I don’t know if you realize just how offensive this is

Published April 19th, 2010 by Bobby Henderson

I don’t know if you realize just how offensive this letter is. Obviously, it’s satirical and some may think “clever,” but mockery is never wise.

I’ve never been able to understand why it is that those who call themselves “atheist,” “agnostic,” or whatever other label they wish can’t see that, in all reality, intelligent design (or rather a relationship with Christ) is the more intelligent route. If we (Christians) are wrong, then who cares? Nothing will happen to us because there is no after life, no higher power, no second death, but at least we lived a life worthy of something. We had something to look forward to, and hey, if it isn’t true then we’ll never know cause we’ll be DEAD. On the other hand, if Christians are right, those self-proclaimed atheists (etc) are pretty much screwed. What did you live for? Advancement of human life? By what? Living for yourself; living according to your own standards. In my opinion, your religion (yes, atheism is a religion) is selfish and irresponsible. The only reason you don’t want to admit that there may just be a higher power is because you don’t want to answer to it. You don’t want to have to change your lifestyle; to live according to HIS standards.

I’m so sorry that you feel this way. I pray for people like you each and every night. I pray that God will hit you over the head with some sense and knock you to your knees.

And FYI: Intelligent design has just as much (if not more) merit as the evolutionary theory. Evolution is a theory: it hasn’t been proven. There may seem to be evidence, but you may be forgetting one minor detail: care to explain how the first cell appeared? Where it all began? Good luck because, unfortunately for you, even if there isn’t “overwhelming evidence” that there is a God, we Christians will have lived a fuller life knowing and believing that we have been saved by the power of Christ’s sacrifice on the cross. We are loved far greater than we can comprehend. And guess what, so are you. God loves you, even if you don’t know that yet.

-Carly



568 Responses to “I don’t know if you realize just how offensive this is”

  1. Reformed says:

    God loves you. Does that guilt you enough?
    No?
    um…what if I told you he died for you, too? lol

  2. Apprentice Frederic says:

    Carly,
    I’ve always loved the Gary Larson cartoon that depicts Colonel Sanders at the Gates of Heaven: rather than the customary statuary angels, the Gates are flanked by statues of chickens…. Although a little silly, it’s no sillier and far more refreshing than your assumption that Christianity is the only alternative to oblivion or your assumption that you and your sanctimonious fellows have a monopoly on righteousness of any sort, high ideals of any sort, or devotion to humanity of any sort. Christianity’s record did not end with Christ, and it has been a bit mixed down to the present instant, and it doesn’t seem to be any better in practice than, say, Buddhism or the “atheistic secular humanism” that you doubtless hold in such lofty contempt.

  3. Danimal says:

    So you’re saying the real reason to be a xtian is not because you have faith in Jesus Christ but instead is to just hedge your bets?
    Also, I did some reading in that bible thing, and if there is a god he WOULD hit me over the head, and that’s why I won’t worhip him.

  4. Barnacle Jayne says:

    Evolution is NOT “a theory.” It is a fact. Even if you believe the Earth is only 6000 years old, the science that species have evolved in that time according to the principals outlined by Darwin and others are irrefutable.

    The Origin of Species is a SCIENTIFIC theory. In everyday language, a *theory* means a hunch or speculation. Not so in science! The SCIENTIFIC METHOD is a body of rigorous techniques for investigating phenomena. That means gathering observable, empirical and measurable evidence subject to specific principles of reasoning.

    “If we (Christians) are wrong, then who cares?” I care! Because the consequences of your constant repudiating of SCIENCE is uneducated students, unfunded science programs that are vital to our country’s prosperity and health, and communities and individuals that live based on fear and superstition rather than reason. Your thinking is a danger to my country as well as to myself as an individual.

    You obviously don’t know how dangerous your thinking is. Christianity does NOT have to mean not believing in science — it’s so sad that you don’t understand that. Do you also think, as the Bible teachers, that the sun goes around the Earth?

  5. Sean Boyd says:

    Carly, you make an awful lot of assumptions about us which, aside from being overly general, don’t seem to have been given a lot of thought.

    Carly: I don’t know if you realize just how offensive this letter is. Obviously, it’s satirical and some may think “clever,” but mockery is never wise.
    Me: The purpose of that letter was to keep science where science belongs, and religion where religion belongs. The laws of this country mandate this. And since even the most prominent supporters of ID, like Behe, have admitted in court that their theory has yet to produce a single prediction that can be tested and verified, it is not a scientific theory. As such, it should not be taught in public classrooms. THAT is the point of the letter.

    C: I’ve never been able to understand why it is that those who call themselves “atheist,” “agnostic,” or whatever other label they wish can’t see that, in all reality, intelligent design (or rather a relationship with Christ) is the more intelligent route.
    M: Well, I don’t see it as the more intelligent route. The story of Christ has been retold over and over, in various forms and guises, throughout the history of human civilization. For instance, the Egyptian god Osiris was resurrected after being murdered. Other examples exist: one needs only Google and imagination to find them. And their followers believed those tales as strongly as you do yours. Did that make them more right than you are now?

    C: If we (Christians) are wrong, then who cares?
    M: Are you seriously telling me that you wouldn’t be disappointed that you’d lived your life following a fantasy? That the reward of streets paved in gold wasn’t to be? If so, I don’t believe you.

    C: Nothing will happen to us because there is no after life, no higher power, no second death, but at least we lived a life worthy of something.
    M: By believing in a nonexistent deity?

    C: We had something to look forward to, and hey, if it isn’t true then we’ll never know cause we’ll be DEAD.
    M: Yes, you will. (You see, we agree on something!)

    C: On the other hand, if Christians are right, those self-proclaimed atheists (etc) are pretty much screwed. What did you live for? Advancement of human life? By what? Living for yourself; living according to your own standards.
    M: Yes, those selfish atheists and agnostics like Einstein, who pushed for the abolishment of nuclear weapons. Like Pat Tillman, who gave up a lot of pro football money and prestige to fight in Afghanistan, and gave up his life in the process (like the war or not, the action was heroic.) Like Ayaan Hirsh Ali, who speaks up for the right of women to determine their own lives, free of bigoted, oppressive dictates of their religion and the men who decide what their holy book means. Once again, feel free to use Google to find many more examples, if you dare.

    C: In my opinion, your religion (yes, atheism is a religion) is selfish and irresponsible.
    M: A belief about religion it is. A religion it is not. The two are not the same.

    C: The only reason you don’t want to admit that there may just be a higher power is because you don’t want to answer to it. You don’t want to have to change your lifestyle; to live according to HIS standards.
    M: Most of his standards are common sense ideas that societies implement because they allow societies to persist; i.e., don’t murder, don’t steal, etc. And HIS standards, as you put it, keep changing. 200 years ago, HIS standards allowed white people to own black people in this country. Today, a common interpretation of HIS standards deny basic human rights to gay and lesbian couples. Perhaps HIS standards aren’t all THEY are cracked up to be, hmmm?

    C: I’m so sorry that you feel this way. I pray for people like you each and every night. I pray that God will hit you over the head with some sense and knock you to your knees.
    M: Is that the way he does it? Convinces people to follow him through violence? Seems contradictory to the no doubt completely sincere concern you evince. My name is Sean, by the way, so you can remember me correctly in your prayers.

    C: And FYI: Intelligent design has just as much (if not more) merit as the evolutionary theory. Evolution is a theory: it hasn’t been proven.
    As I mentioned above, Michael Behe, of the Discovery Institute, has admitted, under oath in a court of law, that the notion of intelligent design has yet to provide a single, testable scientific hypothesis. And as such, ID is not science. I think you have a strong misconception of science. Scientists don’t pull a wild theory out of their asses, and then run around looking to see if it works. They look at evidence, at data, and they seek explanations for that data. When they come up with possible explanations, they look for ways to test them. Many times, the explanations don’t hold water. When they do, and when there is a large consensus that they do, these theories are tested some more. If evidence ever pops up which seems to contradict a generally accepted theory, many different scientists attack the problem. Sometimes the theory holds up: the evidence was incorrectly gathered, or misinterpreted, or some other unrelated phenomenon is to blame. Sometimes the theory is seen to be lacking. Then it is the job of science to revise the theory, as has happened to evolutionary theory many times. You know, there is plenty of discussion about the history of evolutionary theory widely available and written for non-scientists. Use Google to find some.

    There may seem to be evidence, but you may be forgetting one minor detail: care to explain how the first cell appeared? Where it all began?
    You seem to have an aversion to using Google. There are plenty of theories on how that happened, and people working to test them. You seem to think that science claims to have all the answers. It doesn’t. What it does have is a process that can weigh evidence and determine the worth of theories describing that evidence.

    Good luck because, unfortunately for you, even if there isn’t “overwhelming evidence” that there is a God, we Christians will have lived a fuller life knowing and believing that we have been saved by the power of Christ’s sacrifice on the cross.
    But you really don’t KNOW that, do you? You believe it, but you don’t really know it.

    We are loved far greater than we can comprehend. And guess what, so are you. God loves you, even if you don’t know that yet.
    Okay, Carly, now I’m a little hacked off at you. I grew up believing. I grew up thinking that this belief helped make people better, gave them a path to improvement. And I saw the same hypocrisies in the saved as in those who didn’t believe. Then I went to college (nearly 20 years ago now), and lo and behold, I befriended people who were kind, considerate, caring, and nonbelievers to boot. You see, Carly, when you get rid of your preconceptions about things like religion, you can see that the goodness in people doesn’t correlate to believing the unprovable. Nor does badness stem from self-determination. Whether you ever figure that our or not, Carly, I couldn’t care less. You’ve got the right to believe what you want. You don’t have the right to break the highest laws of this country to force your beliefs on me, though. That’s what this site, ultimately and originally, is all about.

  6. KSoze says:

    When the argument is thrown that your religion is a farse and everyone who follows it is condemned, I have to reflect upon the souls of the origin of your religion that are obviously neglected? Are Jewish people left out of the “Kingdom of Heaven” or are they accepted because they are “HIS people”. Is the most popular religion’s followers all condemned to hell because of where they were born? Are the ones who have died without being given the chance to “convert” to HIS word left without in your afterlife’s grand scheme? Seems very… Unchristian.

  7. Dan Moody says:

    Hi Carly,

    If the best arguments you have are;

    Pascals Wager
    Atheism is a religion (yawn, Christians don’t believe in Zeus, does that mean atheism is their religion to)
    Atheists are selfish (I’ve done more charity work than you can contemplate)
    Atheists secret believe in God but don’t want to answer to Him (straw man argument)
    And evolution can’t be true because it doesn’t explain abiogenisis (wilfully ignorant of evolution and abiogenisis)

    Then quite frankly, you lose. I suspect however that if you are truly a believer, you’re purpose here wasn’t to attack us or convert us. It was to feel superior intellectually because we don’t don’t fall for the logical fallacies you think are true and your pious prayers for us make you feel holier than thou and get you more martyr points with your pastor.

    R’Amen

  8. Sarah says:

    Pascal’s wager? Check
    Complete failure to acknowledge that Christianity is not the only theist religion out there? Check
    Claim that evidence supports intelligent design without presenting any said evidence? Check
    Misunderstanding of the scientific use of the word “theory”? Check
    Confusing abiogenesis with evolution? Check
    Misunderstanding of the term “agnostic”? Check
    Assumption that all Pastafarians are Atheist? Check
    (Inaccurate) assumptions about why we are Atheists? Check
    Condescending comment about praying for us? Check
    Horrible spelling and grammar? No

    Overall, I give your letter 90% on the scale of failure, Carly. I will pray to the FSM that he knock some sense in to you with his noodly appendage.

    RAmen,
    Sarah

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