Do you really think you’ll get your point across by creating a fake religion?
The reason why Mythology is taught in schools is to enrich our knowledge of cultures that existed way before your ancestors were born. There’s a similar reason as to why religion is taught, those who don’t believe in it, can just go along and learn the views that people had hundreds of years ago, again it enriches them by showing them why others believe.
I find that the church of The FSM is a big joke, no it wasn’t found such a long time ago, you dweebs, I can’t believe there were people who actually considered believing that. Did you, for one second, think that MAYBE just MAYBE your insulting a large group of people out there, that they will be deeply hurt because of your sick ingorance towards basic facts.
And what’s up with the website? Dude, do you not have a life? Shouldn’t you be studying if you’re in college, at least.
I”m not going to say that you’re in my prayers and that crap, because you aren’t, and all those people who said you were in their prayers lied to you, because they probably forgot all about it when they navigated from the page, that’s the type of impact you’re making on the world.
Well, what can I say, it IS your time to waste. Have fun, if it makes you happy.
~ Stela~
your movement is pointless
Published by Bobby Henderson July 7th, 2009 in Hate Mail (and concerned criticism). 186 Comments
186 Responses to “your movement is pointless”
I love it when people’s messages asking “do you think a fake religion will prove your point?” prove his point.
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Hey Stela. Your post is completely pointless, apart from making me grin at your ignorance of basic facts.
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People have ALWAYS tried to get their point across by creating fake religions – just look at judaism, islam and christianity etc. etc.
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Hi Stella,
The difference between Mythology and Religion being taught in schools is that religion is often taught as truth to impressionable, immature minds. Religion today and religion hundreds of years ago are also very different; teaching one does not mean teaching the other. When I was taught religion at school I was being told to believe in what I see as lies and dogmatic immorality; it is wrong!
I’m glad you find the FSM a big joke; that’s what it was always meant to be. Although I’m not sure you’re bright enough to fully appreciate the punchline; that those being insulted are offended by a belief system as unsupportable and morally less bankrupt than their own.
Your final ad hominem attacks against Bobby show your true inability to argue rationally. Keep your prayers; they’d be worthless from someone as angry and bitter as yourslef anyway.
Thanks for wasting your time with us! Hopefully you’ll come back with some intelligent and reasoned points worth discussing.
Dan
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Putting the word ‘fake’ before the word ‘religion’ is like putting ‘hot’ before ‘fire’ or ’stupid’ before ‘creationist’.
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Well,you wasted your time by posting here but I spread the glorious word by replying,so who’s time is wasted?
May the Sauce be with you.
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In response:
Yes we are doing a great job of getting our point across. The point is science is not religion and religion is not science. It is OK to learn about views people had hundreds of years ago. Views like; “The earth is the center of the universe cause god made it that way” and “That woman’s baby got sick but then got better. Let’s kill her for she is a witch.”
The Church of the FSM is a big joke. And a funny one. I’m sorry you’re too dense to get it. Try exploring the site for more than five seconds and you might enjoy it. You post lacks the usual spelling and grammar errors so we can see you’re not a total idiot. As far as insulting a bunch of people, I you all believed your almighty god to be above reproach so don’t worry about it, but if you are still worried about it maybe you need to take a second look at your religion if it is so easy to attack.
And what’s up with going to church every Sunday? Shouldn’t you be doing some chores or learning to wash yourself correctly?
I don’t doubt that all the people who said we were in their prayers lied to us. Christians deal in lies often. I’m glad I’m not in your prayers but if you change your mind, it IS your time to waste so have fun.
Peace,
The Danimal
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I’m sorry, I guess I didn’t get enough Christianity pushed on me when I was little. Gotta do it in schools now too.
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Hey Stela, glad to see you wasted your time too.
Fun, isn’t it?
And on the subject of insulting people, go fuck yourself.
Now jog on.
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Stela, having read you post, it strikes me that you could have just said the last bit ‘have fun if it makes you happy’. That seem to be the more Christian response (love thy neighbour, do unto others, live and let live etc etc). That way we would have said ‘thanks, and the same to you’ and everyone would be happy. Instead, we just think you’re an idiot.
May His Noodly Appendage seek you oput and bring you tolerance.
RAmen
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“I find that the church of The FSM is a big joke…”
Correct! And yet you seem to miss the very joke you just recognized. How is that possible?
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Especially protestant christianity!
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Stella your post demonstrates anger and hatred. Did you learn that in church?
You could use a dictionary to learn proper spelling. While you are there look up the word irony. Your spelling and grammar are atrocious. Yes, look that one up too. We will wait. :-)
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Wait… I’m confused. If Religion is taught so that non-believer can find out the lines and parrot along… why are there so many believers in it? Heck, the Pope has a PhD in Religion… Is he not a believer, who took the classes so he could know when and what to say?? And if it’s soley about learning what people centuries ago thought and believed, woulden’t a History class be better? People who lived centuries ago did leave journals and diaries and recorded events, you know…
I agree with you, though. The website is fundamentally flawed. ~ Stela~ here is about the thirtieth troll to come down the line and NOT be able to find the open letter. Maybe if you made the link in 80-point, blinking font?
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Just as Jesus would have said.
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I love this letters always great fun. I specially like the “sick ignorance towards basic facts” what facts ?
“I find that the church of The FSM is a big joke” No shit Sherlock ! LOL
but at least she is honest about the prayers part :)
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I find it both depressing and ironic that this post is completely pointless.
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Don’t look now, Stela, but the Pastafarians DID get their point across by preventing the Mythologists from foisting their unfounded beliefs on school children as science.
There was a cult that believed they’d be whisked away to a spaceship behind a comet after they castrated and killed themselves. Would you want THEIR beliefs taught in schools?
P.S. What “basic facts” are you talking about, Stela? What are we sickos so ignorant of? Name one – that’s right, ONE – give us ONE – fact that justifies ANY religious belief, aside from “do unto others as you would have them do unto you”.
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“Do you really think you’ll get your point across by creating a fake religion?”
No, no I don’t. I believe too many of the people who this is aimed are too entrenched in their own backwards beliefs to listen to hear any argument we might use. This is just my favorite way so far because it has pasta and pirates.
“The reason why Mythology is taught in schools is to enrich our knowledge of cultures that existed way before your ancestors were born. There’s a similar reason as to why religion is taught, those who don’t believe in it, can just go along and learn the views that people had hundreds of years ago, again it enriches them by showing them why others believe.”
Woah, where is this coming from exactly? I wouldn’t argue against the world’s various beliefs being taught about in schools, because there is a lot of culture and understanding that comes from it. (Notice that I said being taught ABOUT, not TAUGHT or PREACHED.) But that’s an argument for History and Geography classes, not for science.
“I find that the church of The FSM is a big joke, no it wasn’t found such a long time ago, you dweebs, I can’t believe there were people who actually considered believing that. Did you, for one second, think that MAYBE just MAYBE your insulting a large group of people out there, that they will be deeply hurt because of your sick ingorance towards basic facts.”
No, we didn’t realize that we might have stepped on a few toes when we parodied a MAJOR WORLD RELIGION. Oh no, we never considered that when we force someone to take look at a mocking picture of the fallacies of their belief system, it might rattle them up a bit. And even with all those ridiculous cult followers out there, we never thought that there might be a few people crazy enough to literally believe our joke. Gosh darn, it’s going to be hard to separate all those people from the numbers of us who ironically pretend to follow the teachings of the FSM with their entire being to prove the ridiculousness even further. (And in case the humor is too subtle, I am in fact being SARCASTIC in this paragraph!)
“I”m not going to say that you’re in my prayers and that crap, because you aren’t, and all those people who said you were in their prayers lied to you, because they probably forgot all about it when they navigated from the page, that’s the type of impact you’re making on the world.”
Finally, someone who gets just how hollow and insulting any prayer on our behalf to YOUR god is. I feel so much safer knowing that my name will reach such nonexistent ears of the sadistic, loving, distant, ever-present, intolerant, self-contradictory Judeo-Christian God one fewer times.
“Well, what can I say, it IS your time to waste. Have fun, if it makes you happy.”
THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH, THIS HAS BEEN A RICH AND ENLIGHTENING EXPERIENCE TALKING WITH YOU! ^_^
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Stela,
Our holy book, The Gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, makes it clear that Pastafarianism is the only real religion. Maybe you should read our book before you start criticizing us. We have the proof. It’s in the book. And, haven’t you noticed evidence of His Noodly presence in the world via all the sightings published on this web site. I mean, get a clue!
RAmen
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Darn it, I thought this was toilet humor when I saw the title. Foiled again!
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WHAHAHAHHAAHHAHAH!! This one makes me laugh XD Did she/he really used the words “basic facts”?
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Wasn’t Bobby’s original point that ID isn’t science and shouldn’t be taught as such? Mythology is fine as long as it’s acknowledged for what it is, but it ain’t science. Faith and facts aren’t the same in the slightest…that’s the point.
Also, he’s a physics graduate.
‘Sides, quit bashing our faith! Our beliefs deserve the same respect as any others dammit (& more than Scientology)!
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The Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster is not a joke. How dare you persecute me because of my religious beliefs.
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Lord, embrace this nonbeliever in your noodley appendages and share with him your grace, for he knows not what he says. For thine is the kingdom of pasta and paradise, and we are enlightened by your goodness.
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“way before your ancestors were born” (huh?)
If the bible was taught as the mythology ‘it’ is, I probably wouldn’t have much of a problem with it. Classify all religions as mythology & I’d be one happy Pastafarian!
RaMen
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Only one major error – “your” for “you’re”. Are you really a Christian?
What do you mean, do we realise we’re insulting the lord’s gang? Why do you think we do it?
And thank you for not praying for me. If you want to debase yourself and insult your human dignity by grovelling for favours to some damn silly sky-fairy, then I can’t stop you. But I’d hate to think you were doing it on my account.
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Me thinks you missed the point.
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Stela-
I’m trying to discern an actual point to your comment. You say that the reason modern societies study mythology is to acquire an appreciation for other cultures, and I would certainly agree. When I studied ancient myths from Mesopotamia, Greece, and Rome, I learned quite a bit about those great societies. Likewise, studying Buddhism, Jainism and Hinduism gave me insight into how some Eastern cultures evolved. Throughout all of this, as well as close examination of other world religions and societies, I found some very common threads: most mythologies were created to explain observable phenomenon which people of the time would have otherwise found incomprehensible.
Bearing this in mind, it is important to make a distinction between ancient religions/mythologies and the modern western religions (i.e. Christianity, Islam, Judaism): the modern western religions do not seek to provide followers with common bases for observable phenomenon, but rather provide individuals with some level of self-satisfaction. This difference in principle and purpose, where mythologies were about the world and modern religions are about individuals, is critical to the understanding of the situation which modern religions have created in our society.
A growing trend in many parts of the worlds has been a movement toward evangelicalism. This is particularly evident with modern Christians and Muslims, who seek to convert people to their religions, not so that groups of people can have shared cultural bases, but because belief in each respective religion will be for each person’s “own good”. Modern religions, because of their insistence that each is the only “right” one, are divisive and dangerous when mixed. Clearly, religious pluralism has thrown the modern world into chaos.
Understanding the threat of modern religions and pluralism, you should now be able to recognize that the religion of the Flying Spaghetti Monster doesn’t necessarily insult large groups of people, as you claim, but rather the insistence that modern religions have positive benefits for societies. The only reason a person should feel insulted or indignant over the principles presented at this web site and by Pastafarians around the world is because he or she is guilty of pushing his or her particular religion upon others.
You mention that the followers of FSMism may suffer from “sick ignorance toward basic facts”, and I invite you to elaborate. While I certainly do enjoy spending time at this website, I certainly hope that the impact of such participation is not limited to upsetting individuals such as yourself. Rather, I hope that people who do not appreciate the impact of other religions on societies can use this site as a forum.
Now, if you’ll indulge just one critical thought: you’re probably very right that people who claim we’re in their prayers completely forget they’ve said that just moments after navigating away. From my experience, I’ve come to the belief that people who say that they’ll “pray for them” are usually just finding a way to say they’re doing something while not actually doing anything at all. Your pointing out that people are just saying this and not caring is indicative of the meaninglessness even religious subscribers place in they’re beliefs in prayer. I dare say you’ve thereby proven my point.
Cheers!
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I think this post is completely pointless too.
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Hm… I got my sister a FSM T-shirt for Christmas. She looked rather amused, actually. I guess she’s just one of those strange, rare creatures that can see the fun in this endeavour. Go her!
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Wow, another person who completely missed the point. I guess she didn’t read the Open Letter or much of the site at all. Woosh right over her head. Gotta love people who get less than half the information and start running their mouths, unaware of the fact they look like a complete idiot.
Mythology should be taught in schools, as mythology or maybe as part of a metaphysics philosophy class. Mythology has no place in a science class, because it isn’t science, there is absolutely nothing scientific about it.
I suggest Stella read more about what she wants to bash in the future, and get some reading comprehension skills.
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“The reason why Mythology is taught in schools is to enrich our knowledge of cultures that existed way before your ancestors were born. There’s a similar reason as to why religion is taught”.
Cute, you actually think there’s a difference between religion and Mythology (sic).
Seriously though, it’s not that your religion’s, or any religion’s, particular mythology is being taught in schools- we atheists don’t mind that. The problem is that certain religions (Christianity) are currently attempting to shift their mythology from the Religious Education (or whatever it be called in America) classroom into the science classroom. I agree that all religions and all viewpoints should be allowed a say, but keep it to certain fora such as R.E. until the science can be proven.
As far as not making a difference; is that why the Kansas Board of Education stepped down from their decision to teach Creationism in science lessons? Yeah… not much difference made we there…
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Nice, what does the first post mean anyway? And as for the second one…wtf? I read your little website before I read the email. As for the third one…not that funny. Hah, my best friend and I had a super long arguement when she was this email (she’s a pastafarian) guess she didn’t comment though. Bye peoples, this was fun!
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Successful troll is successful.
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Stela my dear child,
I only have enough time to address a one aspect of your letter, so I’ll pick the most important one. “Religious history” may be happily taught in schools along with histories of witchcraft, astrology, and any other supernatural belief. “Religion” as must never EVER be taught in any public school unless every single religion (no matter how small) is taught equally. You may happily bring out your bible and tell the whole class what to believe. Tell them that it’s the truth, for all it matters! But once your done, make sure that you wheel in a forklift containing the Qur’an, the Torah, Dianetics, the Book of Mormon, a Native American storyteller, a Witch Doctor, Buddha’s teachings, Morgan Freeman’s biography, and any other belief that could possibly exist in a human’s mind. The problem is that you’ll surely run out of days in the year and you won’t actually get down to the real point of education which is to teach children observable measurable facts. So perhaps you should teach your own children whatever you want at home and church, and send them to a private school if you want them to remain immersed in your own beliefs. But if your kid goes to public school, then you can rest assured that your teacher will not subject him/her to anyone else’s supernatural beliefs. And if you’re not happy with that, then I hope you’re ready for the day when you’re child comes from school and tells you about the flying spaghetti monster that created the universe.
- Bagelsauce
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blah blah blah, implies certain knowledge as per “basic facts” then blah blah blah.
Lets trot out our basic facts please. Im sure everyone here would LOVE to hear your supposed facts.
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“…your sick ingorance towards basic facts.”
What facts are those, Stela? Enlighten us.
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What makes you think this is a “false” religion in the first place?
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Comprehension fail.
Stela. Please. Read the “about” page.
This hit about 8.5 on the irony meter.
RAmen
ET
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This is worse than when people don’t understand basic concepts of evolution. She’s (or he’s?) sooo close to getting the point, and yet… so far away.
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“Did you, for one second, think that MAYBE just MAYBE your* insulting a large group of people out there, that they will be deeply hurt”
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I really really really hope so.
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“because of your sick ingorance towards basic facts.”
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Which are …?
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“Have fun, if it makes you happy.”
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We will, it does.
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LJS.
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*btw – it’s “you’re” not “your”.
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Oh Stela,
Where to begin? the DreddPyrateRoberts wondered.
Some people get the point of this right away. I’m sorry that you are not among them.
This is not about religion and mythology being taught in school. It is about religion and mythology being taught as an alternative to scientific fact in school. If mythology was kept in Social Studies, then it would be fine. But that was not the case in KS, so this religion was fabricated.
YOU insult us and insult us for insulting others. That is good stuff. I have been criticized my whole life for my lack of faith in gods. Telling someone that they are morally bankrupt is pretty damn insulting. Just because they don’t believe in the same creation myth.
As for the site. There are plenty of pointless sites out there, go bother them.
We’re not in your crappy prayers? good. You bothered to post, we made enough of an impact that you signed in and posted. As for the impact we make on the world, we do not engage in terrorism, genocide, warfare, torture, systematic rape, murder, or any other atrocities that come to mind. So I guess the other religions do have us beat there.
Shouldn’t you be protesting at MJ’s funeral with the Westboro Baptists?
Signed, The DreddPyrateRoberts.
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I’m pretty certain the disputed “point” of creating a fake religion was to expose the fallacy of teaching any religion in Schools as if it were as valid as any scientific view, and not to discourage the teaching of mythology in schools AS mythology.
As such, do you really think you’ll get your point across missing his and debating some other unrelated point entirely?
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Umm….great point. I did learn about past cultures in school. What was that class called again? Oh yea, history. History class you dipshit. Teaching kids that its science is lying.
Quit proving our point with how dumb you are. You cant even formulate an argument.
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Stela the point that you seem to have missed is that statements of faith, the basis of all religions, are not acceptable as scientific evidence. This site is then a reducto ad absurdum on that theme. It’s a shame that you didn’t explore the site before getting your undies in a bundle, or perhaps you don’t recognise satire when you encounter it .
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Stela, your claim of The Church of The FSM “not being founded such a long time ago” is fundamentally flawed. As an omnipotent being The FSM can distort space-time any way He wishes and therefore He can at any point send some Pastafarians to the beginning of time in case He has forgotten to do it before.
Due to this undeniable fact, some Pastafarians actually think that The Church of The FSM is actually older than time itself as they count the time from this moment to the moment when The FSM sends Pastafarians to the beginning of time also in to the total age of The Church.
I hope that reminding you about these basic facts will help you to escape from you ignorance.
rAmen
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“Did you, for one second, think that MAYBE just MAYBE your insulting a large group of people out there,”
Never mind your atrocious grammar and shameless proselytising – WE might be insulting people?! Oh no!! Excuse me whilst I sob into my beer; life is over, for I may have insulted someone.
Jerk.
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Right back atcha! All of those can be thrown back at whatever Abrahamic faith you follow.
Mythologies are the stories of a given religion. I know, I teach high school English.
All of the other gods and goddesses were worshiped just like yours. And as yours will become, they are ancient history. It is time to move out of the dark ages. Spend a day watching the science channel. And, no religion is not taught in my public school, though the Bible may be found in the library, next to the Dao de Jing, the Quran, the Torah, and many other religious mythologies, where they belong.
Of course they lied to us, that is what the religious do. You see, as an atheist, I do good for goodness’ sake, not because some invisible sky fairy threatens me with eternal burning.
And as for having others “just go along” with your religion: Try saying this and have EVERYONE who recites it to say it this way and if Xians and Jews complain, “well, they can just say what they wish (as my daughter has been told)”
Here we go:
I pledge allegiance to the flag….(you get the idea) ….one nation, under Allah…
Do you see how much that bothers you? Well, now you know how we feel when you push your faith in our faces.
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ATTENTION MEDICAL COMMUNITY:
A new syndrome has been reported. It is known as “SICK IGORANCE.” Those afflicted sometimes use “YOUR” instead of the contraction “YOU’RE,” and they otherwise abuse the English language. Treatment consists of “Studying if you are in college, at least.” There is no known cure for this disease; it’s terminal but the patient may live (unfortunately) for many decades.
DR. ATSAP REVOL
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