Comments on: It was with the utmost regret http://www.venganza.org/2009/11/13/it-was-with-the-utmost-regret/ Thu, 18 Mar 2010 04:52:30 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Logan http://www.venganza.org/2009/11/13/it-was-with-the-utmost-regret/#comment-936759 Logan Wed, 17 Mar 2010 17:20:44 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/?p=2608#comment-936759 You know these christians have given me an idea... I'm going to go into curches and spread the righteous word of FSM in black spray paint. They spray they're nonsense through our creator's homepage, I should do the same. R'Amen -Logan, devout pastafarian You know these christians have given me an idea… I’m going to go into curches and spread the righteous word of FSM in black spray paint. They spray they’re nonsense through our creator’s homepage, I should do the same.

R’Amen
-Logan, devout pastafarian

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]]> By: hippopotamous http://www.venganza.org/2009/11/13/it-was-with-the-utmost-regret/#comment-934212 hippopotamous Sun, 14 Mar 2010 08:07:13 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/?p=2608#comment-934212 I assume by G-d, he means Gundam. I assume by G-d, he means Gundam.

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]]> By: Devout Heathen http://www.venganza.org/2009/11/13/it-was-with-the-utmost-regret/#comment-933350 Devout Heathen Thu, 11 Mar 2010 12:01:38 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/?p=2608#comment-933350 The Fear of God - "God-fearing" is generally seen as a good trait for a Christian. The argument is that you need not fear anything in this Earthly domain, because the worst that can happen is death. It is much more appropriate to fear God, because He has control over what happens to you for all eternity. Which makes sense if you postulate that God exists, and is who He is. Which is the act of faith. There is a Bible verse that explains it. I'm inclined to think this one is real. Nobody is perfect, and a few transpositional tyops are not that uncommon. This may be someone who is wont to mail people with argessive spam filters that reject the word "God" if they find it. The Fear of God – “God-fearing” is generally seen as a good trait for a Christian. The argument is that you need not fear anything in this Earthly domain, because the worst that can happen is death. It is much more appropriate to fear God, because He has control over what happens to you for all eternity. Which makes sense if you postulate that God exists, and is who He is. Which is the act of faith. There is a Bible verse that explains it.

I’m inclined to think this one is real. Nobody is perfect, and a few transpositional tyops are not that uncommon. This may be someone who is wont to mail people with argessive spam filters that reject the word “God” if they find it.

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]]> By: Scurvey Steve http://www.venganza.org/2009/11/13/it-was-with-the-utmost-regret/#comment-933157 Scurvey Steve Thu, 11 Mar 2010 03:27:19 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/?p=2608#comment-933157 I sort of feel bad for this guy. "but on the day of Judgement I will be glad I am one of the righteous, and not one of the misleaden." said he, but how do you think he would feel when he finds out that he is misleaden. Luckily he will be dead so he won't have to lament over the hours he wasted at church. I sort of feel bad for this guy. “but on the day of Judgement I will be glad I am one of the righteous, and not one of the misleaden.” said he, but how do you think he would feel when he finds out that he is misleaden. Luckily he will be dead so he won’t have to lament over the hours he wasted at church.

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]]> By: Holytape http://www.venganza.org/2009/11/13/it-was-with-the-utmost-regret/#comment-930494 Holytape Fri, 05 Mar 2010 20:31:05 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/?p=2608#comment-930494 Dear Chuck, I do not know of the G-d thing, but if he/she/it is too poor to afford the 250 dollars to buy a vowel, then he/she/it need not be taken seriously. Thank you. Dear Chuck,

I do not know of the G-d thing, but if he/she/it is too poor to afford the 250 dollars to buy a vowel, then he/she/it need not be taken seriously.

Thank you.

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]]> By: pinataheart http://www.venganza.org/2009/11/13/it-was-with-the-utmost-regret/#comment-929728 pinataheart Tue, 02 Mar 2010 12:44:58 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/?p=2608#comment-929728 Though, and do not dislike me because of my honesty, I do not expect reading that to change my beliefs, I will read it. It does sound interesting and I am sure that it will be chocked full of wisdom: I find that atheist philosophers usually are. Though, and do not dislike me because of my honesty, I do not expect reading that to change my beliefs, I will read it. It does sound interesting and I am sure that it will be chocked full of wisdom: I find that atheist philosophers usually are.

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]]> By: plumberbob http://www.venganza.org/2009/11/13/it-was-with-the-utmost-regret/#comment-929190 plumberbob Sun, 28 Feb 2010 08:15:26 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/?p=2608#comment-929190 @ 476 - pinataheart -, I've written to you earlier at post #460 where I suggested that you might want to clear your doubts and steady your beliefs. As I said there, our goal is the prohibition of religious dogma in public school science curricula. Here I would like to talk to you as a teacher, and suggest a very specific way for you to begin your study, in the presence of philosophers who have faced the same doubts with which you seem to be grappling. Baruch Spinoza was a Jew of Iberian ancestry living in Amsterdam in the 1600's at the height of the Spanish Inquisition. He was well educated and was in contact with escapees from the inquisition, several of whom went crazy and ended their lives. His studies convinced him of the nonexistence of the Abramamic deity. He was banned from the Jewish community and wrote his philosophy in solitude, away from the community of other people; he was the first and most renowned Jewish atheist. My favorite exposition is 'Spinoza and Other Heretics' by Yirmiyahu Yovel. Spinoza was the first of the philosophers who was exiled from all communities of faith, either by force or by temperament, and all later philosophers have built on his foundation. By studying Spinoza, you will be led to many other philosophers who have been troubled by the nonexistence of God. By seeing how others have come to grips with this problem, you will be led to your own solution. I wish you the best of luck and good studies. RAmen @ 476 – pinataheart -,

I’ve written to you earlier at post #460 where I suggested that you might want to clear your doubts and steady your beliefs. As I said there, our goal is the prohibition of religious dogma in public school science curricula.

Here I would like to talk to you as a teacher, and suggest a very specific way for you to begin your study, in the presence of philosophers who have faced the same doubts with which you seem to be grappling.

Baruch Spinoza was a Jew of Iberian ancestry living in Amsterdam in the 1600’s at the height of the Spanish Inquisition. He was well educated and was in contact with escapees from the inquisition, several of whom went crazy and ended their lives. His studies convinced him of the nonexistence of the Abramamic deity. He was banned from the Jewish community and wrote his philosophy in solitude, away from the community of other people; he was the first and most renowned Jewish atheist. My favorite exposition is ‘Spinoza and Other Heretics’ by Yirmiyahu Yovel.

Spinoza was the first of the philosophers who was exiled from all communities of faith, either by force or by temperament, and all later philosophers have built on his foundation. By studying Spinoza, you will be led to many other philosophers who have been troubled by the nonexistence of God. By seeing how others have come to grips with this problem, you will be led to your own solution.

I wish you the best of luck and good studies.

RAmen

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]]> By: pinataheart http://www.venganza.org/2009/11/13/it-was-with-the-utmost-regret/#comment-929052 pinataheart Sat, 27 Feb 2010 20:26:38 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/?p=2608#comment-929052 I can't admit to myself that I am crazy because psychologically, whether I am nuts or not, I have to have the belief that I am not. It is evolutionary psychology really... But from an objective point of view, if someone did not have my memories, then it is probably the reference to the best explanation to say that I am crazy or a liar about my experiences and I admit that. I can’t admit to myself that I am crazy because psychologically, whether I am nuts or not, I have to have the belief that I am not. It is evolutionary psychology really…
But from an objective point of view, if someone did not have my memories, then it is probably the reference to the best explanation to say that I am crazy or a liar about my experiences and I admit that.

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]]> By: ATSAP REVOL http://www.venganza.org/2009/11/13/it-was-with-the-utmost-regret/#comment-928933 ATSAP REVOL Sat, 27 Feb 2010 08:44:54 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/?p=2608#comment-928933 Well, it looks like we've got another "hanger-on" like Steve of God. At least we're glad that pinataheart (#476) agrees with our central goal, which is to keep Intelligent Design from being taught in science classes in public schools. - But we are at a loss, pinataheart, to see why you resist admitting that you are crazy. You have provided ample evidence of instability on this site. And we certainly don't want you to hate yourself again. While we don't understand you, we wish you well. - AR Well, it looks like we’ve got another “hanger-on” like Steve of God. At least we’re glad that pinataheart (#476) agrees with our central goal, which is to keep Intelligent Design from being taught in science classes in public schools.
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But we are at a loss, pinataheart, to see why you resist admitting that you are crazy. You have provided ample evidence of instability on this site. And we certainly don’t want you to hate yourself again. While we don’t understand you, we wish you well.
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AR

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]]> By: pinataheart http://www.venganza.org/2009/11/13/it-was-with-the-utmost-regret/#comment-928821 pinataheart Fri, 26 Feb 2010 22:55:56 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/?p=2608#comment-928821 I don't think we should focus on the differences that we have in beliefs. (You can all call me crazy and you can all not like me, but I can't admit that I am crazy, and I can't hate myself. Never again.) The important thing is that, for the most part, the people who frequent this site are against Intelligent Design being taught in schools, which is a worthy thing and that the majority of us know that empirical data is much stronger than mere beliefs without experience. I don’t think we should focus on the differences that we have in beliefs. (You can all call me crazy and you can all not like me, but I can’t admit that I am crazy, and I can’t hate myself. Never again.)
The important thing is that, for the most part, the people who frequent this site are against Intelligent Design being taught in schools, which is a worthy thing and that the majority of us know that empirical data is much stronger than mere beliefs without experience.

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]]> By: Fear Of Flying http://www.venganza.org/2009/11/13/it-was-with-the-utmost-regret/#comment-928732 Fear Of Flying Fri, 26 Feb 2010 14:55:24 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/?p=2608#comment-928732 informative post. I hope you continue writing such interesting articles informative post. I hope you continue writing such interesting articles

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]]> By: gordon_uk http://www.venganza.org/2009/11/13/it-was-with-the-utmost-regret/#comment-927611 gordon_uk Tue, 23 Feb 2010 16:12:38 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/?p=2608#comment-927611 Re my post 470, wrong soles, I meant Souls sorry!! I will go and stand in the corner! G Re my post 470, wrong soles, I meant Souls sorry!!

I will go and stand in the corner!

G

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]]> By: pinataheart http://www.venganza.org/2009/11/13/it-was-with-the-utmost-regret/#comment-927444 pinataheart Tue, 23 Feb 2010 05:12:37 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/?p=2608#comment-927444 I am sorry. I am sure it did seem as if i was totally unchill. But I assure you that I was totally chill. I just didn't know how to put italics on this flippin' site so I put what I wanted in italics in all caps. I admitted that I have no objective, evidence. I am not trying to prove anyone right or wrong. I only believe based upon what I personally have experienced. And I am not just talking about deep emotional stuff. I am talking about literal, physical, manifestations that baffled me. Can't prove they actually happened. It is good enough for me, maybe not for anyone else. I don't care whether you believe or not. You are all mostly good-hearted people so it doesn't matter to me nor do I think that it would matter to any good hearted Deity. I am sorry. I am sure it did seem as if i was totally unchill. But I assure you that I was totally chill. I just didn’t know how to put italics on this flippin’ site so I put what I wanted in italics in all caps.
I admitted that I have no objective, evidence. I am not trying to prove anyone right or wrong. I only believe based upon what I personally have experienced. And I am not just talking about deep emotional stuff. I am talking about literal, physical, manifestations that baffled me. Can’t prove they actually happened. It is good enough for me, maybe not for anyone else. I don’t care whether you believe or not. You are all mostly good-hearted people so it doesn’t matter to me nor do I think that it would matter to any good hearted Deity.

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]]> By: WinniePony http://www.venganza.org/2009/11/13/it-was-with-the-utmost-regret/#comment-927443 WinniePony Tue, 23 Feb 2010 05:10:18 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/?p=2608#comment-927443 Are you for real? Do you honestly think we're serious here? Dude, chill out. The point of FSM-ism isn't to create a serious religion. The point is to emphasize the flaws of traditional religions, and especially of creationism as a science, by blowing their own logic way out of proportion, to the point where it becomes comedy, thereby highlighting how ridiculous those arguments truly are. So take a deep breath, open your mind a little, and recognize FSM-ism for what it is: another argument against ID theories, unique only in that it relies on satire and carbohydrates for its basis. It's not a religion; it's an argument. Are you for real? Do you honestly think we’re serious here? Dude, chill out. The point of FSM-ism isn’t to create a serious religion. The point is to emphasize the flaws of traditional religions, and especially of creationism as a science, by blowing their own logic way out of proportion, to the point where it becomes comedy, thereby highlighting how ridiculous those arguments truly are. So take a deep breath, open your mind a little, and recognize FSM-ism for what it is: another argument against ID theories, unique only in that it relies on satire and carbohydrates for its basis. It’s not a religion; it’s an argument.

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]]> By: ATSAP REVOL http://www.venganza.org/2009/11/13/it-was-with-the-utmost-regret/#comment-927428 ATSAP REVOL Tue, 23 Feb 2010 04:14:19 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/?p=2608#comment-927428 Aww shux, Pinataheart, I was just funnin' you. Of course you have Goals and Dreams! I would even go so far as to say Aspirations. You'd better go ahead and believe your "subjective experiences," because we sure don't want you in the "nuthouse," as you said you would be. - Your selection of "Pinataheart" as one of your alter egos suggests an unhappy self image. - Bless your little Heart (and Soul), AR Aww shux, Pinataheart, I was just funnin’ you. Of course you have Goals and Dreams! I would even go so far as to say Aspirations. You’d better go ahead and believe your “subjective experiences,” because we sure don’t want you in the “nuthouse,” as you said you would be.
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Your selection of “Pinataheart” as one of your alter egos suggests an unhappy self image.
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Bless your little Heart (and Soul),
AR

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]]> By: gordon_uk http://www.venganza.org/2009/11/13/it-was-with-the-utmost-regret/#comment-927235 gordon_uk Mon, 22 Feb 2010 16:50:39 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/?p=2608#comment-927235 To pinataheart Fist of all chill! I did find you post as 'Child of Colbert and the Cable Guy' very funny as an example of how some hate mailer come across. But I'm not sure that there was any point being put across though. As to 'free will' religious dogma implies that has to be 'free will' otherwise there could be no sin. An other point on 'free will' is that in resent study (by Marc Hauser, professor of evolutionary biology at Harvard University) that shows that humans developed morals before religion. (for the full details go to http://www.cell.com/trends/cognitive-sciences/fulltext/S1364-6613%2809%2900289-7) On to the 'sole', this is a debate that as been rumbling on for thousands years without any proof to back up this assumption despite may scientific studies on the matter. I see you have at lest though of the problem of storage of these soles, though in some sort of interdenominational data base? Your argument seems only to be based on your belief but that's like my daughter who believes in Santa, it does not make him real. Anyway we digress, the main point of this site is not to do with who's right and who's wrong, in fact in breaks the FSM's first and fifth “I'd really rather you didn'ts”, it's about keeping government(s) (including schools etc.) secular which will help protect all religions including secular beliefs. RAmen Gordon

To pinataheart

Fist of all chill!

I did find you post as ‘Child of Colbert and the Cable Guy’ very funny as an example of how some hate mailer come across. But I’m not sure that there was any point being put across though.

As to ‘free will’ religious dogma implies that has to be ‘free will’ otherwise there could be no sin. An other point on ‘free will’ is that in resent study (by Marc Hauser, professor of evolutionary biology at Harvard University) that shows that humans developed morals before religion. (for the full details go to http://www.cell.com/trends/cognitive-sciences/fulltext/S1364-6613%2809%2900289-7)

On to the ’sole’, this is a debate that as been rumbling on for thousands years without any proof to back up this assumption despite may scientific studies on the matter. I see you have at lest though of the problem of storage of these soles, though in some sort of interdenominational data base? Your argument seems only to be based on your belief but that’s like my daughter who believes in Santa, it does not make him real.

Anyway we digress, the main point of this site is not to do with who’s right and who’s wrong, in fact in breaks the FSM’s first and fifth “I’d really rather you didn’ts”, it’s about keeping government(s) (including schools etc.) secular which will help protect all religions including secular beliefs.

RAmen
Gordon

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]]> By: Insightful Ape http://www.venganza.org/2009/11/13/it-was-with-the-utmost-regret/#comment-927042 Insightful Ape Mon, 22 Feb 2010 00:31:06 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/?p=2608#comment-927042 pinata, you are obviously entitled to your opinion. You maybe right or wrong. But there is just one point I have to bring to your attention. The word "soul" in the English language doesn't mean what you are using for. It means neither the brain nor a function of the brain. It mean something different altogether. It is a matter of semantics but it is not trivial. When you take a word that has an established meaning and take it to mean something different you are going to be misunderstood. A good example of this is Einstein's use of the word "god". He tossed it around frequently and then got exasperated when people thought he was religious. They couldn't have known that he was using the word to mean something very different than what everyone else used it for. So I guess I'm suggesting not to use the word soul to mean something it doesn't to anyone other than you. Just a friendly suggestion. RAmen

pinata, you are obviously entitled to your opinion. You maybe right or wrong. But there is just one point I have to bring to your attention.
The word “soul” in the English language doesn’t mean what you are using for. It means neither the brain nor a function of the brain. It mean something different altogether.
It is a matter of semantics but it is not trivial. When you take a word that has an established meaning and take it to mean something different you are going to be misunderstood.
A good example of this is Einstein’s use of the word “god”. He tossed it around frequently and then got exasperated when people thought he was religious. They couldn’t have known that he was using the word to mean something very different than what everyone else used it for.
So I guess I’m suggesting not to use the word soul to mean something it doesn’t to anyone other than you. Just a friendly suggestion.
RAmen

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]]> By: pinataheart http://www.venganza.org/2009/11/13/it-was-with-the-utmost-regret/#comment-925720 pinataheart Fri, 19 Feb 2010 03:00:52 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/?p=2608#comment-925720 Just so you guys know... I don't have multiple personality disorder... I just thought that if I were to post the type of posts i did with "Child of Colbert and the Cable Guy" and "The Burrowing Gruel Beast" would not have made the intended points as well under the banner of my name "pinataheart". If anyone was upset by the idea of me using multiple names for that reason, then I wholeheartedly apologize. I just saw some things that I, as myself, could not say with as much impact. And yes I have hopes and dreams, number 466 "ATSAP REVOL" I know you were being sarcastic but I don't know why or what your main point was. Yes I realize that everyone has hopes and dreams. But I realize that mine, personally, I don't know about everyone else, hang upon the concept that my perception is real and that I am not completely out of my gourd, whether that is true or not, I admit that I need the idea. There were many good points by Insightful Ape: "First, that free will is an illusion. That doesn’t mean responsibility is an illusion. Human behavior does not occur outside a context of motives. There are those whose actions show a disregard for the welfare of others. Those individuals will still be facing consquences, legal or otherwise. Punishment does affect human behavior. What you seem to be saying is that failure to use the phrase “free will” will make people behave wantonly. Do you have any evidence of that or are you just guessing? And incidentally none of the neuroscientists studying the matter have ever advocated abolishing the penal system." - Insightful Ape ~~My response: True true. If we keep the system of holding people to responsibilities then we can still keep people in check for the most part. And also true that I don't know that the dismissal of the concept of free will would cause all people to behave wantonly. I am only afraid that I personally would behave wantonly. So from a very pragmatic standpoint I say that I NEED free will, at the very least the concept. And though I hate to do this about anything, I can't allow myself to think way too heavily on it for the protection of myself and others. "Now on to the “soul” thing: we know with high precision which parts of brain are involved in specific functions that are traditionally attributed to “soul”: speech, memory (distinct locations for memory for words v. shapes), executive function, etc. Why do you suppose a transcendental being like soul should interact with brain in this way? Should it not be outside the bounds of time and space by definition?" - Insightful Ape. You assumed that I had a dualistic view, which put simply, I don't have. Yes, indeed, I believe that everything, in some manner, is physical. The soul would be no different. Love would be no different. Everything has to be physical in some way form or fashion. Does that mean that I have evidence for the existence of a physical soul or of Love? No. Can I imagine explanations? You bet'cha. Can they be tested? Not within our lifetimes. Why do I believe then? Like I said PERSONAL experiences. Crazy things that I could not explain, but, on a faith in science, I believe COULD ONE DAY be explained. Were I trying to convert others, I would need much more. The burden of proof, I understand, is upon me to present evidence for the existence of these things. For that reason I think that any religion's attempts of converting anyone is pure folly. I am not trying to convince you or anyone of anything. I was merely stating what I believed. And I admit that my beliefs are completely indefensible in any objective way. But I personally can, indeed, MUST, believe my own subjective experiences, or I will truly be in the nuthouse. If you are really curious, I will tell you what I believe. I believe that the soul is the brain, the physical brain. And the spirit is just some sort of storage device that is sent to another deminsion/universe. Whether it be an electrical frequency, some small, physical thing, or even if the spirit is just Love memorizing everything about us through Her connection with us, then it must be physical. The same thing goes for Love, who I believe is actually physically in another dimension/universe or is, in fact, a zero-dimensional object in three dimensional space and since She is so and Her limits are all undefined, She encompasses everything (I don't believe the zero-dimensional object because that means that Love would have to be the only non-physical thing that we have ever seen: nothingness. Emptiness. Unfilled space. But it is interesting, as even the majority of an atom is made up of empty space. But then I run into the problem: "How can empty space think?") All of these as mentioned before are unprovable. And they can't be disproved. So unless you have had personal experiences with Love then please, by all means, Occam's Razor this possibility out and I will even respect you for it and believe that Love respects you for it. Just so you guys know…
I don’t have multiple personality disorder…
I just thought that if I were to post the type of posts i did with “Child of Colbert and the Cable Guy” and “The Burrowing Gruel Beast” would not have made the intended points as well under the banner of my name “pinataheart”.
If anyone was upset by the idea of me using multiple names for that reason, then I wholeheartedly apologize. I just saw some things that I, as myself, could not say with as much impact.
And yes I have hopes and dreams, number 466 “ATSAP REVOL” I know you were being sarcastic but I don’t know why or what your main point was. Yes I realize that everyone has hopes and dreams. But I realize that mine, personally, I don’t know about everyone else, hang upon the concept that my perception is real and that I am not completely out of my gourd, whether that is true or not, I admit that I need the idea.

There were many good points by Insightful Ape:
“First, that free will is an illusion. That doesn’t mean responsibility is an illusion. Human behavior does not occur outside a context of motives. There are those whose actions show a disregard for the welfare of others. Those individuals will still be facing consquences, legal or otherwise. Punishment does affect human behavior. What you seem to be saying is that failure to use the phrase “free will” will make people behave wantonly. Do you have any evidence of that or are you just guessing? And incidentally none of the neuroscientists studying the matter have ever advocated abolishing the penal system.” – Insightful Ape

~~My response: True true. If we keep the system of holding people to responsibilities then we can still keep people in check for the most part. And also true that I don’t know that the dismissal of the concept of free will would cause all people to behave wantonly. I am only afraid that I personally would behave wantonly. So from a very pragmatic standpoint I say that I NEED free will, at the very least the concept. And though I hate to do this about anything, I can’t allow myself to think way too heavily on it for the protection of myself and others.
“Now on to the “soul” thing: we know with high precision which parts of brain are involved in specific functions that are traditionally attributed to “soul”: speech, memory (distinct locations for memory for words v. shapes), executive function, etc. Why do you suppose a transcendental being like soul should interact with brain in this way? Should it not be outside the bounds of time and space by definition?” – Insightful Ape.
You assumed that I had a dualistic view, which put simply, I don’t have. Yes, indeed, I believe that everything, in some manner, is physical. The soul would be no different. Love would be no different. Everything has to be physical in some way form or fashion. Does that mean that I have evidence for the existence of a physical soul or of Love? No. Can I imagine explanations? You bet’cha. Can they be tested? Not within our lifetimes. Why do I believe then? Like I said PERSONAL experiences. Crazy things that I could not explain, but, on a faith in science, I believe COULD ONE DAY be explained. Were I trying to convert others, I would need much more. The burden of proof, I understand, is upon me to present evidence for the existence of these things. For that reason I think that any religion’s attempts of converting anyone is pure folly. I am not trying to convince you or anyone of anything. I was merely stating what I believed. And I admit that my beliefs are completely indefensible in any objective way. But I personally can, indeed, MUST, believe my own subjective experiences, or I will truly be in the nuthouse.
If you are really curious, I will tell you what I believe. I believe that the soul is the brain, the physical brain. And the spirit is just some sort of storage device that is sent to another deminsion/universe. Whether it be an electrical frequency, some small, physical thing, or even if the spirit is just Love memorizing everything about us through Her connection with us, then it must be physical. The same thing goes for Love, who I believe is actually physically in another dimension/universe or is, in fact, a zero-dimensional object in three dimensional space and since She is so and Her limits are all undefined, She encompasses everything (I don’t believe the zero-dimensional object because that means that Love would have to be the only non-physical thing that we have ever seen: nothingness. Emptiness. Unfilled space. But it is interesting, as even the majority of an atom is made up of empty space. But then I run into the problem: “How can empty space think?”) All of these as mentioned before are unprovable. And they can’t be disproved. So unless you have had personal experiences with Love then please, by all means, Occam’s Razor this possibility out and I will even respect you for it and believe that Love respects you for it.

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]]> By: ATSAP REVOL http://www.venganza.org/2009/11/13/it-was-with-the-utmost-regret/#comment-925503 ATSAP REVOL Thu, 18 Feb 2010 07:13:35 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/?p=2608#comment-925503 #457, pinataheart, - You have Goals and Dreams? Wow! #457, pinataheart,
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You have Goals and Dreams? Wow!

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]]> By: cannabusiness http://www.venganza.org/2009/11/13/it-was-with-the-utmost-regret/#comment-925389 cannabusiness Thu, 18 Feb 2010 01:17:49 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/?p=2608#comment-925389 Sir, if the tales of Sodom and Gammorah were true, God would have smote Las Vegas about fifteen times by now. And Korea would be in trouble too. Say what you want but eating sushi off a strippers fully exposed breasts.... niiice. I picture the Stripper Factory being something like that.

Sir, if the tales of Sodom and Gammorah were true, God would have smote Las Vegas about fifteen times by now. And Korea would be in trouble too. Say what you want but eating sushi off a strippers fully exposed breasts…. niiice. I picture the Stripper Factory being something like that.

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