Do you really think you’ll get your point across by creating a fake religion?
The reason why Mythology is taught in schools is to enrich our knowledge of cultures that existed way before your ancestors were born. There’s a similar reason as to why religion is taught, those who don’t believe in it, can just go along and learn the views that people had hundreds of years ago, again it enriches them by showing them why others believe.
I find that the church of The FSM is a big joke, no it wasn’t found such a long time ago, you dweebs, I can’t believe there were people who actually considered believing that. Did you, for one second, think that MAYBE just MAYBE your insulting a large group of people out there, that they will be deeply hurt because of your sick ingorance towards basic facts.
And what’s up with the website? Dude, do you not have a life? Shouldn’t you be studying if you’re in college, at least.
I”m not going to say that you’re in my prayers and that crap, because you aren’t, and all those people who said you were in their prayers lied to you, because they probably forgot all about it when they navigated from the page, that’s the type of impact you’re making on the world.
Well, what can I say, it IS your time to waste. Have fun, if it makes you happy.
~ Stela~
your movement is pointless
Published by Bobby Henderson July 7th, 2009 in Hate Mail (and concerned criticism). 186 Comments
186 Responses to “your movement is pointless”
I love it when people’s messages asking “do you think a fake religion will prove your point?” prove his point.
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Hey Stela. Your post is completely pointless, apart from making me grin at your ignorance of basic facts.
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People have ALWAYS tried to get their point across by creating fake religions – just look at judaism, islam and christianity etc. etc.
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Hi Stella,
The difference between Mythology and Religion being taught in schools is that religion is often taught as truth to impressionable, immature minds. Religion today and religion hundreds of years ago are also very different; teaching one does not mean teaching the other. When I was taught religion at school I was being told to believe in what I see as lies and dogmatic immorality; it is wrong!
I’m glad you find the FSM a big joke; that’s what it was always meant to be. Although I’m not sure you’re bright enough to fully appreciate the punchline; that those being insulted are offended by a belief system as unsupportable and morally less bankrupt than their own.
Your final ad hominem attacks against Bobby show your true inability to argue rationally. Keep your prayers; they’d be worthless from someone as angry and bitter as yourslef anyway.
Thanks for wasting your time with us! Hopefully you’ll come back with some intelligent and reasoned points worth discussing.
Dan
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Putting the word ‘fake’ before the word ‘religion’ is like putting ‘hot’ before ‘fire’ or ’stupid’ before ‘creationist’.
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Well,you wasted your time by posting here but I spread the glorious word by replying,so who’s time is wasted?
May the Sauce be with you.
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In response:
Yes we are doing a great job of getting our point across. The point is science is not religion and religion is not science. It is OK to learn about views people had hundreds of years ago. Views like; “The earth is the center of the universe cause god made it that way” and “That woman’s baby got sick but then got better. Let’s kill her for she is a witch.”
The Church of the FSM is a big joke. And a funny one. I’m sorry you’re too dense to get it. Try exploring the site for more than five seconds and you might enjoy it. You post lacks the usual spelling and grammar errors so we can see you’re not a total idiot. As far as insulting a bunch of people, I you all believed your almighty god to be above reproach so don’t worry about it, but if you are still worried about it maybe you need to take a second look at your religion if it is so easy to attack.
And what’s up with going to church every Sunday? Shouldn’t you be doing some chores or learning to wash yourself correctly?
I don’t doubt that all the people who said we were in their prayers lied to us. Christians deal in lies often. I’m glad I’m not in your prayers but if you change your mind, it IS your time to waste so have fun.
Peace,
The Danimal
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I’m sorry, I guess I didn’t get enough Christianity pushed on me when I was little. Gotta do it in schools now too.
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Hey Stela, glad to see you wasted your time too.
Fun, isn’t it?
And on the subject of insulting people, go fuck yourself.
Now jog on.
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Stela, having read you post, it strikes me that you could have just said the last bit ‘have fun if it makes you happy’. That seem to be the more Christian response (love thy neighbour, do unto others, live and let live etc etc). That way we would have said ‘thanks, and the same to you’ and everyone would be happy. Instead, we just think you’re an idiot.
May His Noodly Appendage seek you oput and bring you tolerance.
RAmen
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“I find that the church of The FSM is a big joke…”
Correct! And yet you seem to miss the very joke you just recognized. How is that possible?
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Especially protestant christianity!
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Stella your post demonstrates anger and hatred. Did you learn that in church?
You could use a dictionary to learn proper spelling. While you are there look up the word irony. Your spelling and grammar are atrocious. Yes, look that one up too. We will wait. :-)
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Wait… I’m confused. If Religion is taught so that non-believer can find out the lines and parrot along… why are there so many believers in it? Heck, the Pope has a PhD in Religion… Is he not a believer, who took the classes so he could know when and what to say?? And if it’s soley about learning what people centuries ago thought and believed, woulden’t a History class be better? People who lived centuries ago did leave journals and diaries and recorded events, you know…
I agree with you, though. The website is fundamentally flawed. ~ Stela~ here is about the thirtieth troll to come down the line and NOT be able to find the open letter. Maybe if you made the link in 80-point, blinking font?
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Just as Jesus would have said.
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I love this letters always great fun. I specially like the “sick ignorance towards basic facts” what facts ?
“I find that the church of The FSM is a big joke” No shit Sherlock ! LOL
but at least she is honest about the prayers part :)
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I find it both depressing and ironic that this post is completely pointless.
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Don’t look now, Stela, but the Pastafarians DID get their point across by preventing the Mythologists from foisting their unfounded beliefs on school children as science.
There was a cult that believed they’d be whisked away to a spaceship behind a comet after they castrated and killed themselves. Would you want THEIR beliefs taught in schools?
P.S. What “basic facts” are you talking about, Stela? What are we sickos so ignorant of? Name one – that’s right, ONE – give us ONE – fact that justifies ANY religious belief, aside from “do unto others as you would have them do unto you”.
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“Do you really think you’ll get your point across by creating a fake religion?”
No, no I don’t. I believe too many of the people who this is aimed are too entrenched in their own backwards beliefs to listen to hear any argument we might use. This is just my favorite way so far because it has pasta and pirates.
“The reason why Mythology is taught in schools is to enrich our knowledge of cultures that existed way before your ancestors were born. There’s a similar reason as to why religion is taught, those who don’t believe in it, can just go along and learn the views that people had hundreds of years ago, again it enriches them by showing them why others believe.”
Woah, where is this coming from exactly? I wouldn’t argue against the world’s various beliefs being taught about in schools, because there is a lot of culture and understanding that comes from it. (Notice that I said being taught ABOUT, not TAUGHT or PREACHED.) But that’s an argument for History and Geography classes, not for science.
“I find that the church of The FSM is a big joke, no it wasn’t found such a long time ago, you dweebs, I can’t believe there were people who actually considered believing that. Did you, for one second, think that MAYBE just MAYBE your insulting a large group of people out there, that they will be deeply hurt because of your sick ingorance towards basic facts.”
No, we didn’t realize that we might have stepped on a few toes when we parodied a MAJOR WORLD RELIGION. Oh no, we never considered that when we force someone to take look at a mocking picture of the fallacies of their belief system, it might rattle them up a bit. And even with all those ridiculous cult followers out there, we never thought that there might be a few people crazy enough to literally believe our joke. Gosh darn, it’s going to be hard to separate all those people from the numbers of us who ironically pretend to follow the teachings of the FSM with their entire being to prove the ridiculousness even further. (And in case the humor is too subtle, I am in fact being SARCASTIC in this paragraph!)
“I”m not going to say that you’re in my prayers and that crap, because you aren’t, and all those people who said you were in their prayers lied to you, because they probably forgot all about it when they navigated from the page, that’s the type of impact you’re making on the world.”
Finally, someone who gets just how hollow and insulting any prayer on our behalf to YOUR god is. I feel so much safer knowing that my name will reach such nonexistent ears of the sadistic, loving, distant, ever-present, intolerant, self-contradictory Judeo-Christian God one fewer times.
“Well, what can I say, it IS your time to waste. Have fun, if it makes you happy.”
THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH, THIS HAS BEEN A RICH AND ENLIGHTENING EXPERIENCE TALKING WITH YOU! ^_^
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Stela,
Our holy book, The Gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, makes it clear that Pastafarianism is the only real religion. Maybe you should read our book before you start criticizing us. We have the proof. It’s in the book. And, haven’t you noticed evidence of His Noodly presence in the world via all the sightings published on this web site. I mean, get a clue!
RAmen
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Darn it, I thought this was toilet humor when I saw the title. Foiled again!
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WHAHAHAHHAAHHAHAH!! This one makes me laugh XD Did she/he really used the words “basic facts”?
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Wasn’t Bobby’s original point that ID isn’t science and shouldn’t be taught as such? Mythology is fine as long as it’s acknowledged for what it is, but it ain’t science. Faith and facts aren’t the same in the slightest…that’s the point.
Also, he’s a physics graduate.
‘Sides, quit bashing our faith! Our beliefs deserve the same respect as any others dammit (& more than Scientology)!
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The Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster is not a joke. How dare you persecute me because of my religious beliefs.
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Lord, embrace this nonbeliever in your noodley appendages and share with him your grace, for he knows not what he says. For thine is the kingdom of pasta and paradise, and we are enlightened by your goodness.
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“way before your ancestors were born” (huh?)
If the bible was taught as the mythology ‘it’ is, I probably wouldn’t have much of a problem with it. Classify all religions as mythology & I’d be one happy Pastafarian!
RaMen
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Only one major error – “your” for “you’re”. Are you really a Christian?
What do you mean, do we realise we’re insulting the lord’s gang? Why do you think we do it?
And thank you for not praying for me. If you want to debase yourself and insult your human dignity by grovelling for favours to some damn silly sky-fairy, then I can’t stop you. But I’d hate to think you were doing it on my account.
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Me thinks you missed the point.
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Stela-
I’m trying to discern an actual point to your comment. You say that the reason modern societies study mythology is to acquire an appreciation for other cultures, and I would certainly agree. When I studied ancient myths from Mesopotamia, Greece, and Rome, I learned quite a bit about those great societies. Likewise, studying Buddhism, Jainism and Hinduism gave me insight into how some Eastern cultures evolved. Throughout all of this, as well as close examination of other world religions and societies, I found some very common threads: most mythologies were created to explain observable phenomenon which people of the time would have otherwise found incomprehensible.
Bearing this in mind, it is important to make a distinction between ancient religions/mythologies and the modern western religions (i.e. Christianity, Islam, Judaism): the modern western religions do not seek to provide followers with common bases for observable phenomenon, but rather provide individuals with some level of self-satisfaction. This difference in principle and purpose, where mythologies were about the world and modern religions are about individuals, is critical to the understanding of the situation which modern religions have created in our society.
A growing trend in many parts of the worlds has been a movement toward evangelicalism. This is particularly evident with modern Christians and Muslims, who seek to convert people to their religions, not so that groups of people can have shared cultural bases, but because belief in each respective religion will be for each person’s “own good”. Modern religions, because of their insistence that each is the only “right” one, are divisive and dangerous when mixed. Clearly, religious pluralism has thrown the modern world into chaos.
Understanding the threat of modern religions and pluralism, you should now be able to recognize that the religion of the Flying Spaghetti Monster doesn’t necessarily insult large groups of people, as you claim, but rather the insistence that modern religions have positive benefits for societies. The only reason a person should feel insulted or indignant over the principles presented at this web site and by Pastafarians around the world is because he or she is guilty of pushing his or her particular religion upon others.
You mention that the followers of FSMism may suffer from “sick ignorance toward basic facts”, and I invite you to elaborate. While I certainly do enjoy spending time at this website, I certainly hope that the impact of such participation is not limited to upsetting individuals such as yourself. Rather, I hope that people who do not appreciate the impact of other religions on societies can use this site as a forum.
Now, if you’ll indulge just one critical thought: you’re probably very right that people who claim we’re in their prayers completely forget they’ve said that just moments after navigating away. From my experience, I’ve come to the belief that people who say that they’ll “pray for them” are usually just finding a way to say they’re doing something while not actually doing anything at all. Your pointing out that people are just saying this and not caring is indicative of the meaninglessness even religious subscribers place in they’re beliefs in prayer. I dare say you’ve thereby proven my point.
Cheers!
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I think this post is completely pointless too.
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Hm… I got my sister a FSM T-shirt for Christmas. She looked rather amused, actually. I guess she’s just one of those strange, rare creatures that can see the fun in this endeavour. Go her!
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Wow, another person who completely missed the point. I guess she didn’t read the Open Letter or much of the site at all. Woosh right over her head. Gotta love people who get less than half the information and start running their mouths, unaware of the fact they look like a complete idiot.
Mythology should be taught in schools, as mythology or maybe as part of a metaphysics philosophy class. Mythology has no place in a science class, because it isn’t science, there is absolutely nothing scientific about it.
I suggest Stella read more about what she wants to bash in the future, and get some reading comprehension skills.
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“The reason why Mythology is taught in schools is to enrich our knowledge of cultures that existed way before your ancestors were born. There’s a similar reason as to why religion is taught”.
Cute, you actually think there’s a difference between religion and Mythology (sic).
Seriously though, it’s not that your religion’s, or any religion’s, particular mythology is being taught in schools- we atheists don’t mind that. The problem is that certain religions (Christianity) are currently attempting to shift their mythology from the Religious Education (or whatever it be called in America) classroom into the science classroom. I agree that all religions and all viewpoints should be allowed a say, but keep it to certain fora such as R.E. until the science can be proven.
As far as not making a difference; is that why the Kansas Board of Education stepped down from their decision to teach Creationism in science lessons? Yeah… not much difference made we there…
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Nice, what does the first post mean anyway? And as for the second one…wtf? I read your little website before I read the email. As for the third one…not that funny. Hah, my best friend and I had a super long arguement when she was this email (she’s a pastafarian) guess she didn’t comment though. Bye peoples, this was fun!
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Successful troll is successful.
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Stela my dear child,
I only have enough time to address a one aspect of your letter, so I’ll pick the most important one. “Religious history” may be happily taught in schools along with histories of witchcraft, astrology, and any other supernatural belief. “Religion” as must never EVER be taught in any public school unless every single religion (no matter how small) is taught equally. You may happily bring out your bible and tell the whole class what to believe. Tell them that it’s the truth, for all it matters! But once your done, make sure that you wheel in a forklift containing the Qur’an, the Torah, Dianetics, the Book of Mormon, a Native American storyteller, a Witch Doctor, Buddha’s teachings, Morgan Freeman’s biography, and any other belief that could possibly exist in a human’s mind. The problem is that you’ll surely run out of days in the year and you won’t actually get down to the real point of education which is to teach children observable measurable facts. So perhaps you should teach your own children whatever you want at home and church, and send them to a private school if you want them to remain immersed in your own beliefs. But if your kid goes to public school, then you can rest assured that your teacher will not subject him/her to anyone else’s supernatural beliefs. And if you’re not happy with that, then I hope you’re ready for the day when you’re child comes from school and tells you about the flying spaghetti monster that created the universe.
- Bagelsauce
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blah blah blah, implies certain knowledge as per “basic facts” then blah blah blah.
Lets trot out our basic facts please. Im sure everyone here would LOVE to hear your supposed facts.
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“…your sick ingorance towards basic facts.”
What facts are those, Stela? Enlighten us.
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What makes you think this is a “false” religion in the first place?
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Comprehension fail.
Stela. Please. Read the “about” page.
This hit about 8.5 on the irony meter.
RAmen
ET
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This is worse than when people don’t understand basic concepts of evolution. She’s (or he’s?) sooo close to getting the point, and yet… so far away.
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“Did you, for one second, think that MAYBE just MAYBE your* insulting a large group of people out there, that they will be deeply hurt”
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I really really really hope so.
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“because of your sick ingorance towards basic facts.”
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Which are …?
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“Have fun, if it makes you happy.”
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We will, it does.
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LJS.
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*btw – it’s “you’re” not “your”.
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Oh Stela,
Where to begin? the DreddPyrateRoberts wondered.
Some people get the point of this right away. I’m sorry that you are not among them.
This is not about religion and mythology being taught in school. It is about religion and mythology being taught as an alternative to scientific fact in school. If mythology was kept in Social Studies, then it would be fine. But that was not the case in KS, so this religion was fabricated.
YOU insult us and insult us for insulting others. That is good stuff. I have been criticized my whole life for my lack of faith in gods. Telling someone that they are morally bankrupt is pretty damn insulting. Just because they don’t believe in the same creation myth.
As for the site. There are plenty of pointless sites out there, go bother them.
We’re not in your crappy prayers? good. You bothered to post, we made enough of an impact that you signed in and posted. As for the impact we make on the world, we do not engage in terrorism, genocide, warfare, torture, systematic rape, murder, or any other atrocities that come to mind. So I guess the other religions do have us beat there.
Shouldn’t you be protesting at MJ’s funeral with the Westboro Baptists?
Signed, The DreddPyrateRoberts.
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I’m pretty certain the disputed “point” of creating a fake religion was to expose the fallacy of teaching any religion in Schools as if it were as valid as any scientific view, and not to discourage the teaching of mythology in schools AS mythology.
As such, do you really think you’ll get your point across missing his and debating some other unrelated point entirely?
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Umm….great point. I did learn about past cultures in school. What was that class called again? Oh yea, history. History class you dipshit. Teaching kids that its science is lying.
Quit proving our point with how dumb you are. You cant even formulate an argument.
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Stela the point that you seem to have missed is that statements of faith, the basis of all religions, are not acceptable as scientific evidence. This site is then a reducto ad absurdum on that theme. It’s a shame that you didn’t explore the site before getting your undies in a bundle, or perhaps you don’t recognise satire when you encounter it .
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Stela, your claim of The Church of The FSM “not being founded such a long time ago” is fundamentally flawed. As an omnipotent being The FSM can distort space-time any way He wishes and therefore He can at any point send some Pastafarians to the beginning of time in case He has forgotten to do it before.
Due to this undeniable fact, some Pastafarians actually think that The Church of The FSM is actually older than time itself as they count the time from this moment to the moment when The FSM sends Pastafarians to the beginning of time also in to the total age of The Church.
I hope that reminding you about these basic facts will help you to escape from you ignorance.
rAmen
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“Did you, for one second, think that MAYBE just MAYBE your insulting a large group of people out there,”
Never mind your atrocious grammar and shameless proselytising – WE might be insulting people?! Oh no!! Excuse me whilst I sob into my beer; life is over, for I may have insulted someone.
Jerk.
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Right back atcha! All of those can be thrown back at whatever Abrahamic faith you follow.
Mythologies are the stories of a given religion. I know, I teach high school English.
All of the other gods and goddesses were worshiped just like yours. And as yours will become, they are ancient history. It is time to move out of the dark ages. Spend a day watching the science channel. And, no religion is not taught in my public school, though the Bible may be found in the library, next to the Dao de Jing, the Quran, the Torah, and many other religious mythologies, where they belong.
Of course they lied to us, that is what the religious do. You see, as an atheist, I do good for goodness’ sake, not because some invisible sky fairy threatens me with eternal burning.
And as for having others “just go along” with your religion: Try saying this and have EVERYONE who recites it to say it this way and if Xians and Jews complain, “well, they can just say what they wish (as my daughter has been told)”
Here we go:
I pledge allegiance to the flag….(you get the idea) ….one nation, under Allah…
Do you see how much that bothers you? Well, now you know how we feel when you push your faith in our faces.
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ATTENTION MEDICAL COMMUNITY:
A new syndrome has been reported. It is known as “SICK IGORANCE.” Those afflicted sometimes use “YOUR” instead of the contraction “YOU’RE,” and they otherwise abuse the English language. Treatment consists of “Studying if you are in college, at least.” There is no known cure for this disease; it’s terminal but the patient may live (unfortunately) for many decades.
DR. ATSAP REVOL
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Well this website does generate a huge amount of traffic and last time i heard the board of education was replaced so ya the point did get across. Since when was mythology taught in Science Class?? The point wasnt to eliminate ID from schools the point was to say that ID; be it the jeudo-christian verison that the kansas school board wanted or the one created by the prophet bobby henderson. Maybe ID could be taught in a separate religion class also MYTHology acknowledges what is being taught is a myth. The protest was aimed at ID in science class, we just don’t want ID being passed off as Science or in any way scientific to children who are easily “brainwashed” by the ideas of religion. Also what group are we insulting by our apparently sick ignorance of basic facts??? Last time I checked this large group of people, whom im assuming believe in a jeudo-christian verison of ID, had just as much “evidence” as bobby henderson did when he wrote about his noodliness the FSM. The website is to spread our views which have just as much validity as many other sites spreading religons. Also we are making a bigger impact than you think. For one we are making people who send hate mail to the hate mail(and concerned criticsms) section look like exactly what they are, fools who believe in a religion and want to force it onto other people using verbal insults and threating us with eternal torture. One question to you though… if you thought this website was a waste of time why did you bother replying to it at all seeing as almost no one comes here and what is being said never reaches anyone according to you??I’m pretty sure this was more your waste of time them ours.
-RAmen
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“I’m not going to say that you’re in my prayers and that crap, because you aren’t”
Ahh your going to make me cry.
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Are these people deeply hurt by our (sic) ingorance of the fact that this website was instrumental in the defeat of the proposal to teach Intelligent Design in the science classrooms of the Kansas school system? Pointless? I think YOUR ingorance is showing, Stela.
St. Arrrrgyle of A Sissy
Patron Saint of Gay Apparel
RAmen, Brethren
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Some christians find the jewish faith insulting. Muslims might find the catholic faith insulting. The same goes here, we are a group of people with a set of beliefs, if you don’t agree with us go be a christian or a jew.
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I find it interesting that all of the hate mail contains misspellings and grammatical errors. Could this speak to the level of intelligence involved, I wonder?
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@able semen= owned xD
@stela= one day, Catholisism will be taught in Mythology Class =)
and beleave me, i don’t care if i’m not in a christian’s prayers
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Have you,just once,ever thought about how religion is insulting atheists (a large group of people,more than 1000000000 in the world)?
No you don’t care about that,”I believe in a god,so everybody must believe in the same thing than me”.
Why are you so unable to accept different way of thinking?
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I always wonder why some people have the arrogance to think their religion is The One And Only. Catholicism only excist for about 2.000 years, judaism a bit earlier,… What about the cycle of the sun of the ancient Egyptians? Why wouldn’t that be the One Belief? It’s much older so it must be more correct? Maya’s, Inca’s, Mother Nature…?
Soit, I had my laugh for the day so thanks for that :)
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I find it amusing that people take offense to this when they don’t HAVE to read this.
And… “way before your ancestors were born”? If you go down the family tree long enough, there will be ancestors who existed during that time, so that makes no sense.
Good day to you, Stela. I will pray to the FSM that you might someday get an actual sense of humour.
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Grow a sense of humor, and don’t display your own “ingorance.”
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Why do these idiots always post before reading through the site and seeing that, hey, it actually is a joke? Seriously, we’re not that dumb. Although if they’ve grown up believing that they were eating the flesh of a jewish zombie, they probably figure just about anything goes.
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Did you ever stop to consider that you are offending us by saying that this is a fake religion. This Dweeb is deeply offended and hurt.
I think that if you just let the FSM enrich your life you may learn a little about a modern culture that is growing in strength as the world shrinks (not literally mind you), and ignorance and hate are harder to grind into a child’s education.
Organized religion had its place in controlling the masses for long enough. I think FSM makes a profound point…. but only to those clever enough to understand and with an open enough mind to make a choice of logic over dogma.
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Stel, why the anger?
Your most revealing point was that the FSM wasn’t founded a long time ago. If it’s true that FSM’s youth precludes it from “real” religion status, then it only follows that ALL religions are false because at one time they were once “young.”
Yes, the FSM is a big joke. I hope that future civilization will learn much from our Myths. We are so enriching…especially the spaghetti fortified with B vitamins.
Stela, I wish you all the best in life. Be happy. Follow your heart and let others follow theirs.
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Stela The point is that religion should be taught with the Greeks, Romans and everything cultural in History, Philosophy or Theology classes. Not in a science class.
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STELA!!!!! STELA!!!!! STELA!!!!!!
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What?! You mean the FSM is fake!!! o_O
lulz
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I always loved the contradictary term “Fake religion.”
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You dont need to believe in the “FSM” just like i dont believe in your god.
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I’m not gonna just start slamming you and trying to make you look foolish but why is it so easy to believe in a monster made out of italian food that created the universe than it is to believe in a one true GOD that created all things and sent his SON as a sacrifice for our sins so that we can spend eternity with him. He loved us that much. I know deep down that you are searching for meaning to your life but why this. You truly are in my prayers that one day you will come out from under the ether and realize how lost you really are. My prayers are to the the ONE true GOD that has ears to hear and eyes to see. If you truly are looking for the TRUTH you will find it, but not when you make it up.
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Where did my reply go?? I just submitted it this morning and already gone??
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Stela,
I think you should reflect on why the FSM is insulting to the religious like yourself. If you really believe in your relgion and its supernatural god, then there should be no insult. If however you are a poser believer and don’t really believe what you’ve been sold, then I can see how you would get insulted by someone exposing your views.
If not a true believer, then I would say convert to FSM – its more fun.
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Stella…you sound like you need a big plate of Pasta…
Some carbs might improve your mood…
P.S. Diets will make you Bitchy
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We do not object to world religions being taught in schools. My high school had a World Religions course, and it was one of my favorite courses. We object to religion being taught under the guise of science. Religion and mythology are not science and should not be taught in the same class.
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Think the dover trial or Kansas in general. Imagin hundreds of letters comming in promoting FSM. Don’t you feel like your the laughing stock of the entire country.
It works Get a mail campaign from FSM Know that people are laughing at you.
And who are we insulting. No one with the american Ideal. Of Freedom for all not just a choosen few. If you want to teach religion in schools than to be fair you have to teach all of them including ours it’s only fair. We’re only here to remind them of that.
It is our time we waste. It was your time wasted writing the letter. People like to waste time doing what they believe in.
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Stela, a few quesions…
1) Who is hurt by this website? (Are they defensive about their religion and beliefs? Sensitive to their “neighbor” not sharing the same world view as their own? Is that wrong?)
2) Why are you so angry?
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I am confused by the phrase “fake religion”
as opposed to what other kind?
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…”because of your sick ingorance towards basic facts.”
And those would be?
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Stella – I’m assuming that you have consumed too much Stella Artois, is there any point to your hate-mail?
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Do you really think your terrible grammar will prove YOUR point? It amazes me how many people have such little appreciation for a good satire.
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“Did you, for one second, think that MAYBE just MAYBE your(sic) insulting a large group of people out there, that they will be deeply hurt because of your sick ingorance towards basic facts.”
Maaaaaybe >:D
I could put in more of the”(sic)”s but it would take too long >.< Also, what basic facts are we talking about here? I HOPE you’re not talking about any other religion but ours. We are the only ones with the facts.
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this religon is real there was a sighting in my class yesterday
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Stela,
What are these “basic facts” you speak of? Is that whole circular argument going to come out again? Your religion is made up and so is ours. At least we can laugh about it.
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Dear Stela
I am deeply offended of you going around (no, coming here) and insulting our way of life and calling it names.
This web site actually saved my soul and filled the hole inside me, with spaghetti mostly.
But I do pray for you that his noodliness may pour his mariana sauce over you and enlighten you.
Have you not ever read our holy FSM gospel?!
We are a peace loving, rum drinking, pasta eating jolly good fellas!
We pastaferians have never waged wars or crusades, had no “dark ages”, inquisition and etc.
We never ever intend to offend anybody not even the midgets (who are most touched by HIM).
And actually WE have a really good tolerance for other religions that have such bad history but we know that his noodliness has a grand plan for all of us.
If you want proof I can quote OUR gospel so don’t even think about it.
And last but not least, it is our time and our pleasure.
I hope you soon realise the taste of pasta.
RAmen
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Shane #69: What planet are you on? The one true god is the FSM! but I can’t remember him having a son. As to the abrahamic, bronze age, vengeful, baby killing god: I believe he died many years ago, yet still lives on in disillusioned minds around the world. I think these people just like the idea of any god punishing people who do not believe in the ridiculous things they have been brainwashed into believing. If you really want the truth then find some evidence backing up YOUR beliefs.
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@Shane #70 & 69
Replies are moderated – it went from your local machine whilst it was still waiting approval server side.
Straight back at you – Why is it so easy to believe in a one true GOD that created all things and sent his SON as a sacrifice for our sins so that we can spend eternity with him than it is to believe in a monster made out of italian food that created the universe?
Until you answer that the rest of your post is pointless.
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Josh Rrrr and Ham Nox
Holy. Freaking. Flying. Spaghetti. Monster. You guys elaborated everything in my mind that I couldn’t put into words, and then some. And then some more. And then a lot more. The FSM has truly granted you divine wisdom.
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@34
Well to answer your questions Stella:
The first two posts are celebrating the ironry of your comments. That and satire are what this site is about, so again I call you a liar in your claim that you did indeed, “…read your little website before I read the e-mail.” I think you meant to say “wrote the e-mail” but good job using the correct “your” this time. Post number three actually states a “basic fact” that all religions are made up by people. Your religion is no different than ours. Though as you’ve already shown us you have no sense of humor I didn’t expect you to think it was funny.
Really I’m just excited that you responded. The best part was that after calling this website a waste of time, you came back again, read the posts, and created one herself. Also if our religion is such a waste of time why did you engage in an arguement with your friend about it? I hoping you return a third time and share with us some of your “basic facts” but remember:
1. The bible cannot prove itself. We are looking for independent verification of what your bible has to say.
2. “Because God said so” doesn’t count.
Awaiting your reply:
The Danimal
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@shane#69
“If you truly are looking for the TRUTH you will find it, but not when you make it up.”
So it’s OK when someone else makes it up? How do you figure?
Did you notice they just published that 1500 year old bible on line, and it has several books that are missing from modern versions? How do you know they haven’t left out the bits about the FSM? Or Cthulhu? Or anyone else for that matter? How can you, or anyone else, be so CERTAIN about something that has been so obviously mainpulated over the years for political gains? If you would just use your mind and THINK for a change….
RAmen
ET
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Hey Shane #69, I am not going to call you an idot, but great job parroting the cock and bull story of the sadomasochist who got his son (who was himself) nailed to a tree, and then kept acting as if he had done anyone a favor. I know you are looking for a meaning in your heart, but why do you have to believe this nonsense? Why is it so hard to see the real creator, the One who is made of noodles? He has eyes and balls. Can’t you feel the touch of His appendages calling on you to open your heart to love and hope? You will find the truth if you seek it, not if you try to make it up.
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Oh yeah.. I wanna be the FSM chapter head in Manila!
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Stela, as you may have not noticed, we don’t really care what you think. It should also be quite obvious that we don’t feel at all bad about insulting people. That’s because those that feel insulted by us are completely missing the point. On a side note, it’s truly quite amusing that the only people that do feel insulted by us are christians. It seems that they are the only ones who are paranoid about their particular religion. The rest of the religious world doesn’t even bother with us and considering just how many other religious people there are it makes one wonder just what’s up with that. FSM may be a joke to you but it doesn’t hold a candle to the joke that christianity is. At least we don’t get angry and violent. Can you say the same?
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You find our church to be a big joke? Well you seem to have a good grasp of the obvious.
By the way, great grammar for a bigot.
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I’m struck by the observation that you don’t appear to be enriched learning what others believe. C’mon, Stela, just go with it. Isn’t that what you expect in school?
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Do you think MAYBE just MAYBE a few people would be deeply hurt by the fact that you are condeming the majority of humanity to eternal fire, and smoke, and pain?
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bobby henderson our founder is a physics teacher. your clearly an uneducated dumbfuck calling him a college student.
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Stela – you hurt our brain, we hurt your feelings. Eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth :)
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Wow I was browsing the web and I came across this religion I am truly surprised and shocked to see this and I am proud to say I reserve my opinions and beliefs to myself, that I am a dutiful Christian and my faith has rose higher, extended farther, and enwraps me with much more dedication and loyalty to my God. My father, my creator with an everlasting love that transgresses that of conditional. But what really has me is that I understand God. And although there are other Gods and Saints, and religious figures I NEVER let no other God come before him for I cannot be dissuaded for not believing in something I truly believe in, I mean that just contradicts his teachings.
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nope, no impact never mind the 87,760 people that currently belong to the church of the flying spaghetti monster on facebook. a number that is still growing btw
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Mademoiselle Stella, I am insulted that you watch at our religion as a joke. You do not realise that you make offence to many people when practice your Christian websites, but never do you think about that?
I feel deeply hurt, I thank you for this.
And I DO hold you in prayers because I am a example of good Pastafarians and hope that he will touch you with his noodles to soon.
RAmen from France!
Chartreusé & Victoir
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#69, Ahem
Have you ever heard of Horus? His story was started long before Jesus’, in the Egyptian kingdom in fact. He was born of a virgin, the son of a god, was baptised when he was 30, the person who baptised him was beheaded, was betrayed for 20 silver, was crucified on the cross, rose 3 days later to ascend into heaven. Now, let’s just replace Horus with the name “Jesus” and OMIGOSH! It’s the same freaking thing. He isn’t the only one either. Look it up. Jesus’ story is NOT original.
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Stela, I think whatever religion you belong to is hilarious. Did you not get the message? It’s satire – we are making fun of you.
The great spaghetti monster is as powerful as your god. Both do not exist. At least we have fun here – eating pasta and making up sauces to go with it – what do you have? Wisps of prayer and the sincerest hope that you are right? That you bet on the right god?
Samwise
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I’m a 55yr old Christian fundamentalist and I love the Flying Spaghetti Monster. Religion and other matters of faith have no place in the schools, except perhaps in the study of different cultures.The God I believe in doesn’t need some self-righteous jackass forcing his message into where it doesn’t need to be.
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@ JeremyKeys #69
“The rest of the religious world doesn’t even bother with us…” I hope you’re right!
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Christy scares me.
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Hey Christi#97,
Your god is a control freak condemning you to eternal damnation if you dare think for yourself. That is childish and pathetic. The Flying Spaghetti Monster is cool, he doesn’t really care what you think, as long as you follow the “I really rather you did not’s”.
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@ Christy #97 – I’m glas you’re a dutiful Christian and that you understand God and such but I don’t think you’ve really added much to the discussion…
@ Charles Simons #102 – it’s nice to hear from a christian Christian for a change! Welcome :-)
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Christy #97. Your medication needs to be reduced (or increased – not too sure now I think about it.) What was your ridiculous babbling about? Have you actually seen your god; have you truly felt his love; do you really understand god? Or are you a complete fruit-loop who believes any old crap you are told by people who wish to control you? Where is any evidence for your wonderful father figure conditional? (Sorry – that sentence didn’t make any sense ;-) “And although there are other Gods and Saints” – hang on; you admit there are other gods than yours. Wow. Is the FSM one of them? Very good to let no other gods come before the one true god, I mean you shouldn’t contradict his teachings – especially something you truly believe in.
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Stela, if you’re speaking of “basic facts” here’s one for you: organized religions all copy each other. Your religion, Christianity, came AFTER Catholicism and AFTER Judaism and AFTER Hinduism and many of the holidays you celebrate as a Christian are holidays from THOSE RELIGIONS. “Christmas” is celebrated on a PAGAN holiday…hmmmm….and Jesus’ (Yeshua to some) birth did not happen in December at all. It happened in July. I won’t bother trying to explain the astrological proof of this “basic fact” since your head is obviously too clouded by pious anger to use something as simple as proper spelling and grammar.
I have absolutely no problem with faith. What I have a problem with is organized religion. I find Pastafarianism stimulating because it’s making fun of organized religion which I enjoy doing in my every day life. This site just gives me more weapons to use against the evil church tyrants trying to assimilate me into their vile, zombie-worshipping cult. Furthermore, I would like to tell you to lighten up and get a bit more of a life yourself. If you have so much free time on your hands to write hate mail to this site you might be a hypocrite (you might need to get a dictionary and look that one up) telling US to get lives.
RAmen
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I am an old jaded pirate. It still amazes me that a religion that started as a cult so easily forgets its roots. Maybe they remember and are scared that the FSM is going to displace their religion just like the Roman relgions where pushed aside.
How old are the Evangelical and “Born Again” movements?
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@CHRISTY #97
Dan (#106) was too kind. You are an illiterate moron who lacks the ability to express simple thoughts in the English language. You are a poor representative of your religion, so I suggest you shut up. Don’t go away mad…just go away.
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Charles Simon (#102), on the other hand, is a literate, reasonable person. He and I could have enjoyable discussions about how and why our paradigms differ.
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ATSAP REVOL
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It is very strange how people can have such blind faith in something, yet very quickly blame others when they have blind faith in something else (or at least appear to). Psychiatrists would have a field day over that one.
It is a FACT the bible in all its various shapes and form is an edited, political document, which has only become divine because of its interpretation but the various Churches. I must also remind you that the churches link with the divine has long been suspect. There are many examples but I will cite only the burning of “Heretics” who believed the Earth orbited the sun. Which, of course was shown to be true.
Looking at Christianity from a Historical point of view, a lot of its traditions/beliefs actually stem from other religions (Ancient Greek, Roman, Pagan etc). Their incorporation was a political tool to ensure dominance over a very large empire.
Now, I personally am not religious, but I do believe in the message of the bible and many of Jesus’ teachings. What really saddens me is that many Christians fail to really heed Jesus’ message of love and peace and his attempt to distance mankind from the old testament. What Bobby has done is more in line with what Christ had in mind: Two Examples
1) Stop spreading hate and “Love thy Neighbour”. Reading many of these comments I fail to see how anyone can write what they did and still say they believe in Jesus’ words.
2) “Render unto the Lord the Lord’s and unto Rome, Rome’s” i.e. a clear need for separation of church and state. Otherwise man would never be free as his very beliefs would be controlled by the state, as what was happening throughout the Roman Empire, (and Judea) at the time. He was sending out a warning.
Now I do not live in America, but I cannot understand how Christians can accept this blatant attempt by the government, regional/local or federal to control your beliefs. I do live in a country that is mostly Catholic and forces Catholic indoctrination in its state schools. I just wish I had the courage to do what Bobby has done and reminded Christians what it is to be Christian, and to fight against ANY organisation that is trying control your beliefs. This is our only true freedom.
There may be doubt over the divinity of the Bible (and Church), but there is no doubt (or should be none) that it (the new testament) is a good set of guidelines (if you will) on how to live in a society. This I feel is a fact lost on BOTH sides of the argument. I cannot see how people call themselves Christians and yet behave in an old testament manner, or those that seek to destroy the Bible’s teachings purely because of its debatable divinity. I find it ironic that the bible(NT) sits in the middle of Religion and Atheism in the same way that Jesus sat in the middle between Religion (Judaism/OT) and Rome. In the end, of course Rome and Judea both conspired to kill Jesus. I truly Hope that this does not happen with the Bible(NT); both sides can learn so much from it.
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It’s sad to see people getting angry at each other over matters of God or god or FSM. The only people who will find God are those who seek him. Things of a spiritual nature are nonsense to those that are not looking for them. I think it’s nice if you do seek God but if you choose not to at this time it really is nobody’s business but your own. For anyone to try to force God’s message on someone that was not actively wanting to hear it demeans and degrades God and the message
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@#102
Awesome! Finally a Christian who has some sense.
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#111 – togoso. I agree there is no doubt over the divinity of the bible: It is not divine!
You believe in the message of the bible: what message is that? I would be interested to hear what you (or anyone else for that matter) think the bible message actually is.
As to the new testament being a good set of guidelines – I don’t think so. The whole story of jesus was to save the jews (chosen-people); the gentiles only came later as an after-thought (probably when the christian splinter group were having trouble recruiting). Jesus could have prevented so much pain and suffering in the years to come if he been a bit more specific in his rules: do not kill; do not abuse; do not enslave; treat women as equals; do not steal; do not cheat (not the ten (fifteen, twenty?) commandments which were only applied – once again – to dealings within the jewish peoples; massacring, raping and robbing rival tribes men, women and children was fine) – but he didn’t. As god he could have eradicated malaria, leprosy, cancer and countless other painful and lethal diseases and afflictions – but he didn’t. If he died for our sins (not sure what for though: fictional characters listening to a talking snake and eating magical fruit?) then we all forgiven; we no longer have to suffer – but he didn’t and we do. And, in this loving message of hope, if you don’t believe in jesus, his daddy, god and the rest of the tri-be then you can go to hell. Truly a “message of love and peace”. Free Will(y) is a better story (and is more principled.)
People are very blinkered to the actual words of the man-made dribble (sorry, bibble). I find it a horrible, savage, hate-filled propaganda vehicle for a bunch of crazies who are hell bent on taking over the world (that would include jews, muslims and christians).
Also, you go on about jesus as if he was a factual character – do you have any proof?
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Well said, able semen, post #114. Couldn’t have said it better myself.
RAmen!
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@#111
Jesus probably did exist. However most of the bible either stole existing mythology or can be proven wrong historically. So its obviously not reliable.
Some parts of the bible such as the virgin birth are now thought (not sure how strong the evidence is) to be mistranslation errors.
The entire biblical story, however it originally was, was rewritten to fulfill jewish proficies, and the concept of jesus preaching peace was added much later. When jesus said “love thy neighbour” he meant “love another jew”. So everything you claim is wrong.
The bible, even if we ignoor the constant changes and assume the now version is the only version, and ignore the many other books of the bible which conflict with other books both in recorded histories and moral messages, then the bible is still a rediculas supposed basis for morality, as our morals change quickly over time, and the “scripture” does not. George Orwell, a forward thinking intelligent man
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78, Come on now, can you really have to much Stella Artois?
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Another post brfore I read idiot. Its about ID being allowed in a science class.
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@ able semen
“You believe in the message of the bible: what message is that?”
“As to the new testament being a good set of guidelines – I don’t think so”
Now I agree, maybe I wasn’t clear that most of the bible is a political tool., BUT… there are some good points in how to live in a constructive society. People should support and respect each other (”Love thy neighbour”). People should not live in a society that is divided and segregated (”Judge not lest thee be judge…let he without sin cast the first stone”).
If you do not feel these are good points then I really see no more point discussing this. The bible was an early form of a social contract. One that has served our societies for many many years. (albeit under false pretentious, but that just goes to show the corrupting influence humans have.
“Jesus could have prevented so much pain and suffering in the years to come if he been a bit more specific in his rules: do not kill; do not abuse; do not enslave; treat women as equals; do not steal; do not cheat (not the ten (fifteen, twenty?) commandments which were only applied –“
Again… This is where I tried to separate the teachings of Jesus from the Bible. The Bible in its various forms was constructed (the books were chosen to form canon). If you actually look at the Gnostic gospels you well find those “rules” in there. Especially the treatment of women, gospel of Mary and the as yet unclear relationship of Mary and Jesus (wife, lover, friend?). The removal of which allowed the church to vilify women.
And a bit more clearly:
“Jesus could have prevented so much pain and suffering in the years to come if he been a bit more specific in his rules”
Look eventually people have to think for themselves. These, as I mentioned before are GUIDES not rules, (a rule requires punishment for the breaking of it). This is the basis of jurisprudence and our social contract with the government, but really what kind of punishment can we not escape from, even if we evade the law? Hence the concept of Hell is invented by humans as a blanket attempt to PREVENT crime and social disorder – One’s eternal soul is at risk; or so people believed. Unless you were catholic and could do anything as long as you sought confession…
“As god he could have eradicated malaria”
For the record I believe Jesus was not a God, son of God, a prophet or in any way shape or form divine. Instead I feel he was a man with a bloody good idea for social change, but who unfortunately was used as a basis for a system that would bear his name but would be in complete contradiction to his teachings of peace and social tolerance.
“fictional characters listening to a talking snake and eating magical fruit?”
Never heard of allegory? A lot of the bible’s stories are just that stories to tell people who believed then, in such things as magic. Aesop’s Fables are good guides as well but do you refute them because it has a talking tortoise? No we listen to the story. Again humans(the churches) have described these as fact to impress simple peasants. But surely most intelligent humans cans spot allegory for what it is.
“Free Will(y) is a better story (and is more principled.)”
Seriously… (sigh). Why are stories like Free Will(y) so good. Because A) they have a modern twist B) they are the product of over two thousand years of development of the concept of “Story Telling” and finally C) like most storylines they are loosely based on elements from what Jesus was trying get across: Social Tolerance, helping each other, mutual respect etc. And as for being more principled well that is subjective but there you go.
“I find it a horrible, savage, hate-filled propaganda vehicle for a bunch of crazies who are hell bent on taking over the world (that would include jews, muslims and christians).”
I couldn’t agree more. And the bible and its corruption of Jesus’ teachings is a prime example of that. But concentrating on destroying the Bible’s divinity, and thus trying to destroy Religion (which will never happen, because the weak minded have to believe in something and will therefore always be the slave to someone (Interestingly enough it was Bertrand Russell (one of the greatest minds, and Atheist flag waver, who said that as long as they (the plebs) are content with their lives and happy, then this is morally and socially acceptable. A concept which I find a little hard to swallow, but am forced to nonetheless agree to on practical terms: Some people cannot think freely, be it a product of their genetics or education. However, I feel that it must be a condition that as a society we should struggle to fix as a matter of urgency. Russell’s view is maybe more stable, but I don’t think I can accept it without this one consensus. The difference: religion keeps people’s minds closed where we are trying to open them, but that requires an understanding of conscience and social contract otherwise it will be anarchy.
The argument goes beyond religion: What freedom of thought do we really have? We are told what news articles to watch. Newspapers give opinion and print it as fact, or in a very biased manner. For most people the freedom extends to whether it will be McDonalds, or Burger King for dinner, and that will probably be decided by connivance/marketing/financial factors etc which are well beyond the control of the average citizen.
As for the existence of Jesus, I am not an expert, but scholars generally agree that a man called Jesus existed and roughly followed a life played out in both the Canonical and Gnostic gospels. Of course I don’t think he was divine. But I feel maybe I have not been clear. Jesus may or not have preached in the manner set out in the gospels, but the words are said to be his (both biblical and historical evidence suggest this so I refer to them as his). I give credit to him and those who have echoed his ideas throughout history, and not a bastardized version of them meant as a method of political control, nor those that blindly follow it. I feel it is definitely not a case of the medium is the message.
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@116
I wrote my reply/clarification while your comment came through.
“Jesus probably did exist. However most of the bible either stole existing mythology or can be proven wrong historically.”
Answered above. I agree but that’s why it’s a story book. Called allegory. Doesn’t mean it’s not a set of good ideas. (See Star Wars, etc. Good ideas but not true)
“The entire biblical story, however it originally was, was rewritten to fulfill jewish proficies,”
The bible, and I assume you mean canonical gospels and OT, was written by many different people over time. It is the basis of religions outside the Jewish one. The religions have one other very important feature in common: Geography. If A tribe in China had similar concepts then this would be more evidence at the divine. Instead God, apparently only chose to speak to a geographically small area. This gives greater belief that it was a political document (possibly against the Romans/Greek influence).
“The bible, even if we ignoor the constant changes and assume the now version is the only version”
There is no “Now Version”. There are different versions based on different interpretations and translations. It changes every time a group wants to separate itself (mostly I feel for political gain). But remember the OT is the basis of practically all of the main religions(Judaism, Christianity, Muslim) etc. I feel that Jesus tried to break with these religions (all of them) and get people to think for themselves. Instead his words were corrupted and selective accounts were included (both actually truth, allegory, blatant lies). Further the OT was kept as canon and a lot of the traditions of previous religions were kept (such as Christmas, Easter etc) as to smooth a transfer from these three religions (plus the roman/greek deities), into one all mighty political tool.
“, as our morals change quickly over time”
Which is interesting because, although scripture does not change, it’s interpretation of, and use of does to suit the then political and social climate. They change and so do our morals because the church was the basis of our morals, the separation of which is of course was what I feel Jesus was trying to do (pre-corruption).
Things like social tolerance, mutual support etc are things that even today survive and are seen as good things. THESE have NOT CHANGED and these are what Jesus was saying.
“George Orwell,”
AN interesting choice there. A die hard Communist until late in life. Many of Jesus’ (NOT THE BIBLE’S NOR THE CHURCH’S) ideas can be linked with the true ideals of Communism (-pre Stalin), but he became aware of the human corruption of it (Stalinism and the current concept of Communism which is very akin to modern day religion), and very publically denounced it (1984, and I feel more importantly, Animal Farm).
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“by creating a fake religion?”
its not a religion its a personal connection to his noodleness
RAmen
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Good point. Historians can use religious evidence to study cultures, its further proof that man has been deluded for millennia.
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Humans didn’t invent pasta. Thats what he WANTS you to think
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wow! everyone is so judgemental. I really feel sad for the people who really believe in FSM and are so deceived that they don’t even know it. That girl said that us Christians would probably forget to pray, but I think personally it’s hard for me to forget that people in this world are believing in something that will only make them feel good for a time. What happens when something bad happens in your life? God is always there and promises to never leave us or forsake us. He is the only one true God. I know when I’m in trouble His spirit helps me and guides me. Not noodles!
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@ 124
You know that little voice or feeling inside your head that guides you and helps you when you are in trouble Jack? I’ll let you in on a little secret. It’s not an invisible sky-daddy – it’s simply YOU.
As for the people on this site being ‘deceived and don’t even know it’ and ‘being so judgmental’: that is a classic example of the pot calling the kettle black. Have you ever tried turning thr spotlight around and using this same ingenious logic on yourself?
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124-wow! everyone is so judgemental. I really feel sad for the the people who really believe in god and are so deceived that they don’t even know it.
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Jack Wilson (#124). Give us an example of how god helped you – with proof of same.
Believers are great rationalists: If they get what they wanted, god did it! If not, god has
a better plan. Either way, god wins! Her deep faith didn’t save my mother from a long,
horrible bout with cancer that killed her in her 30’s with 3 small children left behind. I guess
god’s plan was for me to lose my faith, eh?
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Jack @ 124, you are so judgemental. I really feel sad for the people who really believe in the bearded sky daddy and are so deceived that they don’t even know it. I think personally it’s hard for me to forget that people in this world are believing in something that will only make them feel good for a time. What happens when something bad happens in your life? FSM is always there and promises to never leave us or forsake us. His Noodly Goodness is the only one true god. I know when I’m in trouble His Noodliness helps me and guides me. Not bronze age myths!
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I just want to point out that we do not object to religion being taught, but it being taught in science class, as science.
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@#120
To be honest you just seem to repeat my ramblings but in a slightly more christian way. Did you disagree with me? I find it hard to work out.
The talking snake story is NOT allegory to almost all christians (particularly the billion catholics). These faiths depend on the garden of eden as fact as a basis for their religions. Without the fall christians would have no original sin – for which jesus is supposed to have died for – and his existence becomes a moot point.
My point about Free Willy (sigh..) was an attack on the idea of free will. Have you never heard of “taking the piss”?
There is almost no evidence for the existence of the christian jesus (Josephus, Tacitus, Suetonius, and Pliny the Younger refer to a jesus/christians but that’s it). All the words of the christian jesus are to be found in the NT which was written by rampant followers many years after his supposed death on a cross – jesus most likely uttered none of them.
You seem to be putting a lot of words into jesus’ mouth. As you state, we have gained 2000 years of knowledge, yet we have no idea of the context to which the NT words applied. It is not possible for you to assign so much to jesus – or perhaps you know him personally? Almost everything you take as good from the bible can be found in the teachings of buddha some 500 years before – and that comes without the jewish tilt. The OT and NT teachings are not guides; they are strict rules and the biblical follow up is that you will be punished if you break them.
I have just returned from a holiday in Ireland and it was disturbing to see the effects of blind faith: finding the virgin mary in a tree stump; moving statues; hallucinations in the west; and the general desperate hope. I personally think that it is just not right to let the “plebs” get on with it: They are disillusioned and need help.
Just a thought: Most people on earth have a hope of a life to come after this shitty (for them) one – believing in this means that if they kill another person, the person they have killed will go to this better place. So subconsciously they have a get out clause for murder. The fact they may go to hell (recant?) does not change the fact that they believe the victim is not dead forever. If people did not believe the tripe of an after-life perhaps they would have more respect for life here on this planet.
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Well, since there has been over a hundred responses to this already, most tipping the favor in the direction of fsm. I think its pretty much proven, FSM DID get its point across!
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“The talking snake story is NOT allegory to almost all Christians”
Actually, I will disagree with you on this one. I live in a very Catholic country, and many people here, and I have discussed this at length with many many people (religious, scientists, politicians etc), agree that the bible uses allegory to tell stories. For the rest of them well, like I said: “But surely most intelligent humans cans spot allegory for what it is”.
This is offset by the people who take the bible literally, but I’m sure there are psychology/psychiatric reasons for this.
“My point about Free Willy (sigh..) was an attack on the idea of free will. Have you never heard of “taking the piss”?
Ahhh yes. Funny. Well actually I have had that argument thrown at me before, when I refer to the bible as a story book. I always point out that if the bible was written nowadays it would have different stories, but the ideals (and lies) would be more or less the same.
“There is almost no evidence for the existence of the christian jesus (Josephus, Tacitus, Suetonius, and Pliny the Younger refer to a jesus/christians but that’s it)”
So:
Josephus: one of the most prominent Jewish Rebels, turned Roman in later life,
Tacitus, Suetonius: two major historians of the time, and
Pliny the Younger: one of Rome’s greatest statesmen,
All lived within 50 years of Jesus’ execution; all had firsthand accounts of the Jewish wars; all lived before the adoption of Christianity by Rome, or the creation of canonical text. So these people are on record having talked about Jesus and Christians and you still suggest there is no evidence of a man called Jesus existing? Historians (from all religions, walks of life etc), working from all angles, historical accounts, religious accounts, social considerations etc, all agree that there was a man called Jesus who was a Jewish Teacher. In Islam he is considered a prophet, more probably to piss off the Jews, who of course denounced him as a heretic. However the fact remains, it is more than likely that a man called Jesus existed.
“All the words of the christian jesus are to be found in the NT which was written by rampant followers many years after his supposed death on a cross – jesus most likely uttered none of them”.
Again, where is you historical evidence for saying that he probably didn’t say any of this? Even in the Gnostic gospels his teachings are present (the good ones that the Church didn’t want revealed). The fact remains that he is cited as saying them, so I will refer to them as his words. I am however, more interested in the words than the person.
I used to find it very easy to believe that Jesus didn’t exist. It made it much easier for me to slam religion but I looked into it, and am now convinced that Jesus did exist and did preach. Most of which I agree has been bastardised.
“As you state, we have gained 2000 years of knowledge, yet we have no idea of the context to which the NT words applied. It is not possible for you to assign so much to jesus”
Actually we know more than you think. Historians are very good at their job. Especially now there has been a slant towards biblical history. This is being covered by Historians from all sides.
On Buddha; Buddha lived, as you said about 500 years before Christ. There are rumblings, how true I cannot say, but it’s an interesting idea, that as Buddha and Buddhists travelled a lot to spread his word, that his teachings could have spread over and could have inspired Jesus. Remember Christianity spread in less time, so it is possible that travellers/ merchants on the spice/silk roads could have “spread the word”. I’ve always believed that Buddhism is a very worthy Religion.
In particular Buddha’s teachings of: ethics and understanding, the questioning of divine beings and Dukkha: That all beings suffer from all situations due to unclear mind.
“I personally think that it is just not right to let the “plebs” get on with it: They are disillusioned and need help.”
So you are going to force them to believe in what you believe. Sounds familiar? No, I agree it’s just you make it sound so “Staliny” – “They are wrong I am right, believe me”. The Church, for all its problems was on to a winner, even Russell admitted that. You are an intelligent person, and most people who question beliefs are, that is why the church has tried to control education for so long. So it is very easy for the likes of Dawkins and others to preach (that is the correct word I’m afraid to say), that they are wrong, and idiots for believing in something someone tells them to believe. No one takes a second to see the irony in that.
It is a sad fact that many people cannot form free will. I put this down to religion and poor education. But most people have to believe in something for psychology/psychiatric reasons. We are genetically pre-programmed to accept this so we can function in a society.
Personally I believe the way to win this is through education, which is why I strongly applaud FSM and its IRONIC (for those that actually think this is real) twist on the ID debate. A strong education plan, based on free thought and independent learning is essential, with solid support from Government/society (see Starship troopers, the book not the film). But that requires a lot of effort by all parties. And it’s not just religion that’s in on this. Governments are as well. Traditionally in UK when Labour government is in power education collapses, the same is true now.
I feel you and I are both idealists seeing the frustrations in the world. I just feel the argument of Religion is a small part of a bigger picture. I feel attacking people’s beliefs is wrong, no matter how they came about them because is a battle we cannot win as it is fought on their ground. They see this as another religion trying to assert dominance over theirs. This will only act to increase their faith. We must choose how and when to fight our battles.
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#97 Christy
“But what really has me is that I understand God.”
Really? Wow!!
Then, could you please explain me why He, as an all-knowing god, condemned all us because our forefathers -who couldn’t distinguish between “good” and “bad”- disobeyed him, and after some thousands of years (and after killing fast all humanity with Noah’s flood) He send Himself down to earth to die for us in order that He can forgive us and He was not forced (by who?) to send us to a place -designed by Him specially for us- where we will be tortured for all the eternity because some people we don’t know eat a fruit?
Could you explain me how is it possible than an all-powerful and all-knowing god creates a “good” being -satan, the best of his angels- without free will and that being becomes “bad”?
If not, could you at least explain why your God’s powers have been decreasing over the years? I mean, come on… Creation of earth -and after that, creation of the sun, lol. The Flood was pretty impressive too, wasn’t it? Then egyptian’s plagues were not that bad. Transforming water into wine? Curing a blind? Curious, at least. Appearing himself in a toast??
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Well here’s a guy who can’t figure out the blindingly obvious – the church of the FSM is around for several reasons –
It’s a laugh
The tax breaks are good
Spaghetti is nummy
And it upsets the hell out of the serial onanists who claim to be “good christians”
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why did you bother?
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Reply to post 124 :
“wow! everyone is so judgemental. I really feel sad for the people who really believe in FSM and are so deceived that they don’t even know it. That girl said that us Christians would probably forget to pray, but I think personally it’s hard for me to forget that people in this world are believing in something that will only make them feel good for a time. What happens when something bad happens in your life? God is always there and promises to never leave us or forsake us. He is the only one true God. I know when I’m in trouble His spirit helps me and guides me. Not noodles!”
God is always there?
GOD IS ALWAYS THERE??
Once you die. He will send you to hell to be tortured for all eternity.
is god there for you then?
no?
good riddance
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All religions have a nutshell of truth inside their very hearts. However, only Pastafarianism offers to the whole world a religion of Hope and Empowerment, a religion of Trust and Service, a religion of Honour and Compassion. We do not know for sure if FSM exists or not. May be, He is an allegory of just the good things inside our very feeble minds. However, our religion was founded on true values of Tolerance and Humility, of Skepticism and Rationality, and that are just the things that made me a Pastafarian in my youth fifty years ago (being the son of a couple of IPU believers).
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Togoso (#120) said “So these people are on record having talked about Jesus and Christians and you still suggest there is no evidence of a man called Jesus existing? ”
Yes. They mentioned Christians worshipping a Christ (not an uncommon title, actually).
The existence of Christians does not prove the existence of Jesus.
If it did, there would be a panoply of gods, wouldn’t there?
References to an individual is always third-hand, mispelled and/or inserted later as a “correction” by Christian scholars.
Where’s the Gospel of Jesus, Togoso? Mighty poor job of being a messiah, if you ask me.
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@138
1) They actually mentioned the name Jesus as well, but you seemed to miss that one.
2) There are other numerous sources that recount the name Jesus, some more solid than others.
But the fact that his name has been mentioned not just “Christ”. Interestingly I’m reviewing the Gnostic Gospels and they all refer to Jesus as “Jesus” – Never Christ which means anointed one. Maybe that title was added (much) later? Anyone know?
“Where’s the Gospel of Jesus? Mighty poor job of being a messiah, if you ask me”
Two things
1) I have ALWAYS stated I do not believe Jesus to be divine.
2) If you are a teacher (like Jesus was said to be), and you have a following, and these people are recording everything, then why do you need to write anything? The Gospels (Gnostic) are themselves all together, accounts of his teachings, so maybe you could refer to the whole lot as the Gospels of Jesus.
Look, if you want to carry on looking into Jesus’ existence as proof/disproof of the divinity of the Bible then carry on. But I’m out on this one. I just think that:
a) some of Jesus (credited to him so I’ll refer to them as his) teachings (Gnostic and canonical gospels) make some sense and are found in other non-Jewish based religions,
b) there is more than enough evidence for a free thinking individual to doubt the divine nature of the bible and of Religious institutions. Likewise, unfortunately, for someone who is not as free thinking, there is more than enough evidence to prove the divine nature of the Bible. You have to see all sides of a problem before tackling it.
We should now, slowly and carefully move away from Religion and situations like able semen has described:
“I have just returned from a holiday in Ireland and it was disturbing to see the effects of blind faith: finding the virgin Mary in a tree stump; moving statues; hallucinations in the west; and the general desperate hope. I personally think that it is just not right to let the “plebs” get on with it: They are disillusioned and need help.”
and through education, move towards a more functional society. I just feel shouting and screaming at Religious folks for being thick and believing in a stupid pointless God, will not work. It will in fact have the opposite affect, as this is their area. It has taken science hundreds of years to undo the dogmatic mess of Early Christian belief and that was with irrefutable evidence.
Gradually the Church has lost its grip on education and we CAN NOT allow it to gain it again. Nor for that matter of fact any other such institution, ie Government, Financial Institutions etc.
So once again I applaud the work of FSM in making sure that ID is NEVER taught in schools and helping in educating those that come to this site.
Remember, we are dealing with people who blindly believe that fossils are a giant conspiracy sent by the devil. Sorting out that kind of indoctrination is going to happen overnight. Many of these people have a gross misunderstanding of evolution (some still call it Darwinism). We must educate than and remove the myths and lies which their own people are telling them about the evils of science.
Look not blowing my own trumpet here, but using this approach I have actually converted two Jehovah Witnesses, that used to come round. They came round “spreading the word”. We talked, about the Bible, Jesus, Evolution (I corrected many of their misbelieves about the subject), even Theoretical Physics (in which I have a Masters Degree). They came round several times, even bringing round “Support”. I could literally feel their eyes opening in front of me. Two of those have since left their Church. It’s a start.
Again like able semen correctly suggested, it’s about Free Will. But you cannot force free will on someone who is not used to. They get scared and fall back on their faith. Respect their beliefs and gently try to nudge them out of it. It’s difficult because free thought comes easy to many people such as you (theFewtheProudtheMarinara) and able semen, so we find it so obvious. Others do not have that luxury. Although I agree with Richard Dawkins in every respect, and I applaud him (and others) in his courage in making a stand, I just can’t help but feel that he is doing the “cause” more damage than good.
Time will tell.
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What’s the difference between a church and a cult? Easy. It is the number of members.
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I don’t really care whether you pray for me to your big imaginary friend.
But do let me know if you recieve any sort of reply.
You’re. Not your. You’re means you-are, as in “You’re full of dogmatic bullshit.” Your, as in, “Your god has smaller balls than our god.”
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Yo creo que El Verdadero Dios es Jesus, pero tampoco veo al Pastafarismo como un Juego. Yo e ido a tallarinatas y e bendecido la Comida en honor del Monesvol, tambien lo hago con las pizzas. Yo soy un usuario corriente de una Wikia llamada Inciclopedia, y ahi me expreso como pastafarista, aunque yo soy cristiano y nada me ara cambiar de religion. Si estoy con Amigos, bendigo la comida en honor a Monesvol. Por que el Monstruo de Espaguetti volador debe ser falso? si a mi se me presentara, yo creeria en el, pero no como un dios, sino como yo creo que existe alguien, asi de simple. si no lo entienden es, o porque su cerebro es muy pequeño para entenderlo, o nesecitan alguien que los acoja, en este caso yo les recomiendo a Jesus, pero no se puede saber si el monesvol es verdadero, de la misma forma que no se puede saber si es falso.
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Togoso: Nice job on the Witnesses. I was leaving the other day and didn’t have time to talk to one who had her kid tagging along. Made me wonder just how I’d approach things with a 7-or-8 year old boy with her.
Anyway, isn’t it odd that the gospels (unless you think one of the remaining 4 qualifies) of Jesus’ “direct” apostles (Thomas, Mary, etc) were thrown out in favor of 3rd person accounts?
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@ theFewtheProudtheMarinara
“how I’d approach things with a 7-or-8 year old boy with he”
I’m sure it was Dawkins who said that the concept of a Religious child was incorrect. I think I’m quoting from the God delusion here. Correct me if I’m wrong. But I’m pretty sure that was her intention, bring the child along for a greater impact. If however, you can lay the seeds of doubt in the mother, the child will pick up on that. Very receptive minds children have.
As for the Gnostic Gospels being thrown out… Well that’s politics. They were saying things that made the new Church very uncomfortable. Especially Thomas who described Jesus as the Thomas (twin) of Thomas, therefore bringing into doubt Jesus’ alledge divinty; and Mary who was married to (possibly, but at the very least in a relationship with) Jesus. Anything that directly, or indirectly brings into question Jesus divinty was thrown out. Then the accepted NT (written well after the fact) was included. Third person also adds and air of mystery about him.
The whole thing was a political tool to bring about a unified church, under direct control. You have to admired the effort. To bring elements from all religions and marry them into one was an incredable acheivement. The fact we now have people believing some piece of constructed Historical fiction 2000 years on demonstrates its brilliance. Further the degree in which the dogma is entrenched in our societies (for better or for worse) is a testament to politcal skill the church has wielded throughout the ages. Like I said before this is not going to come overnight. But We are gaining ground in areas like education, so we should keep up the effort. OUr goal should be an equal and just society, where free thought and inteligence are things we strive for the better of each other. Not just complete and total anarchy (which I feel is the opposite of Religion), where I feel if we are not careful, we could end up.
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@Togoso: Yes, sadly there are a lot of weak-minded people who need a boogie-man-in-the-sky to keep them in line. The ruling class recognized this long ago, though there were times of contention between the court and the clergy (like Henry the 8th). I wonder now – how often world leaders actually believe in religion, or are they just playing the charade for our sakes?
And yes, I agree that the sale of Christianity/Islam/whatever to the masses was brilliant. Of course, in years past the alternative to conversion could have been death by torture, but how they keep this mess going nowadays mystifies me.
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“I wonder now – how often world leaders actually believe in religion, or are they just playing the charade for our sakes?”
I would guess nearer the 0% mark. I just imagine them all in a room laughing: “People will believe anything…hahahaha”
“but how they keep this mess going nowadays mystifies me.”
You said it best: “sadly there are a lot of weak-minded people who need a boogie-man-in-the-sky to keep them in line”
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I guess its youre time to waste typing out a letter no-ones going to care about.
Dweebs? Come on, do you live in the 1950’s?
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Jack Wilson says “What happens when something bad happens in your life? God is always there…”
The other day some woman on the news who survived a plane crash was thanking god for her survival. If something like that happens to me, I’m gonna say “God tried to kill me, but I showed the old goat!”
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Perhaps all religion courses should be combined with Mythology courses. You know, to “enrich our knowledge of cultures that existed way before our ancestors were born.”
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Hi I’m a Christian/Catholic/whatever, I’m going to prove to you how devout I am to my religion by picking apart your website rather than being in church or donating blood or something like that. Because those things aren’t worthwhile to me. This is.
I’m so amused right now. Leaving such a long hate response. Why is it adults preach to children, ‘if you don’t like something, just ignore it,’ and yet, they can’t follow their own advice? Makes one wonder.
I guess I’m loosely Christian or something. I don’t know. But I’m also a Pastafarian. rAmen! :D
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Quite apart from all theological disputation above, the point of the Church of the FSM is to marshal opposition to machinations of numbskull bigot ID-pushing schoolboards, and the Church seems quite manifestly to have done that.
@tFtPtM: great point! I dimly remember that Bertrand Russell tells a story about a preacher who moved out of his manse; the manse subsequently burned down, and the preacher fell to his knees and thanked God for his deliverance. Russell remarked that he wondered what the new preacher who had moved into the manse said to God…..
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Yeh stela, i never got the point about why people believe in things. People may have seen god and jesus and tom, dick and holy harry but the one time i saw jesus, quite honestly i was down near plastered and he was trying to scab my piss off me.
From everything i heard about religion, if you piss god(s) off you burn forever or go to a dark abyss for ever.
I find if christians want to solve problems, the instead of having bake sales and can drives ect, this is a crazy thought, STOP BUILDING STUPID LOOKING BUILDINGS YOU USE ONCE A WEEK AND USE THE MONEY TO HELP PEOPLE!
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I think that we all had the right to believe in ”what is right”. And I don’t think that the people who are replying to this in a negative way are getting the point. Go read on wikipedia what this religion is about or search it on google. Ask questions and try to find your own answers without judging other people. If you believe in god you believe in heaven and in hell and if your a good person and you believe in god you go to heaven but when you don’t believe in god (which means that you don’t believe in heaven and hell) and your a good person that you go to hell. That doesn’t makes sens. The words ‘I Believe In God’ means that you believe in it but, it doesn’t mean that it excist. I can believe in coockie monsters (wich I don’t just to make that clear :P) doesn’t make coockie monsters real. It’s a mirror for you people and you need to look in this mirror for spaghetti monster sake!
- Me
There were no coockie or flying spaghetti monsters hurt by typing this tekst.
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People are deeply hurt because of our beliefs? Does Hinduism ‘deeply hurt’ people? No. Does Judaism ‘deeply hurt’ people? No. As far as I can make out… it’s mostly intolerant people who are disrespectful and condescending that ‘deeply hurt’ people. And… yeah, those peope are mostly Christians. So stop being an asshole and get on with your meaningless and Flying Monster-less exsistence.
RAmen,
Rebecca. Yar.
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I wonder how many dildo’s it takes for stela to satisfy her self?
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Rebecca (#154)-
Epic Win!
In Peace and Saucieness,
D&WC
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Well, Stella. They have as much proof as you Christians have.
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after a delicious spaghetti dinner i usually shit out your religion..
if it flew back out at me, then i would think you’re on to something. I’d convert in a heartbeat!
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Skriblzz, Christians have far more evidence… they have a book that was written a whole 2000 years ago, would you know it and because of its antiquity it proves that the lord doth exist. This because everything from that era have proved to be completely accurate. If you take examples such as chemistry, biology and the art of conning money out of people, everything the ancient people said still stands.
So then, if you have a book that was edited, censored and adjusted about 300 years after half of the stories (most of which were renditions of middle eastern myths at the time) were written, it surely proves the hand of the lord.
At least the muslims have a plausible story which ‘proves’ the koran to be the word of god, but its all bullmanure!
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what about mormonism? it’s just a laugh. calm down dear.
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thank you for showing just how stupid and sheepish all the christian fundies really are. Pastafarians UNITE!!!!!!!
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Bravo, insane christian. I love how you say WE insult peoples beliefs but then you get on here JUST to insult us for supposedly insulting YOUR beliefs. Epic fail, crazy dude.
RA’men.
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It is our time to waste, and it makes us happy, unlike many negative impacting religions out there that actively harass people on disagrements between their silly beliefs. Those touched by His Noodlie Appendage are rarely found going out of there way to condemn people.
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FSM gave me a whole new perspective.
i think its funny how many people keep dissing FSM and Pastafarianism when really if they believe a religion its like they’re dissing themselves. wasnt this religion created because anyone can believe what they want to believe? well a whole bunch of people just liked the movement so they joined in. really i find it funny how so many Christians are offended by this. so should i be offended by your religion of Christianity? i dont think so. and im not. really you people are taking it much to heavily. but i suppose if there are haters against this then really it must be good. cuz if it wasnt, hell it wouldnt have any haters at all
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you say that we are the rude ones, what about all the christians who persicute any one who dosent fully agree with them. ive seen this happen many times as a former christian and it is far worse than any flying spagetti monster (praise him).
ps.
Do not accept any of my words on faith,
Believing them just because I said them.
Be like an analyst buying gold, who cuts, burns,
And critically examines his product for authenticity.
Only accept what passes the test
By proving useful and beneficial in your life.
The Buddha
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It’s ironic that you took the time out of your day to post this on a site you hate so much. Get over it.
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I use Flying Spaghetti Monster (or more properly, “His Holiness Flying Spaghetti Monster”) to prove my points just about every day. The few days I forget, I eat additional pasta as penance. It is truly a beautiful religion–or at least a tasty one ;)
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well, at least this is one person that gets there’s a point behind it and that people aren’t really believing in a tangible “flying spaghetti monster”. to each his own opinion- I’ll keep eating my pasta with His holiness in mind!
RAmen
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Maybe your point would be valid if religion were taught in the same way mythology is: as the perspective of one culture, with the acknowledgement that some people believe it, but it’s scientifically false. But the fact is, Creationism is taught just as seriously as science, and is treated as fact. This is why we must offer our religion as an alternative.
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You’re right, it is a big joke. That’s kind of the point.
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Oh FSM oh FSM oh FSM!
What truly gets to me is how stupid the writers of these hate mails are!
How can they not get the point?
How can they not see that they insult their own intelligence!
How can they not see that nobody truly believes in the FSM?
Here, if any of you morons are reading this im just gonna break it to you.
WE DONT BELIEVE THAT ANYTHING AS UNLIKELY AS A FLYING SPAGHETTI MONSTER CREATET ANYTHING, AT ANY TIME.
YOU, HOWEVER, DO.
That is kind of the whole point.
By telling us how supid we are believing something so ‘ridiculous’ you just proved our point.
YOU are the ones believing something ridiculous, we on the other hand, are merely making fun of you.
and NO we are not laughing with you, we ARE laughing at you.. you ignorant, fundamentalist assholes.
PS. If there is indeed a god, you insult it and the intelligence it has provided you with, by believing in it.
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“Do you really think you’ll get your point across by creating a fake religion?”
Uhhm Religion in itself is Fake. It’s made up by people to feed off weak and scared individuals who feel that they need to justify their existance. IDiots, may his Noodliness have mercy on your ‘Souls’.
RAAAAAAAAAAAAmmen!
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this morning i woke up and saw in the newpapers that two cars exploded in the centre of bagdad. i think the’re no virgins left in islam sucidebombers heaven. how on earth, in heaven, or somewhere else in the universe, does anyone in his right mind think this is what his god wants?
well i try to lighten up a bit, and found this on youtube: a HUMOR AND SATIRE ATTACK
this was made by ‘draadstaal’, satire on dutch television. the guy wants to be a suicide bomber, but isn’t good enough, bin laden is looking for professionals. ‘it’s a pity, no little virgins, maybe i will become a butcher,’ he says afterwards. i like to stress there were no riots in amsterdam of rotterdam because of this item on television.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZdlsOmYD40
in the next one yo see gnomes who are ‘FOKKING’ mad. their existence is completely ignored, people who believe in them are ridiculed, the gnomes feel offended by it, one of them blew himself up, but no-one ever noticed. the gnomes are warning us arrogant humans!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNIshcuKVgk
well this one is a famous, pointed at another fundamentalist: geert wilders (of the anti-islam party who bleaches his hair to look like a ‘arian’). it’s called ‘geert wilders warns for a muslim tsunami.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nr-xiLKJFV4
this is really hardcore from the ‘70, the song stirred up things. it’s called ‘jezus redt (= jesus saves)’ and ends ’save jesus from the christians.’
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlLr_nHJMhQ
KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK
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Good for you that you live in a pink world of your own.
In my world, religious people fight each other with deadly consequences.
In my country religious people bomb and kill doctors who legally perform abortion.
In my country many religious people preach hate to homosexuals.
In my country religious people try to sneak their version of creationism into public schools and hold back science.
In my country religious people insist in forcing their religious dogmas into Government laws and because they are majority they succeed. A religion belief forcibly enabled by the majority as law is the only thing standing against homosexual equal rights to marriage.
And the moderates? They just cross their arms because the situation is comfortable for them. And if someone dares to come up with criticism to hold back the few secular positions that are left, they cry offense.
If religion were a truly private matter, only a personal choice but never an imposition in society in any form maybe we would all be living in your pink world.
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ps:
Now, answer with honesty … what do you really want? A secular country with impartial laws that grant equal rights and access to both believers and non believers ? In this case, help clean your yard of the fundamentalists.
Or a country tending to teocracy that will grant rights only to the majority? In this case, keep crying offense and providing cushion to the fundamentalist hidden behind you.
I rest my case.
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Are bigots ever going to realize this is a parody of religion, not discriminating as all true Pastafarians know that is sacrilegious. It was created as a hope that so called ‘intelligent design” would not be taught as a science. I wish these people would actually do some research before they resort to hatred, as they only end up making fools of themselves, and the world has enough theists.
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1.)Do you really think you’ll get your point across by creating a fake religion?
-yes, the fact that so many people are razzed by this religion (/website) proves it, thus your 1st posted question is (in and of its own existence) self defeating … (lol)
2.)The reason why Mythology is taught in schools is to enrich our knowledge of cultures that existed way before your ancestors were born.
-a)it is not classified as “Mythology” in schools it is placed on a more “fact based” pedestal as “intelligent design” as in it is of equal merit as “evolution”.
-b) she seems to think that any of our ancestors just spontaneously appeared out of “the great mystical vagina” and that “our ancestors don’t have ancestors”.
-3) those who don’t believe in it, can just go along and learn the views that people had hundreds of years ago.
-a) more cultural BS
-b) why do you think colleges don’t teach this crap in their major fields like IT and Bussness? Cause people don’t want to pay for it!!!
-c) this is why I assume you don’t have a life… and why you will never be an office holder… my taxes should be better spent on the learning of important stuff so employers can have better workers with better knowledge bases (and they wonder why high school diplomas don’t mean shit)
-4) I find that the church of The FSM is a big joke,
-A) oh she might be catching on now let’s keep reading…> (sidenote she calls others “dweebs” [LOL]) it is and thanks to “south park” it has been a common joke for some time now…
-5) “they will be deeply hurt because of your sick ingorance towards basic facts.”
-a) oh now she is talking of “FACTS”… please go on… oh none… o well… (I was hoping for some)
-6) And what’s up with the website? Dude, do you not have a life?
-a) Websites are easy to put up and require little upkeep after its built. Unlike a magazine
-b) yes, he probably dose and he is making a stand for what (in his thought) is right (cause he is not a pussy). Cause if people truly do get away with this, you get just as a fucked up religions as FSM like scientology who can influence our public schools. Thus creating a whole work force of multi-minded artards that are worthless in any job that requires logic or reasoning instead of “cause the bible told me so” thinkers.
-7) Well, what can I say, it IS your time to waste. Have fun, if it makes you happy.
-a) I think she is missing something here, this guy isn’t wasting anything if nothing else the whole point is to save something, like tax payers money, or the children from time wasted on knowledge that is best kept in church not in schools, or maybe just trying to keep someone from taking advantages in loopholes that this state left open… just a thought there…
END?
agpext88@gmail.com
cheers – Pack-Man
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It’s only a joke man chill out! its a free world we live in anyway, people can do what they want, say what they want and and certainly believe in what they want to… Who cares?! Its not being rude, your over-reacting. I don’t believe in a specific religion, I take on board information from all different beliefs and religions. I am open minded to all, You are right, that myths and beliefs do teach you, and make you in some ways a better person… I just stumbled accross pastafarianism now and, of course, they are right, as well, in the questioning; For, after all, every religion and belief has a book… So aren’t they all just stories anyway?! Come on, us humans made up the bloody belief system to begin with, for if humans, had no belief, we would haveno reason to live. As I said before, its a free world. I do what I want, say what I want and believe in what I want, I even party, do drugs and have done many bad things in my life. Well thank goodness I am not bound to asking forgiveness from YOUR god. I can forgive MYSELF and move on with my life. So go to an open beautiful field, light up a joint, breathe in the sweet smell of weed in the soft, exhilarating air, and chill the “hevean” out… Peace and love x o
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A “fake religion”… is there any other kind?
Also: “I find that the church of The FSM is a big joke”, well ISN’T THIS PERSON JUST THE SMARTEST LITTLE COOKIE?
On a less insulting note, I would like to put that the whole point of this so-called fake religion is that Intelligent Design belongs in theology classes and not science classes.
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Oh Stella.. To say that the ways of his Noodliness are fake is to say that religion in itself is fake. You cannot disprove or prove your religion so why be so vain as to tell me my religion is ‘fake’??
RAmen!
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Please. You talk about teaching religion in schools to teach people what people thought a hundred years ago. Are you talking about teaching just Chrisianity or all religions? I’m sure the Christianity teaching would be very extensive considering all the wars and murders committed in the name of Christianity.
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“The reason why Mythology is taught in schools is to enrich our knowledge of cultures that existed way before your ancestors were born. There’s a similar reason as to why religion is taught, those who don’t believe in it, can just go along and learn the views that people had hundreds of years ago, again it enriches them by showing them why others believe.”
Personally, I see no problem having mythology taught, as well as religions taught. There’s a time and place for those to be taught, and it isn’t in our public science classes, which a lot of religious people want to push.
I believe in neutral respect to all religions. If you want to learn more, take a religion appreciation class. In my high school we have an after school club relating to religion. Its free.
Just want to illustrate on a point
“There’s a similar reason as to why religion is taught, those who don’t believe in it, can just go along and learn the views that people had hundreds of years ago”
I find that outstandingly arrogant, and ignorant of other people’s feelings.
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Next, I am going to use your own words to refute your statement.
“I find that the church of The FSM is a big joke, no it wasn’t found such a long time ago, you dweebs, I can’t believe there were people who actually considered believing that.”
Did you, for one second, think that MAYBE just MAYBE your insulting a large group of people out there, that they will be deeply hurt because of your sick ingorance towards basic facts.
“I”m not going to say that you’re in my prayers and that crap, because you aren’t”
GLAD.
“And what’s up with the website? Dude, do you not have a life? Shouldn’t you be studying if you’re in college, at least.”
/Facepalm
“~ Stela~”
STELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!
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Spot On.
Note to admin.
Must have new t-shirt design, cat on a hot tin roof shrieking
STELLLLLLLAAAAAAAA!
I will buy one,promise.
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“I find that the church of The FSM is a big joke”
Another near miss…so close
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Re* 174: Good stuff Kees!
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