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What exactly do you think you are going to prove?

Published July 22nd, 2011 by Bobby Henderson

What exactly do you think you are going to prove? it’s just disrespectful to other human beings faiths and beliefs, and im sure u of all people should know u can’t put any sense into say a devout christian. Honestly, what your doing is the equivalant of making a rude, sarcastic joke to a child that doesn’t understand humor. u cant tell a christian thats been raised from birth to believe that there’s a magic man in the clouds that he’s wrong. you’ll just get what uve been getting, hate mail, and death threats. God is the equivalant of santa exept the child is never told he isn’t real until it’s to late. and u think your doing a good thing by making up this pastafarian crap to prove how absurd the idea of god is. what i don’t think u understand is that u cant argue with idiots about this stuff as most christians are dont know a thing about science.(I apoligize to all respectable christian scientists). as an athiest, im disgusted what youre doing. like making fun of christians being killed by somali’s, and u quoting, "apparently they thought there god could give them safe passage"(yes ive read ur website). really, did it ever, or does it ever occur to you that these people are actually human being’s with family’s and feeling’s, and just because they think the world was created  differantly than u, u have to mock them… that’s kind of a dick move. your being no better than they are(religious people) by making fun of and disrespecting other people just ’cause they think differantly than u. oh wait u are religous, u worship a flying spaggetti monster. which means i have the right to ridicule u on how stupid your dumbfuck religion is(oh may the great pasta diety forgive me for my sin) and dont deny that u worship the all mighty pasta king, because your the leader of the church. with the true words of your religion written on a piece of paper. it’s ironic that u, by trying to prove how bad religion is. go about it by u yourself inbodying everything that is wrong with human beliefs. u are everything that is wrong with athiesm. u go around acting all superior and pompus, like u know better than everyone else and tell them why there wrong mockingly. the world would be a better place if u took all your "followers" (butt pirates) got on a pirate ship and ate spaggetti until you all died of overeating.have u ever heard the term live and let live? and i love it how  u post all the hate mail u get on a your page to be ridiculed by your cronies( who by the way need to get of the internet and do something productive)yes we all the the bible huggars are gonna say dumb stuff because they’re uneducated. but that doesn’t mean u have to be immature and make fun of there faults so just lay off. even though this message sounds hostile just know i agree with what your’e trying to do (i think) educating people, i just wholly disagree with how u are going about it.

-David

A short response from Bobby:

It’s not our intention to mock or offend anyone. But I realize people sometimes feel mocked  or offended.

It might be fair to say that we’re disrespectful.  I would agree that most Pastafarians don’t respect the notion that religion should sit on a pedestal.  We don’t think that because an action is explained in the context of religion it is exempt from the scrutiny it otherwise would have been subjected to.  Religion is not a free pass for crazy ideas and crazy actions. 

I would agree that it’s not our place to pass judgment on those who see the world through a lens of religion.  But neither is it our place to ignore when personal belief becomes public action.  We can accept that some choose to teach their kids the earth is 6000 years old and that dinosaurs are a myth.  But if they push for those ideas to be taught in our schools, it’s no longer a question of respecting personal belief.

The idea that rational minded people must be anti-religion is a wrong one, I think.   If we must draw a line to divide ourselves, I’d prefer the line be positioned between reasonable and unreasonable people, rather than religious and non-religious people.  

It’s one thing to see the world through a lens, and another thing to act as if it’s the only lens that can exist.

I believe there is no group more tolerant of other religious and nonreligious groups than Pastafarians, without question.  The death of the Christian sailors by pirates was a sad thing for everyone who heard of it, I’m sure.  My hope is that it doesn’t happen again.  The hard question is:  will criticizing the decision to venture into dangerous areas on the basis of faith help avoid a similar situation in the future?  I don’t know the answer.  But I wonder how many of their friends and family wish they had shaken them and said this is a bad idea, don’t do this.  This is one of the hard questions – this line between respect and concern. 



683 Responses to “What exactly do you think you are going to prove?”

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  1. Custard says:

    I thought bronies were the most peaceful non-religious group though ;_;

  2. Inge says:

    A guy named “Zach” in this discussion seems to have access to the birth certificate of Jesus (proof!)
    This item would certainly shed light on several points of confusion, as of yet we are told that said supposed son of the formerly avenging, suddenly very lenient god was born in Nazareth, where an order of Herodes (who’s death IS certified for the year 4 bC!!) summoned his parents in order to register for a tax count which did NOT apply to them (only to inhabitants of the roman-ruled Judea) and in any case didn’t occur until the year 7 dC (yes, the roman buerocracy kept documents!)
    So: Zach, pal – you are the only person on earth to clear this mess up!
    Inge from Munich

    • Karen says:

      Damn Birther! Jesus is out of office now, in fact, I might have heard he died, so stop trying to discredit his actions by asking for birth documents! So what if he was born off the planet, he still did a good job while he was here, so lay off!

      • TheFewTheProudTheMarinara says:

        Until 1978, the Mormon church claimed god lived on the planet Kolab, so maybe Jesus was born there?

  3. Inge says:

    The romans in fact DID have a functioning bureaucracy, registering the governors of Judaea (Herodes, who supposedly was the reason for the hasty flight after the Betlehem Birth, had already and definitely died 6 bC) and – of course – tax management (the tax census, supposed reason for the travel – which had to be inserted in order to conform with a so-called prophecy – didn’t take place until the year 6 respectively 7 aC and didn’t concern residents of Galilee in the first place.
    You see the predicament.
    By the way: The large brood of hovels in Galilee did NOT interest the Romans. There is no written evidence, there exist no birth certificates of that time and place. If Nazareth existed at that time, it consisted of no more than upto 15 huts according to newer digging.
    As Celsius said in a letter (discurso veridico, part of a discussion about Christianism around 180 dC:)
    “Not even lying are you [Christians] able to cover believable your inventions”
    I hereby rest my case.
    Grinnings from Munich

  4. jeeves says:

    David, give us a break have u ever heard the term live and let live? :)

  5. Billy Bob says:

    That all gods are inferior to our noodly master.

  6. Bianca Lawrence says:

    Isn’t it respectful to utilise proper English, or at least some punctuation?

  7. John says:

    Look, David, you are overreacting. I would say the majority of Pastafarians are simply atheists. We live in a world of hate, war and discrimination, so is it not nice to have the occasional laugh? And you mention indoctrination of children, but it sounds like you are an atheist out of rebellion. Lastly, if you are going to send hate mail, at least write properly.

    • Barkingspyder says:

      John says: “I would say the majority of Pastafarians are simply atheists. ” This may well be true or they may just be people who still have some faith but also possess the wherewithal to recognize that Evolution is in fact real and the evidence supporting it is overwhelming. As to Atheists my problem with them is that they seem to be mostly comprised of people who are athiests on faith rather than approaching it from the discipline of rational thought. IOW since there is no rational explanation of any religious deity or its nature, or any of the things it is supposed to have done, then any rational person must therefore reject it. As always the burden of proof rests on he who asserts the positive. I’ve seen video footage of the FSM so I have empirical evidence that he exists. None of the paintings of Jesus look anything like a person from the middle east would look, so I know they have to be fake.

  8. test says:

    Let’s pretend Pastafarism is meant to be a serious example of how religions aren’t necessarily right.
    Let’s pretend Pastafarism meant to show that defenses for religions and the blind support for religious moral theories can end up setting arbitrary moral theories into stone.
    Let’s pretend it’s meant to sincerely show, instead of tell, religious supporters that even whats set into stone should be questioned because it could be so wrong like Pastafarian example ideas.

    Being a sincere proof that those religious arguments aren’t exactly valid is alright, but I think it all went wrong after something happened. People do not see Pastafarism as a sincere example, but instead as a joke, and eventually even its own members believed it’s a joke. Every Pastafarian saw everyone else as mocking religions, so they think that’s the norm for Pastafarism and that they should join in just for fun, and for getting back at the religious. Once that happens, Pastafarians appear to be no longer making religions look dangerous, but instead stupid, and that the crimes by religions are caused not by normal people controlled by religions, but by stupid people who are so dumb to do it for religion. You seem to be sending the message that religions only brainwash the very dumb and that a religious person admitting you’re right would have to admit to being extremely retarded. Thus you inadvertently supplement the very religious irrationality you hope to defeat, and you’re just as misled against your purpose as other religious are mislead against their purpose.

    • TheFewTheProudTheMarinara says:

      You went off the tracks there when you jumped from “crimes by religions are caused not by normal people” to “religions only brainwash the very dumb”.

      We are not saying all religious people are criminals, nor are we saying that they are all dumb. Brainwashed, absolutely. And most people, no matter how intelligent, are incapable of throwing off that yoke. Mark Twain for one wrote on that subject, saying he could not completely abandon his religious training, and he was neither mentally deficient nor a criminal.

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