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Door propaganda

Published July 6th, 2010 by Bobby Henderson

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Our neighbor was hanging up a maria and jesus-icon in the hallway. We couldn’t let it hang unanswered.

Keep up the great work of spreading the words of The Flying Spaghetti Monster!

Regards from Chillnest :)

-Djinn



158 Responses to “Door propaganda”

  1. gordon_uk says:

    1. says:
    August 21, 2010 at 10:12 PM
    favourable companions
    good to see you missed me so, ive had exams over the past weeks and didnt have time to pay you all a visit. i like OHGYS, you know jews and muslims remove the vowles because they believe Gods name to be too holy to be displayed in full? really exciting that youd bestow similar reverance to my name, really guys your making me blush.
    Atsap seeing as lots of stories in OT could, like you say, just be mythology it doesnt concern me too much especially considering christians take their ethical teachings from NT. but seeing as youve posed the point, these werent good people and God had given them chance after chance to change their ways. im sure if we took a visit to Sodom or Gomora we really wouldnt have considered them pleasant places. you can say what you want about OT, my faith is based on the teachings of Christ and i only acknowledge OT for its occasional purpose of foreshadowing the coming of Jesus, not too say i disagree with everything in there but im sure youll agree alot in there is outdated and often made up of pro-Jewish historical rhetoric.
    so Danimal all of a sudden you are “anti-religion”? What you said on August 3 seemed to identify yourself as quite different, which ones a lie? look. i saw some statistics in an SOR class that had of the world population something like 14% were non-religious. i get that theres a difference between being Atheistic and non-religious (that didnt include “other” by the way it was represented seperately) for your point of Christians oppressing people without religion as a minority i dont think it would be fair to only include Atheists. Christians were represented more, i think it was somewhere below 30 or 40 percent but still 14% isnt a tiny minority, sure thats in a worldwide perspective but from my viewpoint in an ever advancing world in terms of science and tolerance i dont thing the non-religious are opressed very much at all, certainly not as much nor as harshly as other social groups. A lot of this discussion has revolved around the fact that the actions of the church cannot always be directly attributed to God and to blame the contemporary church for the crusades or witch hunts is probably as off (if not more so) as blaming the current German government for the Holocaust.
    Gordon when i read that verse i see it as a caution to Christians that there will be conflict over theyre faith, and a reminder that God must always be first and foremost in their lives. i must admit it could be worded better but to say Jesus wasn’t a promoter of peace is misinformed and incorrect no matter what perspective, objective or subjective, you look at it from. just out of curiosity, if Stalin was at the school on a scholarship then how why could he not afford school fees? and Pol Pot incorporated some aspects of Theravada into his policies to justify some deviations from standard Marxism, as a Marxist he was an Athiest and millions of people were murdered in the Khmer Rouge fo having faith, just as in Stalinism, neither were religious but like i said i dont blame Atheism for these events because they were the work of corrupted individuals.
    Zoro good on you, its an interesting alternative to practice but why should i not be offended by some of the things i see on the site? like ive said before, i agree that ID should be kept out of the science class. But if you believe so strongly in evryone having rights to their own opinions then how can you condone FSM making a cop out of oranized religion? FSM sees religion and they disagree with it and put their opinion forward, how am i any different by seeing what FSM says and disagreeing with it then putting my opinion forward. its a bit of a double standard to say im not allowed to defend my faith when it is challenged. if i were you i would take a good hard look at the principles of FSM because im sure a lot of them condemn your own religion.
    sorry to dissapoint you by coming back, and if its any consolation i actually havent even been to church in the past few weeks, in fact i havent had any discussions with people from my church (or faith for that matter) about my posts. anyway, your prayers are appreciated and rest assured that im doing likewise.
    should i sign off as OHGYS or Vuvuzela? your house, you tell me.

    Vuvuzela

    Where to start? lets start at the top,

    Your view of the OT in relation to your faith.- “lots of stories in OT could, like you say, just be mythology” & “and i only acknowledge OT for its occasional purpose of foreshadowing the coming of Jesus”

    • Why is the NT flawless (as you have previously claimed) but the OT not?
    • Could not the prophases of Jesus in the OT be “mythology”?
    • How can any document that is 350 after the fact be accurate? Not to mention it continued to be altered up to 750 years after the fact.

    Talking about something you have no knowledge off – “Sodom or Gomora we really wouldnt have considered them pleasant places”

    • How do you know? Worth noting that biblical accounts of Babylon are nothing like historical accounts.
    • Why is there no evidence of these cities (we know quite a lot about that area during that time)
    • How come Sodom is a derivative of the Hebrew word for “scorched” and Gomorrah is from the Hebrew ‘amar, meaning “a ruined heap, Hebrew pre dating S&G.

    Your poor maths – “14% isnt a tiny minority” – “i dont thing the non-religious are opressed very much at all”

    • It’s a minority never the less and we have discuses the issue of the religious pushing their views in to schools & law.
    • Example – http://www.dailyexpress.co.uk/posts/view/193508/Former-Lord-Chancellor-says-Use-Bible-to-judge-crooks-

    You rose tinted glasses – “i must admit it could be worded better but to say Jesus wasn’t a promoter of peace is misinformed and incorrect no matter what perspective”

    • It’s wording was quite clear – worship me or else! Sorry my family come first! Also why does he threaten to kill Jezebel’s children and “cast her on a bed of suffering” because her teachings are different to his?

    What? – “double standard to say im not allowed to defend my faith when it is challenged”

    • No one challenged your personal faith, you came here and we defended yourselves against your outrages claims that your religion is the only correct one!
    • Are you now going to go to all the other faiths that contradict yours and “defend my faith”

    Marxism and Faith

    • This is a different subject, as religion has undue power in a government anyone that wants absolute power will need to remove any competing voices which is why Stalin tried to resurrect the church with his own people until they turned on him.

    RAmen
    Gordon

    • Drained and Washed Clean says:

      “I don’t think atheists are a minority and i dont see alot of force being imposed on them by Christians. maybe i did misunderstand the definition a little but still i dont think atheists are ever cast that way.”

      “Yes, religion and politics do mix. America is a nation based on biblical principles. Christian values dominate our government. The test of those values is the Bible. Politicians who do not use the bible to guide their public and private lives do not belong in office.”
      – Beverly LaHaye (Concerned Women for America)

      “Behind this judicial wall of separation there is a tyranny of lies that will fall… I say to you, my friends, let it fall!”
      – Fob James (Governor of Alabama)

      “The long-term goal of Christians in politics should be to gain exclusive control over the franchise. Those who refuse to submit publicly to the eternal sanctions of God by submitting to His Church’s public marks of the covenant–baptism and holy communion–must be denied citizenship.”
      – Gary North (Institute for Christian Economics)

      “I don’t know that atheists should be considered citizens, nor should they be considered patriots. This is one nation under God.”
      – George Bush Sr. (President of the United States)

      “The Christian community has a golden opportunity to train an army of dedicated teachers who can invade the public school classrooms and use them to influence the nation for Christ.”
      – James Kennedy (Center for Reclaiming America)

      “Those who control the access to the minds of children will set the agenda for the future of the nation and the future of the western world.”
      – Dr. James Dobson (Focus on the Family)

      “If you’re not a born-again Christian, you’re a failure as a human being.”
      – Jerry Falwell

      “Civilized people – Muslims, Christians, and Jews – all understand that the source of freedom and human dignity is the Creator.”
      – John Ashcroft (Attorney General)

      “Our culture is superior. Our culture is superior because our religion is Christianity and that is the truth that makes men free.”
      – Pat Buchanan (Presidental Candidate)

      “Your tax dollars are being used to pay for grade-school classes that teach our children that cannibalism, wife-swapping and murder of infants and the elderly are acceptable behavior.”
      – Jesse Helms (Senator; NC)

      “Atheistic secular humanists should be removed from office and Christians should be elected…Government and true Christianity are inseparable.”
      – Robert Simonds (Citizens for Excellence in Education)

      “The ‘wall of separation between church and state’ is a metaphor based on bad history, a metaphor which has proved useless as a guide to judging. It should be frankly and explicitly abandoned.”
      – William Rehnquist (Chief Justice of the United States Supreme Court)

      Now go around asking regular Christians what they think of atheists place in society. Prominent American citizens hold these opinions and you say we don’t have a lot forced on us by Christians? Are you out of your mind? You, again, are unwilling to look at any point of view other than your own.

      And according to every pole I have seen, the population of America that claims atheism is less than 1%. The population of non-religious seems to be less than 20%. Then there are approx 80%+ have some sort of religious affiliation. In the world of mathematics that is an atheist minority.

      And Gordon, I think everything you just said has already been said in some way or another. He will continue to make the same arguments in different ways, we will keep rebutting with the same (and more) evidence, logic, and fact. It will not matter. He is intolerant of everyone except those with his own beliefs and sexual orientation. I find it pointless to argue with a close-minded bigot.

      • Atsap Revol says:

        Oh, my Dear FSM, he’s B-A-A-A-A-CK.

        Good post, D&WC. You assembled a list of bigot’s quotes that clearly show the oppression that a “non-religious” person faces in America. And you are right, this idiot, Vuvuzela/HGYS/ohaiguys, is an intolerant ass who will bullshit his way around any cogent point we make.
        -
        Gordon, you have provided again-and-again points that Vuvuzela ignores or twists to suit his biased, self-centered view of himself and HIS Christianity as the hub of the universe. I capitalized HIS because HIS conception of Christianity is far from typical. We could go on indefinitely responding to his posts, but I think he is like a clock…anything we say just winds his spring to release another round of his nonsense.
        -
        He obviously gains satisfaction from the attention we have given him. If we ignore him, I think he will go away. That at least will be my policy from now on.
        -
        Atsap Revol

        • Alchemist says:

          I know that wasn’t aimed at me but I’m in the neighbourhood and feel like sharing…Pasta Lover – taunt them! Seriously, you need people to argue with.
          Just my 2 penneth worth

        • Atsap Revol says:

          Alchemist, you can take over on this nutcase then. I’ve taunted and teased too many keystrokes on this idiot.

      • Gordon_UK says:

        D&WC & Atsap Revol

        Maybe I am being a bit optimistic in hoping that he would see how bigoted he was being, unfortunately he hasn’t even picked up that he been contradicting himself so maybe your right and there is no hope for him.

        One thing I always find funny is the more Christians follow the letter of the bible the further away they end up from what they claim is the sprite of their religion.

        RAmen

        Gordon

  2. ohaiguys says:

    well i gotta say i agree with Danimal this has just gotten stupid. i suppose when any views that conflict as much as our own anyone could be guilty of just getting self righteous and ignorant of a point being made, i suppose i probably have done this a couple of times but i hope you recognize that you guys arent innocent on that account either. and yeah, this discussion has reached a point of futility and i have just as little interest in being ganged up on by a brick wall of atheism. ive never criticised you for your views so i dont know why you think im bigoted. it sucks that youre opinion of me has been lowered although to be honest its become clear to me that your earlier posts were just farces of respecting my views, im not angry man, im just disapointed. however i like you Danimal, you dont believe what you believe for no reason unlike alot of atheists i come into contact with. im not planning on making any more extended responses her unless i think to cruise by any time soon so id better wish you well before i head out, just take it easy on the Christians most of us mean well.
    and when i say “most of us” i dont mean those westboro baptist church motherfuckers and theyre kind who think they can take the word of God to fuel their own bigotries. ive been meaning to say this for a while but the chance hasnt arisen yet so ill just get it out the way. when i see a sign that says “god hates fags” or “homos go to hell” on it rest assured i find it far more repulsive and twisted than any of you becuase thats my faith and my God theyre tarnishing up there and its not even true. God loves everyone and he tells us to do likewise, so if a Christian ever tells you that they hate anyone on religious grounds consider this written permission to run your mouth of at them till your blue in the face because i would too.

    im not going to lie i only gave a skim read of those last statements and pretty much what i have to say is i already admitted that some of the stories in OT are probably mythology or natural disasters that tribal Hebrews attributed to God so why push the point? Gordon, you and everyone else have told me my views are wrong, ludicrous and ignorant SO SO many times, dont pretend you havent and dont pretend ive implied that your stupid for holding your views, if you think i have done so then you misunderstood what i said or i wasnt clear in what i said because i just dont think you are stupid at all, and sure i think my faith is the only true one, just like you think your faith is the only true one however unlike some people i dont see that as reason to find some kind of high ground over people who dont agree, if you think i have tried to find a high ground at any point then im very sorry. and my faith doesnt exclusivley consider life as “scring points” for God, check out Romans 3:22 and 3:28.

    thats a pretty specifically selected collection of quotes from, as Atsap quite rightly pointed out, bigots whose views i do not agree with and hence see no point in defending.

    anyway, now that Danimals out and Drained Washed is back (ill have to be honest) ive lost the interest in this discussion. i might pop back in a little while but some parting words: Atsap, you cant go around pointing the bigot finger at people when the best point you have is some lame OT references and bad spelling, which if you had been paying attention you would have noticed Gordon and i had mutually excused. i liked the discussion with Gordon and Danimal because they made points, not criticisms i get your just trying to have a bit of fun here but i dont appreciate being trolled for my religion, i think its fair to say that youve displayed alot more disrepect than me in this thread.

    well FSM, good luck with your core goal, just remember though that that goal is to catch out those of faith you screw it up along the way and try not to let innocent bystanders like Alfonse cop too much of the flak, most Christians are good people so why address the faith as a whole for the failings of the few?
    happy sailing chaps
    Vuvuzuela

  3. Gordon_UK says:

    Ohaiguys

    Just in case you do pop back, you mentioned that Stephen Hawking as said that there is room for a divine creator i.e. a god, I believe making reference to his book ‘A Brief History Of Time’ where he said: “If we discover a complete theory, it would be the ultimate triumph of human reason – for then we should know the mind of God.”

    How do feel that he now says in his new book ‘The Grand Design’

    “Because there is a law such as gravity, the universe can and will create itself from nothing,” he writes. “Spontaneous creation is the reason there is something rather than nothing, why the universe exists, why we exist.
    “It is not necessary to invoke God to light the blue touch paper and set the universe going.”

    what’s your view on this?

    Gordon

    • H.P.Lovecraft says:

      Gordon,

      Let’s not lament the departure of ohaiguys. Sure he was fun for a while, but his endless, mindless verbosity got to be like listening to “It’s a Small, Small World” for the thousandth time.

      Atsap

      • Gordon_UK says:

        Hi Atsap (like the new name)

        I am genuinely interested in what his view would be, when you take in to account that Stephen Hawking has previously said that there is room for a god in the creation of the universe. Even quite recently on a Channel 4′s ‘Genius of Britain’ he was berating Richard Dawkins over excluding the possibility of a god in any theory of life.

        So as his view has been quite open on the possibility of a god his findings have more weight rather then someone like Dawkins. In other words if Hawking says there is now no place for a god in the creation of the universe you have to listen even if you are a theist.

        G

        • Drained and Washed Clean says:

          I am just glad I am named as a reason for him leaving :D I’m so proud!

  4. ohaiguys says:

    Hi guys! you miss me?
    Gordon ill try and look into that it sounds interesting but from whaat im reading it still looks like a theory grounded on the idea of spontaneous creation, as a theist its an idea ive never seen a need to expand on or delve into because i believe nothing is spontaneous or without reason or cause. of course im just going off what youve wrote. Lets not forget either that Hawkins was never religious as such (granted he carried an open mind, but it wasnt a huge lep of faith for him to write that).

    and Drained Washed and Clean ive said it before ill say it again grow up.
    Vuvu

    • Atsap Revol says:

      “It’s a amall, small world; it’s a small, small world; it’s a small, small world; it’s a small, small world; it’s a small, small world; it’s a small, small world; it’s a small world after all.” (Key of C, Repeat 100X)

      Just thought I’d insert that to provide a little entertainment after your boring return to our website. At least your post was mercifully short, although as poorly spelled and written as ever. You once stated that you were a student in a Catholic school (though not a Catholic). Catholic schools generally have high academic standards. How can you get passing grades in a Catholic school with your illiterate mangling of the English language?

      Oh, I know. You’ll think I’m nitpicking, but Noodlity (see the following posts) has covered your failure to use logic and facts so well that there was nothing I could add.

      Welcome back, you dolt.
      Atsap

    • Gordon_UK says:

      Ohaiguys

      You never fail to amuse me, “nothing is spontaneous or without reason or cause”. As I have said before would this not also include your god, that’s right you believe he has been around since the start of time and started the universe despite the fact that time it’s self is a component of the universe and did not exist before the universe creation.

      Gordon

    • Drained and Washed Clean says:

      Grown ups keep their word and go away when they say they are going to. Those who are grown up don’t have temper tantrums when others don’t agree with them. Think you better look in a mirror on that one.

  5. Noodlity (formerly Pasta) says:

    Good Gravy, there are more walls of text here that at a “STAR WARS vs Star Trek” forum!

    Rather than build one of my own, I’ll just use my newly patented method – the “no” technique. Now, from the top:

    Dear ohaiguys,

    While I’m sure that your grasp of history is all but flawless, even without any evidence, just by skimming over your comments; while I’m more than convinced that the established laws of physics will somehow conform to your beliefs; and while I’m certain that fallacies and circular logic simple cease to be, when it is you who uses them; there is just one thing I need to rebuke everything you’ve got:

    No.

    It’s that easy.

    You see, nothing one ever *says* will hold much water, as long as what they actually *do* doesn’t live up to it. And this extends to every church, every religion, including ours, politics in general etc.

    On the Internet, of course, there’s a corollary – you can still grab someone’s attention, even sway their views, as long as what you say is interesting, easy to follow, and at least mildly humorous.

    Now then, since what *you* do is virtually nothing, and since what you say is boring, eye-straining, and dull, all I have to do, is simply say “No” , and all you could muster suddenly becomes void. Just like that.

    • Mr Cooper (all hail FSM) says:

      star trek is better, i couldnt be arsed to read the rest of your comment sorry

      • ohaiguys says:

        well put, bravo
        took me a while to realise that and thats pretty much why i stopped posting.

        • Gordon_UK says:

          And now I thought it was that your circular logic was getting the better of you.

  6. Noodlity says:

    I prefer to split my comments when I’ve made one point adn am switching to another. It’s easier to read, I hope.

    You see, organized religion was never the self-perpetuating monstrocity its adherents like to believe. There was never a need to “believe” , or to have a melodramatic source of “hope” or “faith” etc. Fairy-tales and superstitions cover that just fine.

    In order to have something *organized* , however, and especially to have it *stay* that way, you need power. As in, political power. As Henry VIII can attest, in reality the church is more dependent on the state than the other way around. Once, religion was useful to keep the public’s attention occupied, and to deflect or subvert inconvenient questions. However, as other forms of entertainment have become more accessible, the state’s power has turned to them, leaving priests and preachers on their own. And, since most of them are neither entertaining, nor have any power independant of their clerical rank, I guess we’ll be seeing less and less of them in the future.

    Our religion, on the other hand, *is* entertaining – most people like spagheti and swashbuckilng pirates, and everyone likes holidays. In one shape or another, we’re here to stay.

    In short, remember this: the saying goes “bread and circuses” , not “bread and churches”.

    RAmen.

    • ohaiguys says:

      no

  7. Donita Odom says:

    Very informative!

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