This site is frustrating because these “pastafarians” just use this mock religion to bash on everyone else’s beliefs. there are pieces in the Bible that seem absurd… talking animals, reanimated corpses, the ground opening up and swallowing people, etc. but nothing that takes THIS great a leap in logic. God isn’t a “bearded man on a cloud” He’s the creative force in this universe. hell isn’t a place where you can “chill with friends, but boy is it hot in here”… hell is a place reserved for Satan, and the people who he deceives into following him there. don’t take all this as “shoving my religion down your throat” take it as a clarification of some misunderstandings some pastafarians seem to have about Christianity. the obvious point behind this website is to say “hey you believe in God without proof, well we believe in noodles, and since they already exist, that counts as proof”… well basically, it’s not proof people should look for in spirituality… it’s doctrine. pastafarian doctrine is an obvious farce. the Bible has integrity. where all these other “religious books” fall short, the Bible stands firm. you guys couldn’t even come up with an original name… it had to be ripped off from the Rastafarians… give the Bible a try, an honest try.
Peace and Love for my fellow humans,
Joe
Joe,
You know, someone who misses a point, fails to follow directions, and has no logical reasoning skills really is a waste of time.
You speak of what you do not know. The bible is full of contradictions, your god is a complete logical fallacy, and the ideas you have about your religion don’t even come from the bible.
Ignorance is completely frustrating, and the fact that you are making blanket assumptions about how we came to this belief is insulting. Unlike you, we actually have read the bible. We understand the contradictions in your religious book. We understand the judgment and hate that your “god” possesses. We also understand that you have done nothing to learn more about your faith other than bleat like a sheep and accept everything that people around you tell you.
When you are ready to have an actual discussion about the matter please come back. Until that point, keep your assumptions and your shoving (yes, you are shoving and it is annoying) to yourself. Unless you would like me to come to your church and do the same that you have done here. If so, go ahead and give me the name and address of your local church so I can come in and tell the congregation how ridiculous their beliefs are to me. Then you can post all the hatemail you want.
“This site is frustrating because these “pastafarians” just use this mock religion to bash on everyone else’s beliefs.”
Christianity has mocked other religions since Roman times. Entire cultures were destroyed because their belief was different, I find that much more frustrating.
“There are pieces in the Bible that seem absurd… talking animals, reanimated corpses, the ground opening up and swallowing people, etc. but nothing that takes THIS great a leap in logic.”
Most of those parts were not even originally part of the bible, many myths were stolen from older civilizations and “adapted”.
“God isn’t a “bearded man on a cloud” He’s the creative force in this universe.”
By that definition you should be Hindu. Additionally a creative force does not require being a sentient entity. hell isn’t a place where you can “chill with friends, but boy is it hot in here”… hell is a place reserved for Satan, and the people who he deceives into following him there.”
Satan, if we follow the tradition, was an archangel, created by god. In fact he was the most beautiful of all archangels according to the tradition, after he fell he became Satan. Now here is the problem, if god created Lucifer, and Lucifer became Satan, then God created evil, since Satan is the one that tempts man (and this is part of the Genesis) as a Snake, therefore, the guilty of man fall, is god himself. Just take your own conclusions.
“don’t take all this as “shoving my religion down your throat” take it as a clarification of some misunderstandings some pastafarians seem to have about Christianity. the obvious point behind this website is to say “hey you believe in God without proof, well we believe in noodles, and since they already exist, that counts as proof”… well basically, it’s not proof people should look for in spirituality… it’s doctrine.”
The problem is that religious people is constantly attempting to “convert” other people, or teach “the good path” to the unbelievers. An invasion of religion in an academic environment is a terrible step back. Many universities during the dark ages had religious control over the teachings allowed. Do I need to tell you all that was lost because some guy tried to guide people to “the good path?”. By the way, the Nazi Ideology was also a doctrine…
pastafarian doctrine is an obvious farce. the Bible has integrity. where all these other “religious books” fall short, the Bible stands firm. you guys couldn’t even come up with an original name… it had to be ripped off from the Rastafarians… give the Bible a try, an honest try.
You missed the point here. The bible does not have integrity, since it was edited more than once, books were taken from it, entire gospels in fact, to fit the “doctrine” that you know now. It is curious how you say pastafarians ripped off its beliefs when the bible, as I said before, has taken many legends and stories from older sources (Egyptian, Greek, Sumerian, Persian, etc). About the given the Bible a try, I have given it a try, but I kept my mind open enough to read about other beliefs. If you think I am lying, go and look for the story of Gilgamesh, an ancient Sumerian hero, then look at Noah’s story once more.
Do you have any idea how many Bibles it takes to boil a pot of spaghetti?
Genious!!!! This ought to be a supported sloagan.
@51
Only one. You open the bible, read any passage at random, and the pot becomes so angry at what it hears that is boils itself
*51. Only one. Just like the hate mailers who continually quote it, the bible is immensely thick.
hello, i think that people should believe in any thing they want to. if it works for them, then why not?
its not up to anyone else to judge that they should or shouldnt believe in this.
Lornaa
But you couldn’t be more wrong. Somethings, no matter how much you believe, are not right. They are incapable of being right, and logical (ie, scientific method, which is not pro-science anti-religion but pro-testing anti-faith) conclusions will ALWAYS find them false. the problem is logic is not taught in religions; it can’t be, for to question the faith would be to undermine the absolute power of the authority in place; it is dogmatic. You cannot question it, because it is above your reason. (“It is also written: Do not put the Lord your God to the test.” Matthew 4:7′) How can we know if we cannot test? If its true, wouldn’t it stand up to the test? We should just accept what we are told?
this BULLSHIT undermines the genius of man. god never told us about gravity, relativity, internal combustion, penicillin, brain surgery, physics, chemistry or even the human anatomy. Man had to work hard to discover these things, often against the will of the church. Religion attempts to lower his nature and make it shameful and undesirable, thus man should embrace the faith because it is the truth. it doesn’t allow man to prove, to himself, the faith is truth. faith, untested and unproven (ie, when i fall backward someone catches me because I’ve done it before) in and of itself, is evil. It’s the easiest way to BE deceived, because you do not question.
It isn’t right to let people live in dream worlds, especially when the actions that come from that belief negatively effect the wellbeing of another human being. And how much more psychologically damaging is it to teach children they will burn in hell forever for their human nature? I’d much rather learn my social lessons through fairytales like Hansel and Gretel or Little Red Riding hood…
Someone has to judge people’s beliefs because beliefs are dangerous. They need to be justified, and its time an authority with a voice on this earth stepped up. beliefs lead to wars, genocide, greed, abuse, murder and suffering. Your damn right they need to be judged!
THAT is where you are wrong.
Take away religion, and people will use race as an excuse for their hate. Or sexuality, or even eyecolor.
It’s just used as an excuse.
Maybe if we were called the human collective or human cooperative instead of the human race this would accomplish something better.
Interests separate people and perceptions. Including disinterest and misperceptions.
People are looking for a reason to feel superior, that’s all. Oh, you’re a ?? Well, I”M a ….!!
What a fine …..you are.
I don’t know what it is really.
Fill in the blanks, Olio. It could be a religion, ethnicity, political persuasion, or football club affiliation.
I understood theFew the Proud, just doubt superiority has got much to do with it. And that last bit about a contest. Thank you for helping to illustrate these points. Categorizing. Such as what insurance companies do with clients. I understand.
People categorize themselves. Affiliation gives them security and a sense of worth, if not love. It could be a religion, or it could be a motorcycle gang.
Safety in numbers is what I believe you are referring to- and group mentality as well as group loyalty comes into factor. People do not always affiliate themselves. Being born into a group breeds a familiarity and affinity probably. People become unwilling members of groups.- like becoming ill joins one with other patients which may never meet, but still a group. There are hierarchies and authority figures in certain groups. I don’t see that love and acceptance characterize every group. Systems are groups. The military, federal government for example matching this criteria. City council. The PTA. Various charity organizations. Common goals join persons together in groups. Then there’s the FSM…a group formed to defend against certain ideas and present and support a different counter set of ideas.
Now are we talking King James or New English? Cause I’ve heard it only takes 1 King James to boil 24 oz of spaghetti, but 3 New English.
Um…probably about 57 KJ New Testament Versions.
@Joe
Actually, Christianity is based on judaism, just as islam is; they’re not called Abrahamic religions for nothing. From there comes the “invisible man in the sky” idea, not from us. Check genesis.
Hell is not a nice place to spend a vacation, if it exists, but even if that is the case i prefer it to the idea of vicarious sacrifice, let alone the atrocities in the old testament, or the law that Jesus justifies.
Personally i carry my own weight. If i mess up something, is fixed as soon as possible, with compensations for every inconvenience caused, concession that no christian have ever had with me, except if the said christian is part of my family. Otherwise they keep the old idea of stoning people, it’s just that two thirds of them do not use rocks, but blackened words, social and laboral backstabbing, among other such niceties. Not just that, often agnostics are also seen as target practice (Honestly, is this moral?).
This is not a true scotsman fallacy, not a thing that a “true christian would not do” because 19 of 20 do it. Right now you were refraining from doing so with all your might, and only succeded mildly. The bible in fact justifies their actions (as does yours in underestimating us), and every gentle intepretation of it is likely ignoring the ugly passages by some subjective criteria, or twisting them to fit their explanation.
The bible then is not firm, but enables circular logic. Just as every other sacred text do.
The line “shoving my religion down your throat” is a VERY real issue, creationism showing tenfold how much are some christians willing to push their beliefs unto others; not for any kind of “love”, but because of hatred, ignorance, and fear. Everywhere you see “god”, and “design” and “DNA blueprints”; “nostradamus”, just to name a few that move along the media, many times.
Tell me; Aren’t you tired of being afraid, tired of others trying to shove their version of Jesus down your throat too? You should be. If you came from a degree on pollitical analysis, or linguistics, you should know how much they have written on you or me without permission, how much evil they have brought to humanity by proclaiming the unknownable as holy, and themselves as the only experts on that area. Its not about symphaty or representation of any kind, It is a process of wording honed to control the masses, using their fears and emotions to support the most ridiculous claims ever made. “Beware the leader who bangs the drums of war…”
-Just as much as the one that claims to be holy (Ted Haggard for example). –
I’ve read the bible a couple of times, honestly and wholeheartedly, the same as most of my books, as i’ve allways found wisdom in them. When you see it as an epic poem, both old and new testament, and take in consideration the production context, you can see literary value, maybe anthropological value; but nothing more. If you would like to believe in a benevolent deity, good for you; but remember, hate mail section is filled up with many people that tried desperately to equal that belief with ultimate goodness, and ironically, were evil at doing so; by the way they did it. (If this website frustrates you, then your path of enlightment may need reexamination)
At least rastafarians, with every flaw they had, were peaceful people, and yes, this is a satire; yet it has earned its own identity, one of freedom, and goodwill towards humanity. Religion should emulate part of it, and do it right away; before someone pushes the red button, you know…
I’d like people to actually read at least the open letter, put careful thought on it for a period of time, let’s say 24 hours or so; consider if they would like biologists explaining abiogenesis in their church, then come here to tell us why should their religion (among all others) should be taught in school classrooms; and how “offended” they feel about the site. That would be a nice change.
However, if they did it, hate mail section would not be necessary, as it would be more along the lines of civilized discussion.
Peace of mind to you all (including Joe); and please forgive my poor use of english.
X.