I don’t know if you realize just how offensive this is

Published April 19th, 2010 by Bobby Henderson

I don’t know if you realize just how offensive this letter is. Obviously, it’s satirical and some may think “clever,” but mockery is never wise.

I’ve never been able to understand why it is that those who call themselves “atheist,” “agnostic,” or whatever other label they wish can’t see that, in all reality, intelligent design (or rather a relationship with Christ) is the more intelligent route. If we (Christians) are wrong, then who cares? Nothing will happen to us because there is no after life, no higher power, no second death, but at least we lived a life worthy of something. We had something to look forward to, and hey, if it isn’t true then we’ll never know cause we’ll be DEAD. On the other hand, if Christians are right, those self-proclaimed atheists (etc) are pretty much screwed. What did you live for? Advancement of human life? By what? Living for yourself; living according to your own standards. In my opinion, your religion (yes, atheism is a religion) is selfish and irresponsible. The only reason you don’t want to admit that there may just be a higher power is because you don’t want to answer to it. You don’t want to have to change your lifestyle; to live according to HIS standards.

I’m so sorry that you feel this way. I pray for people like you each and every night. I pray that God will hit you over the head with some sense and knock you to your knees.

And FYI: Intelligent design has just as much (if not more) merit as the evolutionary theory. Evolution is a theory: it hasn’t been proven. There may seem to be evidence, but you may be forgetting one minor detail: care to explain how the first cell appeared? Where it all began? Good luck because, unfortunately for you, even if there isn’t “overwhelming evidence” that there is a God, we Christians will have lived a fuller life knowing and believing that we have been saved by the power of Christ’s sacrifice on the cross. We are loved far greater than we can comprehend. And guess what, so are you. God loves you, even if you don’t know that yet.

-Carly



568 Responses to “I don’t know if you realize just how offensive this is”

  1. Orendeus says:

    Religion and Science both have faith at it’s core: beyond a certain point, both make leaps of faith (eureka/epiphany) after which one spends most of ones life trying to prove (or justify), with various other peoples theories, the magnificence of the initial understanding.

    Anyone intelligent, who would take anything from FSM seriously, would have to note the marked lack of allegory, which, one would presume, is important when satirizing Institutions which are built entirely upon it. One could suppose that poorly understood theories (such as big bang and Darwinism) replace the regurgitated and ill understood doctrine of various religions, but I believe that to be a coincidence.

    Educational institutions tend to be places of indoctrination: it is the parents responsibility to either insure that their child is in a true place of Learning; or to insure that a child understands that the entire sum of human knowledge is based on guesswork, and is thus likely to be proven incorrect in some major way, however without which, a more correct answer could not have been devised… without innate/divine knowledge.

    Which leads me to… what if one believes that religion is a shortcut to knowledge, couched in a mysticism, from the Divine. The answers which scientists often come by through scientific method and many erroneous theories, may prove to have been written in a book long before “the method” used could, with any probability, have discovered it. The practicality of investigating ID (which is really poorly explained allegory of creationism) seams evident, in light of the shortness of time.

    I do enjoy the irreverence of FSM; it indicates to me that there are some people that are not fools; not that I am stating that irreverence is inversely proportional to foolishness, nor am I basing a religion upon it.

    *wink*

    Perhaps this post could be published as a separate concern from which it originated.

    Thanks.

    • stylusmobilus says:

      Science does not have faith at its core at all. No true scientist uses faith to believe in any theory; they remain unproven until repeatedly tested. No ‘leap of faith’ is ever made in science, certain indicators lead scientists to form theories, and these are either proven or unproven.

      The only things intelligent people take from FSMism is that it is satire at its absolute finest, and that it is every bit as believable as any other ‘religion’. The Big Bang theory may be poorly understood but Darwin’s theories are very well understood by most if not all scientists. It is no coincidence that these theories replace religious doctrine as these theories are, like all scientific theories, based on proven facts and religious doctrine on blind faith.

      Educational institutions become places of indocrination because narrow minded governments or people in positions of authority allow religious fools to interfere with the role of schools, which is and should be only to educate students in literature, mathematics and scientific fact. It is not the role of a parent to find an institution that does this, rather, it is the role of our educators and governments as a whole to ensure they all do. The sum of human knowledge is not based on guesswork- that is why we have science, mathematics, history and literature. Religion is based on guesswork.

      If the book you refer to in your fourth paragraph happens to be the Buybull, Koran or Torah then it is very highly unlikely that scientific answers will come from them. There is no practicality in investigating ID, it is a complete load of rubbish.

      Think I can smell a lot of pot and incense…

    • theFewtheProudtheMarinara says:

      If one believes that religion is a shortcut to knowledge, they are headed down the wrong path. Religion is a substitute for knowledge. Rather than tax their intellect understanding the world they claim their god lives outside it. Fine – keep him there. Don’t then try to sneak in the back door and replace science with absurdities like Creationism.

      In the original post, Carly wrote “care to explain how the first cell appeared?” which is the wrong question. It should have been “care to explain how the first ATOM appeared?”. Hey, I can’t answer that, but unlike the snakeoil salesmen of the church, I don’t pretend to.

      The odds of matter beginning to exist are probably astronomical. Multiply that number by another HUGE one to come up with an evolved omnipotent being. Then multiply those odds by another impossibly HUGE number to come up with the only thing which had no beginning. That would be the god of the Creationists.

    • Atsap Revol says:

      Orendeus, churches are places of indoctrination, true educational institutions are not. Those that want to expose their children to unsupportable dogma have plenty of opportunities: parochial schools, sunday school, and home schooling. Choose freely from those “wonderful” sources of education, but please keep your damn ID/Creationism out of our public schools.

      AR

      • nun sequitur says:

        any1 here ever experience an unexplained event best fitting definition of paranormal? I ask this because have had some people use this as a starting point 2 argue god exists. ALSO, regarding posts calling all theists uneducated, 1 of the people we know of has his masters or phd in psychology by now…so calling all fundamental believers uneducated not accurate…& the head games from he & his wife: very intricate.

        • stylusmobilus says:

          I doubt if too many of us call them ‘uneducated’ until they prove it with poor grammar or the like. But I can tell you that a lot of us are astounded as to how seemingly intelligent and educated people accept without argument fabricated stories that are no more than fairy tales as unequivocal truth.

        • nun sequitur says:

          Stylus mobius ‘i doubt if too many…call them uneducated until…’

          yah, i realize this. it was not intended 2 assault comments (my comment), just pointing that out ( my husband just stated that maybe these r not the people writing in…); i know also 4 example, people have learning issues- my husband is affected by, (some term it) dyslexia…among other things…it had hampered him in his educational goals..& impacts how he expresses himself, ably. we all have our issues…but with that, would add, i read him some of the responses & letters, here. I agree with him there is no need 4 the missives starting out ‘you’re a stupid ass’, your ‘religion is stupid’, so forth…2 his credit, he handles converion a ttempts better than i do, but as i explained 2 him, relying on others for pain relief places me in a more vulnerable position on everything, this one major issue.. i had a couple suggest i go get baptized, while i was in waiting room @ drs..regarding this & depression, several people have referred to exorcism..& have been told 2 pray 4 pain relief by medical professionals… was hinted 2 shut up about it now am being lied about. things r different, depending on circumstances, which i have been failing 2 convey. i cannot merely overlook these things as he does, when i m @ the ‘mercy’ of others. i find it distressing, on top of everything else…i m not unsupportive of all what has been said- tho i also hesitate 2 say certain things here 4 fear of being considered traiterous or, ,,as i alluded 2 in another post, as others have intimated going in certain directions equals: ‘crazy’…anyway…i understand ur point.

        • nun sequitur says:

          Conversion attempts, that was s’posed 2 read…in prior post…among probably other typos..sorry.

        • nun sequitur says:

          & the funny thing stylus is, my husband immediately defends the point u just raised…he himself would b equally skewered (due 2 poor grammar), but 4 maybe, the sentiment which he tends ironically, 2 agree with u on…concerning this…& he, in spite of this, DID manage 2 obtain degrees marking achievement, ,,which were by accounts, hard fought & not in area of his preferrence. .he had wished 2 b a scientist. His seeming limitations prevented this. But he is not stupid by any stretch, merely challenged by some endeavors which come easily to others…my story similarly, but differently. maybe that is y i was seeming 2 ‘defend’ the ‘stupidity’? i have stated be4 i myself, not the brightest bulb in the pack, but am trying..in spite of this..2 comprehend. many things i can not grasp. the following from that guy’s site…sorry, ‘bloke’s’ site (!)

          (& do not fault any, 4 having the opinions i m seeming 2 ‘oppose’- i m not, just considering…not opposing!)

          Martin Heidegger: We come to know what it means to think when we ourselves try to think. If the attempt is to be successful,we must be ready to learn thinking. As soon as we allow ourselves to become involved in such learning, we have admitted that we are not yet capable of thinking.

          (What is called thinking?-Beginning)

    • Drained and Washed Clean says:

      Using fancy language does not make you smart. As obviously indicated by your post. Science is proven, not faith. May want to look up the definition of the smaller words you are using as to make sure you are using them accurately. Education is unbiased, as it is supposed to teach fact and truth, therefore the place least likely to become indoctrinated. Assuming that there needs to be divine knowledge in order to solve problems hints at your laziness to discover possibilities on your own.

      And we aren’t basing a religion on it either, but they are basing a religion on a zombie sky daddy on a stick… Why aren’t you going after them?

      • nun sequitur says:

        which post is drained & washed referring 2?

        • nun sequitur says:

          the letter…or the post

    • nun sequitur says:

      There r things which happen 2 people in this world, which affect people, not always fully comprehended, which create DIFFICULTIES learning…& parents cannot account 4 what they do not understand themselves, so not sure what is meant by some of these statements, by orendeus.

  2. nun sequitur says:

    ”pray that god will hit u over the head with some sense & knock u 2 your knees”

    says ‘carly’

    ???

    ever been abused, carly? i have been. that is y i do not condone frightful comments like yours. i am going 2 go read this letter u find so offensive…but know u have frightened me, 2day with this directive. if u believe in god, how about don’t play god; conjuring up violent intentions, wishing this on a person, any person, when there r enough people in positions of authority whom embody this ‘spirit’, & act accordingly…u fan fires of discouragement & oppression with this sentiment.

  3. nun sequitur says:

    here, carly is an informative article i came accross…do not pretend 2 fully comprehend it, but felt it may add a layer 2 the discussion pertaining to the ideas u & others present:

    http://www.braungardt.com/Physics/Vacuum%20Fluctuation.htm

    the only problem i c so far with the letter is, ,,many of my experiences, including injuries, r isolated incidents…that does not mean they
    did not happen & would prefer they had not, but there r plenty of persons whom would use the same argument against me- the inhherent premise that if nobody else but me & another party were there or just me, it must not have happened or, must b some other mitigating factor…to better explain matters (like having my depression blamed for physical pain perception- there r enough ‘scientific studies’ one can cite, this does not make it applicable- not in my case…WITH depression AND pain i traveled over 80 miles by pedal cycle, on my own ‘power’ & would not ever have willingly abandoned this form of exercise, or another former pursuit, running – by choice. ..these & other pursuits were practiced RELIGIOUSLY, by me); science succeeds in explaining many things otherwise poorly comprehended.
    i do think that without explaining basic tenets of religion, some historical referrences make not as complete sense…but added to this should b for example, if not courses, an overview on parapsychology, or referrences to it, made & not from a particular religious system of belief, but inclusive, if that is potential…i had ONE teacher early on whom contributed to thinking outside the box on this sort of topic & he undoubtedly influenced more than just little me (way more people)…& this can b the start, of many things.

    the letter u refer 2, carly, is a dialogue starter.

    • nun sequitur says:

      …& there r some brilliant people home schooling their kids. i would propose one reason for a rise in home schooling occurred, maybe in response to/ following rash of school shootings & copycat shootings, but that is just speculation on my part. ..

      & the note on interferrence from noodly appendage, THAT can b explained by computer hack/ interface capabilities…print, electronic stores of info, pertaining 2 me, both have been tinkered with- some records have gone missing from my place & not by me…so, THAT is part of potential issue with thousands year old documents as i c it- how many interests & hands had @ it, if it is accurate? what documents go missing, misinterpreted? by all accounts, did not human reps have the responsibility of collecting all the data…that being said,what if some of the prophets had auditory proccessing disorders or memory lapses? …

      • nun sequitur says:

        But i would trust carbon dating methods…

    • nun sequitur says:

      i would like 2 ad, the above site, when examined more closely, the sense this person conveys there literally brought me 2 tears…many reasons, 4 that perhaps. i think if u get nothing out of it, if u genuinely consider what is said, there, & still feel as u do, there is nothing 4 me 2 add..i m not trying 2 convertf u from your religion, or sway u from beliefs u hold, just wonder if u r as willing 2 consider this as the things u stated, carly…&/ or, whomever…

      Here it is, again, in case u missed it…

      http://www.braungardt.com/Physics/Vacuum%20Fluctuation.htm

      & incidentally i have no affiliation with this person other than, admiring his sensibility…he mentions quantum mechanics…which if i am not mistaken, is relative to the realm considered ‘para’ normal..

      my spouse shared a dream he had with me, which birthed the concept that ‘time is not linear’…while we had never discussed this, i have heard this concept, before…it was only a dream, but, the concept is as ‘real’ as your letter…so, my responding 2 it now, is maybe late, but not never…i had not known of this site, when u wrote in. i do not know if these letters r hit & run, but maybe if u read this…will take the TIME 2 explore these things. .

      jesus even gets mentioned on the site..look thru there.

  4. nun sequitur says:

    child abuse scandals by authority figures, bullying…in public schools…

    curriculum choices…learning enhancement…there r many reasons people choose home schooling…

    or enhanced public ed.

  5. nun sequitur says:

    there was more than 1 teacher that thought outside box…& addendum faculty. they were limited by curriculums & time constraints in part, but it came accross somehow that there was a lot more they had 2 teach. some of the best teachers r in our public school systems…& my guess @ home…

  6. nun sequitur says:

    & i c this was posted some time ago…but wanted 2 ad, 4 any1 agreeing with this, god is SUPER busy attending 2 all the prayers from abused parishoners of church whom never got 2 c any ‘justice’, (& really; what justice is there?), so was ‘carly’ planning on delivering this smackdown on her own, on BEHALF of god? i really hope not.
    I should hope god would have BETTER things to do…like PREVENTING abuses, maybe. Being omnipotent & all…

    • nun sequitur says:

      But since neither me NOR my spouse were ever baptized, god by some definitions, probably was not interested in protecting the DAMNED…& neither r many followers of this belief, evidently…

  7. Noodles says:

    wow you seem to have a very violent god…who loves hitting people on their head and knocking them off their knees :(

  8. BigbonedP from OZ says:

    Wow.
    Some people through their total ignorance and blind faith make me really angry.
    And this person makes me really angry.
    Sounds like the Big Bearded Guy still enjoys a touch of smiting still too. Amazing.
    Makes me wonder how Carly manages to clean her teeth at night with her head stuck so far up her arse.

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