Response from Mrs. Janet Waugh - District 1 - Received 6/25/05

From: JWaugh1052@[xxxxxxx]
To: bobby.henderson@gmail.com
Date: Jun 25, 2005 6:34 AM
Subject: Response from a member of the Kansas Board of Education

Thanks for your comments about the Flying Spaghetti Monster and all the supporters who have sent their support to members of the Kansas Board of Education. I am supporting the recommendations of the science committee and am currently in the minority. I think your theory is wonderful and possibly some of the majority members will be willing to support it.

Thanks again,

Janet Waugh District 1

Response from Mrs. Sue Gamble - District 2 - Received 6/26/05

From: msgamble@[xxxxxxxxx]
To: bobby.henderson@gmail.com
Date: Jun 26, 2005 6:34 PM
Subject: Reply

Dear Mr. Henderson, Thanks for your message. Thanks for the laugh. Your web site is fascinating. I will add your theory to a long list of alternative theories I intend to introduce when it is appropriate. I am practicing how to do this with a straight face which is difficult since it’s such a ridiculous subject; it is also very sad that we are even having the discussion.

I will be one of the four member minority who will be voting against the flawed science standards currently being proposed by the six member majority.

Sincerely,

Sue Gamble

Response from Mrs. Carol Rupe - District 8 - Received 8/16/05

From: Carol Rupe
To: bobby.henderson@gmail.com
Date: Aug 16, 2005 8:19 AM
Subject: Kansas State Board of Education

Dear Mr. Henderson,

In the midst of the sad circumstances of having our science standards lowered, you and your legion of fellow FSM followers have offered wonderful comic relief. Rather than the form letters which we often receive on other topics, each FSM letter has been clever and unique. I responded to several at first, but now there have just been too many. I am a member of the Kansas State Board of Education and have voted repeatedly to maintain excellent science standards. Last week was the vote to send a new draft (written by the 6 conservative members) out for external review. The four of us on the board who are moderates were in the minority on the vote. The group of science teachers and university professors who had written the original standards (before they were changed) have now asked that their names be withdrawn from the document. The new version changes the very definition of science from “seeking natural explanations” to “seeking logical explanations”. That is why I think FSMism is able to be included. It is as “logical” as any other theory.

The final vote on the standards will be in October. We will be in Lawrence, Kansas for that meeting. Those of us who are moderates on the board are trying to have the meeting in the Natural History Museum at the University of Kansas. We think that would be an appropriate setting for the occasion. We welcome you to be in attendance.

We have received thousands of emails from scientists around the world. At first, they all tried to explain good science to us. After the vote last week, however, they have resorted to calling us hillbillies and morons. And those are the nice letters!

Thank you for adding levity to this situation. You have developed quite a following. I was wondering if we could reverse the effects of global warming if we started breeding pirates.

Sincerely,
Carol Rupe

P.S. I ordered a Kansas Museum of Science t-shirt. I may just have to wear it to a board meeting.

From: Mrs. Kathy Martin, District 6

“It is a serious offense to mock God.”

1144 Responses to “Kansas School Board Responses to the Open Letter”

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  1. 61 - October 8th, 2006 at 8:53 am - Xandero Says:

    Y’know, I’m a Catholic, and I’m not offended at all about the Flying Spaghetti Monster. I do think it’s ridiculous that creationism would be taught in a science class. Honestly, I think creationism is a crock of shit. It comes from fundamentalists who interpret the bible literally, instead of actually thinking about the period that it came from, usually through oral tradition. Who says that you can’t be a Christian and still believe in evolution, how do you know that God didn’t make us evolve?

  2. 62 - October 8th, 2006 at 9:30 am - Justin Says:

    As a christian, I think this is hilarious. Time and time again science has proven the church wrong, from the flat world and The Inquisitors belief of Jews starting earthquakes(comes from Candide, funny book). ANyone who thinks otherwise is a moron! dont take it seriously. and xandero, good point. creationism is a crock of shit and has no scientific basing. In religious studies II(I am a sophmore in high school) We learn that the bible was written by people who spoke to God. Personally, i think God must have FEDEXed narcotic shrooms to ppl and gave them a stone and chisel. seriously, spoken to by God is a long shot, and these books were mostly from oral tradition. With myriad proof of evolution and a Bible to prove ID, you holier-than-thou christians need to step back and sla yourself. Thank you and may the Power of FSM be with you always and forever.
    Yarrmen
    Justin

  3. 63 - October 8th, 2006 at 9:31 am - Justin Says:

    As a christian, I think this is hilarious. Time and time again science has proven the church wrong, from the flat world and The Inquisitors belief of Jews starting earthquakes(comes from Candide, funny book). ANyone who thinks otherwise is a moron! dont take it seriously. and xandero, good point. creationism is a crock of shit and has no scientific basing. In religious studies II(I am a sophmore in high school) We learn that the bible was written by people who spoke to God. Personally, i think God must have FEDEXed narcotic shrooms to ppl and gave them a stone and chisel. seriously, spoken to by God is a long shot, and these books were mostly from oral tradition. With myriad proof of evolution and a Bible to prove ID, you holier-than-thou christians need to step back and slap yourself. Thank you and may the Power of FSM be with you always and forever.
    Yarrmen
    Justin

  4. 64 - October 8th, 2006 at 4:03 pm - Nomad Says:

    What i tink is wierd is that for some reason it is perfectly acceptable for christians to say that scienentifis theory is false without a bit of proof yet we offer them every bit of proof they could possibly need that Intelligent Design is wrong and they get all offended. I think faith has a seriously important place in the world but it is helping depressed and confused people find hope not corrupting the science curiculum that could lead to us finding a cure for AIDS, or cancer, or any number of genetic deseases.
    RAmen

  5. 65 - October 8th, 2006 at 9:18 pm - duke Says:

    Thank you for showing me the light. I am no longer a atheist. I have finally found my belief in the great noodled one.

  6. 66 - October 9th, 2006 at 2:17 am - Rigster Says:

    So, will his Noodleness send down a son to rid us of our sins? The Noodle, the Lasagne & the Holy Garlic Bread? Is there a noodley hell - ruled by his Unsalted, Cucumbery king of the salad hell?

    Comments …..

  7. 67 - October 9th, 2006 at 4:33 am - The Aussie Says:

    no pastafarian hell. That goes against our religion. We just get to laugh at them in our heaven as they toil eternally supplying the beer volcano with fresh yeast, hops and barley.

  8. 68 - October 9th, 2006 at 12:37 pm - Oh Noodly WRATH Says:

    Hmmmmmm As a non participant in the religion world what so ever. I want to say hats up to all you individuals that have contributed to this lenghty and illuminating debate on the merrits of world religions, science and his benevolence the great FSM and those right wing extremists the SSM. As a non conformist i tend to believe in the romantic relm of the Pirate who spend their existance sailing the heavens creating mayhem and havoc in their wake. It if wasn’t for them and their daring excapades we wouldn’t be here enjoying the merrits of their exploits. Evolution. religion, science and beliefs are all for some reason tied together and now we spend endless days deciding “what is and what was”. So i say what ever you choose to believe, and have faith in then go with that descision and please have an open mind and don’t try to condem another for their chosen path.

    All hail the all mighty, less startchy, FSM or what ever form you chose him/her/it to appear in…..some one once said “life is what you make of it”

    ok “GROUP HUG” everybody

  9. 69 - October 9th, 2006 at 3:03 pm - Tani (futsal-man) Says:

    hi there. great stuff! i´ve spent about half an hour reading your posts!!
    i had to “suffer” religion until the age of 12/13, being bombarded with religion and how we must follow what god said. luckily, my sister managed to open my eyes before it was too late! (i will thank her forever for this!). right now, whenever i read anything to do with religion, i can´t help to just stare and think: “what the f**k?” as if you cant be a “good” person unless you believe in god. they taught me that believing was right, and not believing was wrong. they never told me i was allowed to decide what way to go. i really think this is all fairy tales, and BY NO MEANS should they force kids to believe all that stuff. schools should teach both religous theories and evolutionary theories (i think that´s how u say it!), and let kids decide. i´m sure this way religion would eventually enter the history lessons…as most (if not all) religious adults are religious because they were brought up in a religious atmosphere (parents, SCHOOL, culture,etc etc).
    i consider myself a good person; does that mean i go to hell cause i don´t believe in god? come on!…
    Religion=MAFIA or SECT.
    i respect religious points of view, cause i believed in god not long ago… now i believe in MYSELF and in the FLYING SPAGUETTI MONSTER!!!
    peace in the world dudes! and play Futsal! and thank you sister!!!

  10. 70 - October 9th, 2006 at 3:09 pm - Tani (futsal-man) Says:

    Oh yeah, i forgot to mention: like John Lennon said:- “imagine there´s nothing to fight for, and no religion too”.
    the words of this song really touch my soul……

  11. 71 - October 9th, 2006 at 4:13 pm - Jason-Yup I'm in the Bible Belt! Says:

    As long as the mighty noodly one does not tell you to begin a genecide I’m cool with the whole ‘Holy Italian’ thing. My problem is this…. every religious group has it’s fanaticals… Muslims, Christians, Witchcraft, etc… so why is it that all Christians get thrown into this boiling pot of together of people to make fun of, when everyone seems to understand that there are “good witches,” and not all Muslims want to fly a plane into a building? I have all the same general beliefs as a Christian and I want to keep it that way… and even some day when I die, if I am proven wrong what’s the problem with the way I chose to live my life..? do you feel it’s ok to verbally trash the choice I made for my life… maybe we’re not the radicals…?

  12. 72 - October 9th, 2006 at 7:31 pm - SaucyWench Says:

    Jason,

    I have nothing against Christianity or Christians. Well, I guess that isn’t true. I have a great deal against some Christians and the way they practice Christianity. I have respect for people who try to live their lives according to what Jesus taught, minus the fundamentalist interpretations and bastardization of Jesus’ basic message. Some of the best people I know are Christians. I’ve even been accused of being a good Christian by an ex-boyfriend who loved to aggrevate me. His point was that, although I do not believe or follow the Christian teachings, I try to live that way anyway because I am a good person. That being said, yes, I think it is ok to verbally trash Christianity when the fanatics are doing their thing. This is the only place I do trash Christianity. I don’t go to Christian websites at all, let alone to bash Christianity. We’re just doing our thing, and some fundies come here and attack us. They’re asking for it, if you ask me.

  13. 73 - October 9th, 2006 at 8:16 pm - GlueBag CowBurner Says:

    I am a Jew, but I don’t believe in God. I don’t deny the existence of God, because it cannot be proven wrong. This is why ID should NOT be taught in schools. In order to be cpnsodered a scientific hypothesis, let alone a scientific theory, the subject in question must be able to be proved wrong. You can’t prove that God exists, and you can’t prove that he doesn’t exist. This is what (at least I think) FSM is all about. To make people like you realize how delusional you are, and how unscientific your arguements are. And if your going to teach ID, you miht as well teach that Promethius made humans and gave them fire, and was punished for near-eternity by Zeus. Of course you can’t prove that right. BUT YOU CAN”T PROVE IT WRONG! you can’t, try as you may, prove that FSM does not exist. But I have one question. How does FSM look like spaghetti and meatballs if he’s invisible?

    WootXJ!

  14. 74 - October 9th, 2006 at 9:04 pm - Padraic Says:

    I would be like’n an answer to that one, me self. Not that it be changin’ a thing. Just a wonderin” inside me ol’ cannonball of a head.

  15. 75 - October 9th, 2006 at 9:21 pm - Padraic Says:

    To SaucyWinch,
    The label “christian” is just that, a tag that identifies you by someone else’s standard. Jesus had a lot on the ball. Most of the teachings, be they of his own thought or of other influence (it is obvious he was no stranger to Eastern philosophies) the messages hold true to today. Because someone professes to be a christian does not automatically display the person as a wonderful example of humanity. Look at non-christians such as the Dhali Lama, Thich Nat Hahn, and a multitude of other individuals that live a good life as best as they can. I can’t accept that these people are moving in the wrong direction. I personally believe that the basic precept causing no harm is the simple, most perfect direction a human can attempt to travel. When we do this, it is a trival comment to whether a person is a christian, atheist, agnostic, jewish, gay, straight, man, woman, short, tall, etc., etc. This characteristic does not rest in dogma, it resides in the heart and fiber of us. There is no need to justify, convert, or coherse…only to live in peace.

  16. 76 - October 10th, 2006 at 4:12 am - SaucyWench Says:

    Darn, a typo. I meant “aggravate,” not aggrevate. I think my ex-boyfriend aggrevated and aggrevated me too, for that matter.

  17. 77 - October 10th, 2006 at 9:53 am - Jason-Yup I'm in the Bible Belt! Says:

    Maybe one of the most difficult times it is to stand an be Christian is when it’s the ‘Christians’ themselves who are embarrasing the message of Christ… take the Baptist church in Kansas, not sure if this is exactly nation headline news, but they are picketing the funerals of soldiers saying that God hates the armed forces and are allowing the soldiers to die because the policy of allowing gays in the military… thank God I’m not a Baptist, because that would make the embarrament even worse!!!! Maybe if we can all get together, I will pray to God, and you can pray to the noodly one, and perhaps together they will smite down the ignorace of the picketers?

    One question about FSM religion… in order to be saved do you have to have the marinara sauce applied to your heart?

  18. 78 - October 10th, 2006 at 2:57 pm - Bobby joe Says:

    Dear Miroslav,

    I agree IN A WAY but if you want someone who know’s what they are teaching you religion wise you should go to a person who has studied it, but if they stop teaching about God in school than should’nt they not teach about Evolution..they are both theory’s about how the earth, us, and everything else on the earth is created so technically they can not just not teach one they would have totally have to stop teaching about all of them for it to really be fair to everyone and their religion…or they should just start teaching about all of the religions at that like buddism, athiestism, and all of them for it to totally be fair…So i beleve that no matter what it is not fair what theorys or religions they teach in school unless they teach all or none…

  19. 79 - October 10th, 2006 at 4:04 pm - SaucyWench Says:

    To Padriac,

    What you say makes sense. I completely agree with you. You don’t sound like one of those fundamentalist Christians that I have no problem trashing. I guess it would be more evolved of me to not bash anyone, yet how can I live in peace when they, not I, are trying to coerce society (st least schoolchildren in Kansas) to learn their beliefs as science. I really don’t know what to do about that. I think Bobby has answered that problem brilliantly and non-violently.

  20. 80 - October 10th, 2006 at 6:22 pm - nyx Says:

    Bobby Joe,
    You said that it would be unfair to teach evolution in school but not to teach about God, and I have to disagree with you. Evolution is a theory, yes, but it is a SCIENTIFIC theory, not a spiritual one. Evolution is based upon observable evidence and belongs in the science classroom. There is no evidence of god outside the bible. God and the creation myths belong in a separate class on religion, and should never, EVER be presented to children as science. That’s what started Pastafarianism. Religion (and I mean ALL religions) should be taught as religion, not science. It is wrong to say that it is unfair to teach science and not to teach religion. They are two completely separate things.
    RAmen

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An elaborate spoof on Intelligent Design, The Gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster is neither too elaborate nor too spoofy to succeed in nailing the fallacies of ID. It's even wackier than Jonathan Swift's suggestion that the Irish eat their children as a way to keep them from being a burden, and it may offend just as many people, but Henderson, described elsewhere as a 25-year-old "out-of-work physics major," puts satire to the same serious use that Swift did. Oh, yes, it is very funny. -- Scientific American

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