So wait, you make a claim and when I ask you to defend it, you claim it isn't your job?
While I often take that approach to what I assume to be common sense situations, I'm starting to understand why it is people hate it when I do so.
Ok fair enough. You don't appear to be very original so perhaps I'll go over one of the more common reasons "femi-nazi" so dislike the Catholic Church.
And yes, I already know I completed some internet law where the longer a topic goes the closer one gets to mentioning Nazi's yadayadayda. I would call her an "ultra feminist" or some such but I just got me a new Nazi blasting game for the 360 (Points of Conflict. The game sucks. For God's sakes it involves killing Nazi's in New York! How does a game like that suck! ::sigh::) thus my reason for the whole femi nazi thing.
1: Women can't be Priest's
Well duh. The reason they can't be priest's is because the Catholic Church has this little tidbit of theology called "In Persona Christi" (Sp. My Latin isn't what it used to be)
The reasoning goes that A Catholic Priest is actting in Christ's stead here on Earth. Since Christ is a male, so too then must the priest.
Just as a man can not be a mother, nor can a women be a father, so then must a Priest be a man.
http://www.catholiceducation.org/articl ... p0001.html
Pope John Paul says that â€œthe fact the Blessed Virgin Mary... received neither the mission proper to the apostles nor the ministerial priesthood clearly shows that the non admission of women to priestly ordination cannot mean that women are of lesser dignity, nor can it be construed as discrimination against them.â€
And then we have a blog from a dear friend of mine and a hell of a theologion.
This is from a blogger on myspace who calls her self Catholic Suaso OblSB .
http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fusea ... =362488040
God: Him or Her?
Category: Religion and Philosophy
This is an article which my theology professor wanted us to read for a discussion. It was written by a feminist nun who wants to call God Sophia because she doesn't like the idea of him being male...Her statements are in bold and my comments are not in bold. This ariticle was written by Elizabeth Johnson, CSJ.
"When you whispered a prayer this morningâ€¦to whom exactly did you pray? An old man with a beard somewhere beyond the clouds1? Sophia, otherwise known as Holy Wisdom2? The Holy Spirit? Jesus?"
1) Elementary view of God.
2) If you are a Gnostic, sure.
"God is too often still a 'chap3.' It's just assumed that God is the single individual with more power than anyone else4 who intervenes every now and then to get certain things done5, and whom you need to satisfy on a number of levels6...this image is so unworthy of us7."
3) A Chum? A fellow?
4) Probably because he created the universe and is the cause of all things which exist and are also not him. He has more power because he is the origin of all power.
5) Likeâ€¦redemption? There he intervened in the incarnation for the salvation of his creation.
6) Yes, we must make satisfaction, as it was us who first offended him, not the other way around. We satisfy him trough a number of levels when we worship him and repent of our sinfulness.
7) So we are too good to be asked to condescend to God's expectations by seeing him as the all-powerful creator, who in his mercy, intervened in our existence (which he caused) and redeemed us, and is still so audacious to expect us to pray to him, pay him homage, and repent of our evil ways just because of his redeeming work? Maybe he should thank us for still putting his name on our currency!
"My daily bread is teaching college students and graduate students8, and I find among them that this image just doesn't work, especially as they rebel against their parents9â€¦it's even less attractive to have the super-parent idea of God10â€¦I see a terrific hunger for a mature faith, but that's not being fed11â€¦"
Wow, mine is the Eucharist. Boy, I am missing out.
9) Aww, these poor rebellious students who hate their parents aren't happy with Abba Father!
10) Yeah, how dare God think that he can bring us into existence and still tell us what to do! What a Fascist!
11) If teens rebelling against their parents are really hungry for a mature faith, then maybe they should grow up and maturely adhere to the Judeo-Christian concept of "Honor thy father and thy mother."
" In the Middle Agesâ€¦ideas about God were drawn mainly from scripture12"
12) Yay! I glad somebody got it right!
"What is forgottenâ€¦is that this God became incarnate13, that God is everywhere present in the Spirit14, that God is filled with compassion15."
13) Yesâ€¦as a man, I remember!
14) Is God everywhere or present in the Spirit? I can accept that his Spirit is everywhere, but if this is headed into the pantheistic direction which suggests that God is in everything, then forget itâ€¦
15) Who forgot the compassion of God?
"The Trinity has just about been lost forever in the Westâ€¦the Holy Spirit is the Cinderella of Western theology, in the kitchen doing all the work while the other two get to go to the ball16"
16) This is theologically inaccurate, and if anyone believes it, then I it is because of poor catechesis. This implies that the Holy Spirit is separate from Father and Son, and that only one persona of the Trinity is doing anything, when in fact, if one does it, they all do it. Yes, certain attributes are used to clarify specific functions of each persona, but this does not limit the Trinity in any way. I supposed the Holy Spirit was doing all the work while Jesus was enjoying himself at the crucifixion by this logic. God is a Trinity, not a triumvirate.
"The three major words for God are still Father, King, and Lordâ€¦What this sets up unconsciouslyâ€¦is the assumption that men have more in common with divinity than women do17. Those three particular images are very patriarchalâ€¦they referâ€¦to a ruling maleâ€¦somebody who is dominating18â€¦"
17) This sets up very consciously that men have more in common with the roles of father, king, and lord than do women, who would be mother, queen, and lady.
18) Images aside, God is dominating by his own right. The creator has authority over the creation, and rightly so, as it is the creation which owes all of its existence to the creator, for without the creator it would not exist, and it's very existence is a gift undeserved. God can dominate all he wants, and if those images make his dominance all the clearer, then so be it.
"That's [Father, Lord, King] one of those static ideas that does not feed the souls of a lot of people19."
19) How does it not? As father, he provides for his creation. Historically, it has always been the male who provides, from the Paleolithic age to the present, by hunting for food and building shelter and providing protection. The lord is the master of an area of influence, and it is God who is the master of his creation. A king is an absolute monarch who governs and maintains law and order. God is a king, he has given us his law, and only within his law can their be any order. These "static" ideas are quite appropriate.
"There's little that women then can bring into a relationship with God who is going to be their lord, king, or their father20â€¦Women think ' I don't want a dominating man: Go away until you grow up and learn how to treat me like a human being21.' "
20) There is much women can bring to the relationship! Women, like men, must acknowledge God as lord by being obedient to him, God as father by honoring him as he tells us to honor our own parents because he is the provider for us, and God as king because he has given us his laws to live by so that we may rightly inherit his kingdom.
21) Then is a woman thinks this way, perhaps she should grow up and quit making God in her image. God treats men and women like humans beings well enough, because he created us to be human beings, and knows more so than anyone what it is to be a human being simply through the act of creating us. He knows us even more so through his becoming like us in all but sin during the incarnation. Who are we to tell him how he should treat is? Does a painting tell the painter where it should be hanged? No, and God as the creator of humanity has every right to treat his creation as he does, and knowing humanity more than mankind knows itself, he has every right to treat us as he does.
"We women have to abstract ourselves from our bodies to see ourselves in the image of God is God is always depicted as male22."
22) This statement greatly detracts from the woman's ability to think and reason abstractly. It implies that women are somehow not intelligent enough to see how we are created in the image of God if he is always depicted as male. It implies we can not see the theological implications of God being like a father and still understand the theological implications of being made in the image and likeness of God. We are made in the image of God, not physically as male or female, because God is in reality neither, but by being created in his image we have the ability to think in reason, albeit not as perfectly as God, but like God.
"The notion of God as the one who embraces us, in whom we live and move and have our being, is so much more my sense of God then the grand old man in the sky23."
23) Well, then grow up and see the metaphor that paints God as an old man in the sky. This statement almost seems to imply that men are not embracing, and that only women can exhibit the compassion which God possesses. This suggest that men can note exhibit compassion, and moves beyond feminism and into anti-masculinism.
"I was absolutely conscious of Sophia24 embracing him [dying friend] and me in this crisis."
24) Who is this Sophia? Is God now a quadrinity? If Sophia is wisdom, and Jesus is the Word made flesh, then is not wisdom but an aspect of the Word, which makes wisdom another attribute of the Word, Jesus? This use of 'Sophia' to describe God reeks of Gnosticism. The Lord commanded his disciples to baptize all nations in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Sophia was not an option.
The whole notion of God being the Father comes to us from his Son, Jesus, who said to pray to him as our Father. Jesus himself was male. Mary is espoused to the Holy Spirit, and I hate to think she is espoused to a woman. Sure, God is genderless, but his roles are more akin to masculinity, and it is insulting to males to insist that only a woman, a mother, could ever be nurturing and loving as God is. God is perfection. He can be as nurturing and loving as he pleases, and it is the responsibility of human males to seek to practice in a like manner his love and compassion.
For now I'll stick with that. BTW, I like my sandwich's lightly toasted and with the cheese melted. Thanks!