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This petroglyph is insurmountable proof of His existence

Published October 24th, 2011 by Bobby Henderson

Rock_Carvings

I found this petroglyph (rock carving) at Newspaper Rock in Utah. These carvings date back thousands of years, possibly even predating pirates.

-David

The evidence keeps mounting.  Nice work, David.



99 Responses to “This petroglyph is insurmountable proof of His existence”

  1. Justaperson says:

    Ok ummm… are these sightings supposed to be hard rock evidence? because the guy taking the photos could have easily made the sightings look like FSM. Not only that, but you say god is a myth? What about FSM? All the so called “evidence” comes from random Joes with cameras that could have faked the photos or are going off pure coincidence.

    • Justaperson says:

      So you tell me, what besides pictures actually classifies as “hard science?”

    • Justaperson says:

      It really sickens me that logical people at one point in their lives decided to mock christianity by showing a picture on a rock as “insurmountable proof” just because they ran out of arguments.

      • SillyKiwiMan says:

        I decided to mock christianity because of the obvious flaws, but mostly because of the hypocrisy. I hold a all religions in equal contempt, but some just ask to be mocked. Before you accuse me of singling out christianity, the only reason it gets the most attention is because it interferes with my life the most. When other faiths get up my nose, they get the same treatment.

        Christianity also begs to be mocked precisely BECAUSE not only does it have no basis in logic, it flies in its face.

        Yarrgh

    • Rasputin says:

      Dear Justaperson, I like the concept of Hard Rock evidence. I picture the FSM performing air guitar to the strains of Van Halen or The Who, whilst strippers perform on stage and pirates drink beer. That’s a concert I’d like to attend.

  2. Justaperson says:

    You talk about hypocrisy but atheits have abandoned their ideology to come and worship some idol they know doesn’t exist to mock a group of people’s way of life. In reality, you people are no better than racists and anti-semtics. You are accepting of every single thin from homosexuality to smoking pot but, oh no someone brings in morals and kindness it’s world war three. Let me ask you, what did christianity do to you? You don’t have to believe in it and if you don’t it’s none of your business.

    • SillyKiwiMan says:

      Point 1: work on your spelling. If you want to be taken seriously, then you need to present yourself better.
      Point 2: I am accepting of homosexuality, I’m not accepting of everything else. I’m not accepting of smoking pot. You are creating a strawman. Other Pastafarians may smoke if they like, but it is not a harmless drug, and where I live remains (rightly or wrongly) illegal.
      Point 3: Our Eight I’d Really Rather You Didn’ts are pretty clear on racism and bigotry.
      Point 4: Your religion didn’t invent kindness or morality, and in fact your churches and worshippers have a lot of blood on their hands.
      Point 5: We’re not trying to start a war, we’re a peaceful bunch. I personally just want religion to stay the fuck out of my personal life, science classes, political system and it’d be the moral thing to do to pay their fair share of tax.

      Yarrgh

    • Excelsior says:

      You don’t understand Atheists. Atheists say that all religions are phony and not only Christianity. Some religions like modern Christianity are quite harmless (although stupid), go ahead and believe if you like. But some like ISIS, Boko Haram, Alqaeda, Taliban, etc. are extremely evil! Freedom of religion should not include these evil cults!
      BTW my religion is Pastafarianism, the religion of the FREE and the BRAVE! (See my comment on the Free and the Brave!)

  3. Justaperson says:

    You hate large groups of people just because they believe in something you don’t, and what haven’t you answered my question to where is the hard science that backs FSM?

    • Excelsior says:

      Justaperson,
      What hard-science backs your religion? Tell me which of the 1000 Gods you find in the “godfinder” below do you declare are fake? You probably say only one of them is real, all the others are fake ie. 999 are fakes. An Atheist says that all 1000 are fakes. That means that you are 99.9% the same as an Atheist. Atheists don’t hate you, they feel sorry for you because you don’t have the courage to take that last step!

      http://www.godfinder.org/

      BTW, We Pastafarians don’t declare any of them are fake. All Gods were created equal!

      • Justaperson says:

        If all gods are real and equal then why is your spahgetti man above all the rest? This religion was created because atheists couldn’t back their claims and they were immature (some are actually grown up and act their age but I’m talking about people like you) enough to make a religion to make fun of all the rest.

        http://answersforhope.org/falsifying-flying-spaghetti-monster/ Many of the things discussed in this article clearly back what I’m saying about atheists not being able to back their claims and made this parody religion instead. You have all the right in the world to say the ridiculous things you are saying but I’ll believe in what I believe in, and you can believe in what you believe in.

        • Justaperson says:

          P.S. I’m defending all forms of religion here and you people have no right to mock them.

        • theFewtheProudtheMarinara says:

          “atheists couldn’t back their claims”. Seems to me the shoe is on the other foot. As the saying goes “Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof”. I have never seen a virgin give birth, the sea part to let anyone pass, the sun stop in the sky, nor talked with a burning bush. Has anyone? Anyone?

        • Justaperson says:

          And I have never see a non living cell magical grow arms and legs over the years and go sit in a corner and read a magazine

        • Apprentice Frederic says:

          Look closely, Justaperson – that’ s *your Christian* version of our origin, not evolutionists. Get out of your corner and stop reading magazines. Someone wise remarked that scientific literacy empowers you to know when someone is full of bullshit. Of course, it empowers you to know when *you* are full of bullshit, too, and perhaps to avoid embarrassment. Give it a shot, pal.

        • Justaperson says:

          Are you calling me scientific illiterate? Because your dirty mouth make you very convincing I found this article on ten reasons why evolutions logic Flys in the face of itself and it makes more sense than your profanity.

        • Justaperson says:

          Sorry there was supposed to be a doesn’t before make

        • Justaperson says:

          Whoops also forgot the article XD http://www.epm.org/resources/2010/Oct/3/ten-major-flaws-evolution-revised/

        • Apprentice Frederic says:

          @Justaperson: Thank you for your comments / corrections / inputs. I am sorry if my language offended you; diluting the discussion with side issues was not my intention, nor was it my intention to suggest that you are necessarily illiterate, either in the usual or the scientific sense. I did read the material in the link you provided and found it unconvincing. The “irreducible complexity” argument and its correlates has been around for a long time, and the scientific community in general regards that notion as wrong. One of the early proponents of “IC”, Dr. Behe, whom your link mentioned, was a participant in an interesting case that you probably know about: Kitzmiller vs. Dover School Board. It involved (my version) a school board trying to push creationism into the school’s curriculum. The judge, a Republican, a Christian, and a Bush appointee, ruled – a bit scathingly – against the school board, holding creationism as religion and not science and doubly bad from a constitutional and educational standpoint. I think that he upheld the idea that many ID proponents are sincere (although he noted that some board members were found to have lied during the trial) and that debate was worth continuing. I’m gonna leave it at that. To quote a certain Justaperson: “…I’ll believe in what I believe in, and you can believe in what you believe in…” R’amen. Arrrggghhhh.

        • SillyKiwiMan says:

          I’m not just calling you scientifically illiterate, I’m calling you illiterate in general. It’s called proof reading.

          Quoting literature from religious organisations isn’t fighting a very good corner. Try peer-reviewed journals if you want to be taken seriously.

          It has been pointed out to you that your particular faith is just happenstance due to where you were born. Every religion holds itself as the one truth. How will you react upon your death when you find yourself drinking stale beer and surrounded by beautiful but diseased strippers?

        • Justaperson says:

          Thank you Frederic, that’s the point I’ve been trying to make. I don’t care what people believe in just so long as they don’t make fun of other people because they don’t simply believe in their religion. And I apologize earlier for calling you immature. That was pretty courteous apologizing for using profanity and I am glad there are respectable people on this website no matter what they believe in.

        • Excelsior says:

          Who are you to criticize us for saying ridiculous things! When you speak of talking snakes, changing water to wine, feeding 5000 people on two fish and two loaves of bread, raising dead people to life, walking on water, etc. When you have faith then nothing is ridiculous!
          When you sneer at others for not being able to back their claims show us the proof that your God exists and all the other gods are fake!
          We do not say that all Gods are real, we also do not say that any God is fake, we say that all Gods were created equal and everyone should have freedom to worship any God he pleases! (including no God)

        • Excelsior says:

          We do not say all Gods are real. We also do not say any God is fake. We say that all Gods are created equal and you have the right to worship any religion you like except those evil clans I mentioned above!

      • Justaperson says:

        P.P.S you are right, I do think their gods are fake as they think mine is, but I don’t go around making fun of them with a giant ball of spahgetti.

        • Excelsior says:

          Just as I suspected, you think that 999 Gods in the list of 1000 gods is fake. That makes you different from an Atheist by only 0.1%!
          From your tenacious belief in this God, it’s safe to say that you were born into a religious family and you were brain-washed from birth. If you were born into a Muslim family you would be a devout Muslim.
          On the otherhand almost all Pastafarians were not born into it or brainwashed! We worship the FSM because we are brave and want to be free!
          FREE: 1- We can worship any way we like and don’t have to report all our naughty activities to a priest.
          2-We can eat and drink anything we like and don’t have a God sitting at our dinner-table to make sure
          we eat what’s Kosher or Islamic.
          3-We can sex as we like and don’t have God in the sex bed with us to be sure we don’t use condoms or
          practise LGBT.
          BRAVE: We aren’t afraid of going to the Christian hell, Muslim hell, or any other hell!

        • Justaperson says:

          You don’t know anything about christianity and I said earlier that I was defending all religion here, or can you not read? If someone was a Buddhist they would think my religion is fake so therefore that makes them an atheist but, at least like I said before I’m not making fun of them for having a fake religion with a flying spahgetti monster.

        • SillyKiwiMan says:

          Actually, I think you’ll find most of us here know quite a lot about christianity. In order to argue against your position, we must first understand it. You are failing in your arguments against our position, because you don’t understand them, either because you are unable to read the “about” tab, or are simply a bit thick.

          You also asked what gives us the right to mock your religion. Pastafarianism isn’t about mocking religion, it’s about holding up a mirror. I personally will continue to mock religion, and it is my right to do so. You can get upset all you like. I get annoyed when people use the word “logic” incorrectly, but if someone wants to say something dumb, then that is their right too.

        • Justaperson says:

          You are still avoiding my question, maybe you should hold that mirror up to yourself.

        • SillyKiwiMan says:

          There is as much evidence for Pastafarianism as any other religion: none. That answers your question?

      • Rasputin says:

        Excellent, Excelsior! Great response. Yaaarrr.

      • Rasputin says:

        Dear Excelsior, Thanks for telling us about the brilliant Godfinder website. The FSM isn’t listed. Can this be corrected? Neither is Jimi Hendrix listed even though he was a Rock God.

  4. Justaperson says:

    Other religions aren’t the only ones that have flaws, where is your “hard scienec” to evolution or the big bang theory? Where is it? Oh wait it doesn’t exist .

  5. Justaperson says:

    Well if there is evidence to evolution and the big bang theory, please enlighten me -_-

    • Apprentice Frederic says:

      Hey, Justaperson, lighten up! Your posts suggest that you are arguing with little voices in your head – careful, it could be the Devil!

      • Justaperson says:

        Or maybe it could be common sense.

  6. Justaperson says:

    First off my spelling is pretty good, my phone has some sucky autocorrect and second off, both of you are avoiding my questions, what proof is there to evolution or what evidence backs up FSM? Your saying christianity has no basis of logic when you can’t even properly defend these beliefs.

    • SillyKiwiMan says:

      The burden of proof is indeed on the accuser. Where is the evidence for your god? Your bible isn’t evidence any more than our gospel is.

      To defend my belief that religion has no basis in logic is simple. Can a god create a rock it cannot lift? Can a god stop being a god?

      It’s not only your spelling that is bad, your grammar is lacking too. (which I know doesn’t constitute a rebuttal, but it seems to be a theme here)

      • Justaperson says:

        Why do does something need to be logical for it to exist? Maybe it’s logic you don’t yet understand. A long time ago people thought it illogical that the earth wasn’t the center of the universe or it was illogical that man could ever fly, how many times has human “logic” been wrong? And you are still avoiding my question, and I have proof of my gospel many events that recorded in the bible actually happened, such as remnants of Noah’s ark have been found, egyptian armor has been found at the bottom of the red sea, and Jesus really did walk the earth. Your “gospel” has no right to mock christianity or any other religion simply because it is illogical, ever hear the term, “live and let live?” If your are unhappy about religion then this is not the way to go, your gospel is offending and discriminating against people’s very ways of life. I mean would you make fun of someone because of their color or gender? The same concepts apply to religion. If you don’t want to follow a religion that’s fine don’t like it.

        • SillyKiwiMan says:

          Your religion is a choice. Race and gender are not.

          You’ve got to do better than that. You also have no idea of what logic is. Try sitting in on a lecture at your local university. A real one.

          Not that you had any credibility before, but trying to use Noah’s ark as an argument really just goes to show your colours. I know that red is traditionallyanger or passion, and yellow is cowardice, but what serves for idiocy?

          (my fellow Pastafarians, I don’t claim to speak for our holy church, and I know I’ve been less than patient, but I can see how this will end, and evidently we’re all terrible blasphemers and sinners, and I assume I’d be raping and murdering if not for the bible)

          Yarrgh

        • Justaperson says:

          Right, so what logic does your university teach about evolution? You are still ignoring my question, don’t call me stupid if you can’t even answer my question.

        • Rasputin says:

          Dear Justaperson, a few hundred years ago Pastafarians would have been burned alive by the Vatican in the name of their loving and merciful god. Thank heaven for secular liberty. Mocking and deriding the non-Pastafarian churches is gentle compared with what would be done to us by the Spanish Inquisition.

      • Rasputin says:

        Dear SillyKiwiMan, You’re right about the burden of proof. If somebody produces definite proof that Jebus was the son of God, I’d become a Christian immediately. As for ancient cave paintings that appear to show an image of the FSM, this is plausible evidence (but not definite proof) of the FSM’s existence. The image has just as much credibility as the Turin Shroud.

    • theFewtheProudtheMarinara says:

      What evidence is there to evolution? Really? There are so many fossils and genetic markers found that this is almost as thick-headed as asking what evidence is there of tides, or sunshine. Get your head out of the sand/the BuyBull and ask; you’ll find plenty of evidence. Here’s one article that has about a billion times more proof than creationists have ever come up with: http://www.palaeontologyonline.com/articles/2013/the-evolution-of-tree-kangaroos/

      • Keith says:

        Remember: Don’t play chess with a pigeon.

        • SillyKiwiMan says:

          Agreed. This one has even less to offer than most, and isn’t even particularly good sport.

      • Apprentice Frederic says:

        @tFtPtM, thanks for the link! Speaking merely for myself, it certainly is helpful when more deeply acquainted folks share sources of detailed information, and it would be great to get further hints from you or others above (I think SKM is a biologist) for useful sources. It’s a little depressing to go at this in a thread launched by a photo of petroglyphs, but – oh, well…. Speaking of tides, your allusion reminded me of Bill O’Relly and *his* “tides” comment of a few years ago.

        • Keith says:

          I am still waiting for Justaperson to back up his claims (refer to his posting March 3, 2015 at 10:14 PM) about proof of Jesus, Noah’s Ark and the Egyptian armour. Accusing someone of not addressing claims and not addressing one’s own claims strikes me as being somewhat dishonest.

        • Apprentice Frederic says:

          Keith, you may wait for a long time. As a second-order issue, I found the Wikipedia article on Noah’s ark searches quite fascinating just because of the length of time that the Search has gone on (1700 years?) and the generalized nuttiness associated. If you haven’t already seen it, you might enjoy it. One anecdote involved a 1933 April Fool’s joke article about “… an expedition sponsored by a Mrs. Putrid Lousey…” that percolated into the “arkeology” mainstream until its origins were finally made clear.

        • Keith says:

          Yes, I’ve seen the articles about the piece of wood soaked in soy sauce, the articles about the selective photos of a rock formation surrounded by other “Noah’s Arks”, the unsupported anecdotes by travellers keen to support their own faith and various other articles. Noah’s Ark has been “found” multiple times and not one claim has convinced the serious archaeological community.
          Regarding the other claims, to try to convince more rationally minded people the Red Sea has occasionally turned into the “Reed Sea” so that instead of parting great waves, god farted and the reeds parted.
          The claims of Jeebus and the “many events in the bible that have happened” are just too much to address in one response.

        • SillyKiwiMan says:

          There are a few things that immediately alert me to the futility of arguing.

          1. The old “Noah’s ark has been found”.
          2. Saying that it is logical to believe in a god.
          3. An immediate assumption that all members of this church are American.
          4. Saying that we should try to see things from another perspective (but only theirs).
          5. Trying to use big words or be overly veracious (Whizzard) to hide a lack of argument.
          6. A belief in irreducible complexity.
          7. Poor spelling. (I know we all have off moments, but ones spelling does serve as an indicator for intellect)

          There are many more, please throw your own into the mix. I know you’ll have a load of gems that will leave me laughing.

        • SillyKiwiMan says:

          And there I go with Muphry’s law. That’s verbacious, not veracious.

        • Apprentice Frederic says:

          Keith, SKM, sorry! The reason I’m still an apprentice is that it wouldn’t occur to me that you’re so far ahead, LOFLMAO.

        • Keith says:

          The first time I came across the Noah’s Ark claims was in a book called “Phenomena: a Book of Wonders” by John Michell & Robert J. M. Rickard. This book was published in the late 1970′s when I could afford to buy such books. I’ve had an interest in mythology and the paranormal for over 40 years and although my collection is very far from being as large as Harry Price’s it is still a reasonable size. One should not mistake “interest” for “unquestioning belief”.

        • Apprentice Frederic says:

          @SKM, relative to the grammar issue, I thought you might be amused by this, extracted from a local bulletin board: “Vigilante grammarians correct Quito graffiti at night; they call themselves Acción Ortográfica Quito and they can’t stand bad spelling and grammar in Quito’s ubiquitous graffiti. They work under cover of darkness, leaving their tag behind…”

        • Keith says:

          I would like to do the same around where I live but it is impossible to correct something that is unrecognisable.

  7. Excelsior says:

    SillyKiwiMan,
    Your statement that “religion is your choice” is only about 1% correct! Statistics show that 99% of Christians come from a Christian family, and 99% of Islamists come from a Muslim family (the other 1% are ISIS recruited home-breds!). That, of course, is due to brain-washing from family, church (mosque), and close friends. Brain-washing is like hard-wired programming, it is almost impossible to change! What you should say is: “your religion is what you have been programmed for!”
    BTW that is the true reason why religions like Catholicism and Islamism don’t let you use contraceptives, it slows down their growth!

    • Keith says:

      There are some cranks called the Dominionists who seem to believe that it is their duty to outbreed everyone else. In an overpopulated world that is just obscene.

  8. theFewtheProudtheMarinara says:

    The quote “I have never see a non living cell magical grow arms and legs over the years” assumes evolution happens instantly to an individual. How wrong! Richard Dawkins mentioned how the creationists, at the base of a towering cliff, say “Nothing can make that leap!” while ignoring the long, gradual slope on the other side.

  9. Keith says:

    You can’t have “very flat”. Flat is an absolute quality. Either the trajectory is flat (in which case it is ignoring the laws of gravity or has some mysterious aerodynamic advantage) or it has a trajectory that is close to (but not equal to) flat.

  10. Captain Birdseye says:

    I nearly sailed off the edge of the Earth once. My ship’s manual mentions no Laws of Gravity.
    Apart from the Earth, the only flat ‘things’ are imaginary geometric planes. Aaaaaarghhhh….

  11. Keith says:

    If you are referring to my posting of February 2012, I have no idea what that was in response to. Perhaps someone was flinging spaghetti against a wall to see if it stuck. I understand it to be a good method of finding out if it is properly cooked. You can then save on plates by eating it off the floor. When you nearly sailed off the edge of the world did you see a wall of ice or a wall of flames? A wall of ice would suggest you had accidentally locked yourself in the fridge. A wall of flames would suggest that your pasta was being cooked.

  12. Captain Birdseye says:

    I suspect that many galley ceilings have been completely constructed from testing pasta.
    I have old charts and there be monsters at the edge of the World, where the sea pours over the edge. But then, after a few barrels of beer, there also be naked wenches swinging in the rigging. Aaaarghhhhh…

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