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An elaborate spoof on Intelligent Design, The Gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster is neither too elaborate nor too spoofy to succeed in nailing the fallacies of ID. It's even wackier than Jonathan Swift's suggestion that the Irish eat their children as a way to keep them from being a burden, and it may offend just as many people, but Henderson, described elsewhere as a 25-year-old "out-of-work physics major," puts satire to the same serious use that Swift did. Oh, yes, it is very funny. -- Scientific American
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@ – jeremykeys,
I got a couple more interesting links. The first is a follow-up on the, “Creationism feels right…” link:
http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=religious-ideas-burrow-in-brains&SID=mail&sc=emailfriend
The second is a commentary by The Dali Lama that mentions our ID dispute in the USA:
http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=dalai-lama-talks-science&SID=mail&sc=emailfriend
RAmen
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@ – jeremykeys #949,
I absolutely agree with you, and I know that there are various levels of understanding in complex subjects. In chemistry, a model of the atom as a little solar system with electrons circling nuclei can seem to explain parts of the Periodic Table. A slightly more developed quantum model can also explain molecular shapes and reactivities and more. The mathematical and perceptual levels of abstraction between the two concepts is quite significant. For most people, the increased understanding using the quantum model allows one to abandon the more primative model. For those who cannot progress to more complex models that answer more questions there is a backwater of lab tech work that they are stuck doing. They will never be invited to cutting edge conferences, no matter how much they complain. Do we see this with ID proponents?
RAmen
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@ – Possible Convert #950,
Welcome aboard. Remember that there’s a thirty day free trial period, after which, if you’re dissatisfied with The CoFSM, you can have your old faith back, and they will probably take you back into their fold. The FSM wants all Pastafarians to be happy, and so it is approved to use vegetarian, or vegan, or gluten free or other modifications of the communion repast as medically or philosophically necessary. Remember, this meal is of symbolic value, and must be consumed joyfully. I prefer to take mine with some Pinot Noir.
I’ve read the Gospel of The FSM, and I haven’t seen this particular issue discussed, but in this massive responsa literature, it has been addressed several times.
The mission of excluding Religious dogma from the science curricula of the public schools, however, cannot be compromised.
RAmen
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I think I have been converted…I swear I felt something on my head and it just might have been His Noodly Appendage. I looked around and there was nobody, and since the FSM is invisible, the only logical explanation is that it was Him. I assume that its not the first time, but before I had not noticed.
Thanks to plumberbob for the reply.
Regarding the thirty day free trial, well, since I have been an atheist, there is no old faith to take me back. In any case, I think I have been convinced. I have nearly finished reading the Gospel, and found it very convincing. In any case, the parts I found unconvincing were probably put to test my faith.
I did gather from the Gospel that Pastafarianism welcomes vegetarians. In fact, I believe that animals were not part of the FSM’s original plan.
In fact, on page 92 (The Olive Garden of Eden), there is written that “Man wasn’t excited about eating pasta seven nights a week, so the FSM broke down, and brought him all the animals, and man renamed each as a food group…”
From this I gather that the original plan was for people to eat vegetarian pasta (no animals = no meat).
However, I also understand that the same way one should not force people to become Pastafarians (I’d Really Rather You Didn’t #1), so I should not force people to become vegetarians (which I already don’t). So there…no problem at all.
One bonus for me is that because I don’t eat meat, I eat more pasta, so I guess I fit right in.
I’m also sure that my contribution regarding the FSM’s original plan would be an interesting addition to theological discussion, since, as you say, you haven’t seen this particular issue discussed.
You can count me in as a new Pastafarian.
RAmen
P.s. I already managed to convert my 3 brothers (not through coercion, but through easy persuasion).
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@ Plumberbob. Sometimes I just get a little curious and after eating a nice spaghetti dinner I found this:
http://www.neac.eat-online.net/resources/italy/pasta_history.htm
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Here’s another one. Just thought you’d find this interesting.
http://www.thenibble.com/REVIEWS/MAIN/pastas/history-of-pasta.asp
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Wow, I tune out a couple weeks and we get growth, @ plumberbob, and now more links to read, I know I’ll love em but I’m up too late already ;)
@ convert guy Welcome to FSM Atheism is a religion in all legal senses of the word. Having said that his noodlieness is more fun.
@jeremykeys good to hear you are back on your feet.
back @ plumberbob, ok cool stuff.. but I’m off to work. Are you or Jeremy alive on the discussion forums as well or just here on the main page?
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Until recently I was atheist. But already now I can feel the warm touch of his great caring noodly appendage! Rejoice! LOL
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@ – Anon #955
This “LOL” you wrote…are you, perhaps, a member of the Legion of Linguini? I’ve heard about so-called “sects” and splinter groups of FSMism and have been wary of meeting one of their members, but who among us would argue against safe sects?
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@ – jeremykeys #955, 956,
Excellent histories! I realize that the sanctity of revealed scripture is such that it may never be changed or added to. It does seem to me, however, that there should be a method of providing commentary on the Gospel of The FSM. This would provide a secondary bulwark that might include some of the links that have been traded on this site. If they are voluminous enough, nobody will read or understand them all; We could hurl quotations and references out of context and wildly divergent from the subject being discussed, all under the guise of a sacred or at least semi-sacred source that cannot be questioned. But we know of nobody who would stoop that low, do we?
@ – Apostate #957,
I don’t know, but we may have a time zone problem in meeting on the discussion forum. I’m on Pacific Daylight time, and I think that Jeremy is three zones East of mine. A couple of the folks that I’ve traded notes with are in Australia. The time of day that I get to read and respond on this site is pretty Raggedy Andy.
RAmen
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@ Plumberbob. What? Me? Hurl quotations at the unknowing and unsuspecting? Why that would be accusing me of wanting to have (gasp) fun! I would never, ever have fun at someone else’s expense. Unless of course I could get away with it!
@ Apostate. Sorry. No I’m not on the discussion board. I already have enough nasty habits eating up my precious time. It’s really tough living a debaucherous existence. Between pasta, beer, pirate wenches, sleep, this web-site, and; oh yeah, I almost forgot, a job and a band, I don’t really have time for the forum. Maybe if I win a lottery, providing I remember to but tickets!
I was a very naughty boy today. I didn’t have holy pasta but an awesome chili instead. Woe is me. Good thing I have Tuborg beer to help pay for my sins.
I don’t know if either of you have seen George Carlin’s bit on religion but it still makes me laugh. Especially the part about praying to God on Sunday, his day off. Apostate, I live in Toronto Canada. I’m not sure of the time zone but I think it might be Northern Igloo time. Oh oh! Gotta go. Got another Polar bear on my balcony. They’re worse than pigeons. Much bigger poops!
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@ jeremy and bob,
Ok we won’t meet but here on the boards and cause each other the precious loss of sleep. I’m in Colorado which is Mountain time US, GMT – 6 I think, either way I see we’ve had a rash of hate mail and who knows maybe some of them will come back and actually be enlightened. If not there is always Pho.. I think I’ll partake of his noodlieness tomorrow..
-Apostate
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This topic is quite trendy in the net right now. What do you pay the most attention to when choosing what to write about?
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@ – How to Get Six Pack Fast #963,
As Pastafarians, we’re all here on this site to have fun and support each other. We do, however, need to keep our mission and our theology separate. Our mission is to prevent the introduction of any theology into the public school science curricula. Our theology is available as a back-up argument; when the Creationists try to stick their mythology into science classes, they must have ours in there too.
RAmen
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@ Sixpack I typically look through the hate mail section see if we have anything that moves me to respond. Moderation typically takes my comments 2-3 days so arguments can be slow but there is just something wonderful when we get the more moral than thous here ranting and they come to a dead stop as if beaned in the brain by a logic freight train. I have to admit I’ve been tempted to post some pro FSM rhetoric on Focus on the Family’s website since they are local here but the urge keeps passing since it comes with inherent risk of violent response.
-Apostate
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Ow my flying spaghetti monster, I love you
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@ – jeremykeys and all other pastafarians,
We got a good mention in the New York Times yesterday, and I thought that I’d like to share this with all of you:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/27/us/27atheist.html?_r=2&hp
RAmen
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Yargh! I just bought me Gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster!
I hope He be pleased to have a new follower!
RAmen
Praise the Noodle!
-GM
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@ Plumerbob: Sorry I haven’t been around in a while but I’ve gotten engaged, moved in with my fiance, and am packing to move us both to a larger apartment. I’ll try to show up more frequently but it will still be sporadic.
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@ – Jeremykeys -#969,
Mazeltov! I wish you both the very best.
Here’s a link that you may like. Southern Ptarmigan (tenth down on the comments section) is a Christian Evangelist who has the Creationist mythology in proper perspective:
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=letters-may-2009&sc=DD_20090508
Ramen
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I like the post that says that *god* is in any form that a person needs, whether its some old guy or a flying spaghetti monster. I wasn’t sure if there was a god or not, but now i am sure that there is something out there, and i believe it is female as well. Why would a male god make women so complicated? lol
Anyway, I am now a pastafarian and I like the comical and realistic aspects of it. if a christian belives that a virgin can have a baby and it’s a legitimate religion, why can’t the belief that a flying spaghetti monster be a real religion as well? The pirate graph is the best evidence ever. EVER.
RAmen
May His noodly appendage touch your life,
Christina
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I’ve just looked through ‘The Gospel of The Flying Spaghetti Monster’ and wow!
When i first heard of FSMism i thought i was being Joshed but after reading the evidence i have to say i’ve been converted!
May His Noodly Appendage touch everyone of you and bless you with shortness of stature!
Jessy
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@ Plumberbob. Hi there. I’m back again. Don’t know how frequently I’ll be here though. Just moved into a new place and we’ll be unpacking for monthes. I’ve got a great lady, she made me a fantastic spaghetti dinner and even bought me 12 of my favourite beers! It’s a light beer called Antigravity. Go figure! The only problem is that it’s getting hard to find. Up here in Toronto, our liquor stores don’t seem to support micro-breweries that much. It’s a shame, this is the best light beer I’ve ever tasted. Oh well, it’s late and time for bed. Hope to talk to you soon.
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You guys are doing a really good job with the FSM religion, it is important to stand up for what you think it’s right, and school shouldn’t be a place for others to impose what they “supposedly” think it’s correct, not minding the people’s opinion.
But in the other hand satirizing catholic religion shouldn’t be a way to do so, I it’s possible that in order to get attention you need to cause controversy but messing with other people’s beliefs it is a serious affair, and it would make people go against the FSM religion; therefore i think there should be a way to praise the FSM, but respecting the others beliefs.
I’m a medical student and catholic and there’s clearly evidence that creationism as it’s told is not something that shouldn’t replace the evolutionism theory, but at the same time it is hard to believe that such magnificent thing as the universe is, to the simplest cell, did not have some kind of intervention.
I guess tow hundred years are not enough to find a balance between science and religion and it will always be a matter of conflict.
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@ 974 – Aleks -,
In order for you to be a medical student, you have obviously learned how to pass tests and get very high undergraduate grades. You needn’t have taken any significant biology or statistics courses that would give any credibility in your casual dismissal of Evolution. The argument of complexity has been debated and debunked many times before, and you should study it well before you proceed down that path.
This is our website, and we are fully justified in defending our cause, which is the exclusion of religious mythology from public school science curricula, and our theology, which is a satire that depends on and and demeans no other faith or religion. You have obviously not read and understood both the Open Letter and the “About Tab” material as you were directed when you entered this site. I fear for your competence as a physician since you cannot follow simple instructions. An evidence based diagnosis requires a specific chain of examinations and observations and decisions which, if you cannot follow carefully, will lead to a missed diagnosis.
Carefully read the comments of Southern Ptarmigan (tenth down in the comments section) who has this question fully in perspective. S/He is a well educated evangelical Christian:
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=letters-may-2009&sc=DD_20090508
Remember that you believe whatever it is that you do believe in because it’s what your parents or priest believe:
http://www.sciam.com/podcast/episode.cfm?id=why-people-believe-what-they-do-09-04-10&sc=DD_20090413
As a physician be careful that you keep an open mind on everything relating to your patient’s care. You will be constantly surprised by unsuspected things. Do not get trapped in the Authoritarian mold:
http://home.cc.umanitoba.ca/~altemey/
RAmen
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Any chance of getting this in digital format for ipods and such?
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I used to be a devout Catholic, that is until the priest tried to touch me with his noodly appendage.
Then came the FSM and he changed my life. From now on, I shall only let the Flying Spaghetti Monster touch me with his Noodly Appendage.
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Behold all followers, here are the edicts from the Second Spaghtican Council:
(1) All prayers shall hereby in English or any language of choice. The creators of pasta had a strangle-hold on us thus far with their mandated use of Latin. No more!
(2) All infidels – those non-believers – shall have a pastwa issued against them and shall be whipped with 50 lashes from the most rotten of whole-wheat spaghetti
(3) All good pastafarians shall have 42 EVOO-made meatballs waiting for them in heaven, blessed by the touch of His Noodly Appendage
RAmen!
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I am a recent convert, and I rejoice in knowing the truth! I am proud to have been touched by His Noodly Appendage!
RAmen
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They can be difficult to create and maintain. ,
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I am a recent convert and have purchased the Gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster. May I continued to be touched by His noodly appendage.
RAmen.
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982 – bob,
Why? Did something happen to him? Is a horrible event going to happen if he isn’t found? Well, you better start looking over there. I am looking anywhere I can see from the comfort of my couch. Run bob run! We wouldn’t want the world to be destroyed because this Jesus person is lost! Oh, wait. I forgot. None of this religious dribble you are spouting makes a damn bit of difference to me. I know that having a relationship with Jesus makes you a bigoted-holier-than-thou-know-it-all who has to tell everyone that anyone who doesn’t share their belief’s is wrong because a book of contradictions, events that never happened, and fables said so. Sorry dear. Prayer is a waste of time, and if you really loved all of us, you would leave us alone.
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Bob: Do you really believe we haven’t heard of Jesus? For most of us, it took years to rid ourselves of years of that brainwashing. Sadly, it looks like you’ll never make it. But keep on memorizing drivel if it makes you feel better. “For God so Loved the World..” that he flooded it, killing almost everyone – had 2 bears maul 42 kids to death for joking about someone’s baldness – condemned generations to hell for their ancestor’s eating of an apple – made Lot’s life miserable and killed his family just to win a bet with the devil – shall I go on?
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@ 983 – bob -,
Perhaps if you were smart enough to read and follow the directions that were clearly given to you when you entered our site, you would have had your questions answered. After reading the Open Letter and the “About” tab material, you could have learned:
1) Our mission is the exclusion of religious mythology from the science curricula of public schools.
2) Our theology is a satire that neither depends on, nor is derivative of any other religion.
3) We insist that any school board that includes any religious mythology in their science curricula, must also include ours.
As believers feel free to make claims about the way the universe works, then they should be challenged on it. That’s what happens when you make truth claims. That your claims are hard to back up is unfortunate. You’re free to believe that the moon is made out of green cheese, but being free to believe that, doesn’t require that other people coddle that delusion.
“That’s something the apologists for faith need to learn, too: religion should be strong enough to stand against academic rudeness and mockery without this pathetic bleating for shelter from skepticism. It’s easy to be tolerant and civil when you’ve compelled everyone to be agreeable with you; the challenge is to do the same when you’re being denounced.”
P Z Myers
The attached talk by Dr Andy Thomson tells us how our needs as helpless infants uses the same parts of the brain as our thoughts about the mythology of religion:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1iMmvu9eMrg
The fears and terrors of the unknown are powerful drivers in our need for superstition.
CHRISTIANITY: the belief that a cosmic Jewish zombie will give you eternal life if you drink his blood and eat his flesh and telepathically tell him he’s your master, all because some rib women was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree.
MAKES PERFECT SENSE!
Goats on fire! Happy Monkey, 2010!
RAmen
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@ 983 – bob – ,
Let me clarify in the most direct way possible, some of your incorrect perceptions about many of us at this site. My assertions are about many, but not necessarily all of us, and I do wish to be dramatic.
We do not believe that any deity exists.
We have seen nothing that could prove or affirm the existence of any deity.
We live full lives with love of our friends and relatives.
We have faith in science, education, art, society, and the inherent goodness of people.
We have hope that the light of education will spread to the slaves of the clergy who fear reality.
If you have any proof of the existence of any of the deities that you have postulated, please make it known to us. You’ve come to our website, we’ve not gone to yours to spout our fears and terrors.
In the mean time, since you’ve proposed your own mythology, it is up to you to prove to us the existence of your deity. Mis-quoting from a Hebrew/ Koine book that you probably can’t read is not accepted as proof. You must know the language, who wrote it, when it was written, and the politics and economics of the authors and editors before we can have a clear rational discussion about it.
Goats on fire! Happy Monkey, 2010!
RAmen
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* 983: “beacuse no matter what you believe now, every knee will and every tounge will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord of all one.”
Every knee eh? Well, if my knee starts to talk I’ll assume I have a Jinmenso. I’ll either call in a famous surgeon like Black Jack or failing that a Japanese exorcist.
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My friend got the Gospel of the FSM for xmas and I read it. Changed my life. I’ve converted several former open minded Christians already!
RAmen.
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I bought the book and it is now making the rounds of friends of friends. One confirmed conversion already…and I can honestly say this was done without evangelism. He asked to borrow the book after hearing about it!
I did mention the 30 day offer, which does seem to have helped a lot. Combined with the simple words “free of dogma” it basically sells itself! Now if only I could get a nicer copy of the book.
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@Bob – 982 & 983
You are so intent on people “finding jesus”. How is it that he keeps getting lost? I recommend looking behind the sofa, that’s always a good starting place. Honestly, if you can’t keep track of your own messiah, why would you expect us to find him for you?
Have some pasta and get over yourself. RAmen.
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I have been touched. I thought it was his noodly apendage; the second time it was FSM! I am open to the truth. But I have one question for you. Is the chinese depiction of Him the Flying Lo-Mein Monster, the Flying Wanton Monster, or is it still Spaghetti? And can we eat spaghetti? Because anti smoking christians say “Eat Jesus” and “Inhale Jesus. get high on life” can we eat FSP?
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That’s something that almost escaped me. This silly phrase, “Finding the lord”. Since so many bible-thumpers are always using it, it makes you wonder if there actually is one. I doubt it since they keep asking if anyone has seen him.
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When I first bought the Gospel, I read it merely out of curiosity, but when I finished reading it, my life was changed forever. I now proudly state I’m a Pastafarian and have remained so for almost 3 years now. Now I lend my book to those who are curious like I was and as such has led to many converts to FSM. The Gospel is a great enlightening book that is worth a look and very hilarious, on a final note just want to say thanks Bobby Henderson for the Enlightenment and thank the FSM for the clarity and peace of mind I have gotten from Him
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I would just like to say that “Pastafarianism” is gaining incredible notoriety here in our country (Philippines). Ever since the Spaniards took over and trashed our old beliefs to teach their way of Religion, I knew for a fact that something was wrong.
I felt that something was missing in their deity because we can still feel poverty, sickeness, death & most of all HUNGER!!. But my beliefs were changed when I recognized the Flying spaghetti Monter’s awesome power! He’s the answer to our biggest problem. HUNGER!! He’s a spaghetti for crying out loud. I believe that the Italians were the first ones to discover the power of the Flying Spaghetti Monster and they’re using the sacred art of cooking to deliver his noodly message. That’s why Italians are so damn good in making pasta.
I will try to make a further research on this theory. Pls don’t hesitate in sharing your thoughts. Thanks! RAmen
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Flying Spaghetti Monster!
It actually makes sense now. I knew that there was something wrong with the deities that people believed in because no matter how many times they pray and beg, there will always be room for suffering, hatred, poverty, death and most important of all HUNGER! And then it hit me, FSM is pasta! He may not be able to solve all of our problems, but atleast he can eliminate one! HUNGER!
He’s the only deity who shows potential in eliminating hunger as long as we believe in him.
I was born an atheist but was baptized and raised as a catholic (which I never approved). Now I see the truth. Can I be baptized as a believer of the Church of the FSM? I would really like to join. I live in the Philippines and I would do my best to open the eyes of my fellow Filipinos. There are a lot of atheist here in our country, sadly they’re afraid comin of out. Afraid of being outcasted and ridiculed. Thanks for letting me share my thoughts. RAmen.
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Arrgh!
:)
I’ve read the FSM gospel with much interest, thank you, Bobby!
It is VERY convincing, but I think the “Pirates vs Temperature” chart is not quite there… However, the comparison of the “land discovered” is THE killer argument.
I can attest to it myself: recently I bought a GPS for my car, if I’d blindly believe what it suggests me – I’d most certainly got lost… That GPS box occurred to be the worst expenditure of my money recently!
(We have lots of Noodely-white snow this winter, our municipal services are not to His standards. When this silly GPS box sees a 30~40km/h average speed at a main street/avenue – it “scientifically thinks” it is a traffic jam there and suggests to use a by-street. It’s incapable to understand that those seemingly traffic-free by-roads are completely undrivable because of huge snow-piles, and that people on a main avenue crawling at those 30~40km/h all show finest examples of Ari Vatanen-like masterpiece of handling a car on an ice-under-snow SLIPPERY surface! I need all my might to hold on to His Noodely Appendage which helps me to keep control of my car.)
RAmen!
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