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An elaborate spoof on Intelligent Design, The Gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster is neither too elaborate nor too spoofy to succeed in nailing the fallacies of ID. It's even wackier than Jonathan Swift's suggestion that the Irish eat their children as a way to keep them from being a burden, and it may offend just as many people, but Henderson, described elsewhere as a 25-year-old "out-of-work physics major," puts satire to the same serious use that Swift did. Oh, yes, it is very funny. -- Scientific American
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@ – jeremykeys,
I got a couple more interesting links. The first is a follow-up on the, “Creationism feels right…” link:
http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=religious-ideas-burrow-in-brains&SID=mail&sc=emailfriend
The second is a commentary by The Dali Lama that mentions our ID dispute in the USA:
http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=dalai-lama-talks-science&SID=mail&sc=emailfriend
RAmen
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@ – jeremykeys #949,
I absolutely agree with you, and I know that there are various levels of understanding in complex subjects. In chemistry, a model of the atom as a little solar system with electrons circling nuclei can seem to explain parts of the Periodic Table. A slightly more developed quantum model can also explain molecular shapes and reactivities and more. The mathematical and perceptual levels of abstraction between the two concepts is quite significant. For most people, the increased understanding using the quantum model allows one to abandon the more primative model. For those who cannot progress to more complex models that answer more questions there is a backwater of lab tech work that they are stuck doing. They will never be invited to cutting edge conferences, no matter how much they complain. Do we see this with ID proponents?
RAmen
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@ – Possible Convert #950,
Welcome aboard. Remember that there’s a thirty day free trial period, after which, if you’re dissatisfied with The CoFSM, you can have your old faith back, and they will probably take you back into their fold. The FSM wants all Pastafarians to be happy, and so it is approved to use vegetarian, or vegan, or gluten free or other modifications of the communion repast as medically or philosophically necessary. Remember, this meal is of symbolic value, and must be consumed joyfully. I prefer to take mine with some Pinot Noir.
I’ve read the Gospel of The FSM, and I haven’t seen this particular issue discussed, but in this massive responsa literature, it has been addressed several times.
The mission of excluding Religious dogma from the science curricula of the public schools, however, cannot be compromised.
RAmen
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I think I have been converted…I swear I felt something on my head and it just might have been His Noodly Appendage. I looked around and there was nobody, and since the FSM is invisible, the only logical explanation is that it was Him. I assume that its not the first time, but before I had not noticed.
Thanks to plumberbob for the reply.
Regarding the thirty day free trial, well, since I have been an atheist, there is no old faith to take me back. In any case, I think I have been convinced. I have nearly finished reading the Gospel, and found it very convincing. In any case, the parts I found unconvincing were probably put to test my faith.
I did gather from the Gospel that Pastafarianism welcomes vegetarians. In fact, I believe that animals were not part of the FSM’s original plan.
In fact, on page 92 (The Olive Garden of Eden), there is written that “Man wasn’t excited about eating pasta seven nights a week, so the FSM broke down, and brought him all the animals, and man renamed each as a food group…”
From this I gather that the original plan was for people to eat vegetarian pasta (no animals = no meat).
However, I also understand that the same way one should not force people to become Pastafarians (I’d Really Rather You Didn’t #1), so I should not force people to become vegetarians (which I already don’t). So there…no problem at all.
One bonus for me is that because I don’t eat meat, I eat more pasta, so I guess I fit right in.
I’m also sure that my contribution regarding the FSM’s original plan would be an interesting addition to theological discussion, since, as you say, you haven’t seen this particular issue discussed.
You can count me in as a new Pastafarian.
RAmen
P.s. I already managed to convert my 3 brothers (not through coercion, but through easy persuasion).
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@ Plumberbob. Sometimes I just get a little curious and after eating a nice spaghetti dinner I found this:
http://www.neac.eat-online.net/resources/italy/pasta_history.htm
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Here’s another one. Just thought you’d find this interesting.
http://www.thenibble.com/REVIEWS/MAIN/pastas/history-of-pasta.asp
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Wow, I tune out a couple weeks and we get growth, @ plumberbob, and now more links to read, I know I’ll love em but I’m up too late already ;)
@ convert guy Welcome to FSM Atheism is a religion in all legal senses of the word. Having said that his noodlieness is more fun.
@jeremykeys good to hear you are back on your feet.
back @ plumberbob, ok cool stuff.. but I’m off to work. Are you or Jeremy alive on the discussion forums as well or just here on the main page?
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Until recently I was atheist. But already now I can feel the warm touch of his great caring noodly appendage! Rejoice! LOL
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@ – Anon #955
This “LOL” you wrote…are you, perhaps, a member of the Legion of Linguini? I’ve heard about so-called “sects” and splinter groups of FSMism and have been wary of meeting one of their members, but who among us would argue against safe sects?
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@ – jeremykeys #955, 956,
Excellent histories! I realize that the sanctity of revealed scripture is such that it may never be changed or added to. It does seem to me, however, that there should be a method of providing commentary on the Gospel of The FSM. This would provide a secondary bulwark that might include some of the links that have been traded on this site. If they are voluminous enough, nobody will read or understand them all; We could hurl quotations and references out of context and wildly divergent from the subject being discussed, all under the guise of a sacred or at least semi-sacred source that cannot be questioned. But we know of nobody who would stoop that low, do we?
@ – Apostate #957,
I don’t know, but we may have a time zone problem in meeting on the discussion forum. I’m on Pacific Daylight time, and I think that Jeremy is three zones East of mine. A couple of the folks that I’ve traded notes with are in Australia. The time of day that I get to read and respond on this site is pretty Raggedy Andy.
RAmen
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@ Plumberbob. What? Me? Hurl quotations at the unknowing and unsuspecting? Why that would be accusing me of wanting to have (gasp) fun! I would never, ever have fun at someone else’s expense. Unless of course I could get away with it!
@ Apostate. Sorry. No I’m not on the discussion board. I already have enough nasty habits eating up my precious time. It’s really tough living a debaucherous existence. Between pasta, beer, pirate wenches, sleep, this web-site, and; oh yeah, I almost forgot, a job and a band, I don’t really have time for the forum. Maybe if I win a lottery, providing I remember to but tickets!
I was a very naughty boy today. I didn’t have holy pasta but an awesome chili instead. Woe is me. Good thing I have Tuborg beer to help pay for my sins.
I don’t know if either of you have seen George Carlin’s bit on religion but it still makes me laugh. Especially the part about praying to God on Sunday, his day off. Apostate, I live in Toronto Canada. I’m not sure of the time zone but I think it might be Northern Igloo time. Oh oh! Gotta go. Got another Polar bear on my balcony. They’re worse than pigeons. Much bigger poops!
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@ jeremy and bob,
Ok we won’t meet but here on the boards and cause each other the precious loss of sleep. I’m in Colorado which is Mountain time US, GMT – 6 I think, either way I see we’ve had a rash of hate mail and who knows maybe some of them will come back and actually be enlightened. If not there is always Pho.. I think I’ll partake of his noodlieness tomorrow..
-Apostate
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This topic is quite trendy in the net right now. What do you pay the most attention to when choosing what to write about?
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@ – How to Get Six Pack Fast #963,
As Pastafarians, we’re all here on this site to have fun and support each other. We do, however, need to keep our mission and our theology separate. Our mission is to prevent the introduction of any theology into the public school science curricula. Our theology is available as a back-up argument; when the Creationists try to stick their mythology into science classes, they must have ours in there too.
RAmen
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@ Sixpack I typically look through the hate mail section see if we have anything that moves me to respond. Moderation typically takes my comments 2-3 days so arguments can be slow but there is just something wonderful when we get the more moral than thous here ranting and they come to a dead stop as if beaned in the brain by a logic freight train. I have to admit I’ve been tempted to post some pro FSM rhetoric on Focus on the Family’s website since they are local here but the urge keeps passing since it comes with inherent risk of violent response.
-Apostate
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Ow my flying spaghetti monster, I love you
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@ – jeremykeys and all other pastafarians,
We got a good mention in the New York Times yesterday, and I thought that I’d like to share this with all of you:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/27/us/27atheist.html?_r=2&hp
RAmen
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Yargh! I just bought me Gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster!
I hope He be pleased to have a new follower!
RAmen
Praise the Noodle!
-GM
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@ Plumerbob: Sorry I haven’t been around in a while but I’ve gotten engaged, moved in with my fiance, and am packing to move us both to a larger apartment. I’ll try to show up more frequently but it will still be sporadic.
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@ – Jeremykeys -#969,
Mazeltov! I wish you both the very best.
Here’s a link that you may like. Southern Ptarmigan (tenth down on the comments section) is a Christian Evangelist who has the Creationist mythology in proper perspective:
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=letters-may-2009&sc=DD_20090508
Ramen
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I like the post that says that *god* is in any form that a person needs, whether its some old guy or a flying spaghetti monster. I wasn’t sure if there was a god or not, but now i am sure that there is something out there, and i believe it is female as well. Why would a male god make women so complicated? lol
Anyway, I am now a pastafarian and I like the comical and realistic aspects of it. if a christian belives that a virgin can have a baby and it’s a legitimate religion, why can’t the belief that a flying spaghetti monster be a real religion as well? The pirate graph is the best evidence ever. EVER.
RAmen
May His noodly appendage touch your life,
Christina
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I’ve just looked through ‘The Gospel of The Flying Spaghetti Monster’ and wow!
When i first heard of FSMism i thought i was being Joshed but after reading the evidence i have to say i’ve been converted!
May His Noodly Appendage touch everyone of you and bless you with shortness of stature!
Jessy
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@ Plumberbob. Hi there. I’m back again. Don’t know how frequently I’ll be here though. Just moved into a new place and we’ll be unpacking for monthes. I’ve got a great lady, she made me a fantastic spaghetti dinner and even bought me 12 of my favourite beers! It’s a light beer called Antigravity. Go figure! The only problem is that it’s getting hard to find. Up here in Toronto, our liquor stores don’t seem to support micro-breweries that much. It’s a shame, this is the best light beer I’ve ever tasted. Oh well, it’s late and time for bed. Hope to talk to you soon.
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You guys are doing a really good job with the FSM religion, it is important to stand up for what you think it’s right, and school shouldn’t be a place for others to impose what they “supposedly” think it’s correct, not minding the people’s opinion.
But in the other hand satirizing catholic religion shouldn’t be a way to do so, I it’s possible that in order to get attention you need to cause controversy but messing with other people’s beliefs it is a serious affair, and it would make people go against the FSM religion; therefore i think there should be a way to praise the FSM, but respecting the others beliefs.
I’m a medical student and catholic and there’s clearly evidence that creationism as it’s told is not something that shouldn’t replace the evolutionism theory, but at the same time it is hard to believe that such magnificent thing as the universe is, to the simplest cell, did not have some kind of intervention.
I guess tow hundred years are not enough to find a balance between science and religion and it will always be a matter of conflict.
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@ 974 – Aleks -,
In order for you to be a medical student, you have obviously learned how to pass tests and get very high undergraduate grades. You needn’t have taken any significant biology or statistics courses that would give any credibility in your casual dismissal of Evolution. The argument of complexity has been debated and debunked many times before, and you should study it well before you proceed down that path.
This is our website, and we are fully justified in defending our cause, which is the exclusion of religious mythology from public school science curricula, and our theology, which is a satire that depends on and and demeans no other faith or religion. You have obviously not read and understood both the Open Letter and the “About Tab” material as you were directed when you entered this site. I fear for your competence as a physician since you cannot follow simple instructions. An evidence based diagnosis requires a specific chain of examinations and observations and decisions which, if you cannot follow carefully, will lead to a missed diagnosis.
Carefully read the comments of Southern Ptarmigan (tenth down in the comments section) who has this question fully in perspective. S/He is a well educated evangelical Christian:
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=letters-may-2009&sc=DD_20090508
Remember that you believe whatever it is that you do believe in because it’s what your parents or priest believe:
http://www.sciam.com/podcast/episode.cfm?id=why-people-believe-what-they-do-09-04-10&sc=DD_20090413
As a physician be careful that you keep an open mind on everything relating to your patient’s care. You will be constantly surprised by unsuspected things. Do not get trapped in the Authoritarian mold:
http://home.cc.umanitoba.ca/~altemey/
RAmen
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Any chance of getting this in digital format for ipods and such?
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I used to be a devout Catholic, that is until the priest tried to touch me with his noodly appendage.
Then came the FSM and he changed my life. From now on, I shall only let the Flying Spaghetti Monster touch me with his Noodly Appendage.
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Behold all followers, here are the edicts from the Second Spaghtican Council:
(1) All prayers shall hereby in English or any language of choice. The creators of pasta had a strangle-hold on us thus far with their mandated use of Latin. No more!
(2) All infidels – those non-believers – shall have a pastwa issued against them and shall be whipped with 50 lashes from the most rotten of whole-wheat spaghetti
(3) All good pastafarians shall have 42 EVOO-made meatballs waiting for them in heaven, blessed by the touch of His Noodly Appendage
RAmen!
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I am a recent convert, and I rejoice in knowing the truth! I am proud to have been touched by His Noodly Appendage!
RAmen
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They can be difficult to create and maintain. ,
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I am a recent convert and have purchased the Gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster. May I continued to be touched by His noodly appendage.
RAmen.
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