Comments on: How can you know God is a FSM http://www.venganza.org/2009/04/15/how-can-you-know/ Thu, 19 Nov 2009 01:22:55 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: plumberbob http://www.venganza.org/2009/04/15/how-can-you-know/#comment-892983 plumberbob Sun, 01 Nov 2009 23:07:10 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2009/04/15/how-can-you-know/#comment-892983 @ CD, I've pointed out to you earlier on this thread that you probably can't even read the Bible that you so vigorously mis-quote. What is the source of your fear that drives you to this book? Try this: I’ve attached a link to a talk by Dr. Andy Thomson who discusses measurements that correlate neuroscience to human religious needs and brain responses. Let’s listen to it carefully and critically: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1iMmvu9eMrg It seems to me that it correlates our physiological needs as helpless infants with our psychological fears as adults as far as MRI brain activity is concerned. RAmen @ CD,

I’ve pointed out to you earlier on this thread that you probably can’t even read the Bible that you so vigorously mis-quote. What is the source of your fear that drives you to this book? Try this:

I’ve attached a link to a talk by Dr. Andy Thomson who discusses measurements that correlate neuroscience to human religious needs and brain responses. Let’s listen to it carefully and critically:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1iMmvu9eMrg

It seems to me that it correlates our physiological needs as helpless infants with our psychological fears as adults as far as MRI brain activity is concerned.
RAmen

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]]> By: Uh? Look in your own church? http://www.venganza.org/2009/04/15/how-can-you-know/#comment-892901 Uh? Look in your own church? Sun, 01 Nov 2009 11:14:34 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2009/04/15/how-can-you-know/#comment-892901 I'm sorry, but why are there so many statues of Jesus if God is invisible? Don't christian's worship Jesus because Jesus is God or something? Or is it polytheism? Get back to me on this, I like controversy. I’m sorry, but why are there so many statues of Jesus if God is invisible? Don’t christian’s worship Jesus because Jesus is God or something? Or is it polytheism?

Get back to me on this, I like controversy.

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]]> By: Annoyed http://www.venganza.org/2009/04/15/how-can-you-know/#comment-891435 Annoyed Tue, 27 Oct 2009 22:11:58 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2009/04/15/how-can-you-know/#comment-891435 If you want to put down this religion/ site, go right ahead, but you don't need to go on and on about your religion, I don't want to hear it. Your religion turns away my family from their church, while saying that we will go to hell if we don't find God and other BS. It's a hypocritical religion and if people want to worship a Spagehetti monster, let them. Does it harm you? No, it doesn't. Even if they didn't follow the FSM, they may not follow your God. People are allowed to believe what they want, it's a frickin free country. If you want to put down this religion/ site, go right ahead, but you don’t need to go on and on about your religion, I don’t want to hear it. Your religion turns away my family from their church, while saying that we will go to hell if we don’t find God and other BS. It’s a hypocritical religion and if people want to worship a Spagehetti monster, let them. Does it harm you? No, it doesn’t. Even if they didn’t follow the FSM, they may not follow your God. People are allowed to believe what they want, it’s a frickin free country.

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]]> By: Trey http://www.venganza.org/2009/04/15/how-can-you-know/#comment-888457 Trey Wed, 21 Oct 2009 14:53:51 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2009/04/15/how-can-you-know/#comment-888457 D, Prove to me that David Killing Goliath was "acceptable" who are you to judge what is an acceptable killing? was there not a way to best Goliath and not kill him? i agree with The Beagle, i would love to hear why Evolution violates the laws of science? To say that evolution is being disproved by science is simply stupid. also i have to let you know that your Bible has been revised many times, as it states on the inside of the cover, so how can you say that its absolute truth? D,
Prove to me that David Killing Goliath was “acceptable” who are you to judge what is an acceptable killing? was there not a way to best Goliath and not kill him? i agree with The Beagle, i would love to hear why Evolution violates the laws of science? To say that evolution is being disproved by science is simply stupid. also i have to let you know that your Bible has been revised many times, as it states on the inside of the cover, so how can you say that its absolute truth?

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]]> By: john http://www.venganza.org/2009/04/15/how-can-you-know/#comment-887677 john Sun, 18 Oct 2009 19:59:34 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2009/04/15/how-can-you-know/#comment-887677 # 352, i totally agree with you. why did all these huge tragedies happen. If god really loves us, he wouldnt let us die in the thousands, he wouldnt let torture and rape and slavery exist, he would do something. he seems perfectly content to see the human race kill themselves. If he is so powerful, why doesnt he do anything. and btw CD, prove god exists more than the FSM. and the ols"we have more followers"excuse doesnt cut it. sorry but its true. question your faith and do some research. And if you are really commited, dont try to convert a bunch of FSM ers into becoming religions. P.S. christianity is composed of the old testament (jewdaism) so yes # 352, that would be plagiarism and the bible should be given a 0 on the religion test. # 352, i totally agree with you. why did all these huge tragedies happen. If god really loves us, he wouldnt let us die in the thousands, he wouldnt let torture and rape and slavery exist, he would do something. he seems perfectly content to see the human race kill themselves. If he is so powerful, why doesnt he do anything. and btw CD, prove god exists more than the FSM. and the ols”we have more followers”excuse doesnt cut it. sorry but its true. question your faith and do some research. And if you are really commited, dont try to convert a bunch of FSM ers into becoming religions.

P.S. christianity is composed of the old testament (jewdaism) so yes # 352, that would be plagiarism and the bible should be given a 0 on the religion test.

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]]> By: Captain Guiness http://www.venganza.org/2009/04/15/how-can-you-know/#comment-887666 Captain Guiness Sun, 18 Oct 2009 18:17:45 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2009/04/15/how-can-you-know/#comment-887666 "Every other religion in the world is saved through works and Christianity is the only one where we are saved by our faith alone. " Which is to say that Christians can do whatever the hell they want in life and as long as they profess a belief in Jesus and admit to their crimes weekly to their priest, they will be eternally rewarded. While someone who acts morally without belief in or fear of a god or heaven will be punished forever. The arrogance of that is what makes His Noodliness so angry from time to time. “Every other religion in the world is saved through works and Christianity is the only one where we are saved by our faith alone. ”

Which is to say that Christians can do whatever the hell they want in life and as long as they profess a belief in Jesus and admit to their crimes weekly to their priest, they will be eternally rewarded. While someone who acts morally without belief in or fear of a god or heaven will be punished forever. The arrogance of that is what makes His Noodliness so angry from time to time.

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]]> By: The Beagle http://www.venganza.org/2009/04/15/how-can-you-know/#comment-887588 The Beagle Sun, 18 Oct 2009 11:31:36 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2009/04/15/how-can-you-know/#comment-887588 You what? Evolution violates the 'laws of science'? Would you kindly give an example of how that works? It is clear that you are deluding yourself from your claim that the Bible is completely accurate, and I think that if you have found no contradictions in it whatsoever, you're possibly reading the wrong book. This is what happens if you listen to your preachers claims that evolution has no tangible or sensible evidence behind it. Quite the contrary to what you've said, Evolution by natural selection is being confirmed even more by the discovery of intermediate fossils, which funnily enough, are found in exactly the right geological strata and location that they were expected to be. And finally, I agree that humans do create evil and suffering to some degree, however, this does not account for things like viruses, and parasitic wasps that paralyze their prey, then deposit their eggs inside and wait for the larvae to eat the victimized caterpillar from the inside out. A loving creator would have either not created these things, or would have come up with a way for them to survive without causing so much pointless suffering. If you think scientific evidence is in support of the creationist argument, you're probably listening too much to uneducated Christians who claim they are scientists. You may as well say that science is finding more and more evidence to support the theory that the Sun orbits the Earth. Peace and Pasta be upon you. RAmen. You what? Evolution violates the ‘laws of science’? Would you kindly give an example of how that works?

It is clear that you are deluding yourself from your claim that the Bible is completely accurate, and I think that if you have found no contradictions in it whatsoever, you’re possibly reading the wrong book. This is what happens if you listen to your preachers claims that evolution has no tangible or sensible evidence behind it. Quite the contrary to what you’ve said, Evolution by natural selection is being confirmed even more by the discovery of intermediate fossils, which funnily enough, are found in exactly the right geological strata and location that they were expected to be.

And finally, I agree that humans do create evil and suffering to some degree, however, this does not account for things like viruses, and parasitic wasps that paralyze their prey, then deposit their eggs inside and wait for the larvae to eat the victimized caterpillar from the inside out. A loving creator would have either not created these things, or would have come up with a way for them to survive without causing so much pointless suffering.

If you think scientific evidence is in support of the creationist argument, you’re probably listening too much to uneducated Christians who claim they are scientists. You may as well say that science is finding more and more evidence to support the theory that the Sun orbits the Earth.

Peace and Pasta be upon you.
RAmen.

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]]> By: TheHalfanese http://www.venganza.org/2009/04/15/how-can-you-know/#comment-887518 TheHalfanese Sun, 18 Oct 2009 05:06:57 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2009/04/15/how-can-you-know/#comment-887518 @372, TastyAppendige Um... glad you're enthusiastic about FSM, but you're obviously new to this stuff. You see, Bobby Henderson is the FSM's prophet himself. It was he who reintroduced Pastafarianism to the world. It is he who runs this wonderful website, and it is he who posts all the hate mail on the site. He doesn't write it (like you misinterpretted), he just posts it :D @372, TastyAppendige

Um… glad you’re enthusiastic about FSM, but you’re obviously new to this stuff. You see, Bobby Henderson is the FSM’s prophet himself. It was he who reintroduced Pastafarianism to the world. It is he who runs this wonderful website, and it is he who posts all the hate mail on the site. He doesn’t write it (like you misinterpretted), he just posts it :D

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]]> By: rob http://www.venganza.org/2009/04/15/how-can-you-know/#comment-887476 rob Sun, 18 Oct 2009 02:18:31 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2009/04/15/how-can-you-know/#comment-887476 Scientist trying to prove God exist are not called scientist... so you have no proof that God exist, therefor, no supported reasons to criticize this possibly true religion. Scientist trying to prove God exist are not called scientist… so you have no proof that God exist, therefor, no supported reasons to criticize this possibly true religion.

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]]> By: plumberbob http://www.venganza.org/2009/04/15/how-can-you-know/#comment-887450 plumberbob Sun, 18 Oct 2009 00:40:21 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2009/04/15/how-can-you-know/#comment-887450 @ 388 - D - , How many pairs of each animal were on the ark? Were there seven pairs (Gen 7;2)? Was there one pair (Gen 6;19)? Why is there a difference? RAmen @ 388 – D – ,

How many pairs of each animal were on the ark? Were there seven pairs (Gen 7;2)? Was there one pair (Gen 6;19)? Why is there a difference?

RAmen

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]]> By: Teapot http://www.venganza.org/2009/04/15/how-can-you-know/#comment-887430 Teapot Sat, 17 Oct 2009 22:50:28 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2009/04/15/how-can-you-know/#comment-887430 What right does anyone have to tell people that their wrong. We who believe in the FSM are not hurting anyone by beleiving or not believing. So why do people feel the need to challenge that. This was started by x-ian extremism whoever thinks that the same strategy will end it has sadly missed the point. What right does anyone have to tell people that their wrong. We who believe in the FSM are not hurting anyone by beleiving or not believing. So why do people feel the need to challenge that. This was started by x-ian extremism whoever thinks that the same strategy will end it has sadly missed the point.

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]]> By: Jesso http://www.venganza.org/2009/04/15/how-can-you-know/#comment-887252 Jesso Sat, 17 Oct 2009 01:49:32 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2009/04/15/how-can-you-know/#comment-887252 D- All you are doing is proving how much you don't know. There is plenty of evidence for evolution (fossil records, DNA, you know... scientific stuff). Those holes in evolution are caused by this thing called the earth. See, there are earthquakes, erosion, and volcanoes. All of these things can destroy fossils. And considering the age of the fossils (millions of years), we are lucky when we find any at all. Scientists don't even think that we know close to the number of dinosaurs that actually lived, but you want us to hand you the entire evolutionary map on a platter? Are you mad? But then you go and really throw me when you say the buybull is accurate. You do know that there is no documented history of the slaying of the innocents, they cannot line up the Herod/Jesus timeline, and there is not a lot of proof that this Jesus actually existed. A book full of contradictions written 2 centuries after Jesus supposedly died is something I cannot believe in. You need to remove the wool from your eyes. D-

All you are doing is proving how much you don’t know. There is plenty of evidence for evolution (fossil records, DNA, you know… scientific stuff). Those holes in evolution are caused by this thing called the earth. See, there are earthquakes, erosion, and volcanoes. All of these things can destroy fossils. And considering the age of the fossils (millions of years), we are lucky when we find any at all. Scientists don’t even think that we know close to the number of dinosaurs that actually lived, but you want us to hand you the entire evolutionary map on a platter? Are you mad?

But then you go and really throw me when you say the buybull is accurate. You do know that there is no documented history of the slaying of the innocents, they cannot line up the Herod/Jesus timeline, and there is not a lot of proof that this Jesus actually existed. A book full of contradictions written 2 centuries after Jesus supposedly died is something I cannot believe in. You need to remove the wool from your eyes.

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]]> By: ATSAP REVOL http://www.venganza.org/2009/04/15/how-can-you-know/#comment-887227 ATSAP REVOL Fri, 16 Oct 2009 20:21:05 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2009/04/15/how-can-you-know/#comment-887227 Oh my aching ass! This thread degenerated into an illiteracy contest between Christians and Pastafarians. Looks like a tie to me. - ATSAP REVOL, The Pedant Oh my aching ass! This thread degenerated into an illiteracy contest between Christians and Pastafarians. Looks like a tie to me.
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ATSAP REVOL, The Pedant

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]]> By: Wench Sal http://www.venganza.org/2009/04/15/how-can-you-know/#comment-887226 Wench Sal Fri, 16 Oct 2009 20:20:07 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2009/04/15/how-can-you-know/#comment-887226 D, regarding your posts 387, 388, instead of just spewing, try actually presenting some actual evidence that your jeebus bullshit on a stick story is real.You don't actually have any evidence for your god, but we do for ours. Pasta and the FSM are with you every day. You'd probably spew a lot less if you just accepted the one true god, the FSM. instead of your fictional jeebus. And eating some pasta might stop your spewing anyway, since it doesn't taste as awful as that Christian crapola that you've been swallowing. D, regarding your posts 387, 388, instead of just spewing, try actually presenting some actual evidence that your jeebus bullshit on a stick story is real.You don’t actually have any evidence for your god, but we do for ours. Pasta and the FSM are with you every day.

You’d probably spew a lot less if you just accepted the one true god, the FSM. instead of your fictional jeebus. And eating some pasta might stop your spewing anyway, since it doesn’t taste as awful as that Christian crapola that you’ve been swallowing.

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]]> By: theFewtheProudtheMarinara http://www.venganza.org/2009/04/15/how-can-you-know/#comment-887216 theFewtheProudtheMarinara Fri, 16 Oct 2009 18:15:57 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2009/04/15/how-can-you-know/#comment-887216 "Have any of you ever seen your own brain? Does that mean that it isn’t there? Have any of you ever seen your heart? Does that mean that it isn’t inside your body still beating? Have any of you ever seen your soul? Does that meen that it isn’t there?" I have seen dissected bodies in a morgue. I saw brains and hearts. I did NOT see a soul, so I doubt its existence. No one has ever seen a soul, so why would you think one exists? “Have any of you ever seen your own brain? Does that mean that it isn’t there? Have any of you ever seen your heart? Does that mean that it isn’t inside your body still beating? Have any of you ever seen your soul? Does that meen that it isn’t there?”

I have seen dissected bodies in a morgue. I saw brains and hearts. I did NOT see a soul, so I
doubt its existence. No one has ever seen a soul, so why would you think one exists?

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]]> By: plumberbob http://www.venganza.org/2009/04/15/how-can-you-know/#comment-887170 plumberbob Fri, 16 Oct 2009 15:19:53 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2009/04/15/how-can-you-know/#comment-887170 @ -388-389 - D, You’ve come to our website, and you’ve obviously ignored the directive to read the Open Letter and the “About” tab material. You could have learned that our purpose is the exclusion of religious mythology from the science curricula of the public schools. In the mean time, since you’ve proposed your own mythology, it is up to you to prove to us the existence of your deity. Mis-quoting from a Hebrew/ Koine book that you probably can’t read is not accepted as proof. You must know the language, who wrote it, when it was written, and the politics and economics of the authors and editors before we can have a clear rational discussion about it. Your rage demonstrates clearly that you are out of rational debating strategies. Why don’t you stay in school and learn science, math, and philosophy? It will make the world seem a much safer place than what you’ve heard from the pulpit. Start by studying this observation by astronomer Carl Sagan: "How is it that hardly any major religion has looked at science and concluded, 'This is better than we thought! The Universe is much bigger than our prophets said, grander, more subtle, more elegant. God must be even greater than we dreamed'? Instead they say, 'No, no, no! My god is a little god, and I want him to stay that way.'" - Carl Sagan RAmen @ -388-389 – D,

You’ve come to our website, and you’ve obviously ignored the directive to read the Open Letter and the “About” tab material. You could have learned that our purpose is the exclusion of religious mythology from the science curricula of the public schools.

In the mean time, since you’ve proposed your own mythology, it is up to you to prove to us the existence of your deity. Mis-quoting from a Hebrew/ Koine book that you probably can’t read is not accepted as proof. You must know the language, who wrote it, when it was written, and the politics and economics of the authors and editors before we can have a clear rational discussion about it.

Your rage demonstrates clearly that you are out of rational debating strategies. Why don’t you stay in school and learn science, math, and philosophy? It will make the world seem a much safer place than what you’ve heard from the pulpit. Start by studying this observation by astronomer Carl Sagan:

“How is it that hardly any major religion has looked at science and concluded, ‘This is better than we thought! The Universe is much bigger than our prophets said, grander, more subtle, more elegant. God must be even greater than we dreamed’? Instead they say, ‘No, no, no! My god is a little god, and I want him to stay that way.’” – Carl Sagan

RAmen

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]]> By: Trey http://www.venganza.org/2009/04/15/how-can-you-know/#comment-887138 Trey Fri, 16 Oct 2009 13:31:59 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2009/04/15/how-can-you-know/#comment-887138 the real question here is how can you know that god isnt the FSM? the real question here is how can you know that god isnt the FSM?

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]]> By: D http://www.venganza.org/2009/04/15/how-can-you-know/#comment-884248 D Tue, 06 Oct 2009 21:01:44 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2009/04/15/how-can-you-know/#comment-884248 Hey Kali Elizabeth Diamond? Jesus saves us from our sins. You probably wonder why God lets bad things happen? Well it is man who lets bad things happen. God lets us choose from good and evil. Evil is the absence of Good. like cold is the absence of air with increasing kinetic energy. I hear people most of the time say, "Why does God let bad things happen?" Well we let it. There is a God. Scientific evidence is piling up now as techonolgy gets better. Evolution is falling apart and is a violator of science. It is but only a philosophy. Filled with what "ifs" People in the future will probably be lik, "I can't believe people believed in evolution" Kind of like today when you drop a penny and a 10 pound rock they hit the ground at the same time. Aristotle just didnt use science and thought it up using common sense. I really want science to join with religion. I go around churches to let the people know to not give up on science because what you hear on the media is false and science is just more and more evidence. Hey Kali Elizabeth Diamond? Jesus saves us from our sins. You probably wonder why God lets bad things happen? Well it is man who lets bad things happen. God lets us choose from good and evil. Evil is the absence of Good. like cold is the absence of air with increasing kinetic energy. I hear people most of the time say, “Why does God let bad things happen?” Well we let it. There is a God. Scientific evidence is piling up now as techonolgy gets better. Evolution is falling apart and is a violator of science. It is but only a philosophy. Filled with what “ifs” People in the future will probably be lik, “I can’t believe people believed in evolution” Kind of like today when you drop a penny and a 10 pound rock they hit the ground at the same time. Aristotle just didnt use science and thought it up using common sense. I really want science to join with religion. I go around churches to let the people know to not give up on science because what you hear on the media is false and science is just more and more evidence.

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]]> By: D http://www.venganza.org/2009/04/15/how-can-you-know/#comment-884245 D Tue, 06 Oct 2009 20:46:52 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2009/04/15/how-can-you-know/#comment-884245 Science is giving more evidence of a creator. Evolution violates many laws in science and I will admit, I was swindeled at a young age of believing in nothing. I on the other hand have gotten into FSM, wasnt fond of it. I am much happier being a christian because it goes by the Bible and it is a hard life to live. I just like challenges and there is nothing more challenging than christianity. ‘Thou shalt not kill’, ‘there is a time to kill’ For the thou shalt not kill part, you shall not kill out of sin. For the, ‘there is a time to kill’ part, well there is a part when David kills goliath and it was acceptable. It was not out of jealously, anger, etc. You just have to read the Bible. It is not that hard. There are a lot of metaphors, so use your imagination. So I am new at this. If I have to debate I will read the Bible like no one else. I have never found a contridiction in it. It actually is scientifically accurate, the Bible. I know it is not a science book, but it is completely accurate. Science is giving more evidence of a creator. Evolution violates many laws in science and I will admit, I was swindeled at a young age of believing in nothing. I on the other hand have gotten into FSM, wasnt fond of it. I am much happier being a christian because it goes by the Bible and it is a hard life to live. I just like challenges and there is nothing more challenging than christianity. ‘Thou shalt not kill’, ‘there is a time to kill’ For the thou shalt not kill part, you shall not kill out of sin. For the, ‘there is a time to kill’ part, well there is a part when David kills goliath and it was acceptable. It was not out of jealously, anger, etc. You just have to read the Bible. It is not that hard. There are a lot of metaphors, so use your imagination. So I am new at this. If I have to debate I will read the Bible like no one else. I have never found a contridiction in it. It actually is scientifically accurate, the Bible. I know it is not a science book, but it is completely accurate.

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]]> By: G http://www.venganza.org/2009/04/15/how-can-you-know/#comment-882506 G Wed, 30 Sep 2009 17:46:41 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2009/04/15/how-can-you-know/#comment-882506 Atchually gravity is a theory you cannot prove it is gravity that holds the universe together every idea is a theory until proved true it is impossible to prove anything false. Also if gods word is the bible then he must be a right 2 faced tard considering the amount of contradictions in it. 'Thou shalt not kill', 'there is a time to kill', oposites how the hell do you know what to believe if you follow the bibles teachings which cant even make its own mind up. Atchually gravity is a theory you cannot prove it is gravity that holds the universe together every idea is a theory until proved true it is impossible to prove anything false. Also if gods word is the bible then he must be a right 2 faced tard considering the amount of contradictions in it. ‘Thou shalt not kill’, ‘there is a time to kill’, oposites how the hell do you know what to believe if you follow the bibles teachings which cant even make its own mind up.

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