Dear Sir;
It was with the utmost regret that I stumbled upon your horror religion. Do you not know that G-d will not be mocked? He who gave this world to us and created us in his imagine is surely not one to be insulted this way. You are a false prophet, and if you don not change your ways you will surely come to regret it when you are burning in the fires of hell. My G-d is a loving G-d, but you are sorely tempting him and he has shown the ability to be pushed to far. (Do the towns of Sodom and Gammorah have any meaning to you?)
I will pray for your soul; I only hope it is not to late. Turn your heart to Jesus and let his light fill you up; you will surely see that to worship a dinner item will only lead to eternal ruin/damnation. If you can’t do it for yourself, you should think of those poor pasta believers you have turned away from G-d; surely you will realize that you are going to be held responsible for thier mis-guided souls, as well?
I am sorry if I will be keeping you awake at night with the fears for your eternal soul, but sometimes a person has to be made afraid to understnad their mistake. Why do you think they are called G-d fearing men? Do you really think your bowl of noodles will enspire fear? Hah, you can talk about pirates and pasta all day, but on the day of Judgement I will be glad I am one of the righteous, and not one of the misleaden. I am praying to G-d to heal your ugly heart and commune you to His beauty and His ways. May G-d have mercy on your soul;
Chuck
What do you guys think – real or fake?
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@ 393 – able semen -,
Many years ago my brother got a Doctor of Divinity Degree from the Universal Life Church:
http://www.ulcseminary.org/
It was admittedly a diploma mill, and it said that if you want the degree, we’ll sell it to you, because what you know about the deity is as much as anybody knows about the deity. At least they were honest about it.
RAmen
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@ 393 – able semen -,
Many years ago, my brother got a Doctor of Divinity Degree from The Universal Life Church:
http://www.ulcseminary.org/
They said they’d sell it to him since he knew as much about the deity as anybody else did. Checking their website, they may have stiffened their standards since then; they’ve at least broadened their line of products.
RAmen
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Oi Bobby – what’s happening to our posts? You been on holiday or has a christian hacker got in?
s.o.g. #390 et al: I wouldn’t miss you now – you’re not responding as vehemently and as nutterly as earlier. Come on, I thought you were at least attempting to mass-debate…
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i would rather prefer no god, that one i must be afraid of
and i rather prefer to die for heresy, that drawn blood from my brothers in the world, on a stupid crusade for a meaningless place, just because it was the place were a prophet was
but this messages are just so stupid that makes me laught
“My G-d is a loving G-d”… “Do you not know that G-d will not be mocked?”… “Why do you think they are called G-d fearing men?” “burning in the fires of hell”
and no thanks, i like more that the FSM fill me up with the all holy pasta that Jesus fill me with his light
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dear sir
When I was four I learnt how to spell three letter words.
Dog, cat, man, can, GOD.
When I was fourteen I learnt how to research my religion, which was at the time was Christianity.
I would suggest you do the same.
After that we would be more than welcome to have you within our ranks.
May you be touched by f-m.
still awesome
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You could be right about us just not knowing how it works yet. I never said it had to be something supernatural running things, I just meant that there has to be some reason why we’re here and there has to be something that happens to us after we die. Somehow, I just can’t bring myself to believe that we all just evaporate.
# 400
What I meant by that was that I can’t prove there is a god, or fsm, or allah or any other diety, and that I know I can’t prove it. The lack of proof makes me question whether or not I should believe it. When I said “I BELIEVE” I was simply retaliating to you assuming that I had proof just because I said I believed in a loving merciful god. And i know your religion doesn’t have a dogma, I was just wondering what I said that may have offended some of you, which is not what I intended to do at all. I’m aware that my assumption of “a loving merciful god” could be false. Just looking at some of the hate mail is enough to convince me that ”Loving Merciful God” is a product of my wild imagination anyway.
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Give it up Able Semen. This sog monkey has’nt the capacity for rational debate. Tossing as much crap as possible to see if any of it sticks to the wall is more his/her/its style. The funny part is…these types “think” that is a debate.
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In post 350, steve of god said that god is all powerful, yet could not hide from us if he tried. I sense a contradiction..
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Sorry Alleged Demoness #406 – but you seem to be very confused:
• “I said I believed in a loving merciful god” – which is supernatural by definition
• you then said “there has to be some reason why we’re here” – Why?
• “there has to be something that happens to us after we die” – Why?
We do not all evaporate – I don’t know where you got that one from? Our atoms will exist for quite a while. I never assumed you had proof – there isn’t any! But I would have liked to have seen what you imagined to be proof.
Why do you say “i know your religion doesn’t have a dogma” – this is not a religion. You have not read the “About” page and “Open Letter” – or if you did you did not understand. The FSM is a satirical parody of an Intelligent Designer to mock the “Intelligent Design as Science” crowd. That’s all. It appears to have developed virtual “religiosity” in response to religious attacks.
You’ve gone full cycle again with the “product of my wild imagination anyway” comment and that you are aware that your assumption may be false! Do you believe in a god or not? You’re up and down like a yo-yo…
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I’m not going to lie, I am confused. I think there has to be a reason we’re here, because if there isn’t than we wouldn’t be here. And when I said “I don’t think we all just evaporate,” I was referring to souls, which you don’t seem to believe we have. Do I believe in God? I guess I do selectively. If there is a god, I don’t think he wants us to start wars in his name or hurt innocent people, or damn everyone to hell. If there isn’t, well thats okay too. In other words, I don’t think it matters much what I believe, because I could be wrong, just like you, or anyone else in the world. I would think you’d be thankful that there’s someone out here who doesn’t think they know everything just becuase they read it in a “holy” book.
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To Alleged Demoness 410
Does there have to be a reason for everything?
Souls are part of religious dogma and the idea was probably used by the ruling classes to encourage the poor/week to die for them, King – ‘don’t worry god will look after your soul’ Poor person – ‘ok you know best’ sort of thing.
Apart from that your view of religion seems more sensible then most.
RAmen
Gordon
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#410 – Alleged Demoness:
It’s cool – I’m only sounding you out. You believe in a god and immortal souls and you seem to have an intuition as to how this god thinks – all without any evidence; you believe this without recourse to a holy book and have not been influenced in any way by existing scriptures. I am in awe (and not being sarcastic!)
My big problem with all this is people feeling that there has to be a reason why we are here just because our main evolved survival tool has a means of simulating potential events. Wondering as to our purpose is like wondering what the purpose of a rock is: Why is it there on the ground? What is it for? It isn’t “for” anything – it just is. I think it is wonderful that we have the means and mechanisms to logically ponder these problems but I really think there isn’t an “answer” – and to be honest that’s sad! It would be wonderful to imagine that our existence will be eternal – meeting all my lost loved ones in a world to come – but that isn’t going to happen. I sometimes wonder what it must be like to just believe and to have blind unquestioning faith; (Un)fortunately I am (un)lucky enough not to believe any of that complete and total shit.
Now, where’s that razor…
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Here is another thought experiment for you craig.
Do you consider forensic science a legitimate science?
In case you didn’t know it, evidence gathered by forensic science is ALWAYS after the fact. You can’t go back and recreate the crime scene, you have to work with what you have post hoc.
Which makes it an invalid line of work according to you, right?
An if that were not enough, there have been documented cases of evidence either planted by crooked law enforcement agents or fraudulently handled by forensic scientists.
The relationship between evolutionary biology and criminal justice is more than metaphoric. In case of DNA probes forensic techniques were actually developed based on our understanding of evolution.
So what do you think craig? Should we shut down the whole prison system?
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@ # 411:
Well now that I’ve read what Able Semen said in 412, I guess there doesn’t necessarily have to be a reason for us to be here. (Thank you, by the way, I’d never thought of it that way.) But since you don’t believe in Souls, I am genuinely curious, what do you believe happens to us after we die? Not trying to attack your viewpoint, I seriously want to know.
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You’ve confused me now – no-one changes their philosophy that quickly.
If we are purely biochemical machines then when we die we are just fuel for other organisms – just like a cow processed into the supermarket of life.
Why do you keep bringing souls into the equation – there is no evidence for their existence?
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To Alleged Demoness
To answer your question, the only thing any of us can say for sure is rigor mortis followed by decomposing (or cremation), to put it bluntly.
The thing that worries me most about theists is their ability to accept something as fact despite there being nothing to confirm/prove it apart from the bible and other scripture, which from reading your posts I get the impression that you would agree that the bible and other scripture is not a reliable source.
So as I can only believe in what I know to be fact the question then turns to you, why believe in something that no one can prove or even provide anything that would indicate the possibility that isn’t hearsay? And please don’t just say ‘there has to be something’ it quite a weak argument. As an Atheist I always get asked the question ‘why don’t I believe’ this has always puzzled me the question should be ‘why do you believe’, we are born without religion and it’s only social conditioning that changes that.
Thanks
G
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*414: Alleged Demoness
What happens after we die? Physically speaking, most of us become fertilizer or ashes. As for what happens to our mind (or soul or whatever), I doubt whether anyone really knows. The problem with a lot of the hate mailers is that they seem to think they do know and that their opinion is the only correct one.
My mother used to say, “Ashes to ashes, dust to dust, if the lord don’t get you the devil must” Of course, she wasn’t serious when she said it. :)
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#414 – Alleged Demoness
Our mind is known to be a series of stored synaptic “memories” and active electrical and chemical responses to external and internal stimuli. The sole purpose of our amazing bodies is survival (if you haven’t already guessed, I am an avid Dawkins fan) and all our interaction with our “ultimate” survival machine – the brain – enables us to live long enough to breed and nurture our young.
We have become encumbered with emotional baggage which can be fully explained from a selfish gene perspective. As I have noted in other responses, it is well worth looking up reciprocal altruism and kin selection (and anything else relating to John Maynard Smith and J. B. S. Haldane). Religion is an extension of our emotional needs to an idealized loving father or big brother figure and allows up to cope with trials and tribulations in this life and the death of our loved ones and ourselves to come. I see religion as an easy way out: “Why? Oh Why? Its Gods will. Praise be to God.” Religion answers nothing.
We are the only life form known which has evolved to this state of realization – and to hide it behind fairy stories will not assist in our battle again blind genetics. We actually have a chance to beat evolution; we have a chance to control it. Not that we would ever know the right direction to drive it – nature “knows” much better than us and balances out over time. We are far too selfish – another by-product of survival. You can’t blame our genes: they never knew where they were taking us.
When we die all this wonderful activity stops and our “soul” will just cease to be. Sorry.
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#414 Alleged Demoness:
Our “souls” are just the products of our physical, biological brains. If you mess with the chemical functioning of the brain, you can make your “soul” go away. Have you ever had surgery in a hospital? The doctors put a mixture of drugs in your body which interfere with a part of that chemical functioning and, voila, your “soul” is gone–you have no awareness of the passing of time or any other part of reality until the doctors restore normal brain function.
When we die, our brain’s chemical functioning permanently stops. We experience the exact same thing that we experienced for the many, many, many, many years that went by before we were born–before our physical brains matured to the point where our “souls” appeared in our heads–NOTHING.
So enjoy this one life you have. Be nice to others and don’t be afraid of anything. After we die, we don’t feel a thing.
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# 415:
I’ve confused you again? Well what else is new. You say there is not proof of souls existance. There is also no proof of there nonexistance. Also, why can’t I change my philisophy that fast? Your arguement is obviously more logical than mine, it would be stupid to just reject it just because I’d never considered it. It’d be just like Steve up there singing with his hands over his ears. Very unintelligent. Me considering your viewpoint is just part of being open-minded. You are obviously a very intelligent person, but you keep misunderstanding me. Can you prove that there is nothing after death, besides physical decomposition? That is why I still believe in Souls and (selectively) God.
# 416:
Ok I agree, it is a weak arguement, and I agree the bible is an undreliable source. When I asked what happens after you die, I meant your conciousness. I know what happens to your body.
# 417:
THANK YOU.
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Hi, #420,
Actually…the status of the “soul” in neuroscience is similar to the status of elephants at yellow stone: if it existed, by now we should have found some evidence.
See, all neuroscience tells us is that what you call “free will” is an illusion, it is only firing of the neurons of your brain, that you attribute to “yourself”.
http://www.amazon.com/Volitional-Brain-Towards-Neuroscience-Free/dp/0907845118
Here is an example: when you walk you don’t think much about it. Yet it turns out, walking involves a very complicated set of actions. (Just ask any adult who was off his/her feet for awhile. They have to relearn it literally step by step). When you walk, your neurons are discharging, but you are not aware of it. Because what you call “agency”, or the “I did it” feeling, is a secondary phenomenon that may or may not come.
Besides, we have known from the 1980’s that by the time you “start” an action, your brain is already in the process of executing it. “Deciding” to do it is in fact a secondary happening.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bereitschaftspotential
Incidentally, what happens to your “soul” when you are having general anesthesia for surgery? Does it go out to lunch? If you consciousness cannot withstand the effect of gases that temporarily disrupt the function of your brain cells-why am I supposed to believe it somehow survives the death of all those cells?
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# 419:
I’ve considered that before. You’re arguement is logical enough. Don’t misunderstand me, it makes sense. But as I’ve said before, I don’t believe our conciousness just disappears. All the stuff we go through in life, all the experiences we have, the things we learn, I refuse to believe that in the end, it’s all for nothing. It’s nice that you have the intelligence to figure things out for yourself, but I simply can’t bring myself to share your viewpoint. Sorry.
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#420 + 422 – Alleged Demoness
There is no proof of the flying spaghetti monster’s non-existence, a unicorn’s non-existence, a Martian’s non-existence, Russell’s tea-pot’s non-existence, the monster under your bed’s non-existence – none of those lacks of proofs of non-existence make them exist. The only evidence we have for life after death is, well we don’t have any. You want to believe that our consciousness goes on – of course you do; we all want to believe that but with what we physically know it isn’t going to happen.
My point about change of philosophy is that it doesn’t happen overnight (if at all) – there’s a lot more than simple logic to it. Perhaps I should have said I was surprised rather than confused.
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Deamoness, you know what you”logic” is called?
Wishful thinking.
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Children. _Children_!
If you’re going to complain about the fundies trying to use Faith to argue against Science and Logic, then you can’t turn around and try to use Science and Logic to argue against Faith.
Incompatible systems. Different postulates. Does Not Work.
Now try to play nice with each other. Please?
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#422:
If you don’t believe that your consciousness can “just disappear”, then where was it for all those millions of years before you were born?
Where is it during the time of your dreamless sleep every night? Where is it during general anesthesia at the hospital? It’s GONE during those times because of the type of chemistry going on in your brain then. It will be gone again, forever, after you die, and you will then experience the same thing you experienced before you were born.
Personally, I’m looking forward to it because I’ll never again have to think about going to the dentist.
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#422 – A.D.
My dogs and cats have always given the impression of retaining their experiences: they have waited patiently by the door for me at the time I usually come home from work (how do they know?); they have recognised my family and friends – even after several months; they show their love and affection for their caring master. Will their furry little souls live on? Will their existence be for naught? My tropical fish, when they see me approach their tank, cluster excitedly ready for feeding – will “all the experiences they have, the things they learn” (swimming through that little divers legs) cease to be when they die? Where will their shiny little scaly souls go? Will they be flushed away for nothing? Those cute little Capuchin monkeys whose mothers care for them like humans; those little monkeys who learn to use tools so adeptly to crack their nuts – will their little hairy souls be no more? I refuse to believe that in the end, it’s all for nothing!
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# 424
I JUST admitted that Able Semen’s arguement was more logical than mine. I’m not claiming to be right about everything, or more logical than any of you. That’s why I’m respecting your beliefs and not shoving them on you. I started posting because I believe that what s.o.g. is doing is wrong. I kept posting because people kept questioning me. Critisize me if you want, I don’t care. If you respect my beliefs, I will respect yours. I am NOT like s.o.g. I’m not a christian, I’m not an athiest, I’m not an anything. I’m just a 17 year old from bum-fuck nowhere where there are more churches than restaurants.
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Look at the big picture. The residue of your experiences and knowledge are passed on to the next generation, and in combination with what they learn from all the stuff they (and those around them who have some affect on their lives) go through in life, the things they learn, are then passed on to their children……which in combination with their experiences and knowledge are passed on to the next generationect.ect. As a social animal, as a society, every individual, simply by their existence as a feeling, thinking (hopefully) part of that society contributes. That contribution may be small, large, good or bad ect., to a few (example family, close friends, co-workers), or to many. (think good/bad country leaders, great scientists, prominent philosophers, preachers)
We evolve as a society.
As a mental exercise, think about how if we lose someone we love, our experiences of that person remain with us and contribute/have contributed to what and who we are.
The crux of the matter is that the significance of your life, your influence (small or large) and what you leave behind is up to you…not some imaginary friend somewhere out there in the ether.
And…
– Douglas Adams
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