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Postby Al Dante on Fri Jun 16, 2006 6:07 pm

I can see Qwerty's point here. Eastern religions introduced the concept to the west (and a lot longer ago, with much more influence on the development of "western" religion, than most people realize), but today the concept is pervasive and not always directly or visibly tied to those eastern sources.

- New Age beliefs in "remembering one's past lives" takes reincarnation completely for granted. That there is little connection with real eastern beliefs is demonstrated by how many New Agers claim to have been Cleopatra in a past life -- which by the Dharmic traditions I'm familiar with, would imply that they'd lived very poorly since then. Having been a slave or a rat 40 past-lives ago would do them more credit.

- Speaking of rats, there appears to be a reincarnation-believing subculture among furries, as one possible explanation of the nature and origin of their animal identities.

- Native American and Inuit traditions include reincarnation, which must therefore have either developed independently or had a common origin with Asian traditions well before recorded history.

- 19th-century spiritism adopted reincarnation with little else of the eastern traditions. From there it seems to have become a standard element in the pop-culture envelope of "magic" in general. Thus, for instance, in TV series in which "magic is real," reincarnation tends to come in by default among other things that are assumed to be "also real if magic is real," such as astrology, psychic powers, love potions, vampires, and familiars.

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Postby Qwertyuiopasd on Fri Jun 16, 2006 6:17 pm

pretty much. I just don't immidiately associsate reincarnation with hindusim.

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Cleopatra... creepy!

Postby NeferKa on Fri Jun 16, 2006 6:31 pm

When I hear of reincarnation, I typically think of Hinduism or Buddhism. I know there are others that believe in rebirth as well; the Wiccans I know acknowledge it. I know there are people who like it and say they were such-and-such famous person, but there isn't a religious tie to it. When people get hypnotized to discover their past lives, they typically can't answer questions such as does the money look like. That is why I said earlier that I believe that I am the reincarnation of someone who thought she was Cleopatra VII reincarnated.

What I don't like is the idea that people are born at an advantage or disadvantage due to past life behavior. Regardless of if that is true or not, it is used as a tool of oppression.

So, when I die, I want someone to be on the lookout for me when I come back, to spread the Noodly word! Maybe there can be a big party or something. Either that, or maybe it will be cliché for people to say they were me in a past life like they say they were Cleopatra... creepy!
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Postby Qwertyuiopasd on Fri Jun 16, 2006 6:39 pm

what if someone later in the century turns out to be the incarnation of Mrs. Cleo?
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Postby NeferKa on Thu Jun 22, 2006 2:54 am

I read your post wrong, qwertyuiopasd. I thought you were asking about Miss Cleo, that psychic that used to be on television commercials a few years ago! That would be strange to claim that one is the reincarnation of her!
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Postby Qwertyuiopasd on Thu Jun 22, 2006 10:07 am

I typed it wrong... see, even if teachers are divorced or never married, they'll often just have you call the Mrs. whatever. but yeah, I meant Miss Cleo. and yeh, it would be frekay
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