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What exactly do you think you are going to prove?

Published July 22nd, 2011 by Bobby Henderson

What exactly do you think you are going to prove? it’s just disrespectful to other human beings faiths and beliefs, and im sure u of all people should know u can’t put any sense into say a devout christian. Honestly, what your doing is the equivalant of making a rude, sarcastic joke to a child that doesn’t understand humor. u cant tell a christian thats been raised from birth to believe that there’s a magic man in the clouds that he’s wrong. you’ll just get what uve been getting, hate mail, and death threats. God is the equivalant of santa exept the child is never told he isn’t real until it’s to late. and u think your doing a good thing by making up this pastafarian crap to prove how absurd the idea of god is. what i don’t think u understand is that u cant argue with idiots about this stuff as most christians are dont know a thing about science.(I apoligize to all respectable christian scientists). as an athiest, im disgusted what youre doing. like making fun of christians being killed by somali’s, and u quoting, "apparently they thought there god could give them safe passage"(yes ive read ur website). really, did it ever, or does it ever occur to you that these people are actually human being’s with family’s and feeling’s, and just because they think the world was created  differantly than u, u have to mock them… that’s kind of a dick move. your being no better than they are(religious people) by making fun of and disrespecting other people just ’cause they think differantly than u. oh wait u are religous, u worship a flying spaggetti monster. which means i have the right to ridicule u on how stupid your dumbfuck religion is(oh may the great pasta diety forgive me for my sin) and dont deny that u worship the all mighty pasta king, because your the leader of the church. with the true words of your religion written on a piece of paper. it’s ironic that u, by trying to prove how bad religion is. go about it by u yourself inbodying everything that is wrong with human beliefs. u are everything that is wrong with athiesm. u go around acting all superior and pompus, like u know better than everyone else and tell them why there wrong mockingly. the world would be a better place if u took all your "followers" (butt pirates) got on a pirate ship and ate spaggetti until you all died of overeating.have u ever heard the term live and let live? and i love it how  u post all the hate mail u get on a your page to be ridiculed by your cronies( who by the way need to get of the internet and do something productive)yes we all the the bible huggars are gonna say dumb stuff because they’re uneducated. but that doesn’t mean u have to be immature and make fun of there faults so just lay off. even though this message sounds hostile just know i agree with what your’e trying to do (i think) educating people, i just wholly disagree with how u are going about it.

-David

A short response from Bobby:

It’s not our intention to mock or offend anyone. But I realize people sometimes feel mocked  or offended.

It might be fair to say that we’re disrespectful.  I would agree that most Pastafarians don’t respect the notion that religion should sit on a pedestal.  We don’t think that because an action is explained in the context of religion it is exempt from the scrutiny it otherwise would have been subjected to.  Religion is not a free pass for crazy ideas and crazy actions. 

I would agree that it’s not our place to pass judgment on those who see the world through a lens of religion.  But neither is it our place to ignore when personal belief becomes public action.  We can accept that some choose to teach their kids the earth is 6000 years old and that dinosaurs are a myth.  But if they push for those ideas to be taught in our schools, it’s no longer a question of respecting personal belief.

The idea that rational minded people must be anti-religion is a wrong one, I think.   If we must draw a line to divide ourselves, I’d prefer the line be positioned between reasonable and unreasonable people, rather than religious and non-religious people.  

It’s one thing to see the world through a lens, and another thing to act as if it’s the only lens that can exist.

I believe there is no group more tolerant of other religious and nonreligious groups than Pastafarians, without question.  The death of the Christian sailors by pirates was a sad thing for everyone who heard of it, I’m sure.  My hope is that it doesn’t happen again.  The hard question is:  will criticizing the decision to venture into dangerous areas on the basis of faith help avoid a similar situation in the future?  I don’t know the answer.  But I wonder how many of their friends and family wish they had shaken them and said this is a bad idea, don’t do this.  This is one of the hard questions – this line between respect and concern. 



798 Responses to “What exactly do you think you are going to prove?”

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  1. Olio says:

    Wulff, there was a shooting at an area University where we lived, a young lady was sniper shooting victims from the bushes evidently. A heroic individual physically tackled and subdued the person, nobody else was shot and that tackler was unarmed I might add. True it could have gone another way but gratefully, it did not. I cannot say how many examples there are of this nature.

    • Olio says:

      Interesting. This above, was posted in response to a post on page 2 about an news item in Norway. Not clear how it got here all the way on page 19?

  2. hotclaws says:

    Holy wall of text Batman.

  3. hotclaws says:

    Must add,using “U” instead of “YOU” makes me utterly disregard any mention of maturity.

  4. lilo says:

    David’s grammar concerns me.

  5. Casey says:

    “and im sure u of all people should know u can’t put any sense into say a devout christian.” and “u cant tell a christian thats been raised from birth to believe that there’s a magic man in the clouds that he’s wrong. you’ll just get what uve been getting, hate mail, and death threats.”
    Both false, I used to be a devout Christian…a Southern Baptist youth leader actually, but I met some very intelligent and philosophical atheists (who at no point in time tried to get me to stop believing but rather just explained to me why they didn’t believe when I asked them) and it got me thinking and reading, and despite my, at the time, passion to go to seminary I am now an atheist. I feel this change and the looking into other beliefs, and into what science teaches has made me a relativistic thinking and allowed me to shed my dualistic ways. There is hope for all who believe (to stop one day).
    “God is the equivalant of santa exept the child is never told he isn’t real until it’s to late.” Also, false…I am raising my niece and since her parents (and grandmother) told her Santa is real I told her before our first Christmas with her (age 5) that he is not…that’s not too late I suppose…honestly if I had raised her since birth she would have never been told he is real, but still not too late to tell her he is not!

    That’s all I can respond to because I couldn’t finish reading it the translating whatever the hell you were trying to write was making my head hurt!

    • The Voice of Reason says:

      Indeed, there are those who believed in Religion who are now Atheists. For example, Michael “Burnie” Burns’s, an internet celeberity, father was a preist, but then he rejected relgion and became a physicist. This was also quite along time ago when Religion was more common and dogmatic.

  6. Lauren says:

    That man is so stupid that it’s amazing he survived long enough to write that letter. Maybe it was just the disgusting air of ignorance, or the lack of grammar and spell check. Maybe it was just that he didn’t use any fact or capitalization what so ever that bothered me, but if you don’t have anything nice to say, it pretty damn well make some sense when you say it!

  7. TheFewTheProudTheMarinara says:

    “The death of the Christian sailors by pirates was a sad thing for everyone”. Oh, it was OK for the pirates (many of them Christians) to have killed non-Christians?

  8. Joey says:

    This guys kinda a dick. And his use of “u”and not “you” is not helping his case.

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