I find your ‘religion’ extremely offensive you are clearly making a mockery of Christianity and I feel this is wrong. You should be ashamed of yourself!
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An elaborate spoof on Intelligent Design, The Gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster is neither too elaborate nor too spoofy to succeed in nailing the fallacies of ID. It's even wackier than Jonathan Swift's suggestion that the Irish eat their children as a way to keep them from being a burden, and it may offend just as many people, but Henderson, described elsewhere as a 25-year-old "out-of-work physics major," puts satire to the same serious use that Swift did. Oh, yes, it is very funny. -- Scientific American
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You know, Cassandra’s post was pretty good. Maybe it should get its own place as a concerned criticism.
“Is this the best way you can find to make money? By preying on Atheists by insulting The Catholic or Christian faiths? You complain how discriminating and insulting the the faiths are, then you turn around and do the same? You want Catholics and Christians to be understanding? Perhaps you should practice what you preach.
No i am not one of those idiots that thinks you guys BELIEVE in this stupid fsm, I however find it degrading and insulting. Why? Because all I hear from people who hate my faith is how not understanding it is, how we are intolerant, how we put down other religions. Well isn’t that exactly what YOU are doing? Not only that, but ripping off people of their money as well.”
~~If you find this to be insulting, then it means we’ve done a wonderful job showing you a mirror of what your own faith is to us. Sucks, don’t it? But it’s only meant to appear that way on the outside, unlike your faith. And what’s with the “preying on Athiests”? I’ve only seen three instances in which the pastafarian faith asks their followers for money, and each is justified as being for a very specific purpose unlike the generic tithing given to church leaders to use with no questions asked. 1) There’s a big thing with pastafarians being involved in Kiva, but it’s DIRECTLY to charity, COMPLETELY optional, AND you get your money back. 2) Buying stuff from the online store. Which is you know, actually BUYING stuff that you want to get. 3) Donations to getting a floating church. We don’t need a freakin’ yacht or diamond cathedral, but we’d like to have at least ONE PHYSICAL church.
Until we get that physical church, this IS our church. This is our domain, and within it we are going to be very protective of our beliefs–even if they aren’t strictly theological. Telling off a pastafarian in here and meeting one on the street are two very different things, in the same way that a Christian would be much less tolerant of someone who disrupts a church sermon just to loudly proclaim that it’s all a big hoax. Fact is, we are more accepting. We maintain that religion is so irrelevant or unknowable that God might as well be a flying spaghetti monster, so we don’t mind people who hold a different personal belief of who/what god is but we DO care when someone decides that they can proclaim that belief to be absolute truth and hold everyone else to their messed up standards.
“yes YEARS ago, Christians did HORRIBLE things in the name of God, Years ago, THOSE people would deserve this ridicule. The ones that did something wrong. The ones that were fools for using something as wonderful as a deity to scare and torture people. There isn’t a single one I know today that has done anything like that. Why should I have to pay for others past sins?
White people years ago held slaves in America, does that mean because i am white, i should have to atone for the sins of past white people? No, that makes no sense, obviously. But that is the kind of logic you are sing with this silly website.”
~~No one here wants to make you “pay”, especially if you happen to be one of those few really nice Christians who are truly accepting and not just condescending. We do acknowledge that the world has come a long way from where it used to be as far as letting religion abolish all forms of forward thinking and personal culpability, we’re not downplaying that in the least. But there are still problems. ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4fQA9mt-Mg ) I, for example, hardly ever see any racial discrimination in person. But just because I’m terribly unobservant doesn’t change the fact that it’s there. I know it’s there, because I live in freakin’ Utah and my Mom comes home with stories every night about the discrimination cases that come up at the labor commision where she works.
“Its common knowledge the bible was tampered with by people. Obviously those who follow it word for word are gullible fools. Its a guideline, full of morals and stories to teach us right from wrong.
Wanna know why the Old testament was so violent? Cause the people back then only KNEW violence. Stories were passed from tribe to tribe by word of mouth. And these stories were to keep people in line during a time when order and peace wasn’t exactly rampant.”
~~Nobody denies the good things about faith–that it bring order to the chaos, provides answers, establishes guidelines for morality, and enables people to hope even when all seems hopeless–there is only argument that the bad often outweighs the good, or that religion is an unnecessary midway to achieving those goals.
“But for as many people that they killed, as many Christians WERE ALSO killed for believing. They were tortured and killed for believing in God and Jesus. How can you insult someone that had such strong faith they died horrible deaths rather than denounce it.”
~~I could say that I can insult the gullible fools for being brainwashed idiots, but I’m a better person than that. Its much more appropriate to say “those poor, unfortunate brainwashed idiots..”
“Save for zealots and cafeteria catholics, we do not do anything like that today. And might I add, to the people screaming, Waaah the world is cruel so there must be no God, waaah life is hard, bad things happen, where is God??? Hello, ever heard of free will? God gave us free will, to choose our own paths and our own fates. That also means that if we do something bad, He cannot swoop in to save the day. We cause the problem we have to fix it. Giving us free will means he cannot control or change what we do here. Its a duh factor here folks, you cannot have your cake and eat it too.”
~~I hope you weren’t trying to accuse us of screaming “Waah the world is cruel so there must be no God”.. It’s so infuriating when religious people try to ‘understand’ us by finding some instance in our lives that screwed us up at god. I don’t consider those who are athiest because God didn’t come to their rescue real athiests, I consider them theists throwing a temper tantrum like a little 2 year old. A real athiest doesn’t get angry at god, because god doesn’t EXIST!!!
“You want to have control over yourself and what you do and what you BELIEVE in, then you have to accept that God cannot just snap His fingers and make the world better. You have to learn to stop blaming the higher power and start looking in the mirror and around you for a solution.”
Exactly the belief of a real athiest, as it so happens. Are you sure you aren’t secretly one of them?
“You want religious people to be understanding and not intolerant, try doing the same, cause all you guys are doing, is making fools of yourselves.”
Emphasis on ~*Mirroring*~..
~Cassandra
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No one can insult the Church of SFM. FSM has brough light to my life.
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This is the best hate mail yet. It’s straightforward, has lowercase letters, and uses big words, like, “Mockery.”
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heres my conversation with a catholic on facebook. im robert, shes mel.Mel
cathilics are the best
7:43pmRobert
this is what im talking about.
plus if your a lutherin your not a catholic. a
7:44pmMel
that makes no since
7:44pmRobert
do you go to a lutherin church?
7:45pmMel
idk do i
7:45pmRobert
do you go to country bible?
7:45pmMel
no
7:46pmRobert
no cuz lutrherns belvie that to duh (i think)
thats what you commented
7:47pmMel
the belive the same as cahtlics
7:47pmRobert
your not catholic if your lutherin
your christan
not catholic
7:47pmMel
it is so close it is almost the same the masses are the same
7:48pmRobert
get your denominatinon right
jebus
7:48pmMel
christan is baptis, lurthen and chatlilic
duh
7:49pmRobert
lol, no baptist lutheren and catholic are all christan.
jez i know more about your religon than you do.
7:49pmMel
that is wht is said
7:50pmRobert
i was gonna say, thats messed up.
7:51pmMel
u are messed up
7:51pmRobert
yep because im not the same religon as you. that was our excuse for slavery. now look what youve dug your self into now.
7:52pmMel
u make no sence why dont u just shut the hell up
now
7:53pmRobert
that made perfect sence.
no thank you. you could just block/defriend me. lol.
7:54pmMel
fuck u bitch
7:54pmRobert
lol
now were cussing. thats nice
7:56pmMel
shut the hell up i do not care wht u say u are the one that stared all this with alexis and alexis is nice
7:56pmRobert
uhmmm. alexis is my friend im not makeing fun of her. im debating.
7:57pmMel
take ur 72 vergains and SHUT UP
7:57pmRobert
i can tell your REALLY NICE. im not muslim and no i wont die. im and atheist. stop haveing predjiduce against muslims.
8:01pmMel
so if u are not muslim wht are u
8:01pmRobert
i just said. wow.
8:01pmMel
and i am actully nice if u just shut up and talk nice to me i would talk nice to u
8:01pmRobert
mkkkayyyyyyy then…..
people who tell me to die i tend not to talk to.
8:02pmMel
yea shut up
i do not get mad easly only if u talk poorly about my freinds famliy or faith
8:02pmRobert
ok
8:03pmMel
yea shut up
8:03pmRobert
well then you shouldnt be predjiduce against others faith.
8:03pmMel
i am not u were being a jerk u said there is no heaven
8:03pmRobert
how is that being a jerk?
wow.
my step mom is cristan and she doesnt belive in heaven
8:04pmMel
u told me i am a predijude to other faith and u said there is no heaven that is wht u belive
8:04pmRobert
ok how is that being ajerk
8:05pmMel
shut up
8:05pmRobert
YOUR A JERK BECAUSE YOU THINK THERE IS A HEAVEN!!!!!
8:05pmMel
u are a jerk for think there is no heaven
8:05pmRobert
you havent said anything that will help you. your quesitning my belifs and im not cussing.
8:06pmMel
so u probly want to duh
8:06pmRobert
no actualy i dont
because im nice
8:06pmMel
i have so many people that will back me up i do not care wht u think
8:07pmRobert
well, you do that because you havent said anyhting subatntal to your argument.
8:08pmMel
i do not care wht u think why dont u just shut up
i am not talking to u cuz u are so annoying
8:08pmRobert
ok
8:08pmMel
yea annoying little alluh
8:09pmRobert
you talked to me!!!!!! and said something bad about allah. who is another religons god. now your questioning thier faith.
8:10pmMel
u are mulsim cuz only muslums belive in allah
gtg allah
8:10pmRobert
i dont belive in allah. i dont belive in any god. im athiest.
8:14pmMel is offline.
8:17pmMel is online.
8:17pmMel
i do not know wht that is
u said prasie allhah so that is wht mulusim say so…
8:18pmRobert
it was a joke to get people mad. wow. i dont belive in anything.
8:18pmMel
u should not say that jeez
seirra cused u out taday because of that duh
she was the one that went up to u after school
8:19pmRobert
well thanks for telling me! i was wondering what she was talking about!
but you shouldnt get mad because its a religon jsut like yours.
8:20pmMel
yea so do not joke about faith people get very mad like me and sierra
8:20pmRobert
in fact allah is the same person as your god.
8:20pmMel
i do not go aroung saying praise the lord
no he is not
8:20pmRobert
yes he is. its jsut a different religon based on him
8:20pmMel
because when i die i do not have 72 virgains o and i do not want that
8:21pmRobert
THATS A MINOR DETAIL! JESUS H CHRIST!!!!!!!! ITS THE SAME PERSON NOT RELIGON!!!!!!!
and thats what you do, go around saying praise the lord
8:21pmMel
wht ever
i am chatlic and i do not care wht u think of chatlis because there is more than half the grade
yea i do but not on the enternet
8:23pmRobert
its like you people think your religon is the only one in the world and you hate people from other religons! you should start a mini holocaust!
come on, TORTURE ME!!!!!
see how stupid her points are?
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Go on what parts I mean is it the pasta or is the noddles or is it the pirates that are offensive or is it because you have been too lazy to actually read the whole thing your little mind has failed to understand the obvious – The Church of the FSM is a cunning Tax dodge so that Bobby Henderson can build a pirate ship to sail the 7 seas, create cloning technology to clone dinosaurs and possibly get lots of scantly dressed girls to worship him and cater to his every whim.
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OLOLOLOLOOOLOLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOL i am EASILY ENTERTAINED
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Let’s all just step back a bit and remember, this is not a mockery or ridicule of christianity, or any other religion for that matter, it is a mockery of ‘Inteligent Design’, which by the decree of its proponants is ‘not’ a religion nor does it suggest the involvement of a ’supernatural’ creator, that is the whole sneeky part about it; therefore all the christians (lower case c intended) that rant on about it are missing the point on a number of levels. This is a great site, I love the hate mail and yes, I am an atheist-rapidly becoming an ‘anti-theist’ as I see more and more evidence of the damage religion does to the minds of otherwise bright, intelligent people, the number of infant schools that are affiliated to religion – Such and Such Roman Catholic School an So and So Church of England School, makes my blood run cold and sends a genuine shiver of fear through me as I think of the innocent and open minds of the children that will be dammed, possibly forever by fear and superstition by the state sponsored mind control that is the church schooling system here in the UK. Tellingly, all the church schools are infant schools (age 5-7), the younger the child is, the more impressionable the mind is; never does one see Church of England Secondary Schools or Roman Catholic Colleges. By all means teach children ‘about’ religion (as opposed to religious dogma), by all means allow them access to the bible and importantly, other religious writings, but let them also have access to the works of Darwin and Dawkins and other sane and grounded writers so as to afford them a balanced view and give them the knowledge and guidence they need to make up their own minds. However, under no circumstances should ID and the young impressionable mind come together. I know that it has been said a million times before but the dangers that await the susceptible mind when religious dogma is presented as science cannot be understated, one can see the effects of shutting out reason at an early age just by reading the iliterate rants in these pages; I usually laugh but sometimes I am honestly and profoundly sad for the wonderful, fragile, beautiful life that is wasted by people in the futile anticipation of something better to come – please, please please make the most of what you have now…
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C’mon, seriously? The Christian’s best defense is always the “my religion is right and yours is wrong” bullshit. Most of us (I hope more than not) don’t actually believe we were created by a FSM, but are just saying we do to shove it in your Christian faces. If there’s anything the Christians have ever shown the world, it is that any retard (Bobby’s not retarded I know, I’m just making an example) can create their own retarded religion. There is absolutely nothing the Christians, Jews, or any other religion for that matter, can say to us Pastafarians that isn’t also true for them (assuming, of course, it’s in the form of a negative comment). Someone calls us retards for believing in a FSM, it’s just as bad as the Christian’s “virgin birth” bullshit. Our religion makes as much sense as anybody’s. Christians are always prancing around believing their right and everyone else is wrong, but where’s your proof? That’s right, you have none, so please get the fuck out of our faces.
I encourage all bullshit religionists and also Pastafarians to email me at z3r0t@hotmail.com and send me their hate/love mail :). I can’t wait to hear your bullshit.
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To those of other religions (and non-religions), I would like to represent my religion as being understanding, like myself. I don’t believe that “my religion is the only right religion”, and I don’t intend or try to push Christianity onto others. I respect everyone’s beliefs as I would hope they respect mine. We are all intitled to our opinions and beliefs, which is why I am not offended by this site. In fact, I don’t believe anyone should be offended by it. If there are people who believe in this FSM, then all the more to them, and for those who don’t and simply laugh at the idea, the more to them as well. But I would like to say one thing about the tithing. I am a firm believer in tithing. My grandparents taught me to give 10% of everything I earn to God, because in our belief, he is ultimately the one who gave us the abilities and skills to earn it. That doesn’t necessarily mean it has to go to the church (in my opinion). It can go to a new Bible, or some kind of representation of God (a cross necklace or decoration of God-”the last supper” clocks/decorations, or angel figurines) to put up inside of your home. Or if you have a small private shrine in your home (like my parents did), and decide to learn about God yourself rather than attend church (because it isn’t mandatory to go to church in order to be a Christian), you can keep 10% of your earnings in that specific room and ensure that it is never touched, that can be concluded as tithing.
I actually believe that some religions are basically the same as Christianity with different names for the ultimate being/creator and a different form of worshipping him/her.
I don’t expect everyone to agree with me, in fact, I appreciate those who don’t because it shows just how differently we all have been made in God’s image (IMO).
So to those who believe in anything and nothing, follow your own hearts and don’t try to push your feelings/thoughts/beliefs/ideas onto anyone else, especially when your “facts” are mere opinions. And to my fellow Christians, have some dignity and represent our religion the way God intended, don’t try and take matters into your hands and end up making us look bad.
Thanks,
Kira
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I must say, I came back on to see if anyone had noticed my response to this hate mail. I was shocked by the number of people that responded. I am honest on that
There was one gentleman who gave a reasonable response, some who responded slightly reasonable, and some that bit my head off
I have to thank all of you for taking the time to actually read, dissect, and acknowledge what I wrote, whether we have religious/belief differences or not
While i yes still find this website insulting, I concede I let my anger get the better of me and did contradict myself at one or two points
If any of you responded to my comment angrily, well I’m sorry, but how did it feel to have something you find awesome attacked?
didn’t feel good did it?
Also, to those that complained about some of the intolerance in the Bible, I am pro Gay marriage and relationships, and I believe God does not limit himself, but rather chooses to let us limit or not limit ourselves. I also believe that being a Good person and not douche in life is what gets you to heaven, not just following and believing in God
Its all in perception kiddies, which some of you obviously did not understand when I wrote that
I did read the background on this site, and I found it silly and a little out of hand over one schools demands, While I did not agree with the schools demands, I feel this site is Overly Overboard.
And to those asking how does it rip people off, By preying on what most people come here to do and discuss, their Hate towards God and The Faiths connected to Him. That is how I meant preying on them, k?
Also, I know this site was not about slavery, I used that, as an example
Just remember one last thing folks, When you are in a desperate or a life threatening situation, whos the First person you cdall, hmmm?
As my father would say,
There is no such thing as an Atheist in a Foxhole
Good day to you all,
if you want to contact me directly, you may email me at ladystarsan@yahoo.com
~Cassandra
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PP Denigration of other belief systems is not the way FSM intends us to spread our one true word.
Also you shouldnt have mentioned the tax minimization funding of Bobbies ‘waterborne anti-climate change initiative’. However unlikely, people with Intelligence Deficiencies might notice.
CT What do you mean ‘was’ ?
The Reverand Tony Rigatoni; KUDOS to you.
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA im sorry but comment 162 is soooooo true lol omfg u christiaans and your stupid bulshit god!! “virgin birth” and the christiaan god is such a damn hippocrit , isnt one of his 10 commandments “tho shall not kill” and they the fucking retard have the flood killing billions of people and more than trillions of animals , and he created the devil to bring evil into this world and he thinks he has the right who decides who goes to hell and who goes to heaven… excuse me but. HES THE FUCKER THAT MAKES YOU SUFFER and honestly this FSM religion is the most believable religeon i have ever seen in my life , screw your bullshit god FSM is the way to go =] my email is Dave_waffles@yahoo.com if you wish to mail me and of your bullshit so go suck a cock u christiaans , oh wait i forgot god created homosexuality and then said that its a bad think HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA enjoy ur bullshit bible =]
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thank you Bobby. My sentiments exactly.
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I was born in the fifties, baptised and raised a Roman Catholic in the Netherlands. It all changed in 1968. If a was born in Ireland, Italy or Croatia, I might have a different opinion. But the Dutch are so perverted….People are an evil race, even new-born babies are sinners, because Adam ate from the tree of Knowledge. If they’re not baptised their souls would go to hell. That’s what I learned and it doesn’t seem right, not in 1968, and not now. God send his son to us to get killed to save our sinfull lives. I’m a father of a son and a daughter: it’s sickening, it’s horrible.
When I was a kid I went to church every sunday. They ate the flesh, and drank the blood of Christ, who saved us. I thought it was symbolic, but no: the holy Church teaches that it’s for real. It’s cannibalism. I’m not joking.
Through the ages Christians have been more interested in saving souls that people. Islam spread throughout the world by fire and blood, but like Christianity and Judaïsm (read the Old Testament) also.
And now. Christian fundamentalists in the US threw bombs on cities in Irac, they have no problems in mass-distruction weapons, but they saven unborn lives by bombing abortion-clinics.
Ramen
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For the last freaking time, we are not attacking your religion. You may not have a problem with Christian indoctrination and pseudo science being taught in our schools, but we do.
Here is a fact. This country was not founded on Christianity. You can read the Treaty of Tripoli for that. Our non-Christian founding fathers (and yes, they were not Christians, they were deists if not atheists) did not want our country to become of one religion so that we don’t turn into a country run by a religion. Iran is one of those countries. Do you like the idea of a religion telling you how to vote, beating people up in the streets for not voting the right way, and people who differ religiously killed for it? And since you are “pro-gay” as you say, then how about any homosexual that comes out in Iran being killed… Oh wait. There are no gays in Iran… If that type of system works for you, then move to Iran and put you out of our misery.
Since we are not a religious nation no student should ever be taught religious indoctrination in a government run educational institution. Nor should they be presented with an idea that has no basis in facts other than a book that was written hundreds of years after Jesus existed (if he ever actually did exist, and you can’t really prove that either). Your idea is one religion’s idea of how the world was created. If you think intelligent design should be taught in schools, then we should also teach that the world was created by Atum and Khepri (according to the Egyptians), or how chaos reigned in the beginning and out of that chaos was born love, light, and Gaea came after that (according to the Greeks)… Those are just 2 of the hundreds of creation stories that are out there. And again, since we are not a Christian nation, then the government cannot endorse the teaching of ID because that would mean that it is endorsing one particular religion’s idea on how the earth was created. That is a problem, because there is this small thing called the separation of church and state. Teach it all or teach none of it.
I am an atheist. I am ridiculed and condemned for my beliefs. I have been in the foxhole. I have been sick, my husband has been sick, my father-in-law has died from a long term illness, my mother and I do not speak (partially because I am an atheist… interesting show of Christianity), and not once have I needed, or wanted, to turn to your god. He doesn’t exist. If you need god to feel better about yourself and your life, then fine. Use the (extremely convenient) crutch. There are quite a few people who do not need it, want it, and shouldn’t be forced to listen to your religious dribble.
Don’t make broad spectrum statements saying that we will all of a sudden become believers in this nonexistent god just because something bad happens. If any of us do, then shame on us.
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Oh, and Cassandra,
No comment on the perfect being/free will argument (comment 106)? Pity. I am interested to hear your thoughts.
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Cassandra, if i were in a stick situation id call the ghostbusters, but that wont happen because his noodlyness watches over me. :)
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D&WC (#170): You brought up quite a point about “foxhole conversions”. I’ve always found it cowardly of those who get more religious the older they get. I pray (pun intended) I don’t hedge my bets at the last minute by pretending to believe in something repudiated for some many decades.
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FINALLY, someone who realizes when people are being tounge in cheek! But, Miss or Mister 27160, don’t seek out the people mocking your religion and you won’t find them, we have our corner to be naughty in and you have yours to be good in and no one interacts with one another and it’s like one big Brady Bunch, if the parents got a divorce.
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Some people find Christianity offensive.
There are some sexy girls who are Christians, though, like to give ‘em good going over, too.
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Here’s a few major points:
Exhibit A) Jesus was a Jew.
Exhibit B) Ten commandments much?
Exhibit C) Which religion came first?
Exhibit D) ZOMFG, Einstein was a Jew AND a scientist?!?! NOWAI!
Exhibit E) Ever heard of metaphors? Most of religions are made of those.
Exhibit F) You’re missing proper punctution so no one with half a brain is going to listen to you.
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why is making a mockery of chehristianity wrong? if you don’t like us, then go away, and refuse to get touched by His great noodly appendage. Pasta is holy and there is no denying that.
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@ 177 – dani -,
Clearly you have come to our website looking for a fight. As 178 – Say wha? – just below you has said, you have your places, and this one is ours. If you are offended, please meditate on how much death and misery The Church has caused all by itself:
The Crusades
The Inquisition
The enslavement and conquest by disease of indigenous people everywhere
I’ve attached a link to a talk by Dr. Andy Thomson who discusses measurements that correlate neuroscience to human religious needs and brain responses. Let’s listen to it carefully and critically:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1iMmvu9eMrg
It seems to me that it correlates our physiological needs as helpless infants with our psychological fears as adults as far as MRI brain activity is concerned.
RAmen
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Attn: #161 – The Reverand Tony Rigatoni – Oct 9th, 2009
Re: Religious Schools
Quote “”..all the church schools are infant schools (age 5-7),” “…never does one see Church of England Secondary Schools or Roman Catholic Colleges”
Sorry, at least in Australia there are many Secondary religious schools up to Year 12.
I found the religous instruction a bit of a pain at times, but we don’t have the date you guys have.And all out textbooks had evolution. I don’t particularly remember it being taught. (left at year 10)
Do you think Vegemite and pasta might go together. I could start a new sect of Pastafarianism!
Ra’men, Amen, Shalom, Salaam etc
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Well, we read, think about things, and give our opinion. It’s how we roll.
From Cassandra: “There was one gentleman who gave a reasonable response”
Probably not me.
From Cassandra: “some who responded slightly reasonable”
Probably not me.
From Cassandra: “and some that bit my head off”
Yeah, this was probably me. I do tend to get heated when talking politics and religion. Probably why I try not to most of the time.
From Cassandra: “I have to thank all of you for taking the time to actually read, dissect, and acknowledge what I wrote, whether we have religious/belief differences or not”
Well, you were more courteous than many, although you tend to let anger and fear control your beliefs.
From Cassandra: “While i yes still find this website insulting, I concede I let my anger get the better of me and did contradict myself at one or two points”
Or three, or four, or many…
From Cassandra: “If any of you responded to my comment angrily, well I’m sorry, but how did it feel to have something you find awesome attacked? didn’t feel good did it?”
You might not believe this, but it’s actually fairly commonplace for atheists and other non-Christians to have their beliefs assailed by Christians, or at the least, ignored.
From Cassandra: “Also, to those that complained about some of the intolerance in the Bible, I am pro Gay marriage and relationships, and I believe God does not limit himself, but rather chooses to let us limit or not limit ourselves. I also believe that being a Good person and not douche in life is what gets you to heaven, not just following and believing in God”
Well, that’s good for you, Cassandra, but understand that a rather large percentage of your fellow Christians (if indeed you can truly call yourself a Christian) disagree with you. Also according to most of these brethren of yours, the only way to get to heaven is belief in Jesus Christ as the son of God. In that respect, you are not a Christian, at least in their eyes.
From Cassandra: “Its all in perception kiddies, which some of you obviously did not understand when I wrote that”
What’s all in perception?
From Cassandra: “I did read the background on this site, and I found it silly and a little out of hand over one schools demands, While I did not agree with the schools demands, I feel this site is Overly Overboard.”
It wasn’t the demand of one school. It was the Board of Education for the entire state of Kansas. And they aren’t the only ones who have tried, or have succeeded, with respect to implementing these types of rules. This type of thing pops up in Texas and Florida pretty regularly. It actually hurts the students in the affected schools, because these kids don’t get a chance to really learn what science is, when they have authority figures telling them that Intelligent Design is science. Understand that, under oath, major champions of the ID movement have testified that their “theory” can’t make scientific predictions, which is the prime method you use when identifying a scientific theory.
From Cassandra: “And to those asking how does it rip people off, By preying on what most people come here to do and discuss, their Hate towards God and The Faiths connected to Him. That is how I meant preying on them, k?”
That may be what you meant. You have yet to explain how this represents Bobby Henderson preying on us. Is he luring us in here unwittingly? Is he lying about the purpose of this site? Is this a nefarious scheme of his to raise money for a sailboat for his own personal use? Present a theory explaining how we are being rooked, and we can discuss it.
From Cassandra: “This site was not about slavery, I used that, as an example”
No. You were creating an analogy between Christians and whites, vis a vis despicable practices by their predecessors. The difference is, of course, and in case it hasn’t been pointed out to you previously, that Christians, like all other religions, continue to this day to persecute people of other faiths, for precisely that reason. And I mean persecute. Not taunting, teasing, mocking, and whole other loads of things that might be distasteful, crass, and generally in poor taste. I mean killing, raping, and all sorts of things that get you hauled in front of judges. You speak a pretty good game regarding tolerance, and getting people to get along, by finding common ground. Well, the basic common ground of all religions is that, when given the excuse, they kill people of differing faith. It was true 5,000 years ago, and it’s true today.
From Cassandra: “Just remember one last thing folks, When you are in a desperate or a life threatening situation, whos the First person you cdall, hmmm?”
Depending on the situation, a taxi or a lawyer. And to be clear, I have faced devastation in my personal life; specifically, the loss of a brother due to an uncontrollable infection stemming from his habitual drug use, which put a severe strain on my family for 15 years. I was the last family member to see him alive. I was the person who handled all the arrangements for the disposition of his remains. And I can say with certainty that not once did the thought, “Oh God, please help me” (or any such variant that Christians seem fond of insisting will happen) cross my mind.
From Cassandra: “As my father would say,
There is no such thing as an Atheist in a Foxhole”
I’ve known atheists who have literally been in foxholes. Your father is wrong.
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I support Sean Boyd’s final comment. I was in combat as an infantryman carrying a BAR, and I saw a hell of a lot of “atheists in foxholes.” I was the agnostic-leaning-toward-atheism in a foxhole. That old cliche about “no atheists in foxholes” is crap.
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ATSAP REVOL, Korean War Veteran
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*152 G-d
I must admit that to my mind spaghetti with cottage cheese, cinnamon and brown sugar sounds a bit heretical to me. When my mother worked in a fish and chip shop during WW2 she used to serve fish and chips to American servicemen: they seemed to like jam on theirs (a scarce commodity) so I suppose I have to allow for cultural differences. Personally I like cheese sandwiches with honey so I suppose I might be offending the Curdled Cow Juice god. I will sacrifice some long life milk to Hathor just in case :)
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@Sean Boyd: I thought your response to Cassandra was extraordinarily well-stated and more reasonable than you were willing to give yourself credit for. A point that bears emphasis, however, is that (from my perspective) the FIRST secular position of Pastafarianism is to keep religious nuttiness from being taught as science – at least in state-supported schools. Evangelical Christians seem to be far and away our most obnoxious opponents there. Only the SECOND position is that, if religious nuttiness is to be taught, then OUR nuttiness deserves equal time. Any evangelical who arrives on the website wanting to argue that his nuttiness is better has, a priori, ipso facto, and nunc dimmitus, lost his argument – thru stupidity and – more pitiably – a complete lack of a sense of humor. [Not all Christians are stupid, of course, but nobody identifying himself as a Jesuit, for example, has posted here, to my uncertain knowledge. That may prove that Jesuits, besides being very bright, also have a tremendous sense of humor, BTW.] I just worry that actually dignifying a pro-Christian argument with a pro-Pastafarian argument in respoonse cedes ground to Evangelical Whackos in the same way. But you argue so well that maybe it’s OK, LOFLMAO.
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R’amen
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“I have to thank all of you for taking the time to actually read, dissect, and acknowledge what I wrote, whether we have religious/belief differences or not
If any of you responded to my comment angrily, well I’m sorry, but how did it feel to have something you find awesome attacked?
didn’t feel good did it?”-Cassandra
Thank you Cassandra for your generally reasonable response here. For a better understanding of how we FSMists feel when something we think is awesome is attacked please read the top of this page, namely the message telling us we should be ashamed for our beliefs, and ideally a lot of the rest of the ‘Hate Mail and Concerned Criticism’ section – the entire large section consists of attacks on our faith, our prophet, and ourselves as practitioners, mostly from self-professed Christians. If you do I’m sure you’ll see that rather than getting offended, angry, and self-contradictory, we instead usually dissect the claims made against FSMism in a historically informed, tongue-in-cheek fashion, usually by contrasting them with the beliefs of those attacking ours. It’s intellectual self-defence, not attacks, and we respond with laughter not threats.
Also, please don’t disparage our beliefs by claiming they’re nothing more than an attack on a different religion – to us that’s much like saying Christianity is just an attack on other religions, only slightly worse because FSMism discourages dogma and pushing your beliefs on others whereas the Bible is very insistent that Christianity is the one true faith.
Also, don’t worry G_d, eating spaghetti is A-OK by FSMism – it’s what it’s there for after all – and even if it weren’t the FSM is very forgiving and basically just wants people to get along and be nice to each other. It’s a bit like Christianity in that regard except without the eternal torture in Hell, the brutal killing of its central religious figure to forgive inherited transgressions, and the centuries of historical murder. :-)
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that’s interesting… I have never had a problem with criticizing christianity. It is an unnecessary waste of resources and space. Moreover, it has caused the deaths of millions.
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How dare you mock his holy Noodliness. I find it ofensive that you do not recognize all he has done for you. You ignorant heathen. But do not worry the great FSM forgives you tormented soul. RAmen I say to you! LONG LIVE THE PASTA AND LONG LIVE PASTAFAREISM!
P.S. our preists do not touch little boys.
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Ahah
I find your ‘comment’ extremely offensive you are clearly making a mockery of pastafariism and I feel this is wrong. You should be ashamed of yourself!
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“The irony of religion is that because of its power to divert man to destructive courses, the world could actually come to an end. The plain fact is, religion must die for mankind to live. The hour is getting very late to be able to indulge having in key decisions made by religious people. By irrationalists, by those who would steer the ship of state not by a compass, but by the equivalent of reading the entrails of a chicken. George Bush prayed a lot about Iraq, but he didn’t learn a lot about it. Faith means making a virtue out of not thinking. It’s nothing to brag about. And those who preach faith, and enable and elevate it are intellectual slaveholders, keeping mankind in a bondage to fantasy and nonsense that has spawned and justified so much lunacy and destruction. Religion is dangerous because it allows human beings who don’t have all the answers to think that they do. Most people would think it’s wonderful when someone says, “I’m willing, Lord! I’ll do whatever you want me to do!” Except that since there are no gods actually talking to us, that void is filled in by people with their own corruptions and limitations and agendas. And anyone who tells you they know, they just know what happens when you die, I promise you, you don’t. How can I be so sure? Because I don’t know, and you do not possess mental powers that I do not. The only appropriate attitude for man to have about the big questions is not the arrogant certitude that is the hallmark of religion, but doubt. Doubt is humble, and that’s what man needs to be, considering that human history is just a litany of getting shit dead wrong. This is why rational people, anti-religionists, must end their timidity and come out of the closet and assert themselves. And those who consider themselves only moderately religious really need to look in the mirror and realize that the solace and comfort that religion brings you comes at a horrible price. If you belonged to a political party or a social club that was tied to as much bigotry, misogyny, homophobia, violence, and sheer ignorance as religion is, you’d resign in protest. To do otherwise is to be an enabler, a mafia wife, for the true devils of extremism that draw their legitimacy from the billions of their fellow travelers. If the world does come to an end here, or wherever, or if it limps into the future, decimated by the effects of religion-inspired nuclear terrorism, let’s remember what the real problem was. We learned how to precipitate mass death before we got past the neurological disorder of wishing for it. That’s it. Grow up or die.”
-quote from Religulous
No, not all Christians are not intolerant. All atheists are not intolerant. Generalizations like that promote even more ignorance. All faiths are to be respected equally, even if not agreed with.
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Sorry, I meant not all Christians are intolerant. Not all atheists are intolerant.
The people who ARE intolerant are douchebags!
Please excuse me for my intolerance. ;)
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“How dare you mock his holy Noodliness. I find it ofensive that you do not recognize all he has done for you.” (John #190)
I know! If it was not for the FSM, you would be flying off into space. Be grateful infidel!
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I have just heard about the religion, Pastafarism, and quite frankly, I think its equally as crazy as Christian beliefs, and any of the other religions out there. Who can say their religion is “the right one?” As to the issue about it being taught in schools, I don’t think any religion should be taught in schools (except for colleges). The Constitution of the United States states that church and government are separate. Schools are run and paid for by governments (with the exception of private schools.) If you don’t like it, enroll your child in a private school, or teach them whatever religion you want to at home, or get out of the country!
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He finds our “religion” extremely offensive… Do you have an idea how many people find *your* religion extremely offensive? And yet you don’t seem that ashamed about it.
When *your* religion is touched, you shout about freedom of religion. When you touch our religion, that’s OK.
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I find that your religion makes a mockery of common sense and logic.
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