reasonably useful part of mythological transcriptions. (And of course, the excellent pages of reference works - “footnotes” - may serve as guides to other sources for dealing with the confabulations of the bibliolatry cults as well.) -
316 - November 29th, 2007 at 7:38 pm - Jennyanydots Says:
Yep, that’s me. Have to admit, I was hoping someone else would be sciency enough to get into geological time periods and rock strata, as I’m by preference a medievalist and would hate to get some of this stuff even fractionally wrong, given it provides more ammunition, but give me a minute and I’ll see what I can do.
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317 - November 29th, 2007 at 7:44 pm - neal Says:
By the way, Aerial, isn’t Jesus as God really saving us from God his murdering father. If God loved us SO MUCH why is he killing every living thing. All that your salvation means is that God will let you party with him AFTER he kills you. There would be no need for salvation if God did not hold against us (according to you own myth) the actions of someone hundreds of generations removed from us.
If anyone not named god decided to kill all the members of a species because of some imagined offense of an ancestor who lived thousands (I’m using your obviously ridiculous biblical timeline here) of years ago, we would consider him a genocidal maniac. Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, or Atilla the Hun.
The only reason you buy into this pile of garbage is because someone brainwashed you into believing it before your critical reasoning faculties formed. Wanna know how many true believers there would be if we prohibited teaching children under age 14 your religiuos myths. Probably none.
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318 - November 29th, 2007 at 7:58 pm - Pluto (Not sorry at all!) Says:
@neal- “what geological evidence exists for a massive global flood 4-5 thousand years ago of sufficient magnitude to be either an extinction or a near exztinction event?”
I was wondering how fast 2 of each animal and a hand full of humans would have to breed over that 4000 year period to reach the populations that we have today! One family eventually expanded to over 5billion people in a 4000 year time span? And you have to take into account all the wars famines and plagues that have affected the population over the millennia.
Any maths masters out there who want to give us some figures? -
319 - November 29th, 2007 at 7:59 pm - Jennyanydots Says:
Mind you, 5000 years ago is a little recent for most geologists anyway. The quick answer is that there isn’t any geological evidence for a flood at this time. To be honest, I very much doubt there’s any evidence for mass extinctions at that time either, given that we have remarkably consistant evidence that human life wasn’t being that dramatically altered, barring new technologies being developed. (NB - just checked, and the last mass extinction phase was circa 65 million years ago). Should there have been a mass exinction, it’s likely that none of the larger mammalian life forms would survive it, as they adjust to environmental conditions much slower than smaller ones, or than e.g. amphibians. One bit of geological ‘evidence’ claimed as proof of a flood is that stone on top of mountains contains bits of shell. So the suggestion is that there was a big flood, all of the little molluscs that had caused great offence to this merciful god drowned but floated up to the top of the mountains, then settled on the surface as the waters receded and sunk into the surface of these rocks that must have been much softer then (because of all the water, I suppose). Only these fossilised shells are found all the way through the types of stone that you find them in, so maybe god decided they were making the mountain tops look untidy and prodded them all deeper in. Noodly appendages would, of course, have made this task much easier. Or maybe the more conventional theory, that most sedimentary rock formation happened under water, or on mud flats, could possibly make more sense. What do you think?
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320 - November 29th, 2007 at 8:06 pm - neal Says:
Aerial here’s the other think I love about the Christian myth. Jesus died for us, the father had to saxcrifice him.
Why did Jesus have to be butchered by the Romans. Answer: To propitiate his father. So let’s get this straight. My neighbor’s ancestor committs an offense against me. So, in order for me to forgive my neighbors transgression against me, I turn my son over to him so he can kill him. Makes so much sense when you deconstruct it that way, now doesn’t it.
