Response from Mrs. Janet Waugh – District 1 – Received 6/25/05
From: JWaugh1052@[xxxxxxx]
To: bobby.henderson@gmail.com
Date: Jun 25, 2005 6:34 AM
Subject: Response from a member of the Kansas Board of Education
Thanks for your comments about the Flying Spaghetti Monster and all the supporters who have sent their support to members of the Kansas Board of Education. I am supporting the recommendations of the science committee and am currently in the minority. I think your theory is wonderful and possibly some of the majority members will be willing to support it.
Thanks again,
Janet Waugh District 1
Response from Mrs. Sue Gamble – District 2 – Received 6/26/05
From: msgamble@[xxxxxxxxx]
To: bobby.henderson@gmail.com
Date: Jun 26, 2005 6:34 PM
Subject: Reply
Dear Mr. Henderson, Thanks for your message. Thanks for the laugh. Your web site is fascinating. I will add your theory to a long list of alternative theories I intend to introduce when it is appropriate. I am practicing how to do this with a straight face which is difficult since it’s such a ridiculous subject; it is also very sad that we are even having the discussion.
I will be one of the four member minority who will be voting against the flawed science standards currently being proposed by the six member majority.
Sincerely,
Sue Gamble
Response from Mrs. Carol Rupe – District 8 – Received 8/16/05
From: Carol Rupe
To: bobby.henderson@gmail.com
Date: Aug 16, 2005 8:19 AM
Subject: Kansas State Board of Education
Dear Mr. Henderson,
In the midst of the sad circumstances of having our science standards lowered, you and your legion of fellow FSM followers have offered wonderful comic relief. Rather than the form letters which we often receive on other topics, each FSM letter has been clever and unique. I responded to several at first, but now there have just been too many. I am a member of the Kansas State Board of Education and have voted repeatedly to maintain excellent science standards. Last week was the vote to send a new draft (written by the 6 conservative members) out for external review. The four of us on the board who are moderates were in the minority on the vote. The group of science teachers and university professors who had written the original standards (before they were changed) have now asked that their names be withdrawn from the document. The new version changes the very definition of science from “seeking natural explanations” to “seeking logical explanations”. That is why I think FSMism is able to be included. It is as “logical” as any other theory.
The final vote on the standards will be in October. We will be in Lawrence, Kansas for that meeting. Those of us who are moderates on the board are trying to have the meeting in the Natural History Museum at the University of Kansas. We think that would be an appropriate setting for the occasion. We welcome you to be in attendance.
We have received thousands of emails from scientists around the world. At first, they all tried to explain good science to us. After the vote last week, however, they have resorted to calling us hillbillies and morons. And those are the nice letters!
Thank you for adding levity to this situation. You have developed quite a following. I was wondering if we could reverse the effects of global warming if we started breeding pirates.
Sincerely,
Carol Rupe
P.S. I ordered a Kansas Museum of Science t-shirt. I may just have to wear it to a board meeting.
From: Mrs. Kathy Martin, District 6
“It is a serious offense to mock God.”
YOU christians are mocking the FSM!!! shame on you!!
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Dear Mrs. Kathy Martin, District 6,
yarrrrr!!
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Dear Kathy Martin,
I’m not into you
Love,
Me
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Ms. Kathy Martin,
I seriously doubt that you will read this, but I’m going to throw it out there anyway.
If it is truly an offense to mock this “God” character of which you speak, why hasn’t Mr. Henderson been charged with anything yet? If Bobby has actually broken a law, especially one that you claim is serious, I expect him to be prosecuted for it. I’m certain that he would expect this too. Murder, rape, and treason are “serious offenses”. Blasphemy is just plain fun!
All Hail Our Noodly Master,
Paul R. Welke
Edmonton, Canada
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this is why things were so bad before imperailism, no pirates = bad!
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If the schools refuse to teach theology in a respectable fashion, the only course of action left is to teach it in as silly of a manner as you can manage.
All hail the Flying Spaghetti Monster.
“HAIL!”
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Although I’m an atheist, in my (metaphorical) book it is you who is mocking God, Mrs Martin, when you conspire to belittle the vast and unimaginably majestic Creation around you by attempting to foist your non-sensical, inconsistent views, which you dress up as ’science’, onto the young and impressionable.
May you feel the blessed moistness of His appendage on the nape of your neck as He reminds you that the Bible is just a recently compiled heap of bronze-age mythology. May he whisper his tomato-fetid breath into your ear, telling you that the universe itself, and the spirit of human enquiry, not to mention humour, which it has thrown up in the most incredibly unlikely fashion on this minute dew-drop of a planet, had existed for so long before your beloved parochial middle-eastern hocum arose as to make it laughable. The universe itself mocks your God, Mrs Martin.
Blessed be the fork-twiddlers. Aaar!
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Blasphemy is only an offense if you are talking religion; science has no equivelant. How can an omnipotent creator of everything be bothered by the words of mere humans? Seems a little silly, doesn’t it?
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Fsshhlppt!
(The sound made when partaking of the noodly one)
RAmen.
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The letter sent to the Kansas School Board regarding the FSM was not meant to mock “God.” A person in your position surely must be intelligent enough to realize that? The intent was to mock, well among other people, you. The idea that Intelligent Design is a scientific theory is what is being mocked, and those who believe that ID is a valid scientific theory and should be taught in science class are being mocked. The letter attempts to show that if Intelignent Desing actually does meet the standard for being taught as science, then based upon those standards, there is no reason why FSM should not be taught as an alternate theory as well.
At issue isn’t yours or anyone elses belief in God. At issue is why should students be taught about God in the guise of science? I prefer my religion to be taught to me by someone who actually knows and understands the material, someone who can help guide me when I have a question, someone like, oh I don’t know, a Priest or Pastor? (or whatever title is used in your religion…) Wouldn’t that be more appropriate than say an overworked underpaid public school science teacher who has not studied religion as a major field of study? I think we can all agree that you would not want to have someone teaching nuclear physics who isn’t say a nuclear physicist? Right?
Science takes a look at the available evidence and tries to come up with the best possible explanation that fits the facts. When more evidence becomes available, past conclusions are re-examined to see if it still makes sense with the new data. Things like “the world is flat,” or “the Earth is the center of the solar System and the sun revolves around the Earth,” were believed to be accurate, and were taught as fact. Eventually evidence came along that proved that the world was not flat and the Earth in fact revolved around the Sun (not the other way as was once believed…) Science can correct itself based upon new findings and new evidence.
Science answers “how.” how does this work, how did it happen etc… By gathering evidence and obseving how things work now, you make theories on how they might have worked before or how other similar things work. In science there is a mechanism that allows errors to be corrected. That mechanism is called “The Scientific Method.”
Religion answers the question “why.” It does so by the use of Dogma. Why should I not “Covet my neigbors wife?” Because God told you so. Why shouldn’t I “Use the lords name in vain?” Because God told you so. Dogma does not have a mechanism like the Scientific Method to validate its teachings. Dogma by definition needs no validating. Therefore it is not and can never be consdiered science. You have a problem with one of Gods rules? Then it’s tough to be you I guess, because that rule ain’t gonna change. Why? Because it is dogma.
Dogma is not science. Religion is not science. The FSM site and the letter sent to the Kansas School Board was not intended to mock God. It was intended to mock those idiots at the Kansas School Board who think that teaching religious dogma disguised as science (Intelligent Design) sounds like a good idea. I am going to guess that God is smart enough to understand that He (or She) was not being mocked by this site or that letter, it’s a shame that you couldn’t see that, Mrs. Kathy Martin.
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Dear Kathy,
Do not mock the mocking, or the sacred semolina of His body will be upon you, and low, it shall be moist and starchy (if not properly rinsed). The coldness of his shoulder-like meat-ball will chill your shaky-cheese until it no longer shakes appropriately. I fear for your immortal sauce!
Repent…repe-ent……re-epe-e-ent!
Cam
Toronto, Ontaro
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I’m from Britain, so I’m not entirely sure how it works in the United States, but in Britain we have ‘Religious Education’ lessons, where ideas such as ID and deities can be discussed and argued rationally and coherently. Does America have such a thing? And if so, why don’t you teach Creationism in these lessons? At least with this, religion does not need to be couched in pseudo-scientific terms and taught as fact with ‘collaborating evidence’.
Come to your senses and remove ID from science lessons and back to Theology where it belongs. At least then you won’t have to have evidence for your delusional rantings! I mean, surely all rational people know that the great FSM created all things! I pray that you will one day be touched by His Noodly Appendage, so that you too may come to know the glory that is the Flying Spaghetti Monster!
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I second the breeding of pirates (only if all parties are willing of course! otherwise that would be violating #4 of the ‘Things I’d Rather You Didn’t)!!!
And Miss Kathy… For shame… for shame…
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The similarities between “It is a serious offense to mock God†and the recent puerile insecurities displayed by some muslims over what the pope had quoted are striking. Why does god, in all of its omnipotence, benevolence, and omniscience, need one puny Kathy Martin to defend it? Why? Isn’t it just a little presumptuous, if not down right arrogant for you to be offended in god’s stead?
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My dear Kathy,
Don’t you see the hypocracy of it all? Your little sentence was a powerful comment, especially because you suggest that we are mocking God. Do you hate terrorists, mrs. Martin? Because the terrorists kill in the name of your God. Christianity, Judaism, and Islam all worship the same God.
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Dear Kathy,
You say that it is a serious offense to mock god, but do you not mock our great, pasta-based creator by your insulting his teachings? You are willing to believe the bible, a book that has been altered so many times that we might as well get rid of the whole thing, but you are not willing to even take into consideration that maybe, you are wrong, and that our creator was in fact a spaghetti monster not a man. You are hypocritical and rather simple minded.
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Yaar!
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Xaos, in the US, they are thinking of changing biology and the like with religion (both being accepted as the “truth”), you are thinking of Religion classes. Two completely different things.
I will mock God as much as I can, being Sargoth-Kuul and all. You get what you deserve. FSM is the true diety. Awe our lord and midgit-maker. RAmen.
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To the Three Ladies on the School Board, who are not brain dead, may you have many blessings from his Noodlesness. May you Chianti be dry and your parmesian tasty. May we all meet in the Olive Garden in the Sky.
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I am a Christain and belive in Jesus Christ and all that the Bible has to say, but I have to agree with Bobby’s point of view. The idea of bringing ID into a science class is absurd. There is no way to decide which would be the right theory to present, and there is no way you could teach them all.
However, I think that the whole idea of Evolution on a grand scale (such as from amino acids to man) is kinda’ goofy. The findings of Pasteur seem to discredit the whole idea of spontaneous generation.
But, remember, the idea of the world being flat was completely accepted by the scientific communities long ago, and has since been disproven. I think that the same will happen with evolution over time.
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It’s a strange thing that only people who believe in God in a some what fundamentalist way seem to have problem with evolution? The scientits who are trying to prove evolution wrong with thease ID-theories and such are also christian. Doesn’t it strike to you more a thing to do with God and a desperate need to prove his existanc in fundamental rather than an actual flaw in the evolution theory. Besides, as I understand ID has been proven false. The supporters of evolution theory aren’t biased against God or anything, because most of them aren’t biased to any direction in the matter, most the believe in God propably, so in that way of course. Unlike, the people who try to prove evolution wrong, who definately have more at stake here and are willing cut corners to achieve their goals, so I’d much rather believe the people who aren’t so desperate proove their views right.
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All written theology has a form of the Golden Rule . ” Bibles” were all written ” after the fact” by humans . They set guide lines to keep people in line . If a creator exists, FSM is just as good a name as God,Allah,etc.If a creator created life on our remote sphere ; then part of the humanoids body included a brain to reason with . These ” guide books ” eliminate the need to think for ones self .
There are more important things to argue or discuss than how things came to be and why?
WHO cares! The important thing is that we’re here; no matter how it came about.
Meanwhile,back at the ranch, the human species keeps over-populating and devouring the artificial means that provide for its’existance.
Kansas & DC aren’t the only places exhibiting the phenomina of brain freeze.
ARRRRRG !
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Dear Miss Kathy,
I am rather surprised by the fact that an educator, rather that any educated person, such as yourself could fail to see the humour in the FSM.
I am even more stunned by the fact that you could consider creationism a tangent of science. The fact that the bible exists does not prove the existance of an almighty being. The fact that the bible exists proves nothing more than the bible does indeed exist. It is a story, rather an anthology that was written by mortal hands and has been followed by those not intelligent enough to distinguise fiction from fact.
The fact is that the study of science is and will remain a respectable practice, if individuals such as yourself mature and realized that your views are not only illogical, but rather pathetic. For example, your christian faith follows that leadership of a Pope, whom you believe is a figure head whom Christ willed to be in charge of his church, when, in fact, the pope was a figure head created by the Franks in the early 700’s to help link the clergy to the crown.
However, I assume as an educated individual, you are aware of this and have cleverly chosen to follow his leadership. I ask, where is the science in that?
Channing
Lethbridge, AB CA
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Dear Miss Kathy,
If you truly belive in God, why would you try to spread your belief in disguise of science, instead of preaching fair? Do you have something to hide? Are you ashamed to spread the words of your God for some reason to the extent that you have no choice but to disguise? If I were your God and saw somebody like you demeaning me in the way you are doing, you should be truly afraid of my wrath.
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hehehehe… religion is never open to question… remember that… and pirates are a direct result of the myth that everything used to be better…
hope you all get educated and realise how little you really know…
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In reference to the last response from Kathy Martin: “It is a serious offense to mock God.”
One of the biggest problems in the world today is that people think that just because they believe something without proof (i.e. on faith), others have to take it seriously. If you have a problem with the Flying Spaghetti Monster to the point where you react as such, you shouldn’t have any problem with the Middle East’s reaction to the Pope’s recent comments.
Everyone has the right to have faith. But, somewhere, someone is going to think it’s silly if you don’t have real (scientific) proof.
If you can’t handle that, you’re faith is simply not sincere nor real.
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I think it is a lot harder to mock God than we think. If God didn’t have a sense of humour, we’d all be dead by now.
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when did it get to the point that we need to put others beliefs down to justify our own..?
wait….IT’S ALWAYS BEEN THAT WAY!!!! Kathy, if you would just pull your head out from under the rock, you would see that Not only FSM, but all religion teaches compassion and tolerance. The thought of having religion in public schools is dated, that’s why we got rid of it in the first place. We have religious schools in Canada, where people can choose to learn ID. Perhaps we should open an FSM school to teach the future generations the doctorine.
and to you Kathy….. ARRRRRR!
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clearly there aren’t enough pirates in the world
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Have other work to do – so enjoy this monster paragraph:
As a science teacher of the gifted and talented, I find the whole argument to be somewhat useless in regards to what we need to teach our children in public schools. Perhaps we can instead focus on how to properly aim and fund the science education that will inspire our children and allow them to think for themselves as they mature into the next generation of adults. With the math and English focus of the NCLB act, science education is falling behind and we will ultimately reap what we sew – an even more scientifically illiterate group of adults than we currenly have in the US. We graduate masses of students who have no employability skills and need significant additional (and expensive) education in order to have half a shot at a 1st job, after which most can expect to have many more – good luck at finding a lengthy career anywhere without becoming a lifelong student. When my students speak of this creationism vs. evolution argument, the ones that can think for themselves can’t understand what all of the fuss is about – the former is a topic for home and religious institutions and the latter belongs in PUBLIC schools. The private schools in which I taught had no dilemma with this – both could be spoken of in any classes – and as Miroslav wrote above – science answered “how,” religion “why.” If I am allowed to finish with my naive and idyllic rant: Let’s spend our time focusing on the science that will occupy the other 99% of our students’ time in PUBLIC schools.
Wish I had time to be more coherent, but lesson planning beckons . . .
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I don’t think Pastifarians are taking a strong enough stance on this issue. I am the religous leader for my fellow pastifarians at my private catholic middle school. We believe that FSMisn should be taught in schools. Every bit of “learning” that is done in my school has a large amount of biblical “history” and “propoganda” in it. We must take this strong stance to oppose the extremly one sided teaching that is insued here.
AARRRGGG
RAmen
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Ah, my dearest children,
I do believe that the Beatles had it right when they said,
“All you need is love.”
I suggest you all take up meditation. When you then merge with the infinite and realize that this entire universe lives inside of you, you will relax. You can then sit back and enjoy the whole drama as I do. Your sense of humor will return and all relalities will be seen with their own inherent validities. Learn to love the drama and each of the players. It is all you really have until you merge back into the infinite.
Love and kisses,
Your Own Divine Mother
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thank you kathy
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Science:
To find the truth in nature and everything around us- creatures, plants, fungus, rock, metal, air, fire, water, earth and space.
Religion:
To look up “truth” in the wrong dictionary. And then hear voices.
“What is the difference between the eccentric artist, the religious and a madman? The artist has a berret, the religious a bible and the madman a straitjacket.”
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Hail the Flying Spaghetti Monster!
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Sorry Kathy, it is you who is being mocked, not your god.
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Yar yar!
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As one great Pirate (if he wasnt he should have been!) once said…
“good people do good things”,
“bad people do bad things”,
“when good people do bad things – they call it religion!”
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Yaharg Lassie! Ye be insultin’ ma’ Faith!?
Death comes for ye!
And Pirates.
Love,
Gerald Jenkins Pirate Apprentice
How am I doing?
1-800-258-0855 Ask for Gerald Jenkins
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Dear Mrs. Kathy Martin, District 6, its a serious offense to mock FSM, and i’m not just speaking to you i’m also speaking to the other repliers from the Kansas State Board of Education.
>:P
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Dear Ms.kathy…MyMyMy…and when did we get the great position of speaking for God?And which one are we speaking for????Mine says They never made that arrangement with you…soooo as a new High Pasta-ness of this great order I say to you….May His Noodley Appendage Come down from Above and Slap Thee Right on Top of Thy Pointiness of thy Little Head and shaketh thy small under cooked noodle. May The Great One take pity on thy undercookedness……and make of thee a great Udon ..Her High Pasta-ness..MamaVoodoo
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Poor Poor Kathy, obviously you have not partaken of the saucy sacrament from his high Noodliness. Pastafarianism is a quiet quaint communion of all strands of holiness into ones body. May his Angel Hair entwine thee to thy reconcilliation meant to save thee from the evil Fra Diabla who digests within thee.
Come forth from your box and be fully immersed in the waters of redemption upon the holy alter of Stove, that you may be reborn and rinsed of your starchiness.
Say 25 ‘Hail Marinaras’ and 10 ‘Oh my Meatballs’ to save thyself from your stiff and boxed ways.
*Ramen*
His High Sauciness,
Al Dente Paladin d’Tortellini
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Kathy, your well argued and carefully thought out stanza has rid me of my foul urges toward the noodly one. Clearly, when one has such a grasp and intuitive understanding of our place in the universe as you it is pointless to argue. Which God is the right one again? I get a little confused, and I’d hate to screw up again at this point. I love you.
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I’ve read a lot of (but not all) the response/ comments/ hate mail etc sent in by “Christians” and have a question or 2/ 3: According to gospel/ scripture/ the bible (insert name of religious text here) you fabulous people aren’t very “Christian”, now are you? I ask this because in one of the insane hate mail messages the author basically says he can’t wait to see Mary/ Jesus/ Diety of your choice kicking Bob’s but and that it’ll be the best moment of his life when Bob burns in everlasting hell fire (ya’ll) etc. Really? No matter what Bob or anyone says/ or does, do you think God would want you to be thinking like that? Hmmm… maybe you just human after all? Or are you just hypocrites? (I’m not a Christian by the way), but all relgions/ faiths preach the same basic message: LOVE THY NEIGHBOUR, BE TOLERANT etc etc etc… Where did all that go? How did the Right Wing Christian fundamentalists manage to forget the main message of Christianity. It isn’t “DO WHAT I SAY SO YOU CAN GET TO HEAVEN” that’s for sure and screw anyone who thinks differently (or in some cases, is capable of thinking at all). xz
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Kathy, I repent my starchy ways. Thank you for showing me the light, I will now make jihad against all Pastafarians in the name of OUR GOD!
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At least Kathy will have to agree that it would be fair to teach the kids that one theory claims that earth is flat and one theory claims that earth is round. Just saying that the earth is round would be to mock god wouldnt it?
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Dear Mrs. Kathy Martin;
I cannot begin to tell you how terribly glad I am that you have been chosen as God’s assistant. To have the power to speak for Him, be offended for Him, and in all regards give us an up-to-date report containing His opinion on everything, that is truly a great boon! I personally would love to have these abilities, and if you ever have a free moment I simply must request that you tell us all in great detail how you obtained such an amazingly extraordinary position.
Many thanks in advance,
pure.Caprice
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it is funny how you can say such things kathy, when you speak for your god but what what god is it have you spoken to all gods from satan of fire or mother earth of wicca and most of all how dare you speak for his greatness may he slam you into the infernal pot for your ignorness- with gothic love soilder of blood lust for wrath iron JAX
p.s people like you made calumbine happen lol
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Wait…I thought the flying spaghetti monster WAS God… no?
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wait…
assuming god created everything
and god is invisible
and god is all knowing and all seeing
and god is everywhere.
isn’t the only difference between god and the flying spaghetti monster the fact that god made us in his own image.
is it possible that the flying spaghetti monster is god and he just didn’t make us in his own image?
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From: Mrs. Kathy Martin, District 6
“It is a serious offense to mock God.â€
well i’ll take my chances… besides he’s a good friendly forgiving god right?
well anyways. it’s easier to pay respects to the flying spaghetti monster by making our food in his image as hommage as it is he who provides us with food.
and if it is truely a serious offense to mock god, why do you mock ours if not to encourage us to mock yours?
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I grew up in Kansas. I was in a bar in my home town last time I went for a visit. A science teacher came over to me with his BudLight (GAG) and told me he was a Christian Science teacher. laughed. Then we debated. He said I was trying to trick him when I found an inconsistency in his Arrrgument. Silly man did not know that the FSM trumps his God card.
Love,
naked fedora
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this is a bit retarded, yet has a good point i guess.
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We of the ‘Church of the Swimming Spaghetti Monster’ believe that you’re views posted here represent blasphemy! It is blasphemy of the greatest proportion to say his high Noodliness ever flew! Surely you will all burn on the fiery stove after you have passed from the great frying pan of life!
For has it not been written in the great menu of life, that he was indeed of the swimming persuasion! It was indeed written, that the great saucy Noodle, followed by those who followed him, would often walked along the banks of the great river Dolmio, preaching great sermons, and healing the ill, before taking a quick dip!
I believe his Noodliness once said ‘be tolerant of all others, and respect thy neighbour’, it is with this in mind that I urge all other followers of the one true Spaghetti denomination, to take up knives, forks and even spoons, and declare a holy war against you blasphemous Flying followers! May bolognaise flow freely on the streets!
Rt. Rev. Penne alla Fiesolana
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Hey this is great information from the broad of education! Such narrowness of view, such separation of church and state. Heaven (whos?) forbid we think for ourselves. We need to return to the Crusades and go riding around with a bible (anyones) in our pocket searching for the grail (cup, pot, or any other vessel) stabbing all who disbelieve in our book or purpose. Why not study the differences in all religions in a class in public school but not call it SCIENCE. The notion that any human or group of humans has all the answers is absurd.
AAARG! RAmen!
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I just wanted to say that I don’t think that you are mocking “God,” at all.
You are merely mocking the human perception of what the concept of “God” stands for, that’s all. That is not a serious offence — at least, I wouldn’t believe it to be. Think about it. It is the worldly “existence” of God that is being mocked here . . .
Anyway, I’m sure you all already know this. I am just preaching to the choir, so to speak.
Have a great evening.
I love this faith and I will check in frequently.
– EAW
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In where does this mock God? The christian form of God is what is taken from texts, written after the fact by man. The pastefarian form of God is what is taken from texts, written after the fact by man. So what makes the christian God any more real than the Flying Spaghetti Monster. There is an equal amount of “proof” to support both theories. All religion needs is words and followers. Why is christianity not considered mocking of other religious gods? Why is yours the only one to be taught in school when they all have the exact same level of proof?
It’s teaching belief as science, move it to theology classes where it belongs, as religion and science are very different fields. Nobody is mocking your religion, a point was being made that there is no more proof in one form of God than the other, and if christianity must be accepted as fact berely because of texts and followers, then so must every other religion, no matter how ridiculous
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Now, if only all these people would learn some grammar, sentence structure and punctuation rules and HOW TO SPELL, I would say schools can afford the time to teach nonscience in the guise of science, but, judging by the replies above, schools aren’t even taking the time to teach English. Therefore, dispense with the ID and start teaching reading, ‘riting, and ‘rithmetic. We so obviously need it.
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Well, JJ, it’s quite hard to do when Pirates don’t speak “proper” english. We need to change “English” and rename it “Pyrate”.
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I think I have just seen the light, and am now anxious to be certain that I’ll be worshiping the FSM in the way he or she would wish.
Is there a priest or lay-preacher who might perhaps be able to help?
First of all, Is the FSM, a glutton for unending praise and ceaseless adulation, and what gifts will be necessary? Presumably money!
What must I do for all my inherited sins to be forgiven, and at the same time will I perhaps be guaranteed (preferably in writing)an eternal place with him (or her) some place?
At the same time can anything at all be done for the gazillions of non-believers who have been dumped for evermore?
Now wouldn’t that be rather nice?
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Y’know, I’m a Catholic, and I’m not offended at all about the Flying Spaghetti Monster. I do think it’s ridiculous that creationism would be taught in a science class. Honestly, I think creationism is a crock of shit. It comes from fundamentalists who interpret the bible literally, instead of actually thinking about the period that it came from, usually through oral tradition. Who says that you can’t be a Christian and still believe in evolution, how do you know that God didn’t make us evolve?
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As a christian, I think this is hilarious. Time and time again science has proven the church wrong, from the flat world and The Inquisitors belief of Jews starting earthquakes(comes from Candide, funny book). ANyone who thinks otherwise is a moron! dont take it seriously. and xandero, good point. creationism is a crock of shit and has no scientific basing. In religious studies II(I am a sophmore in high school) We learn that the bible was written by people who spoke to God. Personally, i think God must have FEDEXed narcotic shrooms to ppl and gave them a stone and chisel. seriously, spoken to by God is a long shot, and these books were mostly from oral tradition. With myriad proof of evolution and a Bible to prove ID, you holier-than-thou christians need to step back and sla yourself. Thank you and may the Power of FSM be with you always and forever.
Yarrmen
Justin
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As a christian, I think this is hilarious. Time and time again science has proven the church wrong, from the flat world and The Inquisitors belief of Jews starting earthquakes(comes from Candide, funny book). ANyone who thinks otherwise is a moron! dont take it seriously. and xandero, good point. creationism is a crock of shit and has no scientific basing. In religious studies II(I am a sophmore in high school) We learn that the bible was written by people who spoke to God. Personally, i think God must have FEDEXed narcotic shrooms to ppl and gave them a stone and chisel. seriously, spoken to by God is a long shot, and these books were mostly from oral tradition. With myriad proof of evolution and a Bible to prove ID, you holier-than-thou christians need to step back and slap yourself. Thank you and may the Power of FSM be with you always and forever.
Yarrmen
Justin
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What i tink is wierd is that for some reason it is perfectly acceptable for christians to say that scienentifis theory is false without a bit of proof yet we offer them every bit of proof they could possibly need that Intelligent Design is wrong and they get all offended. I think faith has a seriously important place in the world but it is helping depressed and confused people find hope not corrupting the science curiculum that could lead to us finding a cure for AIDS, or cancer, or any number of genetic deseases.
RAmen
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Thank you for showing me the light. I am no longer a atheist. I have finally found my belief in the great noodled one.
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So, will his Noodleness send down a son to rid us of our sins? The Noodle, the Lasagne & the Holy Garlic Bread? Is there a noodley hell – ruled by his Unsalted, Cucumbery king of the salad hell?
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no pastafarian hell. That goes against our religion. We just get to laugh at them in our heaven as they toil eternally supplying the beer volcano with fresh yeast, hops and barley.
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Hmmmmmm As a non participant in the religion world what so ever. I want to say hats up to all you individuals that have contributed to this lenghty and illuminating debate on the merrits of world religions, science and his benevolence the great FSM and those right wing extremists the SSM. As a non conformist i tend to believe in the romantic relm of the Pirate who spend their existance sailing the heavens creating mayhem and havoc in their wake. It if wasn’t for them and their daring excapades we wouldn’t be here enjoying the merrits of their exploits. Evolution. religion, science and beliefs are all for some reason tied together and now we spend endless days deciding “what is and what was”. So i say what ever you choose to believe, and have faith in then go with that descision and please have an open mind and don’t try to condem another for their chosen path.
All hail the all mighty, less startchy, FSM or what ever form you chose him/her/it to appear in…..some one once said “life is what you make of it”
ok “GROUP HUG” everybody
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hi there. great stuff! i´ve spent about half an hour reading your posts!!
i had to “suffer” religion until the age of 12/13, being bombarded with religion and how we must follow what god said. luckily, my sister managed to open my eyes before it was too late! (i will thank her forever for this!). right now, whenever i read anything to do with religion, i can´t help to just stare and think: “what the f**k?” as if you cant be a “good” person unless you believe in god. they taught me that believing was right, and not believing was wrong. they never told me i was allowed to decide what way to go. i really think this is all fairy tales, and BY NO MEANS should they force kids to believe all that stuff. schools should teach both religous theories and evolutionary theories (i think that´s how u say it!), and let kids decide. i´m sure this way religion would eventually enter the history lessons…as most (if not all) religious adults are religious because they were brought up in a religious atmosphere (parents, SCHOOL, culture,etc etc).
i consider myself a good person; does that mean i go to hell cause i don´t believe in god? come on!…
Religion=MAFIA or SECT.
i respect religious points of view, cause i believed in god not long ago… now i believe in MYSELF and in the FLYING SPAGUETTI MONSTER!!!
peace in the world dudes! and play Futsal! and thank you sister!!!
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Oh yeah, i forgot to mention: like John Lennon said:- “imagine there´s nothing to fight for, and no religion too”.
the words of this song really touch my soul……
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As long as the mighty noodly one does not tell you to begin a genecide I’m cool with the whole ‘Holy Italian’ thing. My problem is this…. every religious group has it’s fanaticals… Muslims, Christians, Witchcraft, etc… so why is it that all Christians get thrown into this boiling pot of together of people to make fun of, when everyone seems to understand that there are “good witches,” and not all Muslims want to fly a plane into a building? I have all the same general beliefs as a Christian and I want to keep it that way… and even some day when I die, if I am proven wrong what’s the problem with the way I chose to live my life..? do you feel it’s ok to verbally trash the choice I made for my life… maybe we’re not the radicals…?
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Jason,
I have nothing against Christianity or Christians. Well, I guess that isn’t true. I have a great deal against some Christians and the way they practice Christianity. I have respect for people who try to live their lives according to what Jesus taught, minus the fundamentalist interpretations and bastardization of Jesus’ basic message. Some of the best people I know are Christians. I’ve even been accused of being a good Christian by an ex-boyfriend who loved to aggrevate me. His point was that, although I do not believe or follow the Christian teachings, I try to live that way anyway because I am a good person. That being said, yes, I think it is ok to verbally trash Christianity when the fanatics are doing their thing. This is the only place I do trash Christianity. I don’t go to Christian websites at all, let alone to bash Christianity. We’re just doing our thing, and some fundies come here and attack us. They’re asking for it, if you ask me.
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I am a Jew, but I don’t believe in God. I don’t deny the existence of God, because it cannot be proven wrong. This is why ID should NOT be taught in schools. In order to be cpnsodered a scientific hypothesis, let alone a scientific theory, the subject in question must be able to be proved wrong. You can’t prove that God exists, and you can’t prove that he doesn’t exist. This is what (at least I think) FSM is all about. To make people like you realize how delusional you are, and how unscientific your arguements are. And if your going to teach ID, you miht as well teach that Promethius made humans and gave them fire, and was punished for near-eternity by Zeus. Of course you can’t prove that right. BUT YOU CAN”T PROVE IT WRONG! you can’t, try as you may, prove that FSM does not exist. But I have one question. How does FSM look like spaghetti and meatballs if he’s invisible?
WootXJ!
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I would be like’n an answer to that one, me self. Not that it be changin’ a thing. Just a wonderin” inside me ol’ cannonball of a head.
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To SaucyWinch,
The label “christian” is just that, a tag that identifies you by someone else’s standard. Jesus had a lot on the ball. Most of the teachings, be they of his own thought or of other influence (it is obvious he was no stranger to Eastern philosophies) the messages hold true to today. Because someone professes to be a christian does not automatically display the person as a wonderful example of humanity. Look at non-christians such as the Dhali Lama, Thich Nat Hahn, and a multitude of other individuals that live a good life as best as they can. I can’t accept that these people are moving in the wrong direction. I personally believe that the basic precept causing no harm is the simple, most perfect direction a human can attempt to travel. When we do this, it is a trival comment to whether a person is a christian, atheist, agnostic, jewish, gay, straight, man, woman, short, tall, etc., etc. This characteristic does not rest in dogma, it resides in the heart and fiber of us. There is no need to justify, convert, or coherse…only to live in peace.
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Darn, a typo. I meant “aggravate,” not aggrevate. I think my ex-boyfriend aggrevated and aggrevated me too, for that matter.
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Maybe one of the most difficult times it is to stand an be Christian is when it’s the ‘Christians’ themselves who are embarrasing the message of Christ… take the Baptist church in Kansas, not sure if this is exactly nation headline news, but they are picketing the funerals of soldiers saying that God hates the armed forces and are allowing the soldiers to die because the policy of allowing gays in the military… thank God I’m not a Baptist, because that would make the embarrament even worse!!!! Maybe if we can all get together, I will pray to God, and you can pray to the noodly one, and perhaps together they will smite down the ignorace of the picketers?
One question about FSM religion… in order to be saved do you have to have the marinara sauce applied to your heart?
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Dear Miroslav,
I agree IN A WAY but if you want someone who know’s what they are teaching you religion wise you should go to a person who has studied it, but if they stop teaching about God in school than should’nt they not teach about Evolution..they are both theory’s about how the earth, us, and everything else on the earth is created so technically they can not just not teach one they would have totally have to stop teaching about all of them for it to really be fair to everyone and their religion…or they should just start teaching about all of the religions at that like buddism, athiestism, and all of them for it to totally be fair…So i beleve that no matter what it is not fair what theorys or religions they teach in school unless they teach all or none…
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To Padriac,
What you say makes sense. I completely agree with you. You don’t sound like one of those fundamentalist Christians that I have no problem trashing. I guess it would be more evolved of me to not bash anyone, yet how can I live in peace when they, not I, are trying to coerce society (st least schoolchildren in Kansas) to learn their beliefs as science. I really don’t know what to do about that. I think Bobby has answered that problem brilliantly and non-violently.
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Bobby Joe,
You said that it would be unfair to teach evolution in school but not to teach about God, and I have to disagree with you. Evolution is a theory, yes, but it is a SCIENTIFIC theory, not a spiritual one. Evolution is based upon observable evidence and belongs in the science classroom. There is no evidence of god outside the bible. God and the creation myths belong in a separate class on religion, and should never, EVER be presented to children as science. That’s what started Pastafarianism. Religion (and I mean ALL religions) should be taught as religion, not science. It is wrong to say that it is unfair to teach science and not to teach religion. They are two completely separate things.
RAmen
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here is the really funny thing… if you follow Hume’s dictum (please, wiki it), religion cannot be considered science, because religion is a matter of the mind, which can never be proven with physical observations, only by other philosophical concepts.
Science relies on physical observations… do we see the problem here?
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SaucyWench:
Thanks for noticing; I am not a fundamentalist christian, nor do I consider myself a christian at all, though some of the teachings of Christ are what I term as universal truths. But so do the teachings of the Buddha, Mohammed, Lao Tzu, and my eighth grade teacher, John P. Nolan.
To remain calm in the face of adversity is quite the chalange. I still get pissed and scream and yell, but try to keep it at a minimum. More is achieved with a calm, direct and focused approach. I have two teen-aged daughters that are surrounded by right wing christians that pretty much tell them how wrong they are by not being a “church-goer.” I am pretty much fed up with the self-righteous attitudes of some of these people, but to be angry just prolongs the confrontation. I keep telling myself I don’t have to prove my beliefs any more than I need to accept the beliefs of others.
My beliefs are manifested to my children by my speech and actions. They get the message, I think. Anyway, they will make their own decisions in the end. Kahlil Gibran so aptly wrote, “You are the bows from which your children as living arrows are sent forth.” Through our example, they learn, good or bad sometimes. Remember, it is our responsibility to teach our children, not the state of Kansas, Missouri, or any other entity. I think as long as we are in this current state of constant fear induced and perpetuated by the current government regime, we will have these battles that should not be fought. Science and religions may slightly overlap, but until people become enlightened to the fact that its ok to have different views, lines will be drawn.
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Padriac, well said. I also have two teenagers, who were exposed to particularly rabid Christian fundamentalism at my ex-husband’s house. One of my responses was to take them to as liberal a church as I could find- the Unitarian Universalist. We went to Solstice celebrations, Bless the Animals Day, and even talked once about what aliens might think about us here on Earth. I told them that other people believed differently than their father and stepmother, and that they were free to choose. They are both now staunch tree-hugging free-thinkers, and I’m grateful for that. Not to go off on a different rant, but what you said about speech and actions is very pertinent to my daughters’ lives. Their stepmother, whose license plate says “Pslm 23″ has been to prison twice since she married my ex-husband. Her crimes have been based in deceit and thievery, yet she did nothing but bash me to my daughters about what a liar I am. This is just one of a long list of transgressions she has accumulated. I have shortcomings, to be sure, but I am a good and honest person. Anyway, I guess I’ve got some pretty strong feelings against fundamentalist Christians based on direct dealings with one of them. I do realize that she is an individual, and does not officially represent Christianity, yet she did a lot of damage to my family “in Christ’s name”. I guess I should go to therapy and work on forgiveness, huh? Isn’t that what Christ would want me to do?
I’m sure Christ never intended for his teachings to be so misused and mutated. I’m sad now and I’m going to sleep. May the FSM, or someone, anyone, bring peace to our wounded lives.
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SaucyWench,
No, I don’t think therapy is really necessary, the tolerance thing is so difficult when you are subjected to intolerance. You are absolutely correct when you say that Christ didn’t plan on christianity to turn out the way it did. I wish I could remove your sadness, but neither God (?) nor the FSM can do that. Only you can remove that. Remember, Saint, we are the ones completely in control of what we feel and how we perceive everything around us. Sometimes, though, it takes another person to help us realize that and give us the initiative to pull ourselves from our despair. My buddhist tendancies remind me of the simple rules I try to apply to my life: help relieve people’s pain and to cause no harm. I hope I have done that for you.
Peace.
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It’s funny how in the name of GOD…….. fanatics will kill to save you from going to hell.
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I think the answer really lies in lemons. The steady decline of pirates over the last few hundred years is what is causing our global warming. This much we know. One of the major causes of death amoungst pirates was scurrvy which is caused by a lack of vitamen C in their diets. Lemons have a great deal of vitamen C in them. Over the last few hundred years lemons have become more and more plentiful, yet our pirate bretheren numbers keep on getting smaller. My only way to answer this riddle is to ask our great creator, FSM, why has he/she been keeping lemons from us? Is it because it truely compliments his/her deliciousness? Is there a greater picture that you humble servant, Squidward, cannot see? Please help me aim my beek in the right direction and find the answer.
yours tangily
S
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Dear Carol Rupe,
I’m not sure if you’ll ever read this little leatter I am writing, but I write it all the same;
I beleive that we SHOULD breed Pirates in order to help with the Global Warming situation, and also to bring the magestic creatures BACk to our world for everyone to be robbed by. Names like good old Black-Beard, or Captian Jack Sparrow, or even Iron Ethel Flint are seldom remebered today, even though once, they were houshold names and treated as royalty.
In conclusion, Save out friends the Pirates! Visit my blog and show your support! Save out world from Gloabal Warming and the threat of never seeing these amazing spectacles of nature again! Visit http://savethepiratesfromglobalwarming.blogspot.com/
Thankyou!
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It really must suck to be a teacher in America – so many rules and regulations! I teach in England and i WILL be teaching FSM to my students during classes in Sociology of Religion.
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Oh me fellow pastafarians, as I read above, I weep for Kathy and for all of us!
Is this fast mockery of Kathy, the quick hostility, the instant intollerance of her innocent ignorance, is this all what the FSM has sauced us up with? Wouldn’t his holyness want us to extend our appendages to Kathy, how ever dumb and stiff they are, with the love, and tastyness, that decends from his meatball core? Anger like this is not the grace of parmagean that he sprinkles into our souls, is it? NO! NO! We may not be more than men, or women, though women are generally more than men – but we can be more like pasta! Reach out I say, show her all that is his glory, bring her near, wrap her in our embrace, and when she is really close, then… then you wack her with a wet noodle!!!
Arrrrgh!
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God created man, and being a gentleman, man returned the compliment. Out of guilt, several times apparently.
:)
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As an outsider (UK)looking in, I am saddened to witness the hate disguised as ‘concern for salvation’ that certain groups of your citizens seam communicating. From banning books (is book burning still practised in the USA?) to confusing science based on a philosophy of developing statements (hypothesises) and testing then by trying to disproving them; with science based on belief and tradition. There are upsides and down sides to both methods, unfortunately for FSM devotes belief & tradition doesn’t provide us with all that new stuff that is good, useful and life saving in the world today. Science based on belief on tradition would still have us tying animal genitals to our foreheads to cure headaches.
This still doesn’t detract from the fact that the great FSM created the universe; maybe he just lit the fuse and stood back.
Oh, and if anyone else mentions that ‘we’ used to believe that the world was flat ask them for some evidence. Pear shaped yes; round defiantly; flat no.
“Animal genitals and foreheads†see Naturalis Historia written in the 1st century (2000 years ago) by Galus Plinius Secundus (aka Pliny the Elder) whose writings were considered an authority by many including the Christian church.
Thank you for reading
Hail to our new chief FSM
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To English Dave,
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“is book burning still practised in the USA?” Sadly, some churches still do. Harry Potter books are a favorite, though I can imagine Richard Dawkins’ “The God Delusion” finding a place in their flames as well.
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Relocating to Canada is looking better every day.
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RAmen
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If they can burn Harry Potter because they don’t agree with it, then does that mean someone could burn the bible and not cause chaos? Not that I really want to, just wondering.
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Having been converted to Pastafarianism about half a year ago, I can easily say that it makes the most sense out of any religion I’ve ever heard of. I worship FSM as the true creator, and Kathy Martin is discriminating against my beliefs!
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I would just like to point out that there are actaully more pirates today then there were during the Age of Exploration, the Age of Sail, and the Napoleanic Era. Otherwise I the theory behind Pastafarianism is sound.
~Rienholt
PS: I am including privateers and not including software, music, and video pirates.
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Prepare for cooler summers!!! We need more pirates. Much better religion than the others ive seen, and ive tried tried a few.
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Yarr. May his noodle-iness find the poor lost souls of the Kansas School Board. The word must be spread by our pirate brethren to the hethens of The Kansas State Board of Education. If they don’t, then they will never bask in the light of the Beer Volcanoe and the Stripper Factory. I send out a message, help save these poor souls, as they so frequently try to do for us.
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So, in essence, to make sure we are all on the same page here, and also to mrs. Martin,
If you find nothing silly about your God, then there can be nothing silly about our noodly God, think about it. All bobby did was rename all the aspects of the christian beliefs in his own terms. i’ll explain:
*God = Flying Spaghetti Monster (there is no difference unless you think on a low level of “physical aspects” which means little in the infinitness of God or FSM)
*Christ = His Noodly appendage (they are both the direct influence from “the power above”)
*baptised in water = baptised in sauce (if you are immature enough to think that spaghetti sauce is silly and water is not.. well then theres nothing more i can say to try to share my opinion)
So really all Mrs. Martin is arguinh over is things names. hmmm… thats really gonna get us places….
YARRR! RAmen!
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One Eyed Jack
…“The God Delusion†finding a place in their flames as well….
That should help sales in the bible belt. Then we could use these sales to point to the fact that the christians are actually closet opponenets of ID. I refer to comments in other posts that “most” scientists believe in ID. High sales figures would provide more “evidence” of this than those provided with those comments.
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Yabadabadooo!!!
heh… What the “Kansas School Board Responses to the Open Letter” 4 fck?!
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Evil Webposter demons, get out of my head!
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I think that if we seriously offended “god”, he wouldn’t just sit there and go, “Well damn, even tough I’m all mighty, these humans keep disrespecting me and I can’t do a damn thing about it.” No, he’d send a bolt of lightning down and fry my ass, but I’m still sitting here, so either A) There is no God, or B) Said God actually has a sens of humor OR C) (easily the most plausible answer) The FSM is just in disguise to test our loyalties.
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Frafficer,
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That *was* a question.
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Here’s another:
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What did it mean?
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Rienholt,
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They’re not real pirates. They’re just no-good robbers and thieves with boats who bring the name of piracy into disrepute.
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Real pirates have proper pirate costumes, with flashy gold bits and big hats.
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Real pirates have proper pirate names (One Eyed Jack is leading us, here)
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Real pirates say ‘Arrrrrr’, and other profound things.
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Real pirates are kind-hearted souls who have the best interests of the world foremost in their minds (alongside grog and wenches).
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Real pirates, above all else, know the truth of His Noodly Appendage and will spare not a second in sharing it, with appropriate condiments.
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Don’t be mislead by those kalashnikov-toting pirate-wannabes (also known as ‘bastards’). The true pirates are all here before ye.
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Good site.
Realy.
But.
Is its has any traffic?
Or NOT?…
This is a question.
Hehe.
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Good site.
Realy.
But.
Is its has any traffic?
Or NOT?…
This is a question.
Hehe.
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Is this some new annoying tactic from the god-botherers?
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Or just another idiot?
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Good site.
Realy.
But.
Is its has any traffic?
Or NOT?…
This is a question.
Hehe.
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Idiotz I think! God-bothers whos brains have been minced into bolognaise as a curse from the Great FSM!
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I was lost… then i heard about our all might spaguetti monster… but i think I will create another branch of the religion, cuz He said to me that He is not a monster, He is offended now to be called a monster. He is just… sticky.
Yaaar.
cuatro hombres y una botella de ron, yo jo jo jo!!!
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I have a procedural question. Are there female pirates? Can one be a wench and a pirate too? Or is that redundant? Equality is important to me, after all.
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beeotch
im getting myself a ipod skin with the guy with the little pepe on it
and to whoever wrote that thing about pissing the christians off……your wasting ur time….get off the comp and do something instead of pissing and moaning about some website
werd
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Of course women can be pirates, Saucy! Have you heard of the famous female pirates Anne Bonny and Mary Read of the pirate ship “Revenge”? Historically we don’t find many female pirates, but that’s probably because men wrote all the history books. Men are such bastards… oh wait, that’s me too.
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OEJ
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Female pirates are legion but Our PastaNoster keepeth them in hiding for now
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As grandson of the first Kansas Supervisor of Continuation Schools (I.B. Morgan) and son of the 1927 Rhodes Scholar from the University of Kansas (Brewster Morgan), I have only one thing to say:
“It is a serious offense to mock the Flying Spaghetti Monster.â€
Regards,
Winthrop Brewster Morgan, MPH, CeM
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For a reason I can’t really put my finger on, I think it’s hilarious that all of these atheists are posting “responses” to Kathy Martin.
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Frafficiers, PumbaCaca and ZeaboSolo, quite a coincidence that each of you would find your respective doppelgangers on this site, and post the same grammar-elusive message. They say great minds think alike, though in this case stupid people believe other people share their exact thoughts.
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Hail, me hearties.
I’ve just come from a conference with my fellow pastaferians, and we all agree that FSM needs a new ten commandments in order to recognize the ONE TRUE GOD. We offer the following (in al dente form) and trust that other believers will help to codify these bolognese tenets.
1. Thou shalt not overcook the pasta.
2. Thou shalt not use catsup on the pasta.
3. Thou shall use veal, pork and steak as ingredients in the sacred meatballs.
4. Thou shall not use American or Swiss cheese as toppings on the pasta.
5. Thou shall not covert thy neighbor’s pasta.
6. Thou shall not serve Wonder Bread with the pasta.
7. Thou shall only wash down the pasta with fine Italian red wines.
8. Thou shall forget that pasta came from China.
9. Thou shall not equate the word “Monster” only with large trucks with big tires in mud-splattered arenas.
10. And, mostest of all, thou shall keep a sense of humor when dealing with all things which perport to be religious.
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Sorry for the words which were spelled wrong in my posting .. I would have run spell check, but my pasta pot boileth over and it hurts !!!
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I Cheesus Christ, the Son of our God, ask you to procalim his kingdom, with the following:
Our father who art on a plate, Tasty be his sauce, thy kingdom come,thy meatballs will be cooked, on the inside as they are on the outside, give us this day our garlic bread, and forgive us of our spilt pasta, as we forgive those who spilt pasta on us,and lead us into fine italian wine, but deliver us from cheap wine. RAMEN
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Ok, so females can be pirates, but does that mean they aren’t wenchy anymore? I’ve come to respect my inner wench. I guess it’s up to me to define what kind of pirate I want to be. How about Cap’n Saucy? Keep the Saucy, drop the Wench, and assume command of my own ship. I like it! Thanks for empowering me yet again, FSM.
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I’m trying it on for size. AAAArrrrrrrggggghhhhhh!
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Yarrr, Cap’n Saucy, ye know as well as the rest of us that ye can take the wench out of the sauce, but ye can’t take the sauce out of the wench.
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All’s shipshape ‘n’ Bristol fashion, cap’n. Awaitin’ orders…
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‘Tis unmercifully true! Aarrgh! We be turnin’ her athwartships. Bring yer cackle fruit to the fo’c’s’le fur hurlin’ at the dreaded Fundies!
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Im trying to find good resources to add to my blog.
Anyone know good websites for stuff to buy online? Thanks!
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I think everyone pretty well covered this topic. I am a christian, and I have a hard time with the evolution theory, much like anyone else who may have conflict over “evolving” from some race of ape. I think that, even though our history goes back 7,000 years, or so (and early history is dicey, at best), eventually, someone will feel rather funny about presenting the “Evolution” theory, no matter how much “evidence” there is. There is evidence on either side of the fence, if you ask me. A well-known crackpot, Nostradamus, made predictions about the demise of man. Perhaps at the time, his ideas and methods could be considered scientific. But, there is no proof that any of his predictions have come to pass. The same could be argued of the Bible, Flying Spaghetti-Monsterism, and as easily about evolution. There is only evidence, and a best guess was made with all the available clues. To teach I.D. as science is as inappropriate as teaching physics as a religion. There is no proof, only overwhelming evidence, and a theory was presented. Nuclear Physics works, for now. but as time progresses, we may change a few of our concepts on it, as we prove ourselves wrong; and we do often. Science has taught us a great deal on how to do. Faith can teach us how to be. I argue, and challenge, that if there is even a science class offered at any school in America, then there should also be a faith or religious class. Many people were active in retaining “In God we trust” on our money, and keeping “Under God” in the pledge of allegience. 92% of the country can’t all be wrong. Science can NOT disprove God, only conclude that it isn’t the easiest explanation. What’s easier: A hapless puddle of amino acids combined, and formed basic proteins, to single-celed organisms, and after a few million years, dinosaurs crawled out of the ocean, giant asteroid, apes/ and then man. Sounds sort of complex to me. Unless the same thing can be duplicated in a lab, I say, whatever. A supreme being snapped it’s fingers (or clammy, tomato-covered tentacle), and everything just was. It’s all in the delivery. One theory can be made just as viable as the next. Who is to say who is right? Was anybody there at the time? No? Well, then, why is any one of these any more believeable than the other? Why is only one of them being taught in school? I say, let the pirates go, and hail to spaghetti!
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Dear Mrs. Carol Rupe,
I love you… if I were into girls, I’d kidnap you and your husband, drag you to Utah, and marry you myself!
I, along with the entire world, thank you for being smart!
yay for brains!…
delicious brains.
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I Cheesus Christ, the Son of our God, ask you to procalim his kingdom, with the following:
Our father who art on a plate, Tasty be his sauce, thy kingdom come,thy meatballs will be cooked, on the inside as they are on the outside, give us this day our garlic bread, and forgive us of our spilt pasta, as we forgive those who spilt pasta on us,and lead us into fine italian wine, but deliver us from cheap wine. RAMEN
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Westy here again
You humans have caught on to most of it, but you’re missing a few points:
1) A dog can burry and dig up the same bone, toy, or just dig a hole often and still find pleasure
2) Scientists like to dig up new stuff — they get bored if the same old comes up too too many times
3) There is a fundamental hierarchy of science:
3a) Life is Evolution = Biology
3b) Biology is just Chemistry with a particularly limited set of raw materials {mostly Hydrogen, Carbon, Oxygen atoms and some low energy photons and only works under a particularly limited set of physical conditions that mostly are incapable of permitting ionization except in solution
3c) Chemistry is just a very boring set of physical processes where bound atoms predominate and photons and subatomic particles are mostly ignorable
4) So — once we understand Physics — i.e. all matter and energy of the universe and its relationship {e.g. Big Bang with expansion and dark energy and all}
4a) then we can simply distill down to the low energy range where atoms stay un-ionized {- added for clarity as to meaning} = Chemistry
4b) Once we get Chemistry under control — then we can just deal with the minor subset of roughly room temperature where particularly long {order Billions of atoms} polymers remain roughly stable in solution == Biology and Life
5) then all will be revealed
6) in the mean time — we can keep having a good laugh at ourselves and our betters {aka dogs of all breeds including mutts {Pirate dogs?}}
7) Finally — I offer the equally saucy and somewhat more creative Ignobel Prizes The winners have all done things that first make people LAUGH, then make them THINK.
2006… 2005… 2004… 2003… 2002… 2001… 2000… 1999… 1998… 1997… 1996… 1995… 1994… 1993… 1992… 1991.
8) see the website for more details:http://improbable.com/ig-pastwinners.html
9) In 2003 with the theme of Nano the Ignobels premiered the mini-opera “Atom and Eve†that dealt with a particularly swashbuckling Oxygen atom {the anonymously named Atom} who dreams of combining with a particularly lovely scientist {Eve} – a pyrite like dream for a lowly Oxygen atom
10) This summer at a scientific conference the 2006 Alpbach Technology Conference that brings business, government, science and other leaders from around the world and where attendees debate the significance of technological developments for the business world and society, as well as living standards, quality of life, and competitiveness — Frank Wilczek, The Herman Feshbach Professor of Physics at MIT and 2005 Nobel Laureate in Physics for work on subatomic particles indicating that distance makes the quarks grow fonder (or at least increases their attraction) – sang the lead role of Atom in Atom and Eve. – As far as is known this a first for a Physics Nobel
10a) I suggest that at this year’s IgNobels there was a most appropriate prize – the PHYSICSIgNobel went to: Basile Audoly and Sebastien Neukirch of the Université Pierre et Marie Curie, in Paris, for their insights into why, when you bend dry spaghetti, it often breaks into more than two pieces.
REFERENCE: “Fragmentation of Rods by Cascading Cracks: Why Spaghetti Does Not Break in Half,” Basile Audoly and Sebastien Neukirch, Physical Review Letters, vol. 95, no. 9, August 26, 2005, pp. 95505-1 to 95505-1.
REFERENCE: video and other details at
Arrrrrrrrghhhhh fetch me a bone you wench
westy
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Absolutely brilliant! Although I applaud the FSM Church in its efforts to improve educational standards in Medieval America, I’m wondering if we shouldn’t all let nature take its course and allow Americans to devolve into the bloated, cholesterol-riddled, zombified consumer-swine that they are destined to be. Oh, wait. It’s already happened. Never mind! Enjoy the implosion, o ye of dim wit.
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Wouldn’t it be ironic if Mrs. Martin’s death involved pasta?
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Well done Westy!
RAmen
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This is a response to Xaos, and all international FSM fans, explaining how (most) public school districts in the United States address the issue of Religion in schools. Please add to this response if I’ve left something out. This response is based on my own experiences, so I may have missed something, somewhere…
The public school system in the United States, depending on the district, has no “Religion” or Theology-flavored topic whatsoever. I understand this is somewhat different from that of Europe, which often treats Theology as a separate topic, much like History or Biology. I find it interesting in its own right, especially if the “Theology” classes are surveys of many religions, rather than focusing on a particular religion. Citizens of the US, at least the left-leaning ones, consider religious philosophy taught in (public) schools to be a violation of the separation of church versus state, so carefully (and yet, not so) outlined in the US constitution.
As is obvious from the FSM site, there are strong feelings in the US (and elsewhere, of course) that Christianity, it its many forms, will be forced upon citizens by the government — in this case, the citizens are children, and the governmen is the public school. That is, ID (Intelligent Design) commonly refers to the Christian version of ID, though there are many, many, *MANY* others.
Notably, Christians in the US are not united in supporting ID in public schools. Many even oppose the idea, out of respect for the religious (or non-religious) beliefs of others. Sadly, there are still examples in many public school districts of Christian favoriatism, either in classroom content, preferential support for Christian extra-curricular activities, or simply observance of Christian relgious holidays with no regard for non-Christian holidays.
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@ All pastafarians, atheists, humanists, Brights, and free-thinkers,
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Ahoy there!
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I’m copying this post onto a few threads because I’d like as many people as possible to notice it. (Bobby, if you should read this, is there any chance of a new thread?)
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You might have spotted on these pages Richard Dawkins’ high-profile references to the FSM, unmasking himself as at the very least an honorary pastafarian and certainly a friend of pirates the world over. He’s done his bit for the FSM – here’s a chance to return the favour.
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His many books on evolution and, in particular, his recent book ‘The God Delusion’ have influenced a lot of people here.
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Anyway, here in Britain, one of our national newspapers, The Daily Telegraph, in conjunction with Morgan Stanley, is running the third annual ‘Great Britons’ awards. People are invited to vote for the British person they think has been the most ‘Great’ (somehow) in each of seven categories.
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Me salty guts tell me that a hearty lot of pirates’ll want to support their own and put their cutlasses behind Richard Dawkins, by far and away Britain’s noodliest man of 2006, and doubtless also he of the biggest meatballs.
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I nominated him earlier today, in the ‘Campaigning’ category. You can add your nominations by visiting greatbritons.org. It takes barely a minute and might help one of the FSM’s finest sea-dogs to the gain the legendary status he deserves. You can even put in a 50-word explanation of why he gets your vote, which would probably strengthen the case (if you’ve anything to say). If you’d like to know more about him, try visiting richarddawkins.net.
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Douglas Adams fans might like to note that Dawkins and Adams were close friends and that Adams credited Dawkins’ books ‘The Blind Watchmaker’ and ‘The Selfish Gene’ as having influenced his reasoning towards atheism. Dawkins wrote a ‘Lament for Douglas’ immediately after Adams’ death, and delivered a eulogy at his funeral.
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I’ve a second reason for recommending this. The Telegraph ran an article by regular columnist Charles Moor on Saturday that dismissed ‘The God Delusion’ as ‘fashionable’ and gave a very selective, wilfully interpreted representation of its content. It’s a good newspaper but pretty thoroughly conservative – not an obvious place for pastafarianism to thrive. In light of this, I think it doubly worthwhile to demonstrate the strength of support that Richard enjoys among the world’s many pirates to the Telegraph.
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(Note – I’ve left http:// off the website addresses in this post, as the first couple of times I tried to post it, it got stuck awaiting moderation. Hopefully this’ll help.)
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Nominations for the awards continue until November 24th. If ye can spare a second of plunderin’ time, set a course for greatbritons.org and add your cannon to a broadside for free thinking and the FSM!
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May His Noodly Appendage be upon ye all.
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RAmen
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For the Kanass eds. The hills are alive with the sound of billies. Pasta damn you.
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look at these adult photos
pictures of bambine
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Honestly I think this entire thing is ridiculous. Six conservative idiots should not be allowed to change the entire science curriculum of an entire state to a religious school. I’m Catholic, and I still think it’s stupid to teach religion in a science class. The Bible is NOT scientific evidence!!! FSM is such a great way to represent the stupidity of the average American today… as is the fact that George W. Bush is still president.
And I’m pretty sure God is forgiving, Mrs. Kathy Martin. Especially in cases of hilarious mocking that is only being used to display the stupidity and unfairness of the world today.
Sincerely,
Me
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Dear Spaghetti Monster, woman (Mrs Martin): How ignorant can you be??
As Einstein once said:
Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I’m not sure about the universe
I think you proved that point! Congrats
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I am twelve years old Mrs.Martin, and at first I was catholic, but realized its stupidity and became an athiest. Now at 12 years I have embraced the true religion and have come to know the warm noodly goodness that is Him.
Ramen.
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Love the prayer Cheesus Christ.
RAmen!
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Hello,
FSM has got to be one of the best things i have ever heard. I am now a believer in Him, anyway thanks for having a hate mail section because i love when christians write in about FSM being stupid and thinking that we are all stupid for believing in FSM. When the SAME is true about their religion. so keep your god to yourself and don’t hate on FSM. RAmen
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From: Mrs. Kathy Martin, District 6
“It is a serious offense to mock God.â€
Yes! Those who knock FSM shall drink stale beer. Alone!!
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THE RATH OF THE NOODLES SHALL COME UPON YOU, KANSAS IDDIOTS AND ALL CREATIONISTS!!!!!!!!!!!
If there is an end, it will always be coming nearer. Take THAT, Jehova’s witnesses that clutter up my doorstep!!! BURN AND MAY THE NOODLES COME IN FORMS BEAUTIFUL AND TERRIBLE!!!!!
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Whoa! We’ve got a fundamentalist pastafarian here.
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THANKS
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Sure! See how they like spending eternity in boiling marinara!
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…
What is a God to do? Why would a loving God create Children, unless S/He wanted them to grow up, someday.
Sadly, there is little evidence of encrouching adulthood anywhere near those who presume to make decisions for others. Case in point, the Kanas Education Board, those who presume to be smarter than all others, those who will be Mommies and Daddies for all those Children of God out there who cannot think for themselves.
Should the Judeo-Christian God be true, then it must follow that Ms. Martin and her ilk are indeed a more advanced creature, closer to God, smarter than the huddled masses, doing His Divine Bidding. All unwilling, Ms. Martin will bring all these dumb kids to the Glory of God, kicking and screaming if need be.
However, should this narrow definition of God not be factual, then Ms Martin is, far from being an advanced Angel of Light, a tyrant of the worst description. With force, without regard for the rights or feelings of millions of others, she and her klan will impose their version of truth upon all others.
Perhaps the Martins of the world can be excused, though… after all, this method is how religion has spread, all over the world. By the sword, by the gun, by the lawbook, it has been crammed down the throats of those otherwise ignorant or apathetic.
Be it Odin, Zeus, Mithra, God, FSM, Budda, Casper, or Oogly-Boogly, your God is yours, and you are welcome to him. When you beat on my door, call my home, or indoctrinate my kids, you have crossed the line. You are no longer a humble Child of your God, you have become a Warrior *for* God, and it that, no different than any other Jihadii.
Let’s not allow Kansas, or any other U.S. State, come to look like a neighborhood of the Taliban.
Me? I’m going to try to grow up, eat some spaghetti, and have a beer. Have a nice day, Kansas.
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It’s said that the Christian God created man in his own image. It is now clear to me that man created God in man’s own image. (How else to justify all the crap that is attributed to God?)
Thank you , Kathy for being another piece of evidence that my hypothesis is correct. Conversely, the FSM is clearly NOT created by man in man’s own image. Hail to FSM, the true creater.
Har
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Hail to the Noodly Master!
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@Magi
“However, should this narrow definition of God not be factual, then Ms Martin is, far from being an advanced Angel of Light, a tyrant of the worst description….”
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A self appointed dictatorship.
RAmen Magi
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A deiocracy, the heinous of all governments.
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RAmen
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Not as bad as theocracy, Jingles, not as bad as theocracy.
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Hello
I’m new here and just wanted to say I love this place! But then that’s what we aussies do the best… LOVE!
Apparel
Cya!
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After waiding through a lot of dross it is Nice to see someone putting time and effort into providing decent information.
Hope you keep it up! pctv Have good xmas.
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Wow… Australian spam infesting the pastary goodness… I feel a deep sense of national shame.
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@J… Ahh, but at least you can fight a theocracy… in a deiocracy, you can never find that blasted dictator (deiocrat?) to depose him.
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In other news… I have to ask, has the church of the FSM gotten full religious status yet? If not, why not? After all, we surely deserve tax free status far more than a bunch of old geezers in funky robes.
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I mean, why should a pirate pay tax on his plunder!
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Or her plunder for that matter…
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I may just, technically, be an irish kid of the age of 15, but if god is perfect,, why would he feel the need to create anything, much less an imperfect world? If to be perfect is to be complete in every sense, then why would he feel the desire to create, and why would he feel the need to tempt his people. To me this suggests either sadism , or really having nothing better to fdo with his time. If anyone wants to hear of anymore arguments against God(s) i’ve got a few more cooking here. And by the way, in case you haven’t noticed,im not tryinfg to offend your beliefs, these are merely my own. I do not wish to force my beliefs on anyone, I merely seek an answer to my questions. thank you so very much. Cead Mile Failte and May the wind be ever at your back. There is no more proof of the existence of the deities of islam, christianity, Buddhism, etc. than there is of his noodlyness, therefore it is an equally valid theory,and therefore must be disproved before you can denounce it in this manner. Thank you.
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Hello.
I am lox, my email xrumer_2.9@mail.ru
Im stupid stealer and spamer.
I wanna you fuck me hard… ohhh yeaaaa))) Fuck my ASS! ))))
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i fucking love sir noodle god now, i actually have a religion now.
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do you know kathy, by typing the words you have typed you have offended over TEN MILLION Pastafarians world wide. This “letter” is the direct words of HE himself sent down through our prophet Bobby Henderson. Thus concluding that the eight words you typed have gravely offended Him. And to offend Him is NOT GOOD! It is he who controls everything!! You must now go to your nearest local Pastafarian Church and confess to what you have done or you will spend eternity in the Spaghetti Underworld!! Which frankly has NO spaghetti in it!!! Muhahahaha
-Blake Freedman
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I just love people like Mrs K. Martin- I really think she hits the nail on the head when she tries to mind my business for me– wow imagine little old me trying to mind my own business when such sages as her are out there willing and ready to mind my business for me.
What’s next– public torture in the name of God?
Why do only some feel they have to moral priveledge to correct the world’s morals?
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Nice to see someone putting time and effort into providing decent information keep it up! Criminal Justice For All
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I thought i had trouble with the teachings of non-pasta based religions here in the UK.
All Hail the noodly Master.
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Hi
Please, give me link to any Promotion program – wanna to download!!!
Thanks.
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Agghh… the spam.. it just won’t die!
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Wonder why it is infesting this page in particular?
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Sick of crappy 411 service? Try this next time u need to [url=spaces.msn.com/members/telephonedirectory/]reverse a phone number[/url] Trust me, it
is a hell of alot easier than using yellow pages or the phonebook!
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You all mock the very existence of Baby Jesus and all that God holds sacred! Fie on all of you for worshiping the Devil in disguise. This website is hosted by a Satan Worshiper and he is bringing you all into his train of evil thought through this very website!! Denounce this Spaghetti Monster Satan Demon Meat!!!!
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Mrs. Martin,
Methinks me smells a hoaxster.
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OOh………..detention for every one!
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Definately Marcus! Mrs. Martin doesn’t use her own name when she posts damning communiques.
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@kathy martin
-if hell has hot girls, then i’m ok
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Sick of crappy 411 service? Try this next time u need a [url=spaces.msn.com/members/telephonedirectory/]telephone directory[/url]. Trust me, it
is a hell of alot easier than using yellow pages or the phonebook!
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Why are pirates pirates?
BECAUSE THEY YARRR!!!!
(say it out loud, it makes more sense!)
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Lonely sea-dog, 6′1″, dashing build, tanned, one eye an’ many luverly scars, seeks lusty wench to repopulate the faith.
Yaharrr!
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It’s interesting to me that conservative Kathy Martin would comment, “It is a serious offense to mock God.” when what is really being mocked are the self-righteous like Kathy Martin who act as if they are God’s agents. Is confusing your opinions with God’s will a sin Kathy?
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Wasn’t there something in the book of Job about the people who came to Job and were all as if on speaking on God’s behalf, so he, their he, wiped them all out?
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I was born and raised Catholic and to this day maintain a Christian faith. I find the concept of teaching religion as science ridiculous and frustrating.
Thankyou FSM for pointing us all in the right direction with your noodly appendage!
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Hello, mondavoshki.
I am mudak and pizdabolio.
Also, I am EBLAN.
Gooooood night!
P.S. Pleaaassseee… fuck my ass))) my email spamprog@yandex.ru
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Well I supose I should say yes but I dont really want to it’s my choice after all one of the benefits of working at homw
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I hate spam!!!
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John “It’s interesting to me that conservative Kathy Martin would comment, “It is a serious offense to mock God.†when what is really being mocked are the self-righteous like Kathy Martin who act as if they are God’s agents. Is confusing your opinions with God’s will a sin Kathy?”
You are incorrect. mocking God is simply blasphame, and you don’t need to be a God to know when God is being mocked. It is in the bible. Just because a human, like me, says someone is mocking God doesn’t mean I am being arrogant or self righteous. What is being said is that someone crossed the line defined in the holy writings of Christianity, and as such, God has been mocked. No whether God cares or not is above me and anyone else on the planet. All we can know is that thousands of years ago, God gave us his scriptures, and within this book, he says what can be considered blashpeming or not.
And this Spaghetti monster is exactly that. Just because some nuts in the religious community try to cover intelligent design over religion to pass it off as a scientific aspect doesn’t mean everyone in feels the same way. ID mocks God, and so does this Spaghetti monster idea. I am against both.
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If you really are Mrs. Kathy Martin, and are incensed with all things God-critical, could you at least spell check your output before posting it?
It’s “blasphemy” and “blaspheming”.
Your sentence construction and punctuation are also a little on the slack side for someone who reached the heights of a state education board.
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I don’t know,sounds pretty typical for a member of the state education board.
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“Mock” is easier to spell…
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Ms. Martin,
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I’m curious, would pissing on a cross be considered blasphemous or sacrilegious? You see, my understanding is that if you simply say, “piss on your cross”, then that would be blasphemy. However, were you to actually piss on a cross, then that would be sacrilegious. The primary distinction is whether your sin is one of speech or action.
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I’m curious because I wonder which one this site is. Is what we do here an actual action or is it just words? As I am sure you know, the Bible demands death to blasphemers. On the other hand, acts of sacrilege have a much more flexible penalty structure. Odd that words carry a more stringent penalty than action.
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Personally, I think this site counts as an actual action, but I’ll defer to your judgement. Seriously, if this site is blasphemy, then I need to go find me a cross to piss on. I’m not ready to die just yet.
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OEJ
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Sinking a pirate ship would almost certainly be considered sacrilegious, arrrrrrrrr.
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OEJ, you’re doomed. If you’re a murderer and a shoplifter, they don’t try you for shoplifting.
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See you on death row.
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@ ‘Mrs Kathy Martin’
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‘ID mocks God’
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Wow, *there’s* an anti-ID argument I haven’t heard before. Behe and Dembski would *love* that.
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True enough J. Probably just grasping at straws anyway. Pretty much every sin in the Bible calls for death.
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OEJ
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I have to admit that I have “less than skimmed” the comments here. What I find fascinating is the FSM challenge. Not the FSM challenge to ID, but the FSM challenge to evolution. In science, any challenge to a theory, hypothesis or even a “law” is welcome. So should it be with anything scientific. ID, FSM and evolution are all subject to scientific critique, or they are to be rejected by the scientific method as being non-scientific. ID and FSM are criticized here (and elsewhere) as being below the standards of scientific critism. They are both relegated to the realm of “faith”. Why then, while criticism is supposedly welcome in science, is evolution shielded from the same criticism that is intended to bolster the emperical understanding of what is clearly obesrevable? Should not evolution theroy be subjected to observation and discussion about any flaws or leaps of logic contained within it? Where is the debate about problems with the theroy of evolution? If students were challenged to scientifically analyze a proposition on anything (we might use cold fusion as an example), would we not expect them to propose challenges to the conclusions of the proponents? Why must any theory (ID, FSM, or evolution), be immune from scientific criticism? Why is it a problem to point out shortcomings in the theory of evolution? No alternative is required to challenge the conclusions posed by valid scientific theory. Why then, is an alternative required to challenge the theory of evolution?
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I apologize for the lisdexic speling erors ;)
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“Why is it a problem to point out shortcomings in the theory of evolution?”
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They would be?
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“Why then, is an alternative required to challenge the theory of evolution?”
An alternative to evolution has not been required. The scientific community has accepted that “evolution” is evidence for “Dawin’s Theory of Evolution”
Please note that Dawin’s “theory” has been constantly by the observed processes of evolution.”
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Please note the distinction between Darwin’s Theory of “The Origin of the Species”
and evolution.
Darwin provided a “theory of evolution” which, has in fact been supported by the observed natural processes of evolution itself.
ID is not considered an alternative by any reputable scientific observation and therefore cannot be not considered an “alternative theory” It is in fact considered as perpetuation of junk science intended to extend the perpetuation of the christian belief system.
Put simply ID is faith and evolution is science!
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“Where is the debate about problems with the theroy of evolution?”…..
…..Why must any theory (ID, FSM, or evolution), be immune from scientific criticism?”
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Any scientifuc critiscism has mostly been and gone. (not that there was any huge debate…over a few very very small details of a very huge picture maybe)
All scientific observations are thouroughly checked out and tested by peers in the same ,and often other, scientific fields. The reason evolution stands up so strongly, is that
any peer analysis (i.e. analysing the conditions under which research was conducted
and recording the observations) has produced only supporting evidence.
The ID people are relying on, their christian supporters ignorance of evolution (and science for that matter) to push ID as science.
It is only those ignorant of the unquestionable evidence who assume no criticism.
The ID authors themselves know evolution is supported by irrefutable evidence.
Religion is big business. Go figure.
Quite simple really!!
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BTW
The ID mis-representations should be considered as a challenge to the molecular biologists and geneticists, (include other fields of molecular biological reseach), as it is from these fields that evidence of evolution is now presented on a daily basis. I don’t think they (ID’ers) would be game to challenge “them” though. Mind you even most general biologists use molecular tools now, so I guess we are all one and the same in the big picture.
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@leucine
“I have to admit that I have “less than skimmed†the comments here.”
I suggest you have a good read around the site. Look at some of the threads such as “Evolution is a fraud” & “Was the world created by god, evolution or pasta”
It’s just that everyone gets sick of having to say the same things over and over again, so best to find out what has been covered if you would like to debate the subject.
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leucine…
Currently, there is no alternative to evolutionary theory. It is the pinnacle of biological study because it is based on a solid foundation of biological principles. The mountain of evidence supported by peer-reviewed journals is the result of years of critical analysis. Holes in the theory are openly challenged on a regular basis and when new information is discovered the theory becomes modified.
ID is religion masquerading as science. Its proponents use political coercion to support their position. The scientific evidence supporting ID amounts to less than a grain of sand. So how can you claim that it is a valid alternative?
Don’t believe me? See the Kitzmiller vs. Dover decision.
Or for more intensive information: http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/list.html
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From: Mrs. Kathy Martin, District 6
“It is a serious offense to mock God.â€
Maybe, but the penalty is much better than the 20yrs to life you get for believing in “it”.
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I have to add my two cents. Leucine, it seems to me that you have mistakenly confused FSMism with evolution. You wrote, “ID, FSM and evolution are all subject to scientific critique, or they are to be rejected by the scientific method as being non-scientific.” Of the three, only evolution should be subjected to scientific critique because it is the only scientific theory of the three. Many of us are evolutionists, but Pastafarianism is a religion, not a science. Of course, there is science involved in creating the perfect alfredo sauce, but that’s a different matter altogether. Maybe what you are referring to is the proof offered by Pastafarianism. Yes, you may criticize the global warming-pirate data, yet that will not diminish our faith, just as scientific criticism of Christian “facts” about the timeline of the earth, all animal life being transported and maintained on a huge boat, etc. seems to have no effect on many Christians’ beliefs in God and the veracity of the Bible. I don’t worry about evolution being criticized. As has been previously mentioned, the theory of evolution has been scientifically investigated, analyzed, pulled apart, and put back together again, and it has only become more solid as a result.
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Thank you all for the replies. I want nikkiee to understand that I was not raising ID to the level of science. In fact, I don’t think ID should be taught in school as science. Mad John Kid and Cap’n Saucy also seem to fall into the same trap about defending evolution with a not quite complete understanding of the shortcomings in the extrapolation from so-called micro evolution (proven natural selection within a species) to so-called macro evolution. It is here that there are no “mountains of evidence” merely examples of conjecture very much like the one so eloquently illustrated by the pirate global warming correlation. It is that (evolution theory problems) which should be debated by students of evolution. Having debated this issue ad-nauseum, it always comes back to “it must be evolution because there is no other possible explanation” and the shortcomings of evolution theory are glossed-over so belief in evolution becomes much more of a faith than a science.
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leucine,
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Please give some examples of the shortcomings of evolutionary theory. I accept that it is not without flaw. All theories have the potential to be improved as our understanding increases. However, I also know that evolution is the best theory out there that fits the evidence we have.
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So, rather than simply saying that evolutionary theory is flawed, give some specifics that can be discussed.
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Hi, leucine,
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Thanks for the nice, clearly written post.
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I’m not persuaded by this ‘yes, there’s intra-species microevolution, but there’s no evidence for species-changing macro-evolution’ argument. We are talking about hundreds of millions of years, here. Microevolution, added to microevolution, added to microevolution over the eons… At some point, this (quite obviously, it seems to me) adds up to the sort of macroevolution of which you speak.
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I’m no biologist, but it strikes me that the animal kingdom did not arrive in a neat filing system carefully divided into ’species’. The term ’species’ is a human-made distinction to help us to say meaningful things about different life forms. At what point does something become a different species? This is a matter of quite fine distinction even taking a synchronic perspective – ie, when dividing up the natural world as it appears before us today.
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But once we try to take a diachronic perspective, things get really messed up. It’s easy enough to say that a dinosaur is a different thing from a chicken. But suppose we find found a family of million-year-old polar bears perfectly preserved in a block of ice. How different from today’s polar bears would they have to be for us to count them as a different species?
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A verbal illustration from a Dawkins book pops back to mind. It was something along these lines: imagine you were to hold hands with your mother, and she with hers, and she with hers, and she with hers in a long line. You are standing on the west coast of Africa. We’d reach a common anscestor with modern-day chimpanzees somewhere in the middle of the continent (if I remember rightly). From that common ancestor, we pursue the generations back towards the modern day as we move east, but this time taking the chimpanzee lineage. Modern chimpdom stands on the east coast.
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Now, if you or I were to walk along this line of apes, there’s no reason to suppose that at any point we’d suddenly see a massive change from one person to the next. Height, posture, skull shape, hairiness, hand and foot morphology – these things may change so gradually from one generation to the next that we can barely spot the difference. Even craning our neck from side to side, taking in tens of generations at once, we’d be hard pressed to see a difference. But, sure enough, by the time we’ve crossed Africa, we’re looking at a chimp. Like watching a cloud change shape in the sky – so slowly that you can barely tell it’s happening, until suddenly it’s no longer a big grey whale but a weasel.
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Anyway. Fancy the job of trying to divide our millions of apes across Africa into seperate species?
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Last thing. It might not be all quite as smooth I’ve suggested. If you doubt macroevolution, I guess you doubt macromutations – the sudden big, visible changes from one generation to the next that’ll either die off fast or push a species in a new direction. Well, they do happen. There’s a photo in ‘Climbing Mount Improbable’ of a toad with its eyes in the roof of its mouth that was found surviving wild in a Canadian garden. I personally have a friend who was born with an extra finger on each hand (at midnight, in a thunderstorm no less!). As I remember, Ripley’s Believe It Or Not have spent years basing their marketing on some poor fellow with two pupils in each eye. And perhaps check out this book for more human macromutations:
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[http://www.]
[amazon.com/Mutants-Genetic-Variety-Human-Body/]
[dp/0142004820/ref=pd_sxp_f_r/002-5481250-8866405]
(Remove square brackets and stick the whole lot together)
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Big mutations leading to big survival advantages or disadvantages, leading to more noticeable steps forward in evolution. Suppose our mouth-eyed toad somehow enjoyed a strong survival advantage owing to his mutation. Mouth-eyed toads would begin to spread and prosper over the course of a few generations. Would you call this a new species? I’d be tempted.
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Cheers.
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leucine
“a not quite complete understanding of the shortcomings in the extrapolation from so-called micro evolution (proven natural selection within a species) to so-called macro evolution.”
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These extrapolations are well and truely supported by molecular investigations of genetic homologies between different species.
Macroevolution is the accumulation of mutations within a population which are benefical to survival & reproduction of that organism within its particular range of hebitation. Macroevoluion is continuously supported by analysis of homologous DNA sequences and gene function across different species.
Micro evolution refers specifically to the genetic mutations.
The extrapolation of microevolution to macroevolution is so well supported, that it is the basis upon which most biomedical research is conducted. In fact, it is the reason we are able to pinpoint and explain why and how a particular mutation, or abherrant gene function, results in a genetic disease. Genetic diseases are inherited. Research is conducted via analysis of the function and structure of homologous genes in vastly diverse species. Commnly used are fruit flies, earthworms and rats, due to these having conserved closely related DNA sequences to humans. Other reasons include ethics, short generation periods, low cost of maintainence and ease of handling.
Enviromental selection pressures for macroevolution may include a sudden change in a populations range (habitat), an example being an earthquake.
New survival pressures come into play and those with a beneficial mutation (probably an extreme phenotype in the past), one which aids survival in a different habitat, will survive, breed and reproduce, therefore passing this mutation on to offspring. The accumulation of such mutations over large periods of time results in diversion into a new species from the old.
A new disease may also result in culling of those without an adequate genetic toolbox.
Time requires that I only provide these few examples of macroevolutionary pressures out of the vast array which has been observed.
I’m not sure what sort of education you have recieved/are recieving, but I feel yopu have not been exposed to any of this information. It is common knowledge to those with any schooling in microevolution in Australia.
As stated above, biomedical research has been carried out sucessfully, based on our knowledge of macroevolutionary relationships, for many years now. (since it was found that denatured DNA would re-anneal under the right conditions in the mid- sixties)
I am often tempted to warn those, who are not a result of macroevolution, to inform their doctor, lest they be they be directed to take/undergo some medical preparation which has been developed as a result of such research and findings. These people would have a different physiology to the rest of the planets population and therefore anything produced, based on evolutionary relationship, could be harmful to them!
Appologies if I’ve repeated any of the above posts, but as usual, I am mean’t to be doing something else!
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leucine
“…so-called micro evolution (proven natural selection within a species) to so-called macro evolution….”
The word “so” has no place in that statement.
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Perhaps we should look into getting health warnings, for those that are not a product of macroevolution, put on prescriptions.
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Oh, I *so* love it when she talks moleclar biology…. ;-)
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nikkiee…
So would these unique individuals who are not the result of macroevolution be classified as subhuman?…or am I just being rude, crude, and socially unacceptable? Then again, I am a pirate. Arrgh!
RAmen and pass the Parmesan
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The subhuman tag would likely offend them, Mad John. Perhaps “less evolved”?
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Non-evolutionary?
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Ahh……..”Genetically chalenged”
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Y’know, whenever I’m confronted by the nice, fluffy, “watchtower”-style Christian propaganda, I always think of the Eloi from H.G.Wells “Time Machine”. The Eloi were a genetically distinct sub-species of human, with a peaceful, calm, beautiful society. They also happened to be utterly without curiousity and free will, and were basically food animals for the other humans, the Morlocks.
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Have none of our Christian guests ever wondered why their saviour refers to himself as their “shepherd”, and them as the “flock”.
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Speciation, I’m all for it (licks lips).
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Do we get barbeque with the beer volcanoes, d’you think?
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DJS – I’m totally with you on the HG Wells reference, but I can see the Godist headlines now: ‘Atheists Indulge Cannibal Fantasies’…
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I don’t care, so long as they taste okay.
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“Genetically challenged” I lurve it!
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@Davey…I love Christians, they taste like chicken and go great with pasta…and beer.
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@ DJS and nikkiee,
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‘Oh, I *so* love it when she talks moleclar biology…. ;-)’
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You took the words right out of my mouth…
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Glad you’re here to hit ‘em with the hard science, nikkiee. As an arty sort, I’ve only got verbiage to play with. But when you bring out the real big cannon, I tell you what, you could hear a pin drop on my galleon.
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@J:
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“you could hear a pin drop on my galleon.”
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That’s not a euphemism for something furtive, is it? ;-)
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DJS, we’re on the same wavelength a lot of the time, but you need to anchor down that imagination, Jim lad.
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Hola. muy buen sitio, felicidades desde Mexico !!
Espero sigas trabajando en tu sitio web !!!
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“I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, but to be in silence.” — 1 Timothy 2:12
Think about it, Kathy Martin. It is a serious offense to mock the Bible. Stop being a hypocrite and resign your post, or lighten up and grab a bowl of spaghetti. Start being honest with yourself, then you might be able to be honest with others. Oh, and familiarize yourself with the Establishment Clause. That’s just embarrassing.
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Reloj Checador…
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Bueno, amigo! Recepcion a bordo del pirata del companero. Donde esta usted en de Mexico? Tristemente, la mayoria no tienen espanol en esto web del sititio.
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For the gringos, I said to him: Welcome aboard fellow pirate. Where are you from in Mexico? Sadly, most do not speak Spanish on this web site. (At least, that’s what I think I said, my Spanish is a little rusty.)
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But Nikki, genetic homologies is just further evidence of a common creator. Just because different species share traits doesnt mean that they have a common ancestor, its just means that god was lazy.
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btw, Reloj said: “Hello, very good site, congratulations from Mexico! I hope you continue working on your web site!!!”
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props to bobby!
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@ Devils Advocate
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I can just see that – God’s reference from his work on The Creation:
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‘Got the job done in just about a week. A few odd ‘vestigial’-style organs and quite a lot of inter-species corner-cutting. All in all, a decent worker. Omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscient, bit lazy.’
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@J
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God: “Oh, and may I introduce my son, the blood-sucking, flesh-eating zombie from hell which I came up with as a mere after thought. Sadly, these humans make such a big fuss over it.”
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Sorry, was that a bit harsh, or what?
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@ J
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Several attempts to reach you via email, concerning your Open Letter, have failed. I would be willing to add my name to the list but I’m not sure how to go about it. Any suggestions.
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One of my 14 year old physics students asked me:”Sir – what is the meaning of life”. Quick as a flash I replied “for a biologist it is to have sex and keep the species going. For a Christian it is to love each other.”
What would His-Noodleyness say?
What would the diehard ID fans say?
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@ J
‘vestigial’-style organs doesnt mean that they had no use at the time of creation. And its reasonable to think that if something works, then its perfectly OK to repeat the process. Apperantly God thinks its OK since thats how he created us.
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Styu2, are your biologist and Christian responses necessarily mutually exclusive? I don’t think they have to be. I don’t know what diehard ID fans believe is the meaning of life, and I haven’t read m7y Gospel enough to know what the FSM says is the meaning of life, but I imagine it would have something to do with metaphorically sailing the seven seas and generally having a merry time. That’s pretty simplistic, I know, but that’s about as close as I can bend the tenets of Pastafarianism to my own answer, which is “to be”. If reproduction and love enter the picture, great!
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Styu2,
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At the risk of sounding all existential, the meaning of life for any person is the meaning they decide. So, an answer to your student’s question would be something along the lines of, “What do you think?”
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Now let me put my pirate hat on. A Pastafarian might say, “Enjoy life and try not to be a prick.”
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An ID fan might say, “I don’t know. God hasn’t told me what to think yet.”
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OEJ
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Mocking God? sounds like a serious offense. Of course, that all depends on your view of God. Is God a omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscient being, or is he a Flying Spaghetti Monster. It’s your choice… I just caution everyone NOT to put God, FSM, Allah, Buddha in a box…either way he/she is far greater than us and not always to be understood. Does a flu virus understand humans…probably not…do we understand the true nature of the divine being…probably not…
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@Devils Advocate,
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The only reason we had the idea of a God was because it was assumed that the only way to make something complex was by having something more complex to produce it. That assumption can no longer be used due to evolution coming along.
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Now you are correct that a God could have done all these things but the odds are stacked against it, in the same way the odds that the Green elephants ruled the universe before the orange piglets took over. Now if I started preaching such things, then rightly so, I’d be mocked.
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In fact the odds that a God exist are so small that I’d write it mathematically as one over infinity, which as everyone knows this tends to zero.
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Saying things like “genetic homologies is just further evidence of a common creator. Just because different species share traits doesnt mean that they have a common ancestor, its just means that god was lazy” is just pointless as it is all but a proven fact that many of mans illnesses come from the fact that he has evolved.
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As it is said the imperfections within species prove evlution better then the perfection parts. IF God created us (and many other species) then he buggered up big time, blind spots, appendix that are not needed, illnesses due to certian parts of our bone structure not set up for upright walking.
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Theodore Nicholson
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God does not exist, trying to understand something that does not exist is as fruitless as saking who would win in a fight Dark Vadar or Spiderman?
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“Does a flu virus understand humans…probably not…do we understand the true nature of the divine being…probably not… ? ”
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A Virus does not have consciousness so the probably not part is definitely not. But this is still pointless as God was created by man, as a answer to questions he could not understand. We already know why man create God, and so our understanding of God is complete. Now the hard part is to unbrain wash the masses.
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@ Mad John Kidd, and ANYONE ELSE struggling with my email address in the Open Letter,
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I can’t explain this but, whilst the link in the letter doesn’t work, if you just type the email address as it appears, it should work fine. That’s what happens when I try to email myself, anyway.
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The FSM allows these minor technological weirdnesses as a way of testing us, I expect.
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Xmas coming again.Sorry if my englis is a little not good.
Como padres que decimos los juguetes son más un más costoso, la realidad son ellos son realmente relativamente un discurso más barato. El problema es cabritos ha perdido su palmo de atención. ¡Mi hija pasa una hora que mira a través de un sitio en línea de las compras y me dice que lo que ella desea para Navidad, toda cambia dos días más adelante! Rubydooby… un diverso punto de vista Esto es un sitio realmente fresco, sorry culd not write the english…but i like yur site.
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Ms. Martin,
If God is everywhere and everything, omnipotent and omnipresent, then no one can mock God- as it turns out, God is mocking himself. That also means that God is mocking you.
May noodly love descend upon thee…
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Mrs. Martin:
What is God but a figment of Man’s imagination? It is man who helps himself, and it is he who makes his own miracles. Besides, does not the 1st Amendment separate Church and State? if you want to teach religion in state schools, then go to Canada or Russia or some other country.
Don’t get me wrong, i am just as good a person as you. The difference is that i don’t force my religion on others.
Also, if the FSM relly is God (which it is) then are you not committing “a serious offense” by mocking Him?
May you be touched by His Noodly Appendage.
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Dear Kathy Martin:
Go and use your christianity as a pillow for your wrongs somewhere else!
Though Shalt Not Insultith The Wrath of The FSM!
RAmen
Now to eat some spaghetti…
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Devils Advocate Nov 12th, 2006 at 5:50 am
‘vestigial’-style organs doesnt mean that they had no use at the time of creation. And its reasonable to think that if something works, then its perfectly OK to repeat the process. Apperantly God thinks its OK since thats how he created us.
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I think you are trying to be clever and failing miserably. Either that or you are just painfully ignorant.
RAmen
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I don’t believe I mentioned boring?
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vestigial organs may have a small purpose, but the purpose wasn’t as big back in the old times (which could go back way more than 6000 years)
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Hi jesus. I couldn’t even be bothered to get into it tonight with the above post. It’s 1.30am and I’ve got to leave again in the morning.
But I’ll leave a question for it if it returns. Why don’t snakes have legs??
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@ Devil’s Advocate,
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Careful with your arguments.
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‘Apperantly God thinks its OK since thats how he created us.’
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That’s a cover-all. I could present any item of evidence that appears to suggest that a thinking god is unlikely or impossible, and you could give the same answer. It is the precise equivalent of our Pastafarian doctrine of the FSM changing all evidence everywhere so as to pretend not to exist. All you’re doing is putting your assumption that god exists *before* your attempts to think sensibly about things. This makes you impossible to reason with. As long as you keep doing this, you will be unable to reach any serious conclusions relating to religion or existence.
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vestigial organs are definite proof of evolution. the reason the fundies denounce them is because they don’t want to sound stupid. just because the whales ‘hip bones’ may be used in sex (hahahaha) they definitly are no good for walking. i wish my hip could help me with sex. too bad its not vestigial.
did i forget to mention that we have found fossils of whales with legs. however, they lived a very long time ago. i wonder what bullshit argument the fundies have for that.
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Hi J.
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Couple more question for our idiot design friend.
Why are there so many different bacterium? Why are there so many different types of viruses? Why so many species of insects?……. god being lazy and all.
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nikkiee,
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I think you’ll get a kick out of Julia Sweeney’s “Letting Go of God”. Check out this link.
http://www.juliasweeney.com/letting_go_mini/index.html
Go to “Sample Audio” and listen to the excerpt titled “Intelligent Design”.
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OEJ
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Thanks OEJ, I’ll have a listen. (if I can keep my eyes and ears open long enough)
RAmen
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@ Devil’s Advocate
Here is a link for you that will help you to find out what it is you are actually arguing about. Up to the challenger to provide the evidence. It’s the way of science.
I also believe in giving enough rope! It shouldn’t be too difficult for you to follow. It’s only a third year undergraduate text.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Search&db=books&doptcmdl=GenBookHL&term=Hox+Genes%3A+Descent+with+Modification+AND+dbio%5Bbook%5D+AND+132476%5Buid%5D&rid=dbio.section.5413
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Ooh, thanks for finding that link, OEJ. Dawkins goes on about Sweeney’s show quite a lot in The God Delusion. It hadn’t occurred to me to search for it yet.
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J,
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She had some great characters on Saturday Night Live. Her best known character was the sexually ambiguous Pat. A very talented lady. I’m waiting for the CD to arrive.
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OEJ
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OEJ
I enjoyed all the sound samples at that link, especially “there is no santa”
Also the great FSM smiled on me this morning for my late night dedication. My return trip away was postponed til tomorrow. Catch up time.
I’ve no time to visit once I leave again. Holidays at the end of the month will allow the dedication that His Noodliness truely deserves.
RAmen
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i guess everything is how you look at it…you can believe you came from dirt and rocks, you can believe a spegetti monster made you, maybe a supreme God made you…but none are science. Evolution? the only proven form of evolution is the adaptation of animals. Animals have changed in varities, dogs, wolfs and coyotes may have had a common ansetor…but they are all DOGS. Evolution is just as much a religion as them all. If you wanna talk more about it just email me “tylergoens@hotmail.com”. im not saying ID should be taught in school, im saying, get all religions out of schools. IF you believe u came from a random rock and random chemicals, start a church. But dont impose this religion on kids in school.
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TROLL ALERT!!!!
Yet another round of “spot the loonie”.
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Microevolution and macroevolution are part of the same process, only the scale is different. Evolution as a religion has been rejected by the US courts. Evolution does not explain any sort of ultimate reality, it stops with the development of life. It is a process not a tenet. It is based on a solid foundation of biological principles. ID should not be taught in science class because it is not science, it is religion. Take your blinders off and see the reality.
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T-G
‘…..you can believe you came from dirt and rocks,…’ ??
Is that what the ‘Church of the Rock Monster’ believes?
Ha! Rubbish!
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‘Animals have changed in varities, dogs, wolfs and coyotes may have had a common ansetor…..’
So does man, flies, rats, worms, bacteria (ect ect ect.) and every other living thing.
RAmen
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Note…..no rocks included with species having a distamt common ancestor.
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on whales with legs, they found a dolphin with hind legs on the coast of Japan or something like that, a throwback from the days when sea mammals were anphibious…
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“So does man, flies, rats, worms, bacteria (ect ect ect.) and every other living thing.”
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I’d also better add that they have no common ‘ansetor’, but do have a common ancestor.
I’m not sure about rocks? They may indeed have a common ‘ansetor’.
RAmen
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Maybe a common asteroid?
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Here’s the link to that dolphin with hinds legs…interesting article.
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http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory?id=2629683
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Why am i doing this? I should be finishing my report if I want to get paid. Aarrgh!
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Yes..yes..that is obviously what was meant. I can see that T-G chose ansetor because it was easier to spell.
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Also forgot to thank T-G for the offer:
‘…Evolution is just as much a religion as them all. If you wanna talk more about it just email me “tylergoens@hotmail.com .’
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Will take the offer up when I get tired of watching the grass grow. Won’t be as exciting, but diversity is after all, the spice of life.
RAmen
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I know how you feel. I chose 4 hours sleep last night, rather than miss out on catch-up of the past few days. I just got lucky this morning when my early morning trip was postponed.
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That’s a pinch of spice I can live without. I’d rather ’shuve’ jalapeno peppers up my nose.
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Hahaha………yeah that would work. I remember that eating Jalapenos stimulates signaling of one the neurotransmitters (still a bit too tired to remember the details), but I guess you would get a much faster and more pronounced effect via your nose. No posts have inspired me to that but thoughts of a session with alcohol and rusty razorblades has flitted accross my mind more than once.
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Oooh, kinky. I think I need a bleach bath after that one. You’ve fractured my fragile little mind.
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I think she needs to have sex more often.
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A talking car! A talking car! Witness His Noodly miracles!
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From the gospel of Maxwell (available in stores this faux-holiday season)…………………..and I witnessed a blessed miracle. A brilliant shine, like that of a thousand suns lept from it’s simonized hood. It’s chrome free from pitting. It’s tires deep black. Then, without even so much as an ‘excuse me’, it spoke! And it said unto us “I am 72Opel GT”, hear me! I think she needs to have sex more often!” I dropped to my knees and gave praise to FSM!! Praise be unto him! For he sent us this third talking car. We had become so weary of Kit and his lame jokes, and Herbie, with his incessant beeping; we never knew if he was using Morse code or just beeping and beeping randomly just to piss us……..
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Mrs. Martin, we’re mocking men, not God. Specifically, we’re mocking you.
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it is i, the semolina of you soul, the durum of your heart. look upon what you have done with my gift of life, the sublime wonder of the universe; how you have scorned my glutenous magnificence. you worship false idols, profane my name and spill thy seed upon the earth. you have defiled the holy of holy’s and eaten of the forbidden farina.
were i a vengeful panacea for fear and need, i would smite you with my todd english bottled, garlic flavored olive oil. yet i am a loving diety….. i forgive you and provide you with my nancy silverton leuvain fermented pan de mie.
“who is it that you say i am”
“i am whatever you say i am”
“i am the penne, i am the papardelli and all that lies between.”
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Sorry,I’m already the Penne,but your more than welcome to that papardelli stuff.
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Ms. Martin-
Whaddaya say we settle this playground style? The FSM challenges your God to a handball competition. My God can *so* kick your God’s ass. :P
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But in all seriousness, I think it’s utterly ridiculous that people get so het up about this. God is God, and science is science. I’m a practicing Catholic, but I don’t believe in combining religion and schools- *especially* within the science textbooks. I can worship God just fine without adhering to the limited, non-scientific, Biblical-literalist worldview.
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Whenever I think about some of my fellow “Christians”, I’m reminded of what Ghandi says, “I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians; they are so unlike your Christ.” Jesus promoted love, and it makes me sick to see him used to further hate and intolerance.
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Besides, who am I to say that God isn’t, in fact, the FSM? All I know is that *my* God has a sense of humor. To crib off the delightful Kevin Smith, just look at the platypus for proof of that.
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On the scientific side of things: I’m completely at sea in all things scientific, but even *I* can understand how evolution works. My personal favorite rebuttal of evolution is when people say, “It’s just a theory.” My response is always, “So is gravity. But I don’t see *you* floating… Could it be that in science, a theory is about as good as we can get? Why, I believe it is!”
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On a less serious note, I am ready to volunteer for the pirate breeding program. I want winter to come back, and if a saucy wench of a pirate captain like me can help, I’ll take one for the team. (Especially if those pirates I… ahem, take one from happen to be tall and muscular and scarred all over. Aye, matie, a hot pirate sets my wench’s heart all aflutter… :P) I will raise my pirate babies at the altar of the FSM, and they shall grow to be one with his Noodley Goodness, and the mozerella and marina shall flow down like a river from upon high. All Praise His Supreme Sauciness, The Flying Spaghetti Monster!
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I was just informed by God… You are all idiots.
Praise Baby Jesus and all his glory! Praise be our Lord Savior Baby Jesus who died on the cross for our sins!!
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Deary me, I was just informed by God that you have no clue what your talking about. Jesus wasn’t a baby when he died,he grew up first,-and so should you.
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@nikkiee,
It is your obligation to show that similarity (at the DNA level) is caused by common ancestory. The evidence shows similarity based on function.
leucine
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@ leucine
Actually, the mountain of evidence supporting a common ancestry is to large to list here. It is your obligation to show that it isn’t. ID has failed miserably at all levels. And as far as being based on fuction, have a look here.
http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CI/CI100.html
http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CI/CI101.html
http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CI/CI102.html
http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CI/CI110.html
http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CI/CI130.html
http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CI/CI402.html
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@ leucine
The mountain of scientific evidence supporting a common ancestry is far to large to list here. Since ID has shown no evidence whatsoever to support your claims, the burden of proof is on you, my dear.
http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CI/CI402.html
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@leucine
Look leucine, I’m really sick of responding to ignorant ID people.
It is your obligation to do some background research before you come posting broard and vague concepts.I suggest you come back after you read a couple of research papers. OK?
That are plenty of conserved homologous sequences that have diverged into having different functions, you know like gene families? (look at some cascade signaling genes)
Research some of the “knockout” and “rescue” experiments. They should lead you to other papers detailing conserved sequences that are involved in different function in different organisms. There are over 70 books at this site, all of which you can access and all of which reference relevent topic research papers
Go to: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=Books
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Especially: Developmental Biology (mind you this a few years old…c2000 and so much more reseach finding has been produced since then.)
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/bv.fcgi?call=bv.View..ShowTOC&rid=dbio.TOC&depth=2
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and it might also be worth your while (if you are indeed interested in getting FACTS) to seach throught the thousands of papers on PubMed at this link:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=PubMed
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It really is up to you, as a challenger to excepted evidence, to do a little more homework on the background research on gene simularities, functional homologies or otherwise, before you come in making big general statements.
For common ancestry DNA sequences, read some of the plethora of research papers on phylogenetics. (there are also a number of genes and genomes books on the bookshelf at NCBI) Hope those links help you to be a little more specific about what it is you are trying to say. I don’t mind having a debate, but you don’t expect me to spend all my time trying to explain evidence to someone who hasn’t even bother to do a little legwork for themselves. I really do have more important things to do with my time! Come back with a specific premise and we’ll go from there.
RAmen
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nikkiee Nov 18th, 2006 at 2:24 am
@leucine
Look leucine, I’m really sick of responding to ignorant ID people.
It is your obligation to do some background research before you come posting broard and vague concepts.I suggest you come back after you read a couple of research papers. OK?
That are plenty of conserved homologous sequences that have diverged into having different functions, you know like gene families? (look at some cascade signaling genes)
Research some of the “knockout†and “rescue†experiments. They should lead you to other papers detailing conserved sequences that are involved in different function in different organisms. There are over 70 books at this site, all of which you can access and all of which reference relevent topic research papers
Go to: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=Books
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Especially: Developmental Biology (mind you this a few years old…c2000 and so much more reseach finding has been produced since then.)
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/bv.fcgi?call=bv.View..ShowTOC&rid=dbio.TOC&depth=2
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and it might also be worth your while (if you are indeed interested in getting FACTS) to seach throught the thousands of papers on PubMed at this link:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=PubMed
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It really is up to you, as a challenger to excepted evidence, to do a little more homework on the background research on gene simularities, functional homologies or otherwise, before you come in making big general statements.
For common ancestry DNA sequences, read some of the plethora of research papers on phylogenetics. (there are also a number of genes and genomes books on the bookshelf at NCBI) Hope those links help you to be a little more specific about what it is you are trying to say. I don’t mind having a debate, but you don’t expect me to spend all my time trying to explain evidence to someone who hasn’t even bother to do a little legwork for themselves. I really do have more important things to do with my time! Come back with a specific premise and we’ll go from there.
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Bugga …my reply to leucine is awaiting moderation ….twice.
Where was the moderation when the scientology spam came through?
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nikkiee Nov 18th, 2006 at 2:26 am
nikkiee Nov 18th, 2006 at 2:24 am
@leucine
Look leucine, I’m really sick of responding to ignorant ID people.
It is your obligation to do some background research before you come posting broard and vague concepts.I suggest you come back after you read a couple of research papers. OK?
That are plenty of conserved homologous sequences that have diverged into having different functions, you know like gene families? (look at some cascade signaling genes)
Research some of the “knockout†and “rescue†experiments. They should lead you to other papers detailing conserved sequences that are involved in different function in different organisms. There are over 70 books at this site, all of which you can access and all of which reference relevent topic research papers
Go to: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=Books
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Especially: Developmental Biology (mind you this a few years old…c2000 and so much more reseach finding has been produced since then.)
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/
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and it might also be worth your while (if you are indeed interested in getting FACTS) to seach throught the thousands of papers on PubMed at this link:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=PubMed
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It really is up to you, as a challenger to excepted evidence, to do a little more homework on the background research on gene simularities, functional homologies or otherwise, before you come in making big general statements.
For common ancestry DNA sequences, read some of the plethora of research papers on phylogenetics. (there are also a number of genes and genomes books on the bookshelf at NCBI) Hope those links help you to be a little more specific about what it is you are trying to say. I don’t mind having a debate, but you don’t expect me to spend all my time trying to explain evidence to someone who hasn’t even bother to do a little legwork for themselves. I really do have more important things to do with my time! Come back with a specific premise and we’ll go from there.
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Appologies folks if too more posts the same come up above the last one. I got “awaiting moderation” twice and I think it may have had something to do with the links. I changed one of them and still got the message. So then I changed them all (took the https off them) and it came up.
RAmen
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Last point leucine, I’ve read the fundamental research, (have you?) which has been reviewed and supported by others (on the basis of their own research and results) and so I accept it. I didn’t notice any ID papers amongst any of it though?
RAmen
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You go, girl! Ya, I had a problem with that as well. Originally, I had six links listed but it wouldn’t go through so I settled for the one. Sounds like she’s parroting that tired old garbage from The Discovery Institute. Here’s a nice piece debunking one of their star proponents, Michael Behe.
http://www.pandasthumb.org/archives/2006/11/blind_mice_vs_b.html#more
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One more
@leucineHave a look at a few viral and bacterial mutations too leucine, it might help with the big picture.
RAmen
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Hi Mad John
Yeah, don’t they all. I’ve been to the pandas thumb link a few times. Even having to read Demski and Behe’s stuff the first time made me cringe, but ignorant people buy it.
I ran a search a while back through the scientific journal database to see what, if any thing they had published on ID in any journals. Zilch! All their opinions were published either via:
i) their own books
ii) as propaganda on their websites or
iii) in the Natural History Magazine (note: not journal) which is the only published scource of specific ID “papers”, (read ideas) as far as I could find, and can be found at this link:
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April 2002
Intelligent Design?
A special report reprinted from Natural History magazine:
http://www.actionbioscience.org/evolution/nhmag.html#introduction
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The article also another scientist answering and debunking each one of their propersitions.
RAmen
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Great Natural History magazine article. I actually have that issue and remember reading it when it came out. I had forgotten all about it as it is now buried in a pile of other issues. Thanks for the link. Saves me the trouble of having to dig it out.
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About Behe and Dembski’s qualifications: Even though the bichemists deal mostly with the biochemical pathways in metabolic physiological reactions, they can’t help but know that genes code for these, mostly, protein compounds. You can’t really avoid knowledge of genetic evolution working in this area, as this is what results in aberrant and novel compounds. Hence, the selling of the ID is a premeditated con. This knowledge however would normally be outside a mathematicians frame of reference and so Behe has little in the way of credentials in this field at all.
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Rather, the above article debunks their “propositions”!
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Oh that “Blind Mice vs Behe; the Evolution of Visionis” link is to a new posting Mad John.
I’ll take a look. Thanks
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err….Behe is the biochemist (not a mathematician as stated above) and Dembski is the mathematician. Shows how much notice I have taken of these guys since reading their bull the first time.
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nikkiee,
You brought up hybridization experiments. What you immediately do, is to label any criticism as being “fundie” or “ID” or anything else to hide the problems with evolution. It is a false dichotomy to do so.
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Hybridization experiments??????
Goodbye from nikkiee leucine. Have fun!
RAmen
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You mean the “knock out” and “rescues” and your point is?
Also I can’t see any real difference between your argument and the ID arguments (BTW I’ve read those too, as well as the numerous two way versions of it) Please have a read around the other threads! Then find someone else to play your game. OK
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Once again bye and RAmen
Nikkiee
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Well said, Nikkiee – there’s just no arguing with some people.
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You just can’t reason with some amino acids. I find tyrosine much more reasonable. Now there is an amino acid that knows where its aromatic ring is!
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Hello, my name is One Eyed Jack and I have a problem. I am a Chemistry geek.
Hello, Jack.
My last bad Chemistry joke was 2 seconds ago. If I don’t break this cycle I know one day I will be wearing a pocket protector.
We love you Jack.
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OEJ
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Hey Davey…..especially when they are aguing…….but not…..but then…..
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hahahaha OEJ
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I was actually hoping leucine might have a look at some of those links and look at things a bit more objectively. (sniff!)
I only just logged back in to tell leucine that I personally think maybe we could have FSM and ID taught as alternatives to evolution. Though perhaps not in that particular phrasing!
RAmen
catch you both later it’s way past my bedtime!
Nikkiee
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One day at a time, Jack lad, one day at a time. :-)
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After carefully considering all the evidence, I must admit (however grudgingly) that there is just as much evidence for the Flying Spaghetti Monster as there is for evolution. It only makes sense to teach them side by side.
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Well, Sam, there is just a weeeee bit more evidence for evolution than there is for FSM. Don’t tell Him that I said that, though. Oh hell’s bells, He knows what I am thinking, He knows when I’m awake.
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Sorry Sam. Our dear Lord baby Jesus doesn’t approve.
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Jesus doesn’t approve, ey?
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Now thats what I call a good reason to do it!
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Mrs Martin,
As religion is a matter of faith, there is no need to scientifically ‘prove’ its assertions. You believe, and that is your democratic right.
The Bible is the collected folk wisdom of an obscure nomadic tribe who carried a unique message during their travels and travails, namely, that there was only one God, creator of all things.
As an ethical system, Judaeo-Christianity has much to recommend it (if only those who purport to follow its teachings would actually practice what they preach), but it cannot and should not be the basis for science education.
Surely the best place to discuss ethics, morals, and our place in the Universe (whatever we perceive it to be) would be as part of a religious or philosophical education unit within the school syllabus.
The writers of the Bible were fallible humans, working within the limits of the knowledge of their time. They did not employ the scientific method to test what they were writing. Myths evolved to explain the human condition, why we die, how the world came to be, what are the correct ways to act towards one’s fellow humans.
By ‘myth’, I do not mean ‘lie’. Remember, a myth doesn’t have to be literally true. It focuses on moral issues and the human condition, and so is eternally true, speaking to the reader in a way that empirical observation cannot. This is why most of us would rather read a story than a science text.
But science requires the use of the scientific method, and unless you’re willing to apply it rigorously to religious belief (i.e., set out hypothesis and proof that God exists – and this will not be easy), you’re wasting your time and the education board’s budget.
As a thinking human being, I have issues with philosophies (religious or political) being taught as provable theories. Stalin and Hitler tried that, ‘proving’ that their respective philosophies could produce a ‘New Soviet Man’ or a ‘Master Race’.
Mrs Martin, I am not suggesting that your politics are in any way close to those of the two repulsive dictators mentioned above, nor do I believe that you are going to burn your neighbours alive if they don’t share your beliefs. But when people believe that they are absolutely right, and they have the ’science’ to back up their assertions, bad things can happen. Your philosphy and your outlook on life are between you and whatever deity you choose to believe in, but they cannot enter the realm of scientific fact. No metaphysical absolute can!
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@nikkiee
One must wonder why such a simple statement in a supposed scientific context is such a trigger for non-scientific rhetoric. The simple fact is that the SCIENTIFIC evidence does not support the conclusion of similarity being anything more than similarity. You (of course) know that. Before you make general statements about what is to be found by searching Google using the term “evolution”, (or referencing NCBI) you should know that “talkorigins” has it’s flaws, and NCBI makes no conclusions. It is the flaws in the evolution theory that are to be debated in order to decide if the SCIENTIFIC conclusions of MACRO-evolution are to be supported. Your Argument from Authority notwithstanding, you really don’t have anything else do you?
leucine
BTW, maybe if you try really hard you can respond in a single post?
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I do believe that Kathy Martin from District 6 is mistaken.
1.The Pastafarians have a belief, just like yours. It may sound crazy to you, but how would you feel if I said that your religion called christianity was a joke. You wouldn’t be very happy. You are disrespecting a person’s beliefs and that is not acceptable. Your so called GOD says that you should love all people. You are dis-obeying you’re own god by disrespecting the Pastafarians.
2. There is also something called the