Where is the evidence?

Published April 7th, 2013 by Bobby Henderson

Here’s a video that has been making the rounds.   Richard Dawkins shows great patience in interviewing Creationist Wendy Wright.  I find it painful to watch but also fascinating.

638 Responses to “Where is the evidence?”

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  1. Getafiks says:

    Had she only been touched by His Noodly Appendage would have instead been wearing an Intelligently Designed eye patch and had a parrot on her shoulder!

    • Rasputin says:

      Dear Getafiks, I will have that image in my head all day.

  2. Henry Plante says:

    Wendy receives evidence, disregards it and asks for evidence.

  3. Saint Gnocchi says:

    Dear Henry Plante, Yes, hilarious, wasn’t it? That interview made me nauseous, sea-sick, and bald.
    I pulled all my hair out in sheer frustration.

    • The Sauceror says:

      Dear St. G., not to worry. Just remember the prayer, “Atheism is a religion as baldness is a hair color”. Now you can proudly proclaim to everyone that you have a shiny new color of hair.

      • Captain Birdseye says:

        TS, that’s cunning: it’s like my new hobby of not collecting stamps.

  4. St. Joe says:

    I thought she made some good points. That Dawkins chap seems to spend a lot of time talking in circles where her message hope really hit home with me.
    People do tend to spend an inordinate amount of time reading and being taught evolution, perhaps if the same amount of time and energy were spent on bible studies and intelligent design the scales may begin to tip!

    • Keith says:

      What exactly do you mean by “bible studies”? From my experience with people who have done “bible studies” it simply means sitting in a room soaking up someone’s reinforcement of a faith system.

      • SillyKiwiMan says:

        Methinks he doesn’t understand the difference between study and indoctrination.

        Remember folks, get ’em young (so that you have a CHANCE of having the intellectual upper hand) and bash that message in until the kids are good and brainwashed, but most importantly, too scared to ask the obvious questions you won’t be able to answer!

        • Alphy says:

          You are right on, SillyKiwiMan! What they call Buybull “study” is anything but scholarly. They of course want to avoid the ‘evils’ of innellekyouallishim.

        • The Sauceror says:

          Innellek-y’all-ism is dangerous because it makes people think. If Gawd had intended fundies to think, he would have given them a brain.

    • Captain Birdseye says:

      St. Joe, I think you must have watched the wrong video. Wendy kept interrupting and Dawkins could hardly get a word in edgeways.
      If Bible studies and Unintelligent design were taught in schools, almost every parent would remove their children and sue.
      Religion and Creationism are insults to intelligence. They should be available only by request, only to consenting adults, only for historical purposes and always come with a health warning.

      • Rasputin says:

        The buybull is full of bigotry, racial violence and incest. A bit like the southern US states during segregation.

        • SillyKiwiMan says:

          Like they’re not the same now?

    • Captain Birdseye says:

      St. Joe, I’m curious by your mention of hope that Wendy gave you. Hope for what?
      Keith has already asked what you mean by Bible study, but, if a child asked if God, Heaven and Hell were real or fanatasy, would any opinion be given? What about the Old Testament: might it be presented as accurate, and endorsing decent conduct?
      I’m also curious by your comment ‘the scales may begin to tip’. Tip towards what?
      You must be aware that if any religious studies, or Creationism, are to be taught in schools, such teaching must include the equal evidence for the existance of The Flying Spaghetti Monster, the equal evidence that He created the Universe, and the equal evidence that He provided all of the moral standards followed by decent people. It is heresy to suggest otherwise.

      • Rasputin says:

        Dear Silly Kiwi Man, we non-Americans need to be careful, lest we offend Americans who are rightly proud of their country. Adding “during segregation” distances present-day America from its past. I will leave it to Americans to make barbed comments about their own country.
        Regarding recent comments about British teeth: It’s such a regular occurrence in “Frasier”, “The Simpsons”, “Family Guy”, etc. that no offence is possible.

        • The Sauceror says:

          Dear Rasputin, you have no need to be careful to not offend me about my superior culture. While I can never actually be offended, I could always try to look offended. Pasta.

        • The Sauceror says:

          People make fun of British teeth? No way.

          Anyone who makes comments like that deserves to have their bare bum spanked.

          …….Real hard.

        • Captain Birdseye says:

          I have a superior culture in my shed: King Oyster mushroom. I keep it in the dark, feed it bullshit and it thrives.

        • The Sauceror says:

          I see that you have very religious shell fish. I’m more of a chanterelle guy myself. They can’t be cultured. They refuse to be kept in the dark. They don’t take no bullshit. And people will pay out their ass just to lick their buns. Chanterelles won’t be truffled with. My mushrooms are real fun guys.

          Superior culture—- my ass!

    • The Sauceror says:

      Dear ST. J., would you still stick to your canons if someone replaced the word “bible” with “Koran”?

      I’m pleased that your are standing up for Faith. Those evolutionists just don’t understand blind Faith and ignorance like we religious folks do.

      • St. Joe says:

        I’m pretty sure that if Mr fuddy duddy Dawkins engaged in a theological discussion with a Mohammedan it would be cut short by either a scimitar or a nail bomb if you catch my drift! Those Arabs tend to have a bit of a short fuse (pardon the pun!) when it comes to the Koran and it’s discrepancies. However, freedom of religion makes for a spicy social soup, so to each their own!!

        • SillyKiwiMan says:

          So you really are a dick. Thanks for clearing that up.

          The only difference between your bullshit faith and their bullshit faith is the timing of the violence. You have equal credibility: zero.

          What you (and others like you) always seem to fail to understand, is even if someone else is wrong, that doesn’t automatically make you right.

        • Captain Birdseye says:

          St. Joe, Dawkins is a highly respected professor of evolutionary biology; Wendy has no qualifications. It’s like a neurosurgeon trying to have a discussion about brain tumours with a Bronze Age exorcist: there is simply no point. Dawkins no longer debates evolution with Creationists because observers might assume that both parties have something of equal value to say.
          Regarding Muslim extremists, how do you know that Allah is not the only true god and their mission is not infallible?
          I am curious about your opinion on sources of information, such as Answers in Genesis or Conservapedia?

  5. Excelsior says:

    The Bible is so filled with gobble-de-gook and contradictions that anyone can use it to prove anything! For examle:
    1: Pope Francis says that The Big Bang was invented by a Jesuit priest and doesn’t contradict divine creation!
    2: The chief astronomer of the Vatican now admits that there of many exoplanets with intelligent life on them but God is only interested in our Earth which is the only planet that he sent a son to save! However, 5 centuries ago Geordano Bruno hypothesized the exoplanets and was burnt at the stake for it! Why doesn’t the Church make an apology? They should canonize him and erect a monument to him in St. Peter’s Square!

    • Captain Birdseye says:

      Excellsior, St. Bernard was grilled by some Pope for saying something similar and is Australia’s patron saint of BBQ’s. Apparantly, his famous last words were: “Turn me over, I’m done on that side!”

    • Rasputin says:

      Dear Captain Birdseye, regarding your comments of January 18: You parable about the neurosurgeon and a bronze age exorcist is wonderful. I must remember it.

      • Captain Birdseye says:

        Thanks, Rasputin, that is indeed an honour.

  6. Saint Gnocchi says:

    Dear St Joe, He did! (Dawkins – have such a discussion)

    I watched/listened to the interview on Al Jazeera last year. Unfortunately, for the life of me I cannot – just this very moment, remember the name of the interviewer, but he is one of AlJazeera’s “regular” reporting crew. (The interview took place in England, I think at some university venue.)

    The discussion was “going along amicably” – at least as far as the unflappable, implacable Dawkins was concerned, until they got to discussing the bit about the rising up to heaven on a white horse.

    Here it was where the INTERVIEWER was forced to concede to a Dawkins point. It is obvious to viewers, at this tense moment, that the interviewer was visibly and emotionally uncomfortable and, I daresay, embarrassed.

    It resulted in publicably stating a belief which he (the interviewer) MOST LIKELY, in all honesty, did really NOT believe – i.e, he gave to Dawkins his blatantly and intelletually dishonest opinion.

    To me, this was the most facinating part of the interview. I shall never, NEVER forget Dawkins’ face the moment he got a reply he never expected. It was classsic.

    He, (interviewer) uttered/stuttered his answer. (About the white horse.). A few silent moments reigned as there gelled a stunned, incredulous look on Dawkin’s face. (Think dumfounded/astounded/speechless/shocked – the gamut of Roget’s Thesaurus would hardly adequately describe it.).


    BTW: Did any of my Pasta bretheren see that interview? I really do recommend that you try to track it down. (Hey, I’m vaguely recalling now that oddly, the interviewer had the incongruous and unlikely surname of —— de Santa Maria.). ?

    • Rasputin says:

      Dear St G., I’m pretty certain I’ve seen it on You Tube. I’m too lazy to search for it and provide the link.

      • The Sauceror says:

        Yeah, I saw it too, but right now I’m too drunk to be lazy.

    • Captain Birdseye says:

      St. Gnocchi, on reading your tome, I was waiting for the nail bomb… but no! Perhaps that’s why it was held in England.
      The interview is available under Mohammed’s White Horse, on YouTube, plus, lots of ancient paintings of Him on said horse (though all paintings have Him wearing a white veil). I understand the correct translation should be that He was hit by a bolt of lightning (hence, the curled-up toes to His shoes?).
      I read that Prof. Dawkins refused to debate with any more Creationists. He certainly doesn’t want the same problem as Rushdie or Charlie Hebdo. Did you ever examine the cartoon that was cited for the Hebdo massacre? It’s a perfectly respectful cartoon of Mohammed (though it does show his face), there is a tear running down His cheek and speech-text saying: “It’s tough being loved by ISIS”. There was another, much earlier cartoon, depicting Him on his His knees, having been raped by a gang of ISIS fighters, so, perhaps it was that one that upset them. My favourite is a cartoon ISIS fighter hopping and screaming, “We will not be mocked”, while a giant pencil draws a little pig tail on him.

      • Captain Birdseye says:

        Where has our friend, St. Joe, gone to? I wanted answers to my questions and information about his miracles. I am frequently inspired to cannonise annoying preachers, with a full charge, and they simply turn into a pink mist. Am I doing it wrong, or, is that the miracle?

        • Keith says:

          I am still waiting for him to tell me what “bible studies” actually means. I daresay that if he keeps visiting this site it will end up just like all the others: playing tennis with a shotgun.

        • The Sauceror says:

          It is unlikely that St. Joe had a clue what “bible studies” are. He was probably just repeating what his mommy told him to say.

  7. Excelsior says:

    Bible/Koran studies are where the priest/imam tells you what to believe and what not to believe. In the Soviet Union it was called “brain-washing”!

    • The Sauceror says:

      ….although, I can respect the fact that “Vodka” is the Russian word for “water”. It’s a good idea to stay hydrated by drinking lots of water. Nyet?

  8. Saint Gnocchi says:

    Dear Pastas, Okay, you all presented to me the evidence that Mary had four legs. Okay, I accept that.
    But that T. Rex had English teeth? No ways. T-Rexes were African dinosaurs, were black, and had healthy strong white Zulu teeth.

    Besides, Noah would NEVER have chosen either American, English, Aussie or Kiwi T-Rexes since he was fussy about the company he kept.

    • The Sauceror says:

      Well, okay. If you can accept the fact that Mary was an English ding-bat bird with four legs, then I should be able to accept the fact that a North American dinosaur was really African—- and it lived on top of its coconut food without toppling over. We should never let evidence get in the way of the facts.

      And yes, Noah Zark already had enough dumb donkeys on board. He didn’t need any smart asses too.

    • Captain Birdseye says:

      St. Gnocchi, T-Rex was a Brother? Creation Scientists have already concluded that, apart from slaves, nothing good comes from the Dark Continent.
      I suspect you are correct about Noah being fussy, which can only mean that T-Rex was a Red Sea Pedestrian, Kosher.

      • The Sauceror says:

        In South Africa they call T-Rex a “Broo”. Nobody knows why. That’s just what they say.

        • Keith says:

          So if a Tyrannosaurus was to laugh, people would ask what all of the Broo ha ha was all about. (OK: shocking effort).

        • Saint Gnocchi says:

          Dear Keith, no! That was an EXCELLENT remark. These Broo ha ha African Laughing Rexes had a great sense of humour. Ah, Evolution is a wonderful thing! We black African Zulus evolved from the Rexes, and that’s why we are such ferocious savages.

        • Captain Birdseye says:

          St. Gnocchi, I have seen photos in Nature of the Z-Rex’s missing link: she was cracking coconuts with her thighs.

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