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What exactly do you think you are going to prove?

Published July 22nd, 2011 by Bobby Henderson

What exactly do you think you are going to prove? it’s just disrespectful to other human beings faiths and beliefs, and im sure u of all people should know u can’t put any sense into say a devout christian. Honestly, what your doing is the equivalant of making a rude, sarcastic joke to a child that doesn’t understand humor. u cant tell a christian thats been raised from birth to believe that there’s a magic man in the clouds that he’s wrong. you’ll just get what uve been getting, hate mail, and death threats. God is the equivalant of santa exept the child is never told he isn’t real until it’s to late. and u think your doing a good thing by making up this pastafarian crap to prove how absurd the idea of god is. what i don’t think u understand is that u cant argue with idiots about this stuff as most christians are dont know a thing about science.(I apoligize to all respectable christian scientists). as an athiest, im disgusted what youre doing. like making fun of christians being killed by somali’s, and u quoting, "apparently they thought there god could give them safe passage"(yes ive read ur website). really, did it ever, or does it ever occur to you that these people are actually human being’s with family’s and feeling’s, and just because they think the world was created  differantly than u, u have to mock them… that’s kind of a dick move. your being no better than they are(religious people) by making fun of and disrespecting other people just ’cause they think differantly than u. oh wait u are religous, u worship a flying spaggetti monster. which means i have the right to ridicule u on how stupid your dumbfuck religion is(oh may the great pasta diety forgive me for my sin) and dont deny that u worship the all mighty pasta king, because your the leader of the church. with the true words of your religion written on a piece of paper. it’s ironic that u, by trying to prove how bad religion is. go about it by u yourself inbodying everything that is wrong with human beliefs. u are everything that is wrong with athiesm. u go around acting all superior and pompus, like u know better than everyone else and tell them why there wrong mockingly. the world would be a better place if u took all your "followers" (butt pirates) got on a pirate ship and ate spaggetti until you all died of overeating.have u ever heard the term live and let live? and i love it how  u post all the hate mail u get on a your page to be ridiculed by your cronies( who by the way need to get of the internet and do something productive)yes we all the the bible huggars are gonna say dumb stuff because they’re uneducated. but that doesn’t mean u have to be immature and make fun of there faults so just lay off. even though this message sounds hostile just know i agree with what your’e trying to do (i think) educating people, i just wholly disagree with how u are going about it.

-David

A short response from Bobby:

It’s not our intention to mock or offend anyone. But I realize people sometimes feel mocked  or offended.

It might be fair to say that we’re disrespectful.  I would agree that most Pastafarians don’t respect the notion that religion should sit on a pedestal.  We don’t think that because an action is explained in the context of religion it is exempt from the scrutiny it otherwise would have been subjected to.  Religion is not a free pass for crazy ideas and crazy actions. 

I would agree that it’s not our place to pass judgment on those who see the world through a lens of religion.  But neither is it our place to ignore when personal belief becomes public action.  We can accept that some choose to teach their kids the earth is 6000 years old and that dinosaurs are a myth.  But if they push for those ideas to be taught in our schools, it’s no longer a question of respecting personal belief.

The idea that rational minded people must be anti-religion is a wrong one, I think.   If we must draw a line to divide ourselves, I’d prefer the line be positioned between reasonable and unreasonable people, rather than religious and non-religious people.  

It’s one thing to see the world through a lens, and another thing to act as if it’s the only lens that can exist.

I believe there is no group more tolerant of other religious and nonreligious groups than Pastafarians, without question.  The death of the Christian sailors by pirates was a sad thing for everyone who heard of it, I’m sure.  My hope is that it doesn’t happen again.  The hard question is:  will criticizing the decision to venture into dangerous areas on the basis of faith help avoid a similar situation in the future?  I don’t know the answer.  But I wonder how many of their friends and family wish they had shaken them and said this is a bad idea, don’t do this.  This is one of the hard questions – this line between respect and concern. 



793 Responses to “What exactly do you think you are going to prove?”

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  1. SouleSlayere says:

    Sometimes I wonder if the entire thing is all just one person. Like they make the hate mail, then comment on it pretending to be a different person.

    • Keith says:

      It’s possible but I really don’t see the point of such an exercise.

      • Drained and Washed Clean says:

        Do we see the point in many of the things they do?

        • Keith says:

          Not really. Perhaps it’s a desire for attention combined with anonimity.

  2. theFewtheProudtheMarinara says:

    “…until you all died of overeating.have u ever heard the term live and let live?”
    I guess you have – and are against it, David. Get a friggin’ clue – and an education.

  3. Mountain Darwin says:

    You people are blind! Why do you mock? This guy is on you’re fucking side! He’s an atheist just like you! And you still hate him. Seems to me that you’ll hate anything. Even god. But remember: God hates you too bitches!!!

    • TiltedHorizon says:

      So when people disagree they “hate” each other? I see. Please sit on this couch, get comfortable.

      (takes out a pen and a notepad)

      So….. how would you describe your relationship with your Mother?

      • theFewtheProudtheMarinara says:

        I was told by a former friend – when she discovered I was an atheist – that I “hated” her and her husband because they were born-again Christians. Our religious affiliations had not come up for the 30 years we’d known each other, nor had I said anything derogatory about Christianity to her. Just disagreeing was enough, I guess.

        • Drained and Washed Clean says:

          Did you forget that atheists eat babies and such? We are full of hate. All day everyday. So, by being an atheist you of course hate all of them… Logical progression, as always.

        • TiltedHorizon says:

          Amazing, a thirty year friendship rewritten rewritten by blind trust in an unseen entity. She likely needed you to be ‘evil’ to justify her continued belief in god, if she accepted what she could see with her own eyes, that is, you are not evil, she would have to ponder what else her faith is wrong about.

          Oh well. Anyway, it’s currently 34 degrees here in PA, I have to throw another newborn on the fire (third one today, they don’t burn long), hang all the upside-down crosses, pentagrams, and prep the blood hot-tub for a good soaking later. I’ll never understand why they think we are evil.

          (For any fundies who may read this last paragraph, IT IS SATIRE, GET A CLUE)

        • nun sequitur says:

          The fewproudmarinara: ”that i hated her…” i have had situations turned around on me for years…in similar fashion. ..then if i point it out, attempts r further made 2 flip that around too…it would not just b her & husband u r presumed 2 hate, but by extension any children they have, the grandparents, their affiliated church…until, in the end u r just about an enemy of the state, by extension further, the country, the planet & of course i forget, the religion, am i correct?

        • theFewtheProudtheMarinara says:

          There’s no explaining -especially to them – what fundamentalists believe in. Like the Christian who assumed you were in pain because “Jesus wasn’t in your life”. Is the Dalai Lama in pain? Gandhi was, but only because he saw the ignorance and hate in people like the fundamentalists.

    • theFewtheProudtheMarinara says:

      Why would I mock someone? Listen, I don’t care what silly crap you believe in. It’s when you get all holier-than-thou I feel the need to point out your beliefs are – how can I put this dipomatically – bullshit.

      • Drew says:

        Mountain Darwin… At least practice what you preach moron… I’m an atheist and I disrespect no persons personal beliefs. The truth is no single person on this earth can be 100 percent sure of anything. I could be wrong there might be a god and not specifically yours.

        There are a lot of people who will condemn a person to hell for no good reason without the slightest idea of the concept of eternity. How could a “loving god” send any of its creations to a place of unthinkable suffering for an amount of time that is incomprehensible for what a person could do in 60-80 years give or take.

        That is not the actions of a superior being that is on the side of good. The idea of you putting words into your gods mouth is sicking. There are many types of faith in this world and the amount of intolerance some of the people interpret to their religion is ludicrous. You need to sit down and have a long think about where you allegiance lies. Because it’s obvious you don’t practice the first damn thing you preach.

        • theFewtheProudtheMarinara says:

          How could a loving god sentence anyone to eternal torment? Obviously impossible.
          It’s all about marketing. When you trying to sell NOTHING at a high price, you have to up the ante!

          Say you’re a holy man or woman and you want 10% or more of someone’s wealth. You can’t sell them ANYTHING
          tangible; not good health or longer life or prosperity. So give them the greatest promise you possibly can – eternal bliss in a paradise which, sadly, you can’t show and no one has ever seen.

          Not good enough? Use the other side of your magic coin. Inform them if they don’t obey your every word they will be tortured forever. Of course, like heaven, no one has ever seen this “hell” you threaten them with, but make it sound as bad as possible. Cowards and fools will sign up immediately, and eventually others will be brainwashed or forced into enlisting.

  4. Grace says:

    Despite following a different path (see email), I can easily see the flaws in this argument. I don’t know about you, but I prefer gentle satire (which happens to everyone famous, regardless of what they’ve done, so why not God?) to people interrupting my philosophical conversation with an abrupt, ‘You’re all barking mad, you know. There is no God, you’re wasting your life’ etc. etc. etc…(feel free to insert custom swearing). Believe me, it’s happened.
    So… if it’s a joke, you’re getting upset about a bit of harmless fun. If it’s not, you’re insulting a harmless group of people who are only supporting their beliefs. You can’t win, I’m afraid…

    • nun sequitur says:

      Sorry but it is NOT harmless to tell a person that faith healing is available & works if only i BELIEVE implying very pointedly a lack on my part..& if someone holding that jesus cures physical pain but only if u ASK him in …what is he a vampire? I will give u eternal life if only u ASK me in…please some1 make a jesus vampire movie before i exit the story here, i think quentin terrentino could do a kick-a*s job..
      & as for someone calling u ‘barking mad’ 4 believing u have all the answers, what can i tell u…i have not only physical pain but suffer from depression preceding & continuing. . .@ least u can KNOW u r not ‘mad’ , u just propose to b blessed & correct…which by definition relegates non believers lacking in ethics & morals, so ive been told…& prone to suffering…did i leave anything out? Ive been considered mad for far less & by people whom posit similarly to yourself…it is not really harmless @ all, it is damaging. It becomes more hazy to ammend this with the brand of christianity which some persons rely on privately & which they derive comfort from without imposing unrealistic & sorry to inform u, meanspirited attempts @ salvation of others..even when not actively having been pursued, which is by many (note, it was MORE than one person said such things to me regarding my pain being lack of jesus), there is the implied contempt remaining…
      & I follow this by overstating out of necessity, that issues i share regarding the ingestion of gluten, the health issues which r scientifically proven 2 result & which elimination can begin 2 address, may smack of tactics religions use to convert adherents but, that is where the compare splits. The only comparison is there is caring involved, but one condemns a person unrealistically & the other provides real hope for a good # of people.

  5. TheRiLi says:

    Prove that : they can make money by create a new Church , a new religion ,, (( in this blog they sell – ADS , T-shirts and accept donations )) because they laughing at people with some words ,,
    I can see the owner of this blog when he go to bed and he smile because today gained more than yesterday ,, just because another stupid human on this WWW , click (share , +1 , LIKE) buttons ,,
    Like me or any one cant get what they do on this nasty blog you can just : don’t come here again , don’t share any link (URL) to this blog or any page relate to it , don’t click on ADS , Affiliate links , etc..
    It’s trade.

    • The Reverend Toni Rigatoni says:

      Dear TheRiLi, nobody is obliged to buy any merchandise from the owner of this site, unlike other religions, where the faithful are paying daily not just in the form of money, but with guilt, fear and a whole host of other unnecessary burdensome baggage from the cradle to the grave. Of course money can be made from religion, new or old, that’s what it exists for, to make money so that the church gets richer and richer whilst the average believer gets poorer and poorer both in body and spirit.
      At least when a regular or a visitor to this site spends a one off couple of quid, they get in return a nice warm tee-shirt; what do the religious get in return for their lifetime of giving, the promise of paradise and a life ever-lasting, in other words absolutely nothing. This site exists to provide a forum for like-minded people and to campaign for a secular world, putting an end to the disproportionate level of power the church wields in government and education in the US and here in Europe. If people want to donate to that cause then I say ‘good for them’, if people want to buy a Tee to show the world they care about the problems of organised religion or to say ‘I support the fight’, I say buy the Tee-shirt and wear it with pride as I do. Our prophet Bobby (may the Sauce be with him) has never threatened us with eternal damnation if we don’t buy a Tee-shirt or a Pirate mug (stale beer and ugly strippers not withstanding) but try and get into the kingdom of heaven without paying through the nose and you have no chance. Money going into this site is used to maintain the site so as to enable the fight to continue, the fight against the real ‘traders’ in religion, the snake oil salesmen that offer you nothing, in return for everything you have; your money, self-worth and ultimately your life, a life wasted, devoted to buying some god’s forgiveness for sins that that self same god was responsible for endowing you with in the first place.
      There are many that feel the warmth of their god’s love but I’ve got a Tee-shirt to keep me warm, and it was one hell of a lot cheaper than the cost of god’s love!

      May the Sauce be with you.

      The Reverend

      • TheRiLi says:

        Hi Toni,, You are a skilled dealer,,

        About : {waste your time and life} ,, i have a quite small question : what about if i say am a believer for one of The three major religions and i find that’s so cool and makes me more strong ..
        The Problem is : we can’t live without any religion or faith ,, and you can see ,,Throughout history the humans worshiped many things : Sun, Moon, and many idols made of many materials, (Iron, wood, Stone, cakes, bread, and also date paste), another question presents itself strongly : from where did the idea of religions came and why we find it constantly (in different ways)?
        Belief in the existence of God is very complex,, I am not here to prove it or try to convince you about it…
        But all I want to say, it’s not necessarily believe that God exists would mean that you will live in poverty and slavery,, Because in my religion, I find that I have a lot of rights which the state has deprived me of it, by virtue of it secular.
        In my religion, the state must take money from the rich and divide it fairly to the poor. must not imprison people.The man in prison, his innocent children will be in danger, will be subjected to harassment, theft, and turned into depraved persons.

        In my personal view i think that we can find in my religion a lot of very good things needed by any person. i dont know more about other religious but it seems similar somehow.

        I think you know everything that I said well, which is why you think that can solve the crisis by creating a new God and try to establishment a new religion based on a new different requirements. For this you agree that the solution to all human problems must be through the creation of a religion able to solve it all.

        This is what ancients was thought, Start from Adam, Noah, Buddha, Christ and Mohammed, Ibrahim, Jacob, and and and and …

        But the problem is that you do not accept any of them, And spread lies about them also, But in truth you are just like them,

        you create some new brilliant offers and start sell the promises of salvation,, you promise me and other that i will never go hell,, and if I succeeded to emancipate my mind from any other religion and faith i will won (my life and time).

        The question : What is the difference between your religion and other religions? ( I want to evaluate products to be able to choose the most appropriate for me :/ )

        —-
        I wrote in all sincerity and angerity,,
        TheRiLi ,, {Done in the 25Th of this month, and I could not send it before now}

        • Drained and Washed Clean says:

          what about if i say am a believer for one of The three major religions and i find that’s so cool and makes me more strong ..
          ** Just because something makes you feel better doesn’t make it true.

          The Problem is : we can’t live without any religion or faith ,, and you can see ,,
          ** Yes we can. Secular countries have a lower crime rate than religious countries (http://www.secularhumanism.org/index.php?section=library&page=pzuckerman_26_5). The percentage of atheists/non-religious is .2% and we are only about 16% of the population. However the christians? 83% (http://www.holysmoke.org/icr-pri.htm)
          Throughout history the humans worshiped many things : Sun, Moon, and many idols made of many materials, (Iron, wood, Stone, cakes, bread, and also date paste),
          **What does that prove?
          another question presents itself strongly : from where did the idea of religions came and why we find it constantly (in different ways)?
          ** We have to find ways to explain things, and when you cannot explain something you use something you can’t explain to explain it. With the number of religions throughout history, how can any one person be sure that the religion they are practicing is the correct one? What if Thor is actually god?
          Belief in the existence of God is very complex,, I am not here to prove it or try to convince you about it…
          **Not complex. They make it complex to try to make it seem possible. Very simple. Not there.
          But all I want to say, it’s not necessarily believe that God exists would mean that you will live in poverty and slavery,,
          ** What? Where did we say that? However, it is interesting that the Vatican has so much money, yet so much of the world lives in squalor. I would think a god would want to do something about that.
          Because in my religion, I find that I have a lot of rights which the state has deprived me of it, by virtue of it secular.
          **Like what?
          In my religion, the state must take money from the rich and divide it fairly to the poor.
          **So you are a communist?
          must not imprison people.
          **And what is done with all those people who are a danger to society?
          The man in prison, his innocent children will be in danger, will be subjected to harassment, theft, and turned into depraved persons.
          ** All choices have consequences. And they screwed up. They knew the consequence for their choice, and did it anyway.
          In my personal view i think that we can find in my religion a lot of very good things needed by any person. i dont know more about other religious but it seems similar somehow.
          **No… One does not need a religion to know what is moral.
          I think you know everything that I said well, which is why you think that can solve the crisis by creating a new God and try to establishment a new religion based on a new different requirements. For this you agree that the solution to all human problems must be through the creation of a religion able to solve it all.
          **About tab.
          This is what ancients was thought, Start from Adam, Noah, Buddha, Christ and Mohammed, Ibrahim, Jacob, and and and and …
          ** Adam… Prove existence. Noah… Prove flood. Christ… Prove biblical existence.
          But the problem is that you do not accept any of them, And spread lies about them also, But in truth you are just like them,
          **Please cite the lies we have told about the people. And no. Difference being that we are being satirical, and you are not.
          you create some new brilliant offers and start sell the promises of salvation,, you promise me and other that i will never go hell,, and if I succeeded to emancipate my mind from any other religion and faith i will won (my life and time).
          ** No. About Tab.
          The question : What is the difference between your religion and other religions? ( I want to evaluate products to be able to choose the most appropriate for me :/ )
          **Nothing. That is exactly the point. About tab.

      • TheRiLi says:

        eh ,, do you know what your bobby do with gains of the site ??
        If no ,, so Stop squandering the money ,, maybe he use them for bad things like : “Bribe a school guard to let him raping a minor boy.” or maybe : “Purchase of pornographic discs” Or maybe just to “pay rent of his luxury villa on the shores of the Philippines”.

        • Shamit says:

          u by any chance a muslim?

        • The Reverend Toni Rigatoni says:

          Hello again TheRiLi, Thank you for taking the time to respond, it’s quite a refreshing change from the usual hit and run posters we usually encounter.
          I will try to respond appropriately to your questions and statements but forgive me if I fall short as your post is somewhat fragmented and occasionally ambiguous. It is obvious that English is not your first language so bravo for making the effort.
          Let me start if I may by clearing up a misunderstanding; it would seem from some of the content of your post that you are under the impression that the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster (CotFSM) has been created to achieve, via a different route, that which other religions seek (power, money, faithful followers, money, power, money etc.). Let me assure you my friend that is not so. The CotFSM exists, in part, as a mirror to be held up to religion and faith, reflecting the same idiosyncrasies they exhibit; everything you find in Pastafarianism that is contradictory, factually and historically inaccurate, biologically impossible or just plain ridiculous is a reflection of those same traits found in all other faiths, even yours. I can say that with a measure of confidence even though I don’t know what god or god’s you follow, as the difference between all religions is merely in the details, the end game remains the same – selling you salvation and at a high price as I’ve already said in my previous post. So you see friend, your assumption that I believe religion to be a panacea for the world’s ills is totally, completely, incontrovertibly wrong! In fact it is my utter conviction that religion is more effective as a cause of most of the problems of this world rather than a cure for them.
          With that out of the way I will now attempt to answer the questions that remain. You say that as a believer you are able to feel stronger as you put it; if that works for you, fine. Don’t think however that it validates your belief in any way, it doesn’t, neither would any rational person think it ‘cool’ to be dependant upon a superstition in order to feel good. You state, without any evidence that, and I quote ‘we can’t live without religion or faith’. That statement is patently absurd and factually inaccurate, a rapidly growing proportion of the inhabitants of this planet of ours are able to live good, happy and fulfilling lives without the need to rely upon fantasy and delusion, I count myself among that blessed number. You speak of ancient beliefs such as Sun and Moon worship and you almost certainly dismiss them as mythology, irrelevant to your beliefs and you would be right, but remember, those beliefs were as real to those that held them as yours are to you now; how can you, or anybody else be so arrogant as to be utterly convinced that your beliefs are the correct ones and theirs can be assigned to mythology? It is my most dearly held wish that one day ALL religions will become as irrelevant as an idol made from cake. (mmmm-cake)
          You are correct when you say that belief in god is complex, it is the result of a complex evolutionary processes in the human brain in a similar way that the use of language evolved. There are many scientific papers and excellent books available that explain the processes and the evolutionary factors that drove it. Two of my favourites are ‘The God Part of the Brain’ by Matthew Alpur and ‘The God Delusion’ by the evolutionary biologist, Richard Dawkins, please read them. The short answer is, the existence of spirituality in the human psyche does not in any way support or validate the existence of a supreme being outside of our imagination.
          You accuse me of spreading lies – but tell me, how can telling the truth as one sees it be interpreted as lying? Lying is the purposeful misrepresentation of something, usually resulting in some benefit for the perpetrator, I have nothing to gain from lying or from denying the characters you name, they are simply irrelevant to me in the same way as cake idols are irrelevant to you (mmmmm cake). The churches on the other hand have much to gain from the misrepresentation and deliberate misinterpretation of the bible and from lying by omission when they fail to tell you of the hundreds of contradictions, factual and historical inaccuracies, biological impossibilities and plain old ridiculous stuff contained in the bible/torah/Koran. What they stand to gain, as I have already said, is your soul, your self worth and most of all, your money! The price you pay to absolve yourself from the sins that they have convinced you with their lies that you are guilty of.
          Secularism doesn’t or at least shouldn’t seek to deprive the religious of their right to believe or worship as they please, rather, it serves to keep church and state separate, to ensure the church does not enjoy special privilege and is not permitted to exert undue pressure on government and education or infringe upon the rights of those who don’t believe as they do. If your state is denying you your rights based solely on the fact that you are religious it would suggest that there is something a lot more sinister than purely secularism underlying your government’s actions. If on the other hand you are being prevented from exercising what you imagine as your rights (no right exists that contravenes another’s rights) then that is how it should be. Be honest, are these rights you so cherish those endowed upon you by your religion, such as the right to subjugate women or to stone homosexuals to death? I would hope not but history suggests, sadly, that they probably are.
          Finally, the last short post I felt was very disappointing, I didn’t expect after your previous polite post (calling me liar notwithstanding), that you would then go on to make libellous suggestions that Bobby is a corrupt paedophile. Libelling someone is NOT a right you should have and is punishable by law in civilised countries. Perhaps you are confusing us with the Roman Catholic church as it is they who have the monopoly on that particular peccadillo I’m given to understand (Incidentally, that’s not libellous as no libel is committed when the truth is written). Unlike your prophets, our own Bobby exists and takes human form and as such may enjoy porn, maybe not, but it’s his money after all. As for his home in the Philippines, well, I don’t know where he lives and frankly it matters little to me, he has to live somewhere after all and if he is brave enough to live in a country that has the fifth highest rate of killings by firearms in the world I say, good luck to him. Incidentally, the Philippines is also one of the most religious countries in the world; causation anybody? I’ll leave that for you to decide.
          Those last couple of sentences belie the good grace of your previous post and reveals you as no more than a judgemental bigot. We see it time and time again, no matter how your type tries to be reasonable and polite; you just can’t resist a blast of hate at the end. Far from furthering your cause you put it back centuries with that kind of behaviour, thank you for all your efforts on our behalf.
          I hope I have addressed all your concerns and questions. If I have misinterpreted anything please clarify the point and I will more than happy to continue our discussion, I miss these little chats since the Jehovah Witnesses have mysteriously stopped calling.

          May the Sauce be with you,

          The Reverend.

          p.s. Does anyone know where I can get date paste idols? (mmmmm-date paste)

        • Ezra says:

          @The Reverend Toni Rigatoni

          You are awesome. Ramen.

      • nun sequitur says:

        …’from the cradle to the grave…’ i just started paying attention to some of the things u say, here. I m not intentionally NOT listening, i am just in a bad place…& things do not sink in well, with me always because ive had some issues learning, @ its most basic as an explanation i have what has been called a thick head & thin skin…due 2 numerous factors…but think u r smart & appreciate some of the things u have said & am going 2 finish reading & try focusing on that & 2 not post, myself. I do want 2 apologize if i overpost…it was not intended 2 b intrusive.

        • nun sequitur says:

          To some of what u say…the same could b said of some1- what u say of religion, concerning ‘money’,,, of ANY charitable organization or, of some1 whom is a victim of a crime making a VALID claim against any other organisation…including victims whom happen 2 b members of various factions, or even within the SAME faction & is not neccessarily as u say… i m sure some1 had made unsolicited remarks 2 me concerning such regarding my accidents for example…i have heard persons insinuating that the molestation victims in a case going on here r after $ so, there is no accounting for all unfounded remarks…some people DO believe all justice is in NEXT life – it is fine 2 believe this too, it is just when justice is denied in this life when it can be not the case but people worry more about $ than justice that things r made even more unjust & thats the last i will say on that…other than people coming out with things they fear to because of comments like these r HURT FURTHER above & beyond abuses.

        • nun sequitur says:

          To some of what u say…the same could b said of some1- what u say of religion, concerning ‘money’,,, of ANY charitable organization or, of some1 whom is a victim of a crime making a VALID claim against any other organisation…including victims whom happen 2 b members of various factions, or even within the SAME faction & is not neccessarily as u say… i m sure some1 had made unsolicited remarks 2 me concerning such regarding my accidents for example…i have heard persons insinuating that the molestation victims in a case going on here r after $ so, there is no accounting for all unfounded remarks…some people DO believe all justice is in NEXT life – it is fine 2 believe this too, it is just when justice is denied in this life when it can be not the case but people worry more about $ than justice that things r made even more unjust & thats the last i will say on that…other than people coming out with things they fear to because of comments like these r HURT FURTHER above & beyond abuses.THAT is what i get for reading only 1 sentence out of entire section…it was not as it appeared. I also care 2 much about people whom insult without basis .

        • nun sequitur says:

          The same things u say of $ could b said of a human rights organisation which has noble intentions & does not impose ‘sin’ concepts on people…& unlike u i do care about certain living people, i m talking not of this when i refer 2 not specifically caring about a thousands year old debate over certain specific details. I care that there were human rights violations, period. I was gossiped about after several accidents & had it said my being in pain from them was somehow in relation 2 $…i tried & failed @ taking my life more than once after being lied about numerous times & have been made 2 feel as if i have done something wrong when i have NOT. So blanket statements about that specifically i disagree with u on. I do not argue for myself well, but i know i m telling the truth…& if i will b lied about further when i m gone so b it- its better than being alive & lied about 2 have 2 hear it.

        • nun sequitur says:

          Yes rev toni rigatoni, i can tell u where 2 get date paste. I will sell u some, after i take some dates, depit them, stick them in food proccessor, package them & send it 2 u. What do u think is a fair asking price? i actually have no dates & currently in 2 much pain 2 do more than this & even this is 2 much effort. ..i was teasing u about $ comments u made. I m sorry if i offended u, but as my husbnd points out, if he does not care, he cannot b offended by things said; i am AFFECTED by what people have thought, caring or not. ..but caring adds another layer of burden & it is hard 2 figure out how 2 stop caring. HOPE on the other hand was abandoned ages ago…

      • nun sequitur says:

        Heres a question….if a person is abused by one & assaulted by a member of the police, then some1 whom abused u joined the same group…& then u get a call from representative of SAME group, & u support those not involved but, thru cronyism & tactics, more members within the group become aligbed against u…& then u get a call for the annual fund drive & just hearing the name of the group makes u want 2 curl into a ball & die, would u donate?

      • nun sequitur says:

        In ur defence, i m just informed by household member that priests in catholic tradition accept- is it an intercession? remuneration to pray to free the souls of loved ones from purgatory…to ‘release’ them to heavens…& was one of the objections martin luther had when he broke away & formed lutheran church? I may b wrong on this, as i m repeating from some1 elses words. so how does that go,,bribing demons to let go of just that 1

    • Drew says:

      TheRiLi… Are you crazy who in the hell would spend cash on porn when there is spankwire trolololololo!!

      But really in all seriousness the ideas of your extreme cases are absurd… Make a legit argument next time or stfu and don’t post…. I don’t disrespect your personal beliefs so stop disrespecting others. It’s racist and don’t say it’s not because you are discriminating against a person based on their personal choice. Do you go out on the streets and if you see a homosexual start calling them faggots or even murder them based on their life choice. You TheRiLi are a racist and you make me sick. Get some damn tolerance and start accepting people for who they are…..

      White,Black,Yellow,Brown,Gay,Lesbian,Murderer,Pedophile,Animal Abusers and the list goes on… They all bleed the same color of blood as you me and every other single person on this tiny dot we call home. Even if they are sick in the head they still have the freedom to believe what they like. Do I agree with some it of course not but I do not disrespect someone because of it.

      • nun sequitur says:

        UM,,,pedophiles & animal abusers do not belong in same category as the rest, sorry…just my opinion. I do not know what category they belong in, maybe need immediate intervention slot? Just saying. We love pets & wish 2 c children protected. not saying u do not. Do not want 2 c people taking these serious matters into their own hands. I live for years having suffered abuse & do not want to see suffering further, i just want it to STOP. JUST my opinion.

        • nun sequitur says:

          & Rev Rigatoni: the god delusion we had gotten as a book on tape/cd some time ago from the public library (which we encourage people 2 support), so that is also an option, as some people learn better by hearing the information or, attending a conferrence & being able 2 ask questions…personally i ‘get’ things only in stages, like learning on a broad curve as opposed 2 in a linear manner, maybe? I sometimes have 2 hear or see things or read them several times. I get overwhelmed with information & start to tune out. So recorded books r a good option for me…except that i fall asleep doing reading & this too…but try 2 just start over…i mention these things as u make reading reccomendations & in case any1 else out there has similar issues, could consider this. as usual i overstate the obvious & u would probably think i m asleep while writing this, now, but not so. i am only HALF asleep. as promised i shall b quiet now. people may b trying 2 read.

        • TheRiLi says:

          Wow nun :p .. you wr8 more than u breathe ,, but yay ,, u are GOOD .. I love u :/

          However ,, I think that I waste some time here ,, and I don’t want to waste more… Perhaps ur words will make some minds work, but also make some people more stupid when they can’t understand the logic… GOOD LUCK…

  6. Samantha says:

    I would just like to point out that Pastafarianism is actually not recent. Bobby Henderson rediscovered it, but in fact it has been around for quite some time. And really, what the noodle did YOU think you were going to accomplish, with your spite and misery because you can’t entertain a humorous thought to save your life? Pastafarianism allows people to have a break from the harshness of the world. And for everyone who says people can get over their problems with the mindset, you expect way too much from 14 year old girls. Sometimes, we all truly need a little help. And when you don’t believe in anything, but you can’t accept that there’s nothing, Pastafarianism is there. Because I really can’t keep going with nothing out there to help me. I don’t know about your life, and I’m not saying you don’t have your own problems, but if you can’t find your relief, don’t take it out on those who can. And don’t say The Flying Spaghetti Monster can’t be real. “People who say it cannot be done should not interrupt those who are doing it.” -George Bernard Shaw.

    • nun sequitur says:

      George Bernard Shaw ALSO said : the illiterate of the 21st century will not b those whom cannot read or write, but those whom cannot learn, unlearn & relearn…

      It was close to that @ least, it was printed inside of a ‘tea’ container lid, which I had saved & just went 2 go try & locate it so that I do not misattribute mister shaw, but cannot locate the thing in this heap of disorganized chaos we call home…so may want 2 verify that. When i was 14, i had an investment in god, still & not sure I do not but do not pretend 2 definitively know & for that matter what form this would take & if it is an interventional being etc…which is in a rock song ive heard…into my arms o lord, into my arms i think was part of it- there is a spot about not believing in an interventional god…maybe it is 2 separate songs, dunno…anyway, oddly have a heap of music here with religious overtones & undertones & so much of it beautiful or just kick a*s…rufus wainrights hallelujah & the o brother where art thou soundtrack r good, & that song personal jesus, , ,i bring this up because if there r any aspiring musicians lurking: u could make something around FSM. or not. just a thought.

      • nun sequitur says:

        Both the johnny cash cover & the original of personal heyseuss. Johnny does an outstanding cover of ‘hurt’ by NIN as well…

    • nun sequitur says:

      MISTAKE correction…geo bernard shaw did not make that remark, according 2 teacap, source attributed 2 one ALBERT TOFFLER

      • nun sequitur says:

        No…alVIN toffler. VIN,,,not BERT.

  7. Praise and Glory to the FSM, Now Pass the BEER Mate! says:

    David,if you don’t want to be mocked, don’t have such funny beliefs. if a god exists, and the bible shows an accurate portrayal of that god (debunks for islam also available on request), then god condones slavery, prejudice against women, genocide (he tells the jews to do this REPEATEDLY throughout the old testament, and also…noah’s flood), prejudice against homosexuals (the bible claims it is “unnatural” even though there is a list of over 1000 species that have homosexual relations.),thinks you should go to hell if you eat shellfish, or wear mixed cloth (of more than one type, ie, half polyester, half cotton), and claims to be all-loving, yet SENDS PEOPLE TO A PLACE OF ETERNAL TORMENT:HELL! Have beliefs that make sense, or let people mock them. The claim that i have a dragon is more plausable than the bible, as the bible has been written and edited over thousands of years, by many authors, in more than 10 languages. NEWS FLASH: You’re self-contradictory! You say you are cool with us being atheists, BUT THE BIBLE SAYS TO KILL US! It says to kill all non-Christians, and treat women like slaves. So, in other words, kill 3.6 billion people, and treat 1.8 billion people like property(im glad you aren’t a “TRUE” christian and don’t follow this bit….). Sounds REALLLLY, REALLLY loving and peaceful, don’t it? Brought to you by:LOGIC!Use it sometime.

    • nun sequitur says:

      My spouse was JUST telling me about the king james bible being translated from greek…& questions of authenticity…a relative of my own was actually a scribe, whom translated texts from one to another language (tho, not king james; i was raised jewish) & i would like 2 continue 2 firmly believe my relation did accurately do his job, but the point should b made that things get ‘lost in translation’ even with the most noble of intentions…that was what i got from the discussions, anyway. Sometimes if u examine a religious text which has been translated into english, there r a # of footnotes referrencing how SOME translations say something only just shy of whatever sentence in question or, a translation that knocks the existing 1 out of the water completely, is entirely different…not that i have done all that much scripture examining, but what little i have, noticed some of this…some of my ‘investigation’ has been involuntary, inotherwords by being beat over the head with unsolicited religious observations (may i give u this bible? ….if i say no, will have it held against me, if i say yes, will have an obligation…2 feel guilty for saying yes okay, sure giveit2me, when i really mean no, thank you). ..

    • nun sequitur says:

      I am beginning to think we ARE god; WE. Each & every1 of us & all of us combined…It makes sense. We have thru science the governance over things only ever dreamed, of…& the probability of more, the possibility of it. We have the ability to determine the well being to a point, of everyone…within the realm we live in. Effecting all dimensions. Ripple effects…so, when we seek justice HERE, it ‘pays’ off some karmic sufferings…sort of. The way I c it…Someone tried to explain 2 me once, the function our pineal gland serves…it is roughly the area behind that which is correlated with the ‘third eye’, between & above the eyes… & thought to b the ‘seat’ of psychic ability, in part attributed to this- that may have been disproven by other additional findings.

    • nun sequitur says:

      ‘if u dont want 2 b mocked dont have such funny beliefs’ …as some1 whom has been mocked, i can tell u that people r not generally trying 2 b found funny. That is part of the issue…& when u r serious & some1 is laughing in ur face, it can b disconcerting & hurtful. I said that when i read the letter 2 schoolboard, i did not know whether 2 laugh or cry or both. ..it turns out i was already crying for existing reasons, tho, so that helped cinch it.

    • nun sequitur says:

      Praise glory, we had thought the admonitions regarding shellfish were more, maybe as a practical warning against things like food poisoning in an era lacking sophisticated understanding of science based explanations perhaps…as the admonitions pertaining to sexuality maybe intended as practical & fell shy…to do with potential practical health concerns & consequences, potentially, in some cases…but if people believe in a deity handing down these instructions, would also have to concede the same omnipotent entity could have phased out certain natural inclinations rather than allow them to flourish- & must b an all powerful f-kup if actually suggesting any1 would CHOOSE 2 b conflicted about their sexuality, which all but 1 person ive met would have seemingly traded the experience of coming 2 terms with that for a needle in the eye…& then there is the commentary on mixed cloth. hell hath no fury but that reserved for those wearing polyester blendings…
      I am doomed apparently just for thateth, as i just noted the labelth on my sweater. Its a blend. ..of natural & synthetic materials…so, i dunno what in heaven would haveth me hesitate to end my life, i am ALREADY doomed according to traditional teachings.

      • nun sequitur says:

        So…if wearing fiber blends protects us from cold temperatures, now that we have evolved to the point of being bald primates, these texts if followed would have a good many of us getting fingers amputated from frostbite. testicles ascend into the body cavity for warmth/protection from the elements under such conditions, our fingers & toes do not. I never thought about it before, but there really r a whole lot of questionable reccomends in these texts…the brand of food called ‘food for life’i think it is, has a product line to do with SCRIPTURE…there is one product called Ezekiel bread where scripture is quoted RIGHT on the label…it includes gluten. Sprouted gluten is still gluten…so is spelt, still gluten…trying to explain gluten intolerance to some1 more concerned u r trying to dispel a long line of tradition is a challenge. People will wear fiber blends before removing something from their diets which is proven to b harming & even potentially, slowly but surely, killing people. The god of many texts is fairly sadistic, by many standards…having been in more than 1 abusive relationship it is clear enough 2 me, what has been happening- god could come down & personally smite every1 individually & collectively & there would still b people kissing the feet of said deity begging for mercy instead of waiting it out in a secluded cave, which is the rational response. SO, it is written to take grains of this type in a vessel & sprout them…according to the product label, that is the protocol being employed. TAKE the proven to b harmful grains OUT of the recipe. I can almost guarantee u will b forgiven in the afterlife assuming it is all u expect it 2 b, otherwise. Gluten is a neurotoxin. Unless god was a mad scientist intent on messing his perfect creations up, or wishing to sedate us all, i think he is going to b forgiving on this & make this smallish concession. Mayb god was a psychiatrist & earth is one big institution. That is the only explanation for including gluten in our instruction manuals…it is among other things a SEDATIVE. Knowledge is power. If we r all going 2 b trapped here together, it is probably better to empower one another rather than poison ourselves & eachother & if it is by choice, let it b INFORMED choosing. That my intent, to inform, to pass the power. If god gave us the tableture, if that is the belief, where do u suppose this grey matter came from …& even without the definitive answer, already r on the way to making an informed decision rather than blindly following BAD advice…

        • nun sequitur says:

          so, what kind of intelligent designer would design creations to have testicles protected from temperature extremes while leaving digits exposed- how can u pick up the club to use on the mate of ur choosing when all of your fingers r frostbitten off….sounds like this intelligent designer failed to factor in certain things about the environment he created…if god is anything, he is a science STUDENT…with alot left to learn. LEARNING is evolving.

        • nun sequitur says:

          THAT measage is especially for any1 bashing me 4 bringing a well intentioned consideration 2 the TABLE…i am well aware that there is no seat provided 4 me & 4 all but maybe 2 thoughtful responses,,,, i m gr8ful, 4 that…it ALMOST makes me yearn 4 the fundamentalists having tried 2 ‘save’ me in the past…not the 1 trying to do it with his ‘staff’ tho…i couldve done without his brand of ‘salvation’…in ur being brutally honest in ur contempt, hope u have mirrors @ ur place.

        • theFewtheProudtheMarinara says:

          Watch it with the fiber blends! As our fundies like to say “the Bible clearly states: Thou shalt not wear a garment of divers sorts, as of woolen and linen together.” Deuteronomy 22:11 I don’t know if this is a capital offense, like gathering firewood on the Sabbath or sassing your parents or joking about a prophet’s baldness or watching Sodom blowing up, but let’s not take any chances!

  8. Sauce of Life says:

    Why does everyone have so much trouble understanding that the God of all creation is the FSM. The FSM created all that is seen and unseen, touched and untouched, buttered or garlicked, in this world and universe. I believe the FSM created all other religions to weed out and fully identify His true followers, the Pastafarians. However, the FSM does not persecute those who don’t follow every word of His saucy goodness. In fact, He offers His balls of glory to anyone willing to see the truth…and even provides a 30 day guarantee. How in the world can anyone not see the truth that is all loving, all fulfilling and at the same time willing to throw back a couple of beers with the congregation?

    You can believe anything you want, just as long as you eventually find the truth or else you will be sent to an area reserved for stale beer and strippers with STD’s–FSM help you if that happens! What more do you need to know, hear, or see to understand that the FSM is the one true God out of the thousands recognized around the world? How can you believe that some cloud fairy sent his son to die for our sins? Why in the hell would a God need to do that? Plus, if your God was real and infinitely complex he would have to be created by another God more complex, or from nothing at all. We all know that life isn’t created from nothing. I mean that would indicate that life evolved over billions of years and we all know that the FSM created everything. So, the only reasonable answer is that the FSM is the ultimate God of Gods, the Capo di Capi or Chief of Chiefs.

    What came first, the chicken or the egg? Neither. The FSM came first and He created everything else. Just because you don’t understand His ways does not mean that he didn’t have a Noodle in it. How do you think the Chinese came up with the idea for boiled noodles over 4,000 years ago? Hmmm, don’t you think it’s amazing that this very dish is called RAMEN. RAmen. Coincidence…I think not! Because you choose to ignore the signs of His omnipotent powers, you will perish in a sea of stale beer, covered in STD’s from your head to toes!

    So, all of you who practice IDOLATRY praying to your fake prophets who require you to flog yourselves and live as thoughtless robots to achieve some afterlife status or be sent to the depths of hell, I say to you: MAY YOU BE TOUCHED BY HIS NOODLY APPENDAGE!!! I know none of you out there will listen to me, because your parents forgot to tell you your God was a fairy tale like Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, the Tooth Fairy, and Sandra Bullocks marriage to Jesse James. However, it is time you think for yourself and recognize the inconsistencies and sheer idiocy that is your religion. You can only join the holiest of holy holier than holy club, if you start reading the one and only true Bible, the Gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster! A book thousands of years old, filled with absolutely certain truths, written by a bunch of people who contradict themselves, must be true! There is no other explanation. Granted, some would say that before science people thought God shot light from the skies to show his anger. Now with science, we all know that this was in fact the FSM getting drunk at the beer volcano and tripping on the electrical cord powering the “Hot Girls” sign at the Stripper Factory, which inevitably caused an electrical current to shoot down to Earth in the form of lightning. He is all knowing and although not everything is revealed to us yet, do not question His ways, because the FSM likes to play jokes on people, especially midgets.

    Now that you have been properly schooled, try and remember that the FSM often times messes with scientists to ensure that no one has the strategic picture of how He created everything. Dinosaurs you ask? Look under the supposed Dinosaur bones and know what you’ll find…noodles. He moves in mysterious ways…sometimes sideways, sometimes upways and downways, and other times in ways that we can’t even articulate because we humans are too stupid to understand. The next time you come to this website preaching your bs, I hope you’ll read this post and realize you are taking the wrong path.

    RAmen!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Atsap Revol says:

      Sauce of Life, Preach, Brother, Preach! Your enlightened words are a glorious testimony to our Sacred FSM. Hallelujah!

      Atsap Revol, Humble Disciple

      • Sauce of Life says:

        Thanks Atsap, you are obviously equally enlightened and a true Pasta Lover! Keep spreading the good word my brother!

        RAmen!

    • nun sequitur says:

      With all due respect, please pay @ least some time & equal thought to YIVO…aka shklee…4 unity sake.

    • nun sequitur says:

      ‘…thoughtless robots’

      just 1 last reccomendation. ..the ‘robots’ song by flight of the conchords..it is either called that or ‘the humans r dead’…b4 u think i m advocating murder suggeat a hear.

      Suggest, even.
      we r having issues with the page back button.

    • nun sequitur says:

      No offense, but threatening to leave some1 with stale beverage of this type would not apply 2 some1 whom does not have an interest in fermented or carbonated beverages 2 begin with. .,for example.

      It would maybe matter if some1 were denied water & given only this as option. ..?

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