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I find your ‘religion’ extremely offensive you are clearly making a mockery of Christianity and I feel this is wrong. You should be ashamed of yourself!
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Actually and truthfully, I find christianity exceedingly offensive. Every time I see someone wearing a cross pendant around their neck I am disgusted. They might as well be wearing a Nazi swastika symbol.
RAmen
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What about all the religions that Christianity has mocked, put down, and killed?
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well your hatemail just goes to show that religions, no matter which one. NO RELIGION CAN ACCEPT ANOTHER. who the fuck are christians to say the islamic religion muslim’s wrong.. you’ve all got your heads stuck up your asses and cant except what somebody else puts their faith into.
SO FUCK ALL YOUR RELIGIONS, NONE OF THEM MAKE ANY SENSE TO ME. except FSM.
and the church of the flying spaghetti monster just goes to show you that what they can make up is just as logical as your own religions. ex: you make an argument of when pasta was created……but we say… FSM told man to create spaghetti and meatballs so everyone see’s him and your food represents FSM. and so he’s all around you. and that’s just as logical as your moses separating the sea
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Can anyone please explain to me why people’s religious beliefs need to be respected? I mean, I don’t mock Christian family members, but why so touchy? If I believed in the Easter Bunny, would everyone have to walk on eggshells around me when I praised and thanked my Furry Master before every meal? Would my anger at anyone doubting his existence be justified?
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Lol if the religion isn’t Christianity, it’s clearly harmful and mocking of Christianity, right?
Long live FSM. RAmen.
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All religions are obscene, offensive, and destructive. It’s pedantic merely to list their individual problems. A rational secular social structure is what we need in order to survive religion and it’s damage.
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I find your ‘religion’ offensive, it really annoys me when i walk down the street and people are screaming passages from the bible at me and telling me that if i pray a lot i will go to a magical place called heaven and if i dont blindly obey i will burn for all eternity in hell. Christians are offensive, to convert people work on your delivery.
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“This would be the best of all possible worlds if there were no religion in it”. John Adams, Founding U.S. President
“We discover in the Gospels a groundwork of vulgar ignorance, of things impossible, superstition, fanaticism, and fabrication”. Thomas Jefferson, Founding U.S. President
“A just government, instituted to secure and perpetuate liberty, does not need the clergy”. James Madison
“That’s something the apologists for faith need to learn, too: religion should be strong enough to stand against academic rudeness and mockery without this pathetic bleating for shelter from skepticism. It’s easy to be tolerant and civil when you’ve compelled everyone to be agreeable with you; the challenge is to do the same when you’re being denounced.”
P Z Myers
“How is it that hardly any major religion has looked at science and concluded, ‘This is better than we thought! The Universe is much bigger than our prophets said, grander, more subtle, more elegant. God must be even greater than we dreamed’? Instead they say, ‘No, no, no! My god is a little god, and I want him to stay that way.’” – Carl Sagan
RAmen
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How can we possibly be ashamed, when we’re so busy fondling HIS noodly appendages? Ooooh. Ahhhhh.
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Steve (#209) – that is just wrong.
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Cait – 211,
Doing what? All we do here is say things as they are. We expect the people who come here to be able to back up their claims. We ask for proof and offer fact. When we do it is called being condescending, intolerant, and critical. I was unaware that facts were offensive. I didn’t realize that asking for proof in an argument was intolerant. I think that is an interesting way to have a debate. Tell the other person they are wrong, expect that they will require no proof of your claim, and when they call you out on your lack of evidence scream “Intolerance! You cannot challenge religion!” I, personally, don’t buy that crap. So no, defending our positions with facts and evidence is not intolerant.
Oh, and by the way, there are plenty of Christians on this website who are aware of and fully support our purpose. So, we are not here to criticize Christianity, but it is interesting that those who think they are right and everyone who disagrees with them is wrong always conclude that we criticize Christians and are intolerant.
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@ 211 – Cait -,
This is our website, and we are fully justified in defending our cause. It is the exclusion of religious mythology from public school science curricula. Our theology is satire that depends on and
demeans no other faith or religion. You have obviously not read and understood both the Open Letter and the “About” tab material as you were directed when you entered this site.
You and your fictitious god and your book that you can’t read or understand, seriously overestimate your ability to frighten me.
Your delusions are not ours to defend, and you do not have the power to force everyone to stop laughing at you, as much as you’d like to be able to do that. And isn’t that what this is really about? That churches want to be able to punish you for disrespecting their sacred craziness?
The attached talk by Dr Andy Thomson tells us how our needs as helpless infants uses the same parts of the brain as our thoughts about the mythology of religion:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1iMmvu9eMrg
The fears and terrors of the unknown are powerful drivers in our need for superstition.
It says something about the idiocy of our age that one finds oneself having to come up with new arguments in favor of the thesis that anvils don’t float.
Goats on fire! Happy Monkey, 2010!
RAmen
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“I find your religion very offensive” welll ya know what? WE the PASTAFARIANS think that Christianity isa offensive. Do we go around threatening people to believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster or else they will go to hell? No. We stay in our own business and you stay in yours. RAmen and have a noodly day.
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Cait, no. If a parent hits their child for discipline, so hard that the child bruises, we call that abuse. A parent cannot say, “My religion tells me that I may hit my child this hard,” and then the rest of society simply accepts that explanation. At a certain point, it is right to demand evidence and it is wrong to say that “faith” is the answer to everything we can’t explain.
Demanding evidence is not a position of intolerance. Burning people at the stake, executing people in ovens, torturing those with whom we disagree, those are positions of intolerance. If I demand proof that bruising one’s child was morally consistent with human rights, I am not being intolerant of the parent’s religion. In this example, I am stating that human rights come first and disciplining a child comes second, no matter what one believes. The same goes for Biblical Creation, demanding proof is not intolerance. Here, the demand is for empirical or logical proof. Provide proof of the Bible’s fantastical claims and your religion will be embraced. Lacking proof, your religion is another belch of human fantasy.
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As much as I hate to say it, that John Adams quote is totally out of context. In context, he concludes by saying a world without religion would basically be hell. So, as much as I would like for him to have actually said that and meant it, it doesn’t really help things to misquote him here.
Please feel free to credit me with the misquoted version, if you like. I can’t back it up with any evidence, but when has that ever stopped a true believer? :)
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First of all- it’s not just making fun of Christians, dearie. Don’t flatter yourself.
And, Cait (211):
is asking for logic intolerant? Especially when it’s asking for logic IN A SCIENCE CLASS that is being demanded, here? I don’t know, but I was always under the delusion that logic ought to be included in a science class. Everything else can be put wherever (and no, that is not actually a crude reference, although I suppose that illogic can go there, too).
And pointing out criticisms isn’t intolerant, either. If I were to criticize the President for a few of his choices, nobody would say, “YOU’RE JUST INTOLERANT!”. It would be considered “being a good, intelligent citizen” of the United States. Criticizing religion when it pokes its illogical nose into the realm of logic is not intolerance, again. It is criticizing people for a few of their poor choices, and trying to defend America. Or whatever country. A President making a bad choice about who to go to war with, or what to do with the economy, is just as dangerous as teaching children that illogic is science. You don’t force teachers to teach kids alternatives to the theory of gravity, do you? Science sticks to the avaliable facts, not “what might be and some of us really really wish was”. Teaching children anything else jeopardizes science, and also our youth, and also our nation’s future. You can’t be an engineer who builds bridges our lives depend on and question the theory of gravity, and if you’re taught that theories “are only theories” and can be questioned if you have a really old book written by some random desert tribe that says so.
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I’m very happy for myself. When Jesus didn’t answer the phone, FSM came by and consoled me. It was warm in his noodly embrace… I cried for hours, even just remembering Jesus’ cold and jagged touch. I felt great glory and passion for being alive here on earth, to spread the word of the great straining and rinsing of man’s souls!
The sauce is just right for anyone, some it is sweet, some acidic, but to all it is perfection. If only you could feel his love, you would understand.
I spool my noodles for you, and wipe the holy sauce from my chin, and invite you to break garlic bread in the pot of our LORD!
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Can I just relate to the original message and say that Im not ashamed in any way
My 2 of my best friends are Christians and 1 has a Jewish grandfather, they know I’m a Pastafarian and have no problems with it
Your all just looking for something to pick on
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212 – pinataheart:
What is this wonderful religion you espouse on? Obviously not christianity as that simply requires that you believe that jesus is lord and died for our sins; islam requires adherence to many strict rules; judaism another load of strict ridiculous rules, etc. etc. What religion is yours? Are you the “soul” member? And your evidence for these religious beliefs is? How do you know how and why you go to your heaven or your hell?
I bet every single one of your subjective “personal experiences” could be explained away by science or as a mistake by your body’s sensory organs (hang on, that’s also science). There is no evidence of any supernatural event ever – nothing, zero, nowt.
I love the “At most you can know that there is some entity that can do strange things that are not yet explained by science and/or is themselves a strange thing that cannot be yet explained by science.” Just because you feel like you experienced something wonderful does not associate that event with a loving god or anything outside of science and nature. Over the thousands of years that man has considered his existence he has thought of events as beyond his knowledge (science): volcanoes, earthquakes, floods, eclipses, the stars and planets, the movement of the celestial sphere, the Earth at the centre of the universe, disease, the Auroras; you get the idea, the list goes on and on and on. All of these “supernatural” events have now been explained as natural events without any supernatural cause. Just give it time and any outstanding unexplained events (which for the life of me I can’t think of) will be removed from the realm of the unknown.
You say that a lot of religions have a spark of truth and beautiful stories – you obviously haven’t read the religious texts I have. The bible is full of hate and jealousy and revenge with the occasional strange ridiculous story thrown in (ditto the Qur’an and the Plates of Nephi). Even the touted “beautiful stories” usually have an edge to them outside of the oft quoted passages.
I think you will find that the underlying question of “what is right and what is wrong” is driven from the wrong standpoint. We always seem to be told that we should consider what is good for humanity as a whole but that is not necessarily what our existence here is all about.
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Oh, the poor Christians! Picked on by those nasty Pastafarians!
Hey, are these the same Christians who – in 19th century Italy – forcibly took a 6 year old Jewish boy away from his parents to raise as a Christian – simply because his slow-witted babysitter panicked when he fell sick and threw some water on him to baptize him so he wouldn’t go to hell for eternity if he died?
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@ -27160 ,
As believers feel free to make claims about the way the universe works, then they should be challenged on it. That’s what happens when you make truth claims. That your claims are hard to back up is unfortunate. You’re free to believe that the moon is made out of green cheese, but being free to believe that, doesn’t require that other people coddle that delusion.
It says something about the idiocy of our age that one finds oneself having to come up with new arguments in favor of the thesis that anvils don’t float.
Your delusions are not ours to defend, and you do not have the power to force everyone to stop laughing at you, as much as you’d like to be able to do that. And isn’t that what this is really about? That churches want to be able to punish you for disrespecting their sacred craziness?
“That’s something the apologists for faith need to learn, too: religion should be strong enough to stand against academic rudeness and mockery without this pathetic bleating for shelter from skepticism. It’s easy to be tolerant and civil when you’ve compelled everyone to be agreeable with you; the challenge is to do the same when you’re being denounced.”
P Z Myers
RAmen
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i find your “religion” extremely offensive in the way that it copies our teachings so closely but nowhere near as awesomly,
lest i point out 2 of the 3 primary colours are related to pasta, the sun is a yellow ball (like pasta) and the symbolism all around us, where as you believe in a religion that has been translated 5 times….about a man….who quite easily could have lied……i rest my case
RAman
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I need to tell you all, My Catholic and christian friends
And I hope Bobby publishes this one, cause I think you all need to hear
I spoke to a Deacon at my church about this, and I asked him how he felt we SHOULD react to this
Do you know what he said?
DON’T
None of us have the Theological background or know how of our religion or of facts to really defend ourselves. To come here and hate monger this site, however demeaning it may be, is just as bad. unless you are a theology professor, or the POPE, you have no way to sit here and throw around facts.
My deacon told me that if I want to defend my religion, I must first truly learn it. He said recite the ‘Our Father’, learn the meaning of every line, see what it means, and what it means to you. Apparently it took 700 years for the clergy to decide what it meant to them. So it will take you some time to even get an inkling of what it means to you.
To the idiots of my faith out there that think they actually believe in this, get your head checked at the closest hospital, k? Because you cannot fathom the idea of a JOKE
Yes they are mean and hateful at times, but for every one of them, we come at them with the same venom, I have seen the rabid Nature some of you have exuded towards these people
You only prove the point they are trying to make further by being so cruel and reckless.
You are not following in the way of Jesus if you call them inbred or retarded or anything else for that matter
And to the FSM faithful on here, by insulting the people that come on here and say they pray for you without malice you are doing exactly what you hate. Judging someone for their beliefs. You all want the catholic religion to understand you, you must then also lend the hand to understanding.
I welcome you to post this as a ‘hatemail’
I really want Fellow Catholics and Christians to know and understand what they are doing by being rude on this site
~Starsan
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