Response from Mrs. Janet Waugh - District 1 - Received 6/25/05

From: JWaugh1052@[xxxxxxx]
To: bobby.henderson@gmail.com
Date: Jun 25, 2005 6:34 AM
Subject: Response from a member of the Kansas Board of Education

Thanks for your comments about the Flying Spaghetti Monster and all the supporters who have sent their support to members of the Kansas Board of Education. I am supporting the recommendations of the science committee and am currently in the minority. I think your theory is wonderful and possibly some of the majority members will be willing to support it.

Thanks again,

Janet Waugh District 1

Response from Mrs. Sue Gamble - District 2 - Received 6/26/05

From: msgamble@[xxxxxxxxx]
To: bobby.henderson@gmail.com
Date: Jun 26, 2005 6:34 PM
Subject: Reply

Dear Mr. Henderson, Thanks for your message. Thanks for the laugh. Your web site is fascinating. I will add your theory to a long list of alternative theories I intend to introduce when it is appropriate. I am practicing how to do this with a straight face which is difficult since it’s such a ridiculous subject; it is also very sad that we are even having the discussion.

I will be one of the four member minority who will be voting against the flawed science standards currently being proposed by the six member majority.

Sincerely,

Sue Gamble

Response from Mrs. Carol Rupe - District 8 - Received 8/16/05

From: Carol Rupe
To: bobby.henderson@gmail.com
Date: Aug 16, 2005 8:19 AM
Subject: Kansas State Board of Education

Dear Mr. Henderson,

In the midst of the sad circumstances of having our science standards lowered, you and your legion of fellow FSM followers have offered wonderful comic relief. Rather than the form letters which we often receive on other topics, each FSM letter has been clever and unique. I responded to several at first, but now there have just been too many. I am a member of the Kansas State Board of Education and have voted repeatedly to maintain excellent science standards. Last week was the vote to send a new draft (written by the 6 conservative members) out for external review. The four of us on the board who are moderates were in the minority on the vote. The group of science teachers and university professors who had written the original standards (before they were changed) have now asked that their names be withdrawn from the document. The new version changes the very definition of science from “seeking natural explanations” to “seeking logical explanations”. That is why I think FSMism is able to be included. It is as “logical” as any other theory.

The final vote on the standards will be in October. We will be in Lawrence, Kansas for that meeting. Those of us who are moderates on the board are trying to have the meeting in the Natural History Museum at the University of Kansas. We think that would be an appropriate setting for the occasion. We welcome you to be in attendance.

We have received thousands of emails from scientists around the world. At first, they all tried to explain good science to us. After the vote last week, however, they have resorted to calling us hillbillies and morons. And those are the nice letters!

Thank you for adding levity to this situation. You have developed quite a following. I was wondering if we could reverse the effects of global warming if we started breeding pirates.

Sincerely,
Carol Rupe

P.S. I ordered a Kansas Museum of Science t-shirt. I may just have to wear it to a board meeting.

From: Mrs. Kathy Martin, District 6

“It is a serious offense to mock God.”

1171 Responses to “Kansas School Board Responses to the Open Letter”

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  1. 121 - October 27th, 2006 at - Mac N. Cheeze Says:

    Sorry for the words which were spelled wrong in my posting .. I would have run spell check, but my pasta pot boileth over and it hurts !!!

  2. 122 - October 27th, 2006 at - Cheesus Christ Says:

    I Cheesus Christ, the Son of our God, ask you to procalim his kingdom, with the following:

    Our father who art on a plate, Tasty be his sauce, thy kingdom come,thy meatballs will be cooked, on the inside as they are on the outside, give us this day our garlic bread, and forgive us of our spilt pasta, as we forgive those who spilt pasta on us,and lead us into fine italian wine, but deliver us from cheap wine. RAMEN

  3. 123 - October 27th, 2006 at - SaucyWench Says:

    Ok, so females can be pirates, but does that mean they aren’t wenchy anymore? I’ve come to respect my inner wench. I guess it’s up to me to define what kind of pirate I want to be. How about Cap’n Saucy? Keep the Saucy, drop the Wench, and assume command of my own ship. I like it! Thanks for empowering me yet again, FSM.

  4. 124 - October 27th, 2006 at - Cap'n Saucy Says:

    I’m trying it on for size. AAAArrrrrrrggggghhhhhh!

  5. 125 - October 27th, 2006 at - J Says:

    Yarrr, Cap’n Saucy, ye know as well as the rest of us that ye can take the wench out of the sauce, but ye can’t take the sauce out of the wench.
    .
    All’s shipshape ‘n’ Bristol fashion, cap’n. Awaitin’ orders…

  6. 126 - October 27th, 2006 at - Cap'n Saucy Says:

    ‘Tis unmercifully true! Aarrgh! We be turnin’ her athwartships. Bring yer cackle fruit to the fo’c’s’le fur hurlin’ at the dreaded Fundies!

  7. 127 - October 28th, 2006 at - maryishome Says:

    Im trying to find good resources to add to my blog.
    Anyone know good websites for stuff to buy online? Thanks!

  8. 128 - October 28th, 2006 at - Mike Says:

    I think everyone pretty well covered this topic. I am a christian, and I have a hard time with the evolution theory, much like anyone else who may have conflict over “evolving” from some race of ape. I think that, even though our history goes back 7,000 years, or so (and early history is dicey, at best), eventually, someone will feel rather funny about presenting the “Evolution” theory, no matter how much “evidence” there is. There is evidence on either side of the fence, if you ask me. A well-known crackpot, Nostradamus, made predictions about the demise of man. Perhaps at the time, his ideas and methods could be considered scientific. But, there is no proof that any of his predictions have come to pass. The same could be argued of the Bible, Flying Spaghetti-Monsterism, and as easily about evolution. There is only evidence, and a best guess was made with all the available clues. To teach I.D. as science is as inappropriate as teaching physics as a religion. There is no proof, only overwhelming evidence, and a theory was presented. Nuclear Physics works, for now. but as time progresses, we may change a few of our concepts on it, as we prove ourselves wrong; and we do often. Science has taught us a great deal on how to do. Faith can teach us how to be. I argue, and challenge, that if there is even a science class offered at any school in America, then there should also be a faith or religious class. Many people were active in retaining “In God we trust” on our money, and keeping “Under God” in the pledge of allegience. 92% of the country can’t all be wrong. Science can NOT disprove God, only conclude that it isn’t the easiest explanation. What’s easier: A hapless puddle of amino acids combined, and formed basic proteins, to single-celed organisms, and after a few million years, dinosaurs crawled out of the ocean, giant asteroid, apes/ and then man. Sounds sort of complex to me. Unless the same thing can be duplicated in a lab, I say, whatever. A supreme being snapped it’s fingers (or clammy, tomato-covered tentacle), and everything just was. It’s all in the delivery. One theory can be made just as viable as the next. Who is to say who is right? Was anybody there at the time? No? Well, then, why is any one of these any more believeable than the other? Why is only one of them being taught in school? I say, let the pirates go, and hail to spaghetti!

  9. 129 - October 28th, 2006 at - phantom spaceman Says:

    Dear Mrs. Carol Rupe,

    I love you… if I were into girls, I’d kidnap you and your husband, drag you to Utah, and marry you myself!
    I, along with the entire world, thank you for being smart!

    yay for brains!…
    delicious brains.

  10. 130 - October 28th, 2006 at - Cheesus Christ. Says:

    I Cheesus Christ, the Son of our God, ask you to procalim his kingdom, with the following:

    Our father who art on a plate, Tasty be his sauce, thy kingdom come,thy meatballs will be cooked, on the inside as they are on the outside, give us this day our garlic bread, and forgive us of our spilt pasta, as we forgive those who spilt pasta on us,and lead us into fine italian wine, but deliver us from cheap wine. RAMEN

  11. 131 - October 28th, 2006 at - westhighlander Says:

    Westy here again

    You humans have caught on to most of it, but you’re missing a few points:

    1) A dog can burry and dig up the same bone, toy, or just dig a hole often and still find pleasure
    2) Scientists like to dig up new stuff — they get bored if the same old comes up too too many times
    3) There is a fundamental hierarchy of science:
    3a) Life is Evolution = Biology
    3b) Biology is just Chemistry with a particularly limited set of raw materials {mostly Hydrogen, Carbon, Oxygen atoms and some low energy photons and only works under a particularly limited set of physical conditions that mostly are incapable of permitting ionization except in solution
    3c) Chemistry is just a very boring set of physical processes where bound atoms predominate and photons and subatomic particles are mostly ignorable
    4) So — once we understand Physics — i.e. all matter and energy of the universe and its relationship {e.g. Big Bang with expansion and dark energy and all}
    4a) then we can simply distill down to the low energy range where atoms stay un-ionized {- added for clarity as to meaning} = Chemistry
    4b) Once we get Chemistry under control — then we can just deal with the minor subset of roughly room temperature where particularly long {order Billions of atoms} polymers remain roughly stable in solution == Biology and Life
    5) then all will be revealed
    6) in the mean time — we can keep having a good laugh at ourselves and our betters {aka dogs of all breeds including mutts {Pirate dogs?}}

    7) Finally — I offer the equally saucy and somewhat more creative Ignobel Prizes The winners have all done things that first make people LAUGH, then make them THINK.

    2006… 2005… 2004… 2003… 2002… 2001… 2000… 1999… 1998… 1997… 1996… 1995… 1994… 1993… 1992… 1991.

    8) see the website for more details:http://improbable.com/ig-pastwinners.html

    9) In 2003 with the theme of Nano the Ignobels premiered the mini-opera “Atom and Eve” that dealt with a particularly swashbuckling Oxygen atom {the anonymously named Atom} who dreams of combining with a particularly lovely scientist {Eve} – a pyrite like dream for a lowly Oxygen atom

    10) This summer at a scientific conference the 2006 Alpbach Technology Conference that brings business, government, science and other leaders from around the world and where attendees debate the significance of technological developments for the business world and society, as well as living standards, quality of life, and competitiveness — Frank Wilczek, The Herman Feshbach Professor of Physics at MIT and 2005 Nobel Laureate in Physics for work on subatomic particles indicating that distance makes the quarks grow fonder (or at least increases their attraction) – sang the lead role of Atom in Atom and Eve. – As far as is known this a first for a Physics Nobel

    10a) I suggest that at this year’s IgNobels there was a most appropriate prize – the PHYSICSIgNobel went to: Basile Audoly and Sebastien Neukirch of the Université Pierre et Marie Curie, in Paris, for their insights into why, when you bend dry spaghetti, it often breaks into more than two pieces.
    REFERENCE: “Fragmentation of Rods by Cascading Cracks: Why Spaghetti Does Not Break in Half,” Basile Audoly and Sebastien Neukirch, Physical Review Letters, vol. 95, no. 9, August 26, 2005, pp. 95505-1 to 95505-1.
    REFERENCE: video and other details at

    Arrrrrrrrghhhhh fetch me a bone you wench

    westy

  12. 132 - October 28th, 2006 at - manic oughty Says:

    Absolutely brilliant! Although I applaud the FSM Church in its efforts to improve educational standards in Medieval America, I’m wondering if we shouldn’t all let nature take its course and allow Americans to devolve into the bloated, cholesterol-riddled, zombified consumer-swine that they are destined to be. Oh, wait. It’s already happened. Never mind! Enjoy the implosion, o ye of dim wit.

  13. 133 - October 29th, 2006 at - Jordan Says:

    Wouldn’t it be ironic if Mrs. Martin’s death involved pasta?

  14. 134 - October 29th, 2006 at - nikkiee Says:

    Well done Westy!
    RAmen

  15. 135 - October 30th, 2006 at - Sigsegv Says:

    This is a response to Xaos, and all international FSM fans, explaining how (most) public school districts in the United States address the issue of Religion in schools. Please add to this response if I’ve left something out. This response is based on my own experiences, so I may have missed something, somewhere…

    The public school system in the United States, depending on the district, has no “Religion” or Theology-flavored topic whatsoever. I understand this is somewhat different from that of Europe, which often treats Theology as a separate topic, much like History or Biology. I find it interesting in its own right, especially if the “Theology” classes are surveys of many religions, rather than focusing on a particular religion. Citizens of the US, at least the left-leaning ones, consider religious philosophy taught in (public) schools to be a violation of the separation of church versus state, so carefully (and yet, not so) outlined in the US constitution.

    As is obvious from the FSM site, there are strong feelings in the US (and elsewhere, of course) that Christianity, it its many forms, will be forced upon citizens by the government — in this case, the citizens are children, and the governmen is the public school. That is, ID (Intelligent Design) commonly refers to the Christian version of ID, though there are many, many, *MANY* others.

    Notably, Christians in the US are not united in supporting ID in public schools. Many even oppose the idea, out of respect for the religious (or non-religious) beliefs of others. Sadly, there are still examples in many public school districts of Christian favoriatism, either in classroom content, preferential support for Christian extra-curricular activities, or simply observance of Christian relgious holidays with no regard for non-Christian holidays.

  16. 136 - October 30th, 2006 at - J Says:

    @ All pastafarians, atheists, humanists, Brights, and free-thinkers,
    .
    Ahoy there!
    .
    I’m copying this post onto a few threads because I’d like as many people as possible to notice it. (Bobby, if you should read this, is there any chance of a new thread?)
    .
    You might have spotted on these pages Richard Dawkins’ high-profile references to the FSM, unmasking himself as at the very least an honorary pastafarian and certainly a friend of pirates the world over. He’s done his bit for the FSM – here’s a chance to return the favour.
    .
    His many books on evolution and, in particular, his recent book ‘The God Delusion’ have influenced a lot of people here.
    .
    Anyway, here in Britain, one of our national newspapers, The Daily Telegraph, in conjunction with Morgan Stanley, is running the third annual ‘Great Britons’ awards. People are invited to vote for the British person they think has been the most ‘Great’ (somehow) in each of seven categories.
    .
    Me salty guts tell me that a hearty lot of pirates’ll want to support their own and put their cutlasses behind Richard Dawkins, by far and away Britain’s noodliest man of 2006, and doubtless also he of the biggest meatballs.
    .
    I nominated him earlier today, in the ‘Campaigning’ category. You can add your nominations by visiting greatbritons.org. It takes barely a minute and might help one of the FSM’s finest sea-dogs to the gain the legendary status he deserves. You can even put in a 50-word explanation of why he gets your vote, which would probably strengthen the case (if you’ve anything to say). If you’d like to know more about him, try visiting richarddawkins.net.
    .
    Douglas Adams fans might like to note that Dawkins and Adams were close friends and that Adams credited Dawkins’ books ‘The Blind Watchmaker’ and ‘The Selfish Gene’ as having influenced his reasoning towards atheism. Dawkins wrote a ‘Lament for Douglas’ immediately after Adams’ death, and delivered a eulogy at his funeral.
    .
    I’ve a second reason for recommending this. The Telegraph ran an article by regular columnist Charles Moor on Saturday that dismissed ‘The God Delusion’ as ‘fashionable’ and gave a very selective, wilfully interpreted representation of its content. It’s a good newspaper but pretty thoroughly conservative – not an obvious place for pastafarianism to thrive. In light of this, I think it doubly worthwhile to demonstrate the strength of support that Richard enjoys among the world’s many pirates to the Telegraph.
    .
    (Note – I’ve left http:// off the website addresses in this post, as the first couple of times I tried to post it, it got stuck awaiting moderation. Hopefully this’ll help.)
    .
    Nominations for the awards continue until November 24th. If ye can spare a second of plunderin’ time, set a course for greatbritons.org and add your cannon to a broadside for free thinking and the FSM!
    .
    May His Noodly Appendage be upon ye all.
    .
    RAmen

  17. 137 - October 30th, 2006 at - short john sliver Says:

    For the Kanass eds. The hills are alive with the sound of billies. Pasta damn you.

  18. 138 - November 1st, 2006 at - janvaljan Says:

    look at these adult photos
    pictures of bambine

  19. 139 - November 1st, 2006 at - LiberalDrummerBoy Says:

    Honestly I think this entire thing is ridiculous. Six conservative idiots should not be allowed to change the entire science curriculum of an entire state to a religious school. I’m Catholic, and I still think it’s stupid to teach religion in a science class. The Bible is NOT scientific evidence!!! FSM is such a great way to represent the stupidity of the average American today… as is the fact that George W. Bush is still president.

    And I’m pretty sure God is forgiving, Mrs. Kathy Martin. Especially in cases of hilarious mocking that is only being used to display the stupidity and unfairness of the world today.

    Sincerely,

    Me

  20. 140 - November 1st, 2006 at - Geek Says:

    Dear Spaghetti Monster, woman (Mrs Martin): How ignorant can you be??

    As Einstein once said:
    Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I’m not sure about the universe
    I think you proved that point! Congrats

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An elaborate spoof on Intelligent Design, The Gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster is neither too elaborate nor too spoofy to succeed in nailing the fallacies of ID. It's even wackier than Jonathan Swift's suggestion that the Irish eat their children as a way to keep them from being a burden, and it may offend just as many people, but Henderson, described elsewhere as a 25-year-old "out-of-work physics major," puts satire to the same serious use that Swift did. Oh, yes, it is very funny. -- Scientific American




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