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Cardinal Fang wrote:I think because Pastafarianism has lax moral standards and one of the IRRYDs says something about not being mean or oppressing people suggests to me that having a rigid hierarchy is not something within the tenets of FSM-ism. I think all Pastafarians are supposed to be equal
Ministers I'm not sure have any more authority than non-ministers - they just have a nice shiny certificate.
Although if people want to reverence Cardinals and pass large amounts of grog their way - I ain't going to argue!
*The exception the this might be Bobby Henderson by virtue of him being the Prophet (Pasta be Upon Him)
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Zac Reaves wrote:Maybe we should take from Judaism for a second, as I know Judaism is that during the time of a boy's Bar' Mitzvah they must to a community service project or at least that is what the temple requires where I live. What I am trying to say here is that maybe to become a Priest, Bishop, Cardinal, etc. is that you must create community "help project" or a fundraiser and donate it to associations such as St.Jude and The Humane Society for example. I am embracing the IRRYD that says that if we really want to worship the FSM we should use the money we make from the church and give it to charities. The Pope could even create GIGANTIC, Pastafarian wide fund raisers and local priests could get together a group of Pastafarians and do a church sermon or something. I do agree with Dechujoh64 on that the church does need a hierarchy of sorts, but how a individual achieves the ranks of Pope, Cardinal, Bishop, etc. we differ on.
May the pasta be with you, RAmen
Dechujoh64 wrote:I mean at first I had this planned out but, then I realized my first option that I had was close to impossible to do.
Zac Reaves wrote:I also hope we can come to a conclusion. I did not mean for these "help projects" to be like an Eagle Scout project. I also was a scout once, but I did not make it was far as to become Eagle Scout. One reason because of that was that I found the system to be a bit medieval (Or at least in my troop it was) These "help projects" would be more than building dog houses or helping restore something (Which in my experience was an Eagle Project) It would be more of a fundraiser. I think this would be the way to go, but I do realize your point that Pastafarianism is not as wide spread to allow for fundraisers or such. The money idea is very simple, but anyone could become a cardinal or bishop or whatever. I feel as though the individual must do something for achieve that place in the hierarchy, instead of just buying it. But just like you I am also open to discussion and hope for something we can both agree on.
Rev. Brian wrote:I think I missed something here. Why do you want to be a Cardinal, Bishop, Archbishop, etc.? If you want to just jump straight to Pope, take up Discordianism and the consider yourself a Pope:
In Discordianism everyone is a genuine and authorized Pope.
Discordianism explicitly allows dual-religions, so there is no conflict with the Discordianists if you want to be a Pastafarian and a Discordian. Being that Pastafarians eschew dogma presumably this is true the other way around as well.
Enjoy your papacy.
Zac Reaves wrote:hmmmmm.....I like it! I only have two small problems. My first is how small the donation can be I think some will take advantage and just give a dollar even though they can give much more. I think there should be a 10, 15, or 25 dollar minimum. My second problem is people becoming a Cardinal just because they have the word cardinal in there name if you won't budge on this rule then I think they at least should be the rank required to be a Cardinal. Now for the topic of papacy. How shall a Pastafarian pope be picked. Shall the Cardinals elect him or shall we have a have a Electoral College thing going like each person on the Council of Olive Garden represents a region and pastafarians shall vote? I am interested to hear what you have, I do have a faint idea...but I would like to hear what you have first.
Dechujoh64 wrote:Rev. Brian wrote:If you want to just jump straight to Pope, take up Discordianism and the consider yourself a Pope.
No, No, No, No, and Oh, NO!
One last thing-----> Discordianism
dechujoh64 wrote:My next post I shall talk about the powers of the Pope and also what I think we should have to show who is what like in a banner.
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