Response from Mrs. Janet Waugh - District 1 - Received 6/25/05

From: JWaugh1052@[xxxxxxx]
To: bobby.henderson@gmail.com
Date: Jun 25, 2005 6:34 AM
Subject: Response from a member of the Kansas Board of Education

Thanks for your comments about the Flying Spaghetti Monster and all the supporters who have sent their support to members of the Kansas Board of Education. I am supporting the recommendations of the science committee and am currently in the minority. I think your theory is wonderful and possibly some of the majority members will be willing to support it.

Thanks again,

Janet Waugh District 1

Response from Mrs. Sue Gamble - District 2 - Received 6/26/05

From: msgamble@[xxxxxxxxx]
To: bobby.henderson@gmail.com
Date: Jun 26, 2005 6:34 PM
Subject: Reply

Dear Mr. Henderson, Thanks for your message. Thanks for the laugh. Your web site is fascinating. I will add your theory to a long list of alternative theories I intend to introduce when it is appropriate. I am practicing how to do this with a straight face which is difficult since it’s such a ridiculous subject; it is also very sad that we are even having the discussion.

I will be one of the four member minority who will be voting against the flawed science standards currently being proposed by the six member majority.

Sincerely,

Sue Gamble

Response from Mrs. Carol Rupe - District 8 - Received 8/16/05

From: Carol Rupe
To: bobby.henderson@gmail.com
Date: Aug 16, 2005 8:19 AM
Subject: Kansas State Board of Education

Dear Mr. Henderson,

In the midst of the sad circumstances of having our science standards lowered, you and your legion of fellow FSM followers have offered wonderful comic relief. Rather than the form letters which we often receive on other topics, each FSM letter has been clever and unique. I responded to several at first, but now there have just been too many. I am a member of the Kansas State Board of Education and have voted repeatedly to maintain excellent science standards. Last week was the vote to send a new draft (written by the 6 conservative members) out for external review. The four of us on the board who are moderates were in the minority on the vote. The group of science teachers and university professors who had written the original standards (before they were changed) have now asked that their names be withdrawn from the document. The new version changes the very definition of science from “seeking natural explanations” to “seeking logical explanations”. That is why I think FSMism is able to be included. It is as “logical” as any other theory.

The final vote on the standards will be in October. We will be in Lawrence, Kansas for that meeting. Those of us who are moderates on the board are trying to have the meeting in the Natural History Museum at the University of Kansas. We think that would be an appropriate setting for the occasion. We welcome you to be in attendance.

We have received thousands of emails from scientists around the world. At first, they all tried to explain good science to us. After the vote last week, however, they have resorted to calling us hillbillies and morons. And those are the nice letters!

Thank you for adding levity to this situation. You have developed quite a following. I was wondering if we could reverse the effects of global warming if we started breeding pirates.

Sincerely,
Carol Rupe

P.S. I ordered a Kansas Museum of Science t-shirt. I may just have to wear it to a board meeting.

From: Mrs. Kathy Martin, District 6

“It is a serious offense to mock God.”

1194 Responses to “Kansas School Board Responses to the Open Letter”

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  1. 241 - November 14th, 2006 at - jesus christ Says:

    vestigial organs may have a small purpose, but the purpose wasn’t as big back in the old times (which could go back way more than 6000 years)

  2. 242 - November 14th, 2006 at - nikkiee Says:

    Hi jesus. I couldn’t even be bothered to get into it tonight with the above post. It’s 1.30am and I’ve got to leave again in the morning.
    But I’ll leave a question for it if it returns. Why don’t snakes have legs??

  3. 243 - November 14th, 2006 at - J Says:

    @ Devil’s Advocate,
    .
    Careful with your arguments.
    .
    ‘Apperantly God thinks its OK since thats how he created us.’
    .
    That’s a cover-all. I could present any item of evidence that appears to suggest that a thinking god is unlikely or impossible, and you could give the same answer. It is the precise equivalent of our Pastafarian doctrine of the FSM changing all evidence everywhere so as to pretend not to exist. All you’re doing is putting your assumption that god exists *before* your attempts to think sensibly about things. This makes you impossible to reason with. As long as you keep doing this, you will be unable to reach any serious conclusions relating to religion or existence.

  4. 244 - November 14th, 2006 at - jesus christ Says:

    vestigial organs are definite proof of evolution. the reason the fundies denounce them is because they don’t want to sound stupid. just because the whales ‘hip bones’ may be used in sex (hahahaha) they definitly are no good for walking. i wish my hip could help me with sex. too bad its not vestigial.

    did i forget to mention that we have found fossils of whales with legs. however, they lived a very long time ago. i wonder what bullshit argument the fundies have for that.

  5. 245 - November 14th, 2006 at - nikkiee Says:

    Hi J.
    .
    Couple more question for our idiot design friend.
    Why are there so many different bacterium? Why are there so many different types of viruses? Why so many species of insects?……. god being lazy and all.

  6. 246 - November 14th, 2006 at - One Eyed Jack Says:

    nikkiee,
    .
    I think you’ll get a kick out of Julia Sweeney’s “Letting Go of God”. Check out this link.
    http://www.juliasweeney.com/letting_go_mini/index.html
    Go to “Sample Audio” and listen to the excerpt titled “Intelligent Design”.
    .
    OEJ

  7. 247 - November 14th, 2006 at - nikkiee Says:

    Thanks OEJ, I’ll have a listen. (if I can keep my eyes and ears open long enough)
    RAmen

  8. 248 - November 14th, 2006 at - nikkiee Says:

    @ Devil’s Advocate
    Here is a link for you that will help you to find out what it is you are actually arguing about. Up to the challenger to provide the evidence. It’s the way of science.
    I also believe in giving enough rope! It shouldn’t be too difficult for you to follow. It’s only a third year undergraduate text.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Search&db=books&doptcmdl=GenBookHL&term=Hox+Genes%3A+Descent+with+Modification+AND+dbio%5Bbook%5D+AND+132476%5Buid%5D&rid=dbio.section.5413

  9. 249 - November 14th, 2006 at - J Says:

    Ooh, thanks for finding that link, OEJ. Dawkins goes on about Sweeney’s show quite a lot in The God Delusion. It hadn’t occurred to me to search for it yet.

  10. 250 - November 14th, 2006 at - One Eyed Jack Says:

    J,
    .
    She had some great characters on Saturday Night Live. Her best known character was the sexually ambiguous Pat. A very talented lady. I’m waiting for the CD to arrive.
    .
    OEJ

  11. 251 - November 14th, 2006 at - nikkiee Says:

    OEJ
    I enjoyed all the sound samples at that link, especially “there is no santa”
    Also the great FSM smiled on me this morning for my late night dedication. My return trip away was postponed til tomorrow. Catch up time.
    I’ve no time to visit once I leave again. Holidays at the end of the month will allow the dedication that His Noodliness truely deserves.
    RAmen

  12. 252 - November 15th, 2006 at - T-G Says:

    i guess everything is how you look at it…you can believe you came from dirt and rocks, you can believe a spegetti monster made you, maybe a supreme God made you…but none are science. Evolution? the only proven form of evolution is the adaptation of animals. Animals have changed in varities, dogs, wolfs and coyotes may have had a common ansetor…but they are all DOGS. Evolution is just as much a religion as them all. If you wanna talk more about it just email me “tylergoens@hotmail.com”. im not saying ID should be taught in school, im saying, get all religions out of schools. IF you believe u came from a random rock and random chemicals, start a church. But dont impose this religion on kids in school.

  13. 253 - November 15th, 2006 at - Mad John Kidd Says:

    TROLL ALERT!!!!

    Yet another round of “spot the loonie”.

    .

    Microevolution and macroevolution are part of the same process, only the scale is different. Evolution as a religion has been rejected by the US courts. Evolution does not explain any sort of ultimate reality, it stops with the development of life. It is a process not a tenet. It is based on a solid foundation of biological principles. ID should not be taught in science class because it is not science, it is religion. Take your blinders off and see the reality.

  14. 254 - November 15th, 2006 at - nikkiee Says:

    T-G
    ‘…..you can believe you came from dirt and rocks,…’ ??
    Is that what the ‘Church of the Rock Monster’ believes?
    Ha! Rubbish!
    .
    ‘Animals have changed in varities, dogs, wolfs and coyotes may have had a common ansetor…..’
    So does man, flies, rats, worms, bacteria (ect ect ect.) and every other living thing.
    RAmen

  15. 255 - November 15th, 2006 at - nikkiee Says:

    Note…..no rocks included with species having a distamt common ancestor.

  16. 256 - November 15th, 2006 at - hexhunter Says:

    on whales with legs, they found a dolphin with hind legs on the coast of Japan or something like that, a throwback from the days when sea mammals were anphibious…

  17. 257 - November 15th, 2006 at - nikkiee Says:

    “So does man, flies, rats, worms, bacteria (ect ect ect.) and every other living thing.”
    .
    I’d also better add that they have no common ‘ansetor’, but do have a common ancestor.
    I’m not sure about rocks? They may indeed have a common ‘ansetor’.
    RAmen

  18. 258 - November 15th, 2006 at - Mad John Kidd Says:

    Maybe a common asteroid?

  19. 259 - November 15th, 2006 at - Mad John Kidd Says:

    Here’s the link to that dolphin with hinds legs…interesting article.

    .

    http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory?id=2629683

    .

    Why am i doing this? I should be finishing my report if I want to get paid. Aarrgh!

  20. 260 - November 15th, 2006 at - nikkiee Says:

    Yes..yes..that is obviously what was meant. I can see that T-G chose ansetor because it was easier to spell.
    .
    Also forgot to thank T-G for the offer:
    ‘…Evolution is just as much a religion as them all. If you wanna talk more about it just email me “tylergoens@hotmail.com”….’
    .
    Will take the offer up when I get tired of watching the grass grow. Won’t be as exciting, but diversity is after all, the spice of life.
    RAmen

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An elaborate spoof on Intelligent Design, The Gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster is neither too elaborate nor too spoofy to succeed in nailing the fallacies of ID. It's even wackier than Jonathan Swift's suggestion that the Irish eat their children as a way to keep them from being a burden, and it may offend just as many people, but Henderson, described elsewhere as a 25-year-old "out-of-work physics major," puts satire to the same serious use that Swift did. Oh, yes, it is very funny. -- Scientific American




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