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When you have 3.6 Billion adherents

Published November 27th, 2010 by Bobby Henderson

When you have 3.6 Billion adherents to your faith, we can start talking about teaching your ideas in school. When you think you’re right or not the decision on whether or not to teach creationism in school should come from the majority and the fact is 82.3% of Americans are christian and therefore believe that the earth was created by God and only 11.6 are unaffiliated with a religion, of which only a fraction are atheist or agnostic. Take out the agnostics because if they’re really agnostic they won’t care what’s being taught in school, and we’re talking about a small number of really loud people that are trying to force their beliefs on the rest of the country. How messed up is that. I’m not going to force my beliefs on you. I think that’s why they did the whole separation of church and state thing, so that a certain belief system, Evolution included, would not be forced upon the population. So teach evolution, go ahead, I know for a fact that Brigham Young University and Brigham Young University Idaho, two christian schools teach evolution in their required classes, but if you’re going to teach one THEORY, and I emphasize theory not fact, then give credence to other theories that bare any social impact on our society. Like how about a theory that more than 50% of the world subscribes to? Anyway, peace be the journey, I give you credit for some funny stuff, like pirates and global warming, but don’t pretend to take nothing seriously if you actually do have very serious agenda.
–Jordan

All religions go through a phase of perceived fakeness. Funny you bring up BYU.  Mormonism got a lot of criticism for years because Joseph Smith used seer stones to find the location of their original scriptures and translate them from unknown languages.  Some might say that sounds like BS.  But with time and pressure it becomes a religion.  Not unlike the formation of rocks.  I am a scientist first, remember.



480 Responses to “When you have 3.6 Billion adherents”

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  1. Daren Niklerog says:

    The whole “majority rules” argument again. I guess, since a majority of folks down south liked slavery they should have been allowed to keep it. Majority rules! And if a majority of people vote to ban mixed marriage, well, majority rules! And all the jews and muslims better convert or burn–but only if the majority votes for it, of course.

    And, some years from now, when the numbers of Christians are dwindling, and the majority of people think the remainders of that ridiculous belief system should be tarred and feathered, well, majority rules!

    • Joel says:

      So….then the MINORITY should make all the decisions? Is not the very base of democracy the vote, and the winner is the majority winner? Christians have been under constant attack for decades. It is an “establishment” clause NOT a seperation clause. If you do not like it here, show the same guts my ancestors did and move to some place you DO like.

      • TiltedHorizon says:

        Right. Words I hope you will live by. People are getting tired of organized religion, more and more are joining the ranks of the freethinkers. One day you will be the minority, feel free to lead by example and pack your bags now.

        • Coxy says:

          Tilted couldn’t be more right, however more and more educated freethinkers are leaving mainstream faiths. However the uneducated still flock like sheep to religion for their answers, whilst christianity dwindles the islamic faith spreads like a wildfire. Christianity is not the wests enemy they may have their opinions but their crusades are in the past, islamic extremists however are increasing proclaim jihad against the western none believers.
          I have no issue with people having their own beliefs, however these people that wish to kill others due to them not having the same belief that is an all together worrying issue.
          Without religious extremists the leadership would have no shield to hide their personal agenda behind, maybe one day someone will do something about these extremists who plague our world with hate and war.

      • Atsap Revol says:

        JOEL:

        No, the base of democracy is the protection of minorities. You are confusing the process of electing officials with the protection of minorities afforded by the constitution.

        Like most fundies, you lament that “Christians have been under attack for decades.” Your kind believes that the Ten Commandments should be posted on every street corner and that Christian prayer should take place in every school. Since our constitution doesn’t allow your wishes to be granted, you feel “attacked.”

        Your little paradigm is not shared by everyone, so why don’t you move to a country that supports your religious goals? Good luck on that, there is no such country, and the world is becoming more secular as time goes by. Soon the majority will be non-religious, and then you will be happy to live in the US where your right to believe as you wish is protected by the constitution.

        RAmen
        AR

  2. Bibulk says:

    If your 3.6 billions of adherents are 3.6 billions of lemmings running right in a precipice, is it still a good reason of being an adherent?

    It’s not because there are a lot people saying bullshit that it’s not bullshit.

    I’m not saying that christians are all stupid and saying bullshit (hopefully it’s not! They are 3.6 billion!^^) but the argument you are using isn’t a good one.

    But people who try to put religion in everything (science, education,politic, war etc…) are pratically all stupids or clearly evil and shall be hung by their testicles (yeah! Even the women!!)

    Ramen, may the Pasta be with you.

  3. John says:

    Well, I think he just copied and pasted the first statistic he found, roughly 83% percent are religious in some way. About 72% are actually Christian in some way. And according to several surveys, Atheism has risen to 15%. And I am sorry that he doesn’t accept the theory of Evolution, but 93% of the scientific and academic community does. As he says, majority rules!

    • Keith says:

      I was rather shocked to see this headline in an Australian science magazine. http://www.australasianscience.com.au/ I don’t “believe” in evolution: I accept it as the best possible explanation based on the available evidence. There is no convincing evidence for ID/Creationism, only belief.

  4. Apprentice Frederic says:

    Jordan, pal, when you have 3.6 billion adherents, they will all elbow one another to death, and that is what is happening. Keep your arms down, and wear kidney protection, just in case you run into a Catholic, Mormon, Evangelical, Holy Roller, Calvinist, Jehovah’s Witness, or – God help you – a Westboro Baptist. You talk as if they *all* agreed with you, as if the validity of a “theory” – and you don’t know what a theory is – were settled by a vote, and as if science, from geology to genetics, didn’t bare [sic, your post] a more real and more important social impact than the maunderings of the fucking moral imbeciles in the leadership of any of the foregoing samples of sectarianism.

  5. theFewtheProudtheMarinara says:

    Here are some statistics from Wikipedia (OK, as Mark Twain said “There are lies, damned lies and statistics”):

    The vast majority of the scientific community and academia supports evolutionary theory as the only explanation that can fully account for observations in the fields of biology, paleontology, anthropology, and others.[16][17][18][19][20] One 1987 estimate found that “700 scientists … (out of a total of 480,000 U.S. earth and life scientists) … give credence to creation-science”.[21] An expert in the evolution-creationism controversy, professor and author Brian Alters states that “99.9 percent of scientists accept evolution”.[22] A 1991 Gallup poll of Americans found that about 5% of scientists (including those with training outside biology) identified themselves as creationists.[23][24]

  6. Resa says:

    kind of enjoyed this post :P not every part of it – there are a few things which i found a bit off however overall it was a pleasant read, thank you for the article! ;) Sincerely, Resa

  7. Donovan Phillips says:

    Okay, i think this person totally misunderstands what “agnostic” means. Being agnostic myself, i am genuinely offended by the assertion that i “don’t care what is taught at schools.” I believe schools should be taught things that have scientific proof, not things that MIGHT be true, but probably aren’t. evolution has strong reason behind it, intelligent design doesn’t.

  8. Tony Rosa says:

    Majority rules? So, at one time the vast supermajority of people on this planet believed the world was flat, does that make it true? For a scientific question about a subject such as evolution, I think looking at what the majority of highly educated scientists believe might be prudent. Unfortunately, in a subject such as this, the opinions of the uneducated masses can’t always be trusted. And about the THEORY and not a fact part…. This person clearly hasn’t retained even an elementary level of understanding of basic science, and certainly doesn’t understand the definition of the word “theory”. They are clearly using the popular definition of the word “theory”, which is a mere conjecture, or guess. They should be using the scientific definition of the word: a fomulation of apparent phenomena which has been verified to some degree; implies considerable evidence in support of a formulated general principle explaining the operation of certain phenomena (ie. “the theory of gravity” or “the theory of evolution”). (definitions from “New World Dictionary of the American Language, 2nd College Edition)

    Evolution is a fact. Charles Darwin proposed a theory (which is widely accepted amongst scientists) that explains how evolution happens.

    Teaching creationism in public schools is analagous to teaching magic instead of physics, or teaching flat-earthism as a counter-theory to the Earth being round. It would be ridiculous and a waste of our children’s time.

    Oh, and I just joined the church today and I can already feel it changing my life!!! “RAMEN!!!”

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