How can you know that God is a F.S.M. if he is invisible? If he is invisible how can you see him?
What is said on this website, in your books and amongst yourselves doesn’t change what the Bible and the real word of God says. Gods word is like gravity, just because people don’t believe in it doesn’t mean it’s not true and doesn’t mean there aren’t consequences to jumping off of a cliff. Someone can easily say “I don’t believe in gravity because I can’t see it, etc..because it’s an old belief….” but that doesn’t change the fact that it is there. This is like Gods laws for all of humanity.
Have any of you ever seen your own brain? Does that mean that it isn’t there? Have any of you ever seen your heart? Does that mean that it isn’t inside your body still beating? Have any of you ever seen your soul? Does that meen that it isn’t there?
The fact is that we do have souls and I heard it put this way “If God did not exist than man would create one” and this is what has been done with the F.S.M. group. You have created a God and the Bible calls this idol worship. Often times groups in the Bible would create an idol to worship because they couldn’t see or hear or touch God.
God’s fingerprints are on all of creation and more and more scientists and peole are recognizing this alike. Antony Flew, one of the worlds most famous atheists has recently said that there is a God and one who is intelligent. The Bible does say clearly that man was created in his image (Genisis 1:27) so we know that God is not a flying spaghetti monster.
On another note, God’s word was written because He loves us and showed his unending love for us through his son Jesus Christs death on the cross and ultimatley, His resurrection from the grave. Romans 10:9 says that “If you declare with your mouth that Jesus is Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.” Salvation comes through Jesus Christ and Jesus Christ alone (John 14:6).
I would recommend that anyone who is a follower of this group to read not only the Bible but a series of books from a former atheist called “The Case for Christ” and “the Case for Creator” and from there you can draw your own conclusions. If you are truly seeking for answers in life than I would encourage all of you to search for those answers and don’t just give up by creating your own religion/idol.
Romans 3:23 says that “all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God”. That means you, me and everyone else in the entire world.
Think about it, if all the people in the world were on a boat in the middle of the ocean and the ship was going down and there were no lifeboats, everyone would need a Savior no matter how hard they tried to save themselves. That savior is Jesus Christ. Every other religion in the world is saved through works and Christianity is the only one where we are saved by our faith alone. Once a person proclaims that Jeesus is Lord it is up to that person to live his/her life for Him.
I hope that this has been some help to all of you.
-CD
Christianity isn’t the only religion out there.
There’s Buddhism, Hinduism, Judaism, as well as the Islamic religion. (And a bunch more. There’s technically /thousands of religions.) So, as they exist as possible “theories” am I supposed to believe in Buddha, Shiva, the Jewish God, and Alla as well as your Christian God?
Or if I leave one out will I be damned by the deity of the god I neglected?
And the organ thing is a lame example. Because I know my heart’s there. And my brain. There’s such a thing as science– and if I really want to prove to myself that I have a liver, I can always get a CAT scan or something. ;D
However, I can’t just call up God/Buddha/Shiva/Allah. I don’t have any snapshots in my family album. And I’m pretty sure he won’t pop me an IM.
Gravity can be proven by dropping something. There’s actual proof. The only thing your religion holds as proof is the Bible– and how do you know that is even true, eh?
I don’t want to talk anymore, so I’ll leave off there.
“I WANT SOLID EVIDENCE”
RAMEN, BEN.
Maybe when someone gives /me/ solid evidence, I’ll believe in /their/ deity. ;3
But for now, I’m content with my picture of His Noodliness and his creation of His mountain, tree, and midget.
I’ll do what you say, CD, when I vote conservative.
Never.
Really? Did you really use the gravity case? The consequences for falling off a cliff are very obvious. When was the last time a bolt from “God” struck somebody for lying or cheating? Many liars in fact get ahead in the real world, they’re called lawyers and salesmen. Your “God” is pure bullshit. The FSM on the other hand has touched me, he touches me when the wind blows and even when I’m in the shower….naked.
Three things:
1)”God’s fingerprints are on all of creation and more and more scientists and people are recognizing this alike.”
Nope sorry, wrong. Creationists are the only ones trying to scientifically prove God, and none of them practice anything near the scientific process. First of all, scientific process requires that you accept the assumption that your theory could be wrong. Creationists fail right out of the gate on this one. Granted Atheists who try to disprove god make similar logical fallacies. In either case, the point is god is not something that can have science applied to it, which is why it doesn’t deserve air time in the science classroom.
2) “Think about it, if all the people in the world were on a boat in the middle of the ocean and the ship was going down and there were no lifeboats, everyone would need a Savior no matter how hard they tried to save themselves.”
Actually, they’d probably all drown or those who could tread water the longest would fashion a boat out of the corpses. Faith does not save you from drowning, that has been proven more than enough times. And if you do have Faith, then you know that drowning is nothing to be afraid of. Your allegory is fundamentally flawed.
3) “Every other religion in the world is saved through works and Christianity is the only one where we are saved by our faith alone.”
So you’re saying Christians don’t actually have to be good people, they just have to believe that they are. This really doesn’t help your argument. It actually makes the other religions look better.
Oh, and as for your suggested readings: I’ve read the Bible a few times, and the latter of your two suggestions. The Bible is one of the larger reasons I’m no longer religious. And the writings of Lee Strobel, while an interesting read with some good points, are extremely one sided and hardly an endorsement of the Biblical God.
In Love and Pasta,
Pastafarian Taco
I can understand why a lot of people do not believe that God really exists because of various reasons. For one, we cannot physically see Him. Two: Because of all the different religions out there. Then there are things like child abuse, murder, rape, cancer etc, etc… How can God allow these things to happen, especially if He is a loving God?
The reason we are not to see God is because He is Holy and we are not. No man can see God face to Face in this life and live. He created us without sin, perfect and holy. Because of the sin of Adam and Eve, we all became unholy to God, sinners. God said that we will surely die if Adam ate fruit from the tree of Knowledge of good and evil, and thats why they did and why we all have to die one day…
Yes, God could just have forgiven them and carried on, but He knew that they would continue sinning. Thats why He provided a better way for us. By sending His Son to die for everybody’s sins once, so that we dont have to die for our own sins!!! He was the perfect sacrifice required by God. (I know this sounds like God was cruel, but the truth is that Jesus sacrificed Himself for us. He laid down His life so that we can receive the gift of everlasting life… He said to Peter in Matthew 26:53 “Or do you think that I am not able now to call on My Father, and He will place beside Me more than twelve legions of angels?”
All we have to do is REPENT,(which means turn away from our sins and towards God) and put our trust in Him. Only those who accept Him as Lord will be saved. Eze 18:32 “For I do not have delight in the death of him who dies, declares the Lord Jehovah. So turn and live.”
You may feel that you dont need a saviour right now, but I plead with you to at least find out more about Christ. Read the Bible, even if you have done it before! This time pray and ask God to reveal Himself to you before you start reading. Only He knows you, You will find Him if you search for Him with all year heart! Only then will you start living…
I am praying for you…
Am I the only one here that recognizes this for what it really is? It’s nothing more than a joke. Get over yourselves people. Let the rest of us have a little bit of fun. Stop trying to dictate everything for everyone else. Learn some toleration. You can’t tell me what I think or believe or joke about. Arrrrrrr.
Besides how do you know, supposing God even exists at all, that he didn’t just create the world ten seconds ago, and then put the idea of everything else into your memory; So for instance you remember what you had for breakfast, but in reality, you really didn’t have breakfast because you were spawned into being ten seconds ago. There is no way of knowing if anything is as it seems; especially some dusty old book that was written out of translation and out of context. There isn’t even a decent bibliography to back up it’s claims with hard evidence, we are simply expected to blindly believe based on what some gangster clergyman tells to to accept as truth.
Hey Gerhard,
You may feel that you dont need a saviour right now, but I plead with you to at least find out more about the Flying Spaghetti Monster. Read His gospel, even if you have done it before! This time pray and ask His Needliness to reveal Himself to you before you start reading. Only Our Noodly Mater knows you. You will be touched by His Appendages if you search for His Noodly Goodness with all year heart! Only then will you start living…
Please be sure to bow your head, close your eyes, interlock your hands, and talk to yourself about me. I will be sooo obliged if you go through the ritual.
PS: Thanks for the cock and bull story. I’m sure I’d never heard that before.