400 Responses to “Comment on Propaganda Materials”

1. 61 - November 20th, 2006 at - One Oared Marc Says:
   
   

   It is not possible when you continue to say idiotic things like “I don’t believe in coincidence, I mean that there is no mere chance.” It is hard to have a conversation with someone so obviously out of touch with how the real world works.

2. 62 - November 20th, 2006 at - Davey Jones' Hacker Says:
   
   

   Michael,
   The very existence of religious belief, and the nonsense that you people believe in, your continuing insistence that everyone should think as badly as yourselves, your insistence that you will “pray” for us (I would rather you spat in my face, frankly) belittles all of humanity. Evolve. Grow up. Stop being such bloody children and take responsibility for yourselves, you bloody shambles.

3. 63 - November 20th, 2006 at - One Eyed Jack Says:
   
   

   Evyl Robot Michael,
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   I agree with you in taking offense to Davey’s statement. There are intelligent people that believe in any number of religions. Although there is a proven correlation between education and atheism, that should not be taken to mean that anyone that believes in a religion is not intelligent. I take it to mean that religion does not stand up well when people are exposed to alternate viewpoints and critical thinking.
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   I am pleased to see that we both believe in the power of prayer. I will pray to His Noodly Greatness that you will be delivered from the clutches of your false god and brought to the Great Table of Truth. I hope that did not offend you. My prayers are a blessing, not a curse. Get the point?
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   I recommed you find some new arguments. The points you made are overused and will not fly in this forum. Bringing them here demonstrates a lack of research on the topic. The “It is true because I believe” or “My belief fills me with joy” argument is no argument at all. Think of it this way. (paraphrasing Sam Harris) If I believe that there is a diamond the size of volkswagon in my back yard, I will be ecstatic and start shovelling away with zeal. It doesn’t matter if there is a diamond. So long as I believe it is there, I will be happy. A better statement would be to simply say “I believe in XYZ because it works for me.”
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   Also, let’s try to avoid the “evolution is a ‘theory’” and “God of gaps” arguments. The scientific use of the word ‘theory’ is not the same as in common conversation. Of course there are gaps in the evidence for evolution. There always will be. Science is a contiuous process to fill in the gaps, but there will always be gaps. Despite this, there is a mountain of evidence that fits the theory of evolution. Someone with your IQ should be above these cheap and weak tactics.
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   Finally, synchronicity. This one dumbfounds me more than anything else you said. Synchronicity is nothing more than then the tendency of the human brain to find patterns. It is simply how our mind works. Synchronicity is not much removed from horoscopes and fortune cookies. The mind will see meaning where there is none if we want it to.
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   OEJ

4. 64 - November 20th, 2006 at - One Oared Marc Says:
   
   

   I also want to congratulate you, Michael, on your choice of username. Evyl Robot is indeed the case. It seems you have overdosed on the opiate of the masses.

5. 65 - November 20th, 2006 at - Mighty Pirate Kalypso Says:
   
   

   @ Evyl Robot Michael
   ‘When I say that I have seen the power of God in my life, you wouldn’t understand unless you had been there.’

   I was wondering what you meant by that. ‘unless you had been there.’ unless I had seen the power of God? Or unless I at one time thought myself ’saved’?

   I know what it is like, I was brought up Lutheran, and was a good little church-goer for most of my life. However, after learning a few things, I began to see the holes in everything that I was taught about God. Now, I am happier than I ever was when I was ’saved’. I don’t feel condemned if I do just one tiny thing wrong. I don’t feel guilty or evil for doing something that humans are bound to do anyway.

   While I appreciate that you have found something you can believe in, I would also appreciate it if you didn’t make such broad genralizations about what others supposidly don’t understand.

   I’m just saying that I’ve been there, and it wasn’t for me.

6. 66 - November 20th, 2006 at - Davey Jones' Hacker Says:
   
   

   *a-hem*
   I’ll happily stand by any offense that I’ve caused with my own words, as you know, but in this instance the offending sentence wasn’t one of mine, it was a comment directed to me, hence “Davey” being the first word in the sentence.
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   I agree you don’t have to be stupid to be religious, and, conversely, you don’t have to be smart to be an atheist. Intelligence and belief don’t correlate that well, or that easily. However, a lot of otherwise perfectly intelligent and sane people do end up believing the most outrageous nonsense as a result of organised religion’s conditioning of them (usually as children), which I think is a shame. It’s one of the many things I find intolerable about religion - it makes fools out of perfectly decent people.

7. 67 - November 20th, 2006 at - One Eyed Jack Says:
   
   

   Sorry Davey.
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   I took that quote the wrong way and didn’t take the time to find the original post. Mea Culpa.
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   OEJ

8. 68 - November 20th, 2006 at - Davey Jones' Hacker Says:
   
   

   @Mike:
   ‘When I say that I have seen the power of God in my life, you wouldn’t understand unless you had been there.’
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   I’ll paraphrase a comment I’ve already made on another thread:
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   When I say that my life was changed by reading Carl Sagan’s “Cosmos”, you wouldn’t understand unless you had been there.
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   The thing is, Mike, I wouldn’t *expect* you to be there. I don’t *need* you to be there. I have no desire to evangelise or pray to *force* you to be there..
   You should read it, anyway, just so’s you know the glory can exist without having to believe in ghosts.

9. 69 - November 28th, 2006 at - Andy Collins Says:
   
   

   Shit Bobby we’ve now got the ID lot in the uk (website attached)!
   I’d very much like as much support as possible. Maybe fellow pastafari’s could mail the truth in science people and ask them help promote FSM as well as ID in UK schools. I’d very much apprieciate the lobbying potential of his noodly apendage

   Regards Andy Collins

   PS sorry i posted here, but could’nt find any other way of contacting you!

10. 70 - November 28th, 2006 at - Penne Says:
    
    

    -chapter 6 online in “lame” thread

11. 71 - November 28th, 2006 at - Johnny Corvette Says:
    
    

    Let’s list all those we consider idiots for believing in God:

    William Shakespeare
    C.S. Lewis
    Martin Luther King jr.
    Bill Clinton
    Jimmy Carter
    Ronald Regan
    Abraham Lincoln
    George Washington
    Christopher Columbus
    Isaac Newton
    Louis Pasteur
    Johnny Cash
    Elvis Presley
    Jeff Gordon
    John Woo
    Robert Duvall
    Dalai Lama
    Richard Gere
    Nelson A. Rockefeller
    Hugo L. Black
    John D. MacArthur
    Cornel West
    John Grisham

    Wait - are we listing Jewish people too or Just Christians we think are stupid? Someone else needs to take over writing this list - I am getting tied.

    What a list of fools. When will they all learn to worship the His Noodly appendages?

12. 72 - November 28th, 2006 at - One Oared Marc Says:
    
    

    @Johnny Corvette. Your list would actually be billions long, but it is not the act of believing in a god that is stupid, it is the execution.

13. 73 - November 28th, 2006 at - Johnny Corvette Says:
    
    

    Execution as in how Martin Luther King jr and Gahndi practiced thier faith? Or more like Charles Darwin and Albert Einstein did?

    They are all fools to worship anything but His spagehttiness.

14. 74 - November 28th, 2006 at - Mr Happypants Says:
    
    

    I’m pretty sure that the Dalai Lama is a Buddhist and therefore an atheist. Also if I were attempting to make the faithful of the world look good I wouldn’t admit to Ronald Reagan, Christopher Columbus, or Nelson A. Rockefeller. And finally we might enjoy the work of famous musicians and actors and such that doesn’t make them intelligent or legitimise their religious views.
    P.S. - C.S. Lewis is just a Tolkien wanna’ be.
    Praise the pasta
    RAmen

15. 75 - November 28th, 2006 at - Gnocci Man Says:
    
    

    not fools, just misled.
    and by the way, it would be somewhere in the trillions.
    we don’t generally consider people fools for believing in other religions, just for blindly following them. an open mind is always welcome.

16. 76 - November 28th, 2006 at - Alchemist Says:
    
    

    I don’t know the Dalai Lama but I do know the Llama Song. I’m pretty good at -’Jesus can’t play rugby’ - as well!
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    Sorry - absolutely nothing of relevance to add to this thread. Just felt left out and wanted to contribute (^_^ - like it)

17. 77 - November 28th, 2006 at - Penne Says:
    
    

    -chapter 7’s up. …get it? 7up?-huh?

18. 78 - November 28th, 2006 at - Johnny Corvette Says:
    
    

    I am just trying to make sure I understand which aspects of people’s believe in God we find so abhorrent. My former friends tell me that I “hate Jesus” and tell me stories of their God’s greatness and love and all the many people who have found peace and salvation through their believe. I try to explain all the evil that has been done in the name of their God and all the intolerance I have seen in people who claim to be pious. The seem to think that people have the capacity to be evil and intolerance no matter what they believe. I have been touched by His noodly goodness and they think I am crazy.

    I used to be a devoted and pious believer in the Dream Mine.
    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/The-Dream-Mine/
    Have since converted and only worship the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

    I run a Pastafarian congregation in the town of North Woods and we run a small “School of the Devine Noodle” for grades k-12. We also have a small and fledgling Pirate Militia willing to sacrifice for the great doughy stringy one.

    Johnny Corvette, Enlighten leader of the First Fundamentalist Pastafarian Congregation of the North Woods.

19. 79 - November 28th, 2006 at - Alchemist Says:
    
    

    I think you’ve hit the nail on the head there Johnny. Most genocides have been committed in the name of .
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    I suspect most folks on this site would get on with Jesus. The thing is - we are here - he isn’t!
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    I feel for you -you said ‘your former friends’. Sorry for that. I’ve also lost friends because of my evil ways. Some were quite nice.
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    As to peoples belief in god. I speak for myself here. I really don’t care what others believe in - non of my business. I just wish they would do the same.
    RAmen

20. 80 - November 28th, 2006 at - Penne Says:
    
    

    -Alchemist,I for one love your evil ways.Never change!(Unless of course,you’d like to get more evil,that is)

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