How can you know that God is a F.S.M. if he is invisible? If he is invisible how can you see him?
What is said on this website, in your books and amongst yourselves doesn’t change what the Bible and the real word of God says. Gods word is like gravity, just because people don’t believe in it doesn’t mean it’s not true and doesn’t mean there aren’t consequences to jumping off of a cliff. Someone can easily say “I don’t believe in gravity because I can’t see it, etc..because it’s an old belief….” but that doesn’t change the fact that it is there. This is like Gods laws for all of humanity.
Have any of you ever seen your own brain? Does that mean that it isn’t there? Have any of you ever seen your heart? Does that mean that it isn’t inside your body still beating? Have any of you ever seen your soul? Does that meen that it isn’t there?
The fact is that we do have souls and I heard it put this way “If God did not exist than man would create one” and this is what has been done with the F.S.M. group. You have created a God and the Bible calls this idol worship. Often times groups in the Bible would create an idol to worship because they couldn’t see or hear or touch God.
God’s fingerprints are on all of creation and more and more scientists and peole are recognizing this alike. Antony Flew, one of the worlds most famous atheists has recently said that there is a God and one who is intelligent. The Bible does say clearly that man was created in his image (Genisis 1:27) so we know that God is not a flying spaghetti monster.
On another note, God’s word was written because He loves us and showed his unending love for us through his son Jesus Christs death on the cross and ultimatley, His resurrection from the grave. Romans 10:9 says that “If you declare with your mouth that Jesus is Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.” Salvation comes through Jesus Christ and Jesus Christ alone (John 14:6).
I would recommend that anyone who is a follower of this group to read not only the Bible but a series of books from a former atheist called “The Case for Christ” and “the Case for Creator” and from there you can draw your own conclusions. If you are truly seeking for answers in life than I would encourage all of you to search for those answers and don’t just give up by creating your own religion/idol.
Romans 3:23 says that “all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God”. That means you, me and everyone else in the entire world.
Think about it, if all the people in the world were on a boat in the middle of the ocean and the ship was going down and there were no lifeboats, everyone would need a Savior no matter how hard they tried to save themselves. That savior is Jesus Christ. Every other religion in the world is saved through works and Christianity is the only one where we are saved by our faith alone. Once a person proclaims that Jeesus is Lord it is up to that person to live his/her life for Him.
I hope that this has been some help to all of you.
-CD
How can you know God is a FSM
Published by Bobby Henderson April 15th, 2009 in Hate Mail (and concerned criticism). 406 Comments
406 Responses to “How can you know God is a FSM”
Yeah, this really helps.
My eyes are open now, everything is clear and the truth has reached my soul.
The truth is some people will never understand.
Will never start to think.
Will never be touched by his noodly appendage.
And will never read the “If you’re new to the site, you’ll probably want to start here”-Site.
RAmen
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
“How can you know that God is a F.S.M. if he is invisible? If he is invisible how can you see him?”
Divine inspiration to the prophet Bobby Henderson and those who have truly given themselves to the holy noodle.
“What is said on this website, … Does that meen that it isn’t there?”
I have evidence for the existence of those things. I let go of a ball and it drops. I think and have thoughts. We’ve opened bodies and they have brains. Presumably I’m the same species so I would have a brain too. And I can feel my heart beat in my chest. Sight is not the only way to gather evidence.
“If God did not exist than man would create one”
Pretty much. In fact I read a good novel the other day that had the fact that Gods existed, but only if they could have believers, and it was those believers who brought them into existence in the first place. (Terry Pratchett’s “Small Gods” if anyone is interested. They are good books)
“The Bible does say clearly that man was created in his image (Genisis 1:27) so we know that God is not a flying spaghetti monster.”
You ever seen a model of a protein or parts of our anatomy. Very spaghetti-like. But don’t you say God is perfect? I wouldn’t say that the human body (which according to you is pretty much the same as God’s body) is perfect. There’s so much that can go wrong, and there’s always that blasted spot on your back that you can’t reach to scratch.
“On another note, God’s word was written because He loves us and showed his unending love for us through his son Jesus Christs death on the cross and ultimatley, His resurrection from the grave.”
Yes, he loves us. So he’ll condone genocide, slavery, rape, and if we do anything to displease him in the slightest he has a special place full of fire and burning and torture and pain where he will send us to burn and cry and scream for ever and ever until the end off time. (’Okay you got me God, I did take that candy bar.’ “AH HA! YOU HAVE STOLEN THEREFORE YOU DESERVE PUNISHMENT FOREVER!!!!”)
“I would recommend that anyone who is a follower of this group to read not only the Bible but a series of books from a former atheist called “The Case for Christ” and “the Case for Creator” and from there you can draw your own conclusions. If you are truly seeking for answers in life than I would encourage all of you to search for those answers and don’t just give up by creating your own religion/idol.”
Recommend somewhere I can get those cheap and I’ll give ‘em a read eventually. But I’m not paying cover price for something that I suspect is full of BS.
“Think about it, if all the people in the world were on a boat in the middle of the ocean and the ship was going down and there were no lifeboats, everyone would need a Savior no matter how hard they tried to save themselves. That savior is Jesus Christ. Every other religion in the world is saved through works and Christianity is the only one where we are saved by our faith alone. Once a person proclaims that Jeesus is Lord it is up to that person to live his/her life for Him.”
Everyone in the world is on this boat? Well no wonder it’s sinking. You’ve got too many bloody people on it! It’s only supposed to carry 50. Invest in a clicker… 48… 49… 50. Wait for the next boat please.
But seriously (not really), if I were on that boat I’d prefer a savior who could actually save my life… like superman. Some non-zombie character who could actually do more than stand on the water saying, “Accept me and you will do better in the next life.” I’ll damn well worry about a next life if and when it comes. In the meantime, I’ve got enough on my plate worrying about this one.
Peace and Long Life,
Zane
(It took a lot of will power to avoid talking about some of the spelling/grammar errors in that)
Like or Dislike:
2 
0
So… let me get this straight…
God’s word is true, because the book that God wrote says God’s word is true?
Here is a link for you to ignore: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circular_definition
In Christianity, you are saved by faith alone? So if I beat my kids, murdered in the streets, slept with goats, and pushed people off cliffs as a hobby, it’d be okay, so long as I believed that Jesus was the One True Savior? I think your own bible disagrees with you on that count.
…incidentally, Antony Flew was a really poor choice to prove your point. He became a Diest, not a Christian. In other words, he believes there *is* a God, but not necessarily the God of the Bible. Quite likely, were he alive during the time of the Revelation to Bobby, then he would have recognized his Noodly Lord and welcomed him with cutlass bared and fork ready for twirling…
Finally, a collection of links that would help you, but by this time, you have gone off to pester some other group that isn’t in lockstep with you. Possibly to declare Jihad upon them.
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=24&chapter=3&verse=28&end_verse=30&version=31&context=context
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=52&chapter=13&verse=9&end_verse=11&version=31&context=context
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=47&chapter=7&verse=1&version=31&context=verse
http://www.quotedb.com/quotes/1905
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hypocrisy
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/Irony
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/Oblivious
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
How do you know God is a bearded guy? Through the Bible? We have a holy book aswell, you know, and it clearly states a FSM created the world.
The way I know I have a heart and brains is that I know that without them, my body could not function, plus I’ve seen them in every other human being, so why not in me? I have never seen a soul, however, nor do I think it’s necessary (All functions attributed to it are located in the brain).
You also say that as long as you believe in Jesus, whatever you do next doesn’t matter. Does that mean I am evil if I do things for other people my etire life, give up everything I have for them etc., but I don’t believe in God? Does it mean I may seize power over the world, provlaim myself emperor, and torture millions of people each day because it gives me a kick, and still I’m good as long as I believe in God? That’s a really nasty, megalomanic god who doesn’t care for anything but himself, then.
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
If something is invisible, then those wavelengths of light that we perceive are not emitted by the object at hand. However, just because you cannot see it does not you cannot feel His Noodly Appendage.
His Noodliness allowed for heretics to create the fake book so titled the Bible, for it amused His Meatballs. Consequently, the Flying Spaghetti Monster does not speak, so whatever word you think is His is surely the lies of some B.C. fiction writer(s) out of a job (goat herding).
I cannot claim to have seen my brain, but if you volunteer, I will check that your’s is indeed in your head. The same goes for your heart, though I’m sure a Cat Scan or an MRI would suffice. And have you ever seen the FSM? I have. In fact, there is an IMAGE of His Noodliness on my bumped sticker (and apparently, on t-shirts, sidewalks, potted plants, clouds, and other locations worldwide.
No you! (OMG BEST COMEBACK EVER) I remind you that writing that your fake sky-daddy’s book is the word of sky-daddy does not actually make it an actual book of sky-daddy’s words. Even the unemployed goat-herders failed to get their stories to agree while wandering all about Israel as hobos.
Actually, DNA (of humans and otherwise) is full of USELESS CRAP that was only necessary back before viruses mutated and in the direction of archeans. It’d be pretty cool if we were at all efficient, but apparently there were a lot of mistakes along the way. Your sky-daddy figured it’d be fun for people to doubt his awesomeness, so he dropped those in. You know, for fun, since people on the whole are egotistical, inefficient, uncooperative, corruptible, and physically frail (at least, compared to Rhinos!). Your sky-daddy doesn’t sound like much, if we are made in his image.
That’s cool. Letting your children die must be only of your sky-daddy’s virtues, according to precedent. But then, isn’t killing also uncool? So killing your own (or others’) children wouldn’t be right (since you’re against abortion), but maybe not having any children would do the trick, right? You know, emulate your sky-daddy and feel closer to him? I’d appreciate the lack of Your children, and I’m sure His Noodliness wouldn’t mind. He’s pro-choice, after all.
I’m going to guess that a lot of atheists have read the Bible, unlike yourself, who appear to be selective in reading only pro-sky-daddy books. And we think your literature is CRAP. (Plus, the writing style is horrendous! Who edits it? The Church?)
Romans are also the guys who killed Joshua (for real, it’s not Jesus). They also had some pretty awesome military tactics, as well as advanced forms of government, and even almost-modern plumbing. Plus, they would have orgies and were cool with homosexuality and ate a lot for fun before throwing it up on purpose, so really, I don’t think they cared much for your definition of sin.
Or, they could resign to their fate, and die like the people on the Titanic died. Joshua didn’t seem to help them with getting out alive, and so far as history shows, all the scientists, comedians, entertainers, and the majority of beautiful women wouldn’t get saved. I’d prefer to die with/like them, than with boring dudes who really like to pray. It’s not like living a boring sinless life will allow me to sin like a pro in the afterlife, will it?
I hope that you go to your sky-daddy’s heaven and spend all of eternity BORED.
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
“Have any of you ever seen your own brain? ”
Yes.
“Does that mean that it isn’t there?”
Ummm… what? I just told you I’ve seen it via many methods of brain imaging.
” Have any of you ever seen your heart?”
Yes.
“Does that mean that it isn’t inside your body still beating?”
Even if I couldn’t see it, I can easily tell if it is beating or not. What a silly rhetorical question. It adds absolutely nothing to conversation.
“Gods word is like gravity”
NO IT IS NOT. God’s word is the exact opposite of gravity. Gravity is a real thing that can be subjected to repeatable experiments, and you can produce predictions with a startling amount of accuracy. God’s word is nothing like that. How can you even say that?
One day, you are going to have to think for yourself and it is going to scare you.
I appreciate the nearly proper spelling, but I cannot comment any more on this on this.
This is a stupidity that has no self-awareness. It is a cognitive dissonance so dense that nothing I could ever say could penetrate. Ideas must be distinct before logic can act upon them.
Like or Dislike:
1 
0
Just because the flying spaghetti monster can’t be seen doesn’t mean he isn’t there. You say as much yourself about God.
“The Bible does say clearly that man was created in his image (Genisis 1:27) so we know that God is not a flying spaghetti monster” Well the bible’s always right isn’t it? You people use the bible as your proof for everything yet you dismiss the glaringly obvious errors.
“Think about it, if all the people in the world were on a boat in the middle of the ocean and the ship was going down and there were no lifeboats, everyone would need a Savior no matter how hard they tried to save themselves. That savior is Jesus Christ.” so when the ship’s sinking will we all stand on a floating Jesus?
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
Bland Christ metaphors… Seen it all before…
And yes, I have read far too much of the bible and that’s one of the reasons that I am an atheist.
The difference between this website and groups in the Bible who created idols is that God tended to brutally slaughter most of them, why not us?
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
Wow CD you really are a nut aren’t you. “If God did not exist than man would create one”, perhaps the xtian god is man-made! Flew is 86 now, is said to be mentally troubled, and has also stated “that his God is not the God of any of the revealed religions”. There is absolutely NO evidence for any god. Why don’t we humans just realise that we don’t know everything yet. I am sure, over time, science will answer all the questions we raise which are currently in the realm of philosophy.
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
Wow, this one’s got pretty much the whole plethora of tired, clichéd, and irrelevant Christian arguments!
First of all, we know that He is an invisible Flying Spaghetti Monster, because, like any self-respecting religion, we have PROPHETS and GOSPEL. It’s rather a lot like the way you now that God’s an old bloke with a beard, and that the ten commandments are his idea.
And then, the ever popular you-can’t-see-it-but-you-can-feel-it argument! Very original. Sadly (for you), God is nothing like gravity. Gravity is a measurable, predictable, laws-of-fundamental-physics-compliant force. God is by definition ephemeral and undetectable. It’s a ridiculous comparison. The FSM, on the other hand, is quite a lot like the wind. I can’t see it, but I can feel it, and sometimes it smells nice.
I’m not even going to bother with the brain and heart compared to God fallacy. It’s been laughed at and overruled countless times already.
Next up, that jewel of a line “If God did not exist, man would be compelled to create him.” I hate to break it to you, sweetie (actually, that’s a lie, I don’t hate it at all, I quite like it), but that’s an argument on our side, not yours. We’re by no means the first ones to create a deity. Ours is just made from fresher ingredients than yours.
Antony Flew is one voice among many very clever people, and he was very possibly going a bit senile when he changed his tune from atheism to deism. Even if he wasn’t, he still didn’t become a Christian, only a deist, and he is definitely in the minority among atheists to even go that far.
Then we have a lot of dross about how we are all miserable sinners and need to accept Jesus. This is really rather like telling us to be good or the easter bunny won’t come. And if we are all in a shipwreck, let’s eat some chocolate eggs, because they’ll help, just like Jesus will. (Although probably rather less than our piratical life skills learnt from Pastafarianism will.)
I think the whole Christian thought system in ingrained in some of you so thoroughly that you fail to realize, if one rejects the original premise – We’re all miserable hopeless sinners – then the whole shebang and shebible is moot. We’re not miserable and hopeless, and most of us are even fairly decent people, and so we don’t need a Messiah any more than I need a lifeboat in my 18th floor apartment.
Anyway, you’re not helping anyone, not even yourself, and in addition, you need to learn to spell.
Have a noodlicious day.
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
Ours is a manmade god, but so is yours. Your evidence, the bible, was written by stoneage desert dwelling nomads who`s relevance to todays world diminishes by the day. I enjoyed reading your post and appreciate the civil manner in which you state your case.
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
Dear CD,
You obviously have not read The Gospel. While the FSM is usually invisible, he does appear to people occasionally. You will even find evidence of his apparitions on Youtube.
Since you mention gravity, there is also an explanation of gravity in The Gospel. Basically, it is His noodly appendages that keep us on the ground. Incidentally, this is the reason why an increase in population results in taller people. But I won’t explain further…I’ll leave you to read the truth in The Gospel of the FSM.
The Christian Bible may say that man was created in his image (what about women?), but we know that the one true Gospel says that actually, “we were created in His IDEAL image: that of the Pirate. Since then, we’ve come to resemble other people’s Gods” (The Gospel of the FSM – Unified Spaghetti Theory page 55).
And yes, we do know that God IS the Flying Spaghetti Monster. You will several proofs…just read The Gospel.
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
Hmmm, I think this is fake as the arguments are too silly. On the off chance it’s not…
Comparing God to gravity or other things we can’t see is a poor comparison. We can see the effects of gravity and brains, we can’t see any effects from God.
Quoting the bible as fact is pointless without any proof it’s accurate.
The boat comparison is very poor. If we were all in a sinking boat we’d most likely drown, with no saviour. Let’s drown in style!
Anthony Flew is no longer an atheist but so what. He was right and he’s now wrong, he holds no authority over me. Even then, he does not follow the bible literally and has said “I’m thinking of a God very different from the God of the Christian and far and away from the God of Islam, because both are depicted as omnipotent Oriental despots, cosmic Saddam Husseins”
Sorry CD, your arguments are poor.
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
Cd…
First off, your premise is flawed from the start. The “bible” (“God’s word”) that you are quoting from is a collection of fiction (fic⋅tion/ˈfɪkʃən/ [fik-shuhn] –noun
the class of literature comprising works of imaginative narration, esp. in prose form). I have included the definition, just in case you do not care to look it up.
This codex of letters, prose, ancient law, and genealogy tables was written by men who claim divine inspiration has been translated into several different languages and back again by scribes, who were working from memory a good portion of the time. As often as not, the actual words used in those translations varied from author to author.
Then you have the “Church” which has been deciding for centuries what parts of those “scriptures” are “actually the word of God” and which parts are not, the most recognized version of this is known as the “King James” bible. Ever hear of the Apocrypha and the Pseudepigrapha?
Why should we accept your god and your “scriptures” as true when the only difference between your deity and Zeus, Jupiter, Odin, Shangdi and countless others is simply the number of people who currently choose to believe those writings?
RAmen.
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
Being able to walk on water, Jesus better darn well be there as a savior. I just hope he has the upper body strength to hold all the passengers. Or maybe he has the Flash’s super speed and can rescue them all one by one.
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
No help at all, actually. Can’t you think of anything more useful to do with your life ?
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
How can you pretend to know anything since you have apparently failed completely in your ability to read and do any research. HAD you spent even a quarter of the time actually looking at stuff you would have save yourself the other 3/4 and found that the majority of your preconceived notions are DEAD wrong.
So far you have proven that you are a complete waste of time.
Congratulations.
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
How can you know that yahweh is god if he is invisible? If he is invisible how can you see him?
What is said on among you, or at your church doesn’t change what the gospel of FSM and the real word of FSM says. FSM’s word is like gravity, just because people don’t believe in it doesn’t mean it’s not true and doesn’t mean there aren’t consequences to jumping off of a cliff. Someone can easily say “I don’t believe in gravity because I can’t see it, etc..because it’s an old belief….” but that doesn’t change the fact that it is there. This is like FSM’s laws for all of humanity.
I heard it put this way “If FSM did not exist than man would create one” and this is what has been done with the Christianity and Islam. You have created a god and I call this idol worship. Often times groups in the world create an idol to worship because they can’t see or hear or touch FSM.
Antony Flew got a little senile, that’s all.
The gospel of FSM says that we are created by Spaghetti, so the claim that we are made in the mind of the creator is clearly baseless.
I would recommend that you read not only the gospel of the FSM but a series of books from real atheists called “The God Delusion”, “God: the Failed Hypothesis”, “God is not great: How religion poisons everything” and from there you can draw your own conclusions. If you are truly seeking for answers in life than I would encourage you to search for those answers and don’t just give up by saying god did it.
Think about it, if all the people in the world were on a boat in the middle of the ocean and the ship was going down and there were no lifeboats, everyone would need a Savior no matter how hard they tried to save themselves. That savior is the FSM. Every other religion in the world requires you to accept their doctrine and threaten you with hell if you don’t. But once a person does good things the FSM rewards him with the beer volcano and stripper factory regardless of his beliefs.
I hope that this has been some help for you.
PS: Boy, why are some people so patronizing.
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
A help to us? Sorry – not at all.
The only “evidence” you – or any other Christian in history – have given us for the existence of God is your own plagarized, heavily-edited book of fables, absurdities and contradictions. The BuyBull also clearly says that rabbits chew their cud, and that the entire world can be seen from a mountain top.
The Gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster clearly states there is a beer volcano waiting for us in the next life. Does that make it so?
Tolkien’s Two Towers clearly states there are talking trees called “ents”. Fact because it is written?
I would suggest that you read the God Delusion.
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
Sigh…These people just make me feel tired and depressed. Undereducated, narrow-minded and without the slightest shred of humour. They need to ask themselves, why do I believe in this particular deity, what would I believe if I was born into another culture? This will never happen, of course, because they are taught never to question. Closed minds are desirable and holy. Oh yes, and once again…SPELLCHECK!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I understand,CD, that you aren’t well educated but please use spellcheck as a courtesy to these of us who are offended by bloody ignorance.
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
Wow, this could be the dumbest one yet?
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
Oh my!
Where to start………..
You’re god’s invisible. You beleive in him?
There is proof of gravity. Experimental, repeatable, confirmable PROOF.
I have seen my brain – on an x-ray. So there is PROOF. I have also seen my heart on an x-ray and heard it beat….. again PROOF.
If everyone were going down in a ship, the ones asking jeezus for help will still be at the bottom with the non believers.
We HAVE read the bible and that’s why we are atheists. I will life my life for myself and my family and friends – not an imaginary being.
Your god is a vengeful, nasty, mysogynistic, mudering, lazy bastard and why you worship him and his strange rituals and demands confuses and bothers me.
I have not sinned or fallen short of anyone and I refuse to kowtow to your horrendous idol or apologise for something I didn’t do.
YOU should read some Richard Dawkins. Or better yet read the bible again but with an open mind, and see it for the nasty, illiterate, rambling, ambiguos, violent and destructive piece of garbage it really is.
OOPS … wait – I forgot your a christian …. you don’t have an open mind.
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
Wow. Those circular arguments leave my head spinning. Classic examples of forming an argument to support a belief. Sorry CD but it should work the other way around. Beliefs should be supported by observations…evidence.
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
It has been some help, CD.
When I first started reading your note, I began planning a detailed, sarcastic flaying of your entire set of arguments. Then, as I read further, I abandoned this futile ambition, as I realized that you didn’t have anything coherent enough to be worth attacking. You are a sad, intolerant, thoughtless little dogmatist who can’t even spell ‘Jesus’ right.
Thank you for helping me realize I was wasting my time and energy.
PS: Get a life.
RON.
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
It’s finally happened! Someone yammering bible verses at me has made me see the light!
Oh, wait. No it hasn’t. It’s just cemented in me what narrow-minded creatures xians are.
RAmen
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
You cant see the forest for the trees. To your first question: that is the point. Second you cant use the bible to prove the bible.That argument is circular. Third everything you say about his noodliness can be said of god as well. But hey, I don’t teach science in your churches so plz don’t teach your religion at my school.
Peace
Ramen
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
Did you just compare words attributed to magical god to a measurable atomic force? You would fail a high school earth science trash like that. Sight in not the only source for empirical evidence and in the case of gravity if you don’t trust any of your senses there are still instruments that can measure it. Just like how my fork vibrates a little when FSM is in the area.
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
“The Bible does say clearly that man was created in his image (Genisis 1:27) so we know that God is not a flying spaghetti monster.”
May I direct you to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bare_assertion_fallacy
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
Thanks for reminding me of what Missionary Zeal is.
In your honour, I shall place a couple of dozen stickers and some Pastafarian tracts inside Gideon bibles, and inside christian books in our local library.
I hope you feel better soon, and that you may either give up on Jesus, or learn to spell his name.
May your serve be al dente,
Pastor Fairy-Anne
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
Congratulations. You first used crappy examples comparing things that have truckloads of evidence to back them up (gravity) to someones imaginary friend, used a work of fiction as evidence, and in the end provided a totally made up analogy of the world being a boat with no life boats (which by the way does not bode well for the intelligence of its designer).
.
Oh, and, why are you sure that it’s not your god which has been made up? IMHO Religion is just a way of alieveating man kinds fear of the unknown – wheter it’s ligthning or death. If you get a bunch of nice stories to go with it (Bible, quaran, budhist books, our gospel), good for you.
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
You have it bass-ackwards. Why should “God” be the FSM? We don’t accept that the “God” you refer to is even a valid concept, far less something that actually exists. We just worship the FSM as if it was a god, but without all that “God” stuff attached. Ramen!
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
I love the cognitive dissonance here that comes from the assumption that FSM is real. 1) How can you believe in the FSM if he’s invisible!!! 2) Watch me make multiple arguments why you should believe in MY invisible god.
Swift.
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
This website is too subtle for you. Go away.
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
So let me get this straight. Starts with an awesome argument that the FSM couldn’t exist because he’s invisible. I can dig this logic.
Uh oh, his invisisble god is the real one. Oh well…
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
If they people were pirates, they would survive and have no need for saviors.
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
Do you realize the flaws in your argument? You’re using the bible to prove the bible. And how do you know God is not a Flying Spaghetti Monster? Just because your god book is older than ours, doesn’t mean it’s more accurate. Age does not prove accuracy. Atheists are not just atheists because they cannot see your deity, they are atheists because there is no proof of god. any god. Gravity was proven, god is still waiting. Well, actually, he’s not waiting, he doesn’t exist.
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
When I first read this, there were no posted replies. At the moment I am too busy to write my own (other than this note), but I can hardly wait to see the other responses. I will say, however, that this is one of the nicest messages to appear in “Hate Mail (and concerned criticism)” area. Complete sentences, correct spelling and proper punctuation. Brilliant!
RAmen
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
“Just because you can not see it (invisible) does not mean it is not there”
Sound Familiar?
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
CD, why is your described method of creating a god valid for the xian god but not for any other? If god is invisible, how can you be sure he/she/it is NOT the FSM? Using the bible to prove the bible is not logic, it’s circular reasoning. Just because people believe in the bible and xianity doesn’t make it true. I’ll give you bonus points for spelling and grammar, but no points for logic. CD, if you read this, come join us on the forums. You seem very unlike most of the hate-spewing xians who post here, and I’m sure we could have some meaningful discussions, though you might want to prepare yourself to back up your arguments with something other than the bible.
RAmen
ET
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
“How can you know that God is a F.S.M. if he is invisible? If he is invisible how can you see him?”
You spend so much time professing that one is out of their mind to believe in something you cannot see, but I want to know how many times you have seen the god of the bible? You also go on to state that *his* fingerprints are all over the creation. Where is this evidence that is turning all these scientists into believers that you speak of? Once again, lots of babble with little substance, and definitely not one shred of evidence in your favor except “I’m right, you’re wrong….have faith in Christ.” The same old mindless drivel.
As for all of these so-called atheists becoming believers, that is a load of crap. If there are any, then they were simply agnostics pining for divinity in the first place, and not true atheists. I have never known one single atheist to change their mind overnight. I also want to point out to you that Mr. Flew did not convert to the religion of the bible, but believes more along the lines of “Deism”. The two are NOT the same and you people need to get that!
I also want to make you aware that I read “The Hidden Face of God”, which was the book that supposedly made him turn to deism, and while it was a decent read, it was nothing more than some scientist not being able to figure out the “why” behind existence, so he assumed the answer *must* be god. I wasn’t convinced and my atheism remains quite unchanged.
Finally, why don’t you try reading “Godless”, “Atheism Explained”, “Atheist Universe”, “God: The Failed Hypotheis”, “The Demon-Haunted World”, “God is Not Great”, or “The God Delusion”. I could name countless others, but the point is: there are just as many books that refute your “cases for Christ” and all of them contain more substance than your books will ever have.
May you soon be touched by His Noodly Appendage.
RAmen!
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
I think I see the confusion here. You think the FSM isn’t your God. Clearly there is only one God, and He is Noodly.
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
How can you know god is a human(oid)?
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
Lol. I gave up my belief in gravity some time ago and have never been happier. Always felt like it was weighing me down:) CD you are an idiot but an amusing one. I would go through your entire letter picking holes but it would take too long.
RAmen
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
@CD – I actually HAVE seen my brain on an MRI – pretty cool. Didn’t see any soul, though. It must be in a different part of my body that wasn’t on the MRI, possibly my left buttock.
Wait! Does that mean that people with no buttocks have no soul!?! If I step on a land mine and survive but I get my ass blown off, does that mean that my ass goes to heaven while the rest of me is stuck down here!?! I think you’re on to something here! I need to hang on to my ass like my life depends on it!
By the way, just because these little spurious arguments are enough to convince you to give up your life doesn’t mean that the rest of us are morons, too. You people are so damned TEDIOUS. I swear to FSM I want to poke my eyes out every time I see another one of these “helpful” little diatribes from buy bull thumping robots who want me to turn off my brain. Please go away.
Ramen
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
If I go in for surgery and they cut me open (be it brain, heart, whatever) they will see all of my internal organs. They can search around my entire body as long as they want but they will never see a soul. Comparing a soul to an organ is like comparing David Blaine to Harry Potter.
The whole “boat going down” thing… idiotic. If all the people in the world were on a boat in the middle of an ocean they would all be killing each other over religion LONG before the boat started to sink, and even if it did sink I am sure a boat carrying everyone in the world would have at least one life raft.
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
First, let me express my appreciation for a posting that is both coherent, spell-checked, and lacking expletives. You have decidedly earned a bit of respectability by acting like an intellectual, rather than a monkey throwing excrement.
Now, CD, it seems that you have thoroughly missed the purpose of the movement behind the FSM. You are very right in claiming that our god, the Flying Spaghetti Monster, is invisible; the only evidence we have of his divine existence is in the form of a recently-published (and available at bookstores worldwide or at Amazon.com) gospel, and the testimonies of some personal experiences.
If, instead of making the claim that our god is not “the” god, or not a god at all, you attacked the FSM by stating that we completely lack verifiable, non-psychologically induced, empirical evidence to support our claims, you would be in possession of a very strong case against our religion. The irony of this situation should be evident: you claim that our religion is false on the basis that yours is better, though you still fail to offer adequate tangible evidence. In fact, what you are making here, is the “Celestial Teapot” argument (search google or wikipedia for more). Again, it is ironic here because this is the exact same logic we’re demanding when dealing with christians who offer little evidence.
Believe me, please, when I tell you that I have given every opportunity to your religion and many others. I was, for a short time, a christian. I read the bible as a religious person, and I did read “the Case for Christ.” Unfortunately, I considered myself more intelligent than the rest of the people who came to my church, and found it quite insulting that some high-school-dropout who believed strongly enough was glorified as the pastor by this group of people, therefore giving him license to teach them (at the time including me) of morals, scripture, and purpose in life.
The experience soured me on religion, and I started looking for other stories. I read Sam Harris’s “the End of Faith”, Richard Dawkin’s “the God Delusion”, and a number of essays by Bertrand Russell, among many other texts about atheism. It didn’t take long for me to recognize that I have no idea about a god or afterlife, and neither does anyone else. My scientific mind would rather see the plain and mean truth (that there is no god and death is the end of a harsh existence) than live with some fantastically unbelievable but comforting lie (that a god exists who will welcome me when I die so I can live forever). Since my de-conversion, I’ve studied a great number of religions, for personal interest, as well as for academics. I’ve even managed to read your book, the bible, as a work of literature. Having removed the rosy-colored glasses, the “good book” looked a lot less appealing as a moral guide, as the basis of a religion, and as a work of fiction.
Truly, I applaud you for believing your religious principles enough to care about the “eternal souls of the lost” which congregate at this web site. Continue to follow your teachings, just as we will each continue to live our lives according to our own self-developed moral compasses. If we choose to believe, for even a fleeting moment, that perhaps a Flying Spaghetti Monster is watching over this world filled with too many violent and militaristic religious beliefs, can you really blame us?
-Josh Rrrr
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
Just switch all occurences of the FSM for the Christian god and vice versa. No meaning is lost.
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
Um, this one’s gotta be a joke. How do you start with “your god is invisible so you can’t know it’s there” and then move on to “how do you know you have a brain if you can’t see it?” That’s some crazy double standard reasoning to get to “my book is more betterer than your book at dictating which magic sky beast is real.”
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
How can you know that God is __________ [fill the gap with your god] if he is invisible? If he is invisible how can you see him?
What is said on the Bible, in your books and amongst yourselves doesn’t change what the Gospel of the FSM and the real word of FSM says. FSM word is like gravity, just because people don’t believe in it doesn’t mean it’s not true and doesn’t mean there aren’t consequences to jumping off of a cliff. Someone can easily say “I don’t believe in gravity because I can’t see it, etc..because it’s an old belief….” but that doesn’t change the fact that it is there. This is like FSM laws for all of humanity.
Etc.
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
“How can you know that God is a F.S.M. if he is invisible? If he is invisible how can you see him?”
and
“Gods word is like gravity, just because people don’t believe in it doesn’t mean it’s not true and doesn’t mean there aren’t consequences to jumping off of a cliff.”
are inherently contradictory, if you reject the idea that God can punish you (which I do with the Christian God, and you do for the FSM).
Therefore, your argument makes no sense.
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
LOL
“f you are truly seeking for answers in life than I would encourage all of you to search for those answers and don’t just give up by creating your own religion/idol.”
How do you think any religion came to exist? People wanted to believe in something higher or better and create a diety that was the image of it. In this case a Flying Spaghetti Monster.
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
He spoke to me and told me so. Duh.
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
you are still arguing there is a god with only one source…your god. do you not see the lack of validity that creates? your faith is admirable, and this website is obviously to poke fun at the faithful so i understand your frustration, but telling me there is a god because god said so does not convince me and it never will for that matter. “The Bible does say clearly that man was created in his image (Genisis 1:27) so we know that God is not a flying spaghetti monster.” are you kidding me? this is your argument? your cause will be better served if no one actually reads this. Im not even saying that I don’t believe in God, i just think that when you argue like this it actually makes people feel patronized. “Once a person proclaims that Jesus is Lord it is up to that person to live his/her life for Him. I hope that this has been some help to all of you.” Yea. thank you sooo much for your insightful help. You know im a dumbass and have never thought of it that way. questioned faith will always be more valuable than blind faith. people have to question and in some cases defy to feel satisfied, and that is what the faithful don’t understand. pressure from someone else saying “believe! this is His truth!” is not effective. so if you really are trying to “help” people try not to be so damn self righteous.
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
“You have created a God”
And who created your god? And who created all the other gods?
“because He loves us”
That’s my favourite. If he loves us so much, why is the world so bad? Why do we need WWW and other similar groups?
Now, I’m not saying god is a bad thing. We all need a god, or something to believe in. Otherwise no one would have inhibitions. A god is necessary but church and dogma is not.
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
You lost me in the first couple sentences. Since when was gravity optional for some people?
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
Hello CD:
I’m not sure that I see your point. How can you know that Jehovah is the creator if he is invisible? If he is invisible how can you see him?
How do you know that the Bible is the real word of the creator, and that The Gospel of the FSM is not?
What if I said “The FSM’s word is like gravity, just because people don’t believe in it doesn’t mean it’s not true and doesn’t mean there aren’t consequences to jumping off of a cliff.” Is that a rational statement? If not, how does it become rational when “Jehovah” (or “Zeus” or “Loki” or “Ra” is substituted for “FSM”?
CD, I urge you to go to http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T69TOuqaqXI and listen to what is said there. I hope you will someday understand the nature of your own convictions about Jehovah.
Best always — Terry
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
First, whoever said the FSM is invisible? He’s not the IPU for god’s sake. Besides, you argue that because we can’t see Him, He doesn’t exist, but I’ve never seen the God of the Bible either. (Note also that the FSM, in all likelihood, wrote the Bible Himself, if only to test our faith in Him.
Second, you argue that even though we can’t see our hearts or brains or souls, doesn’t mean they don’t exist. But we can see our brains and our hearts using x-rays or cat scans! Funnily enough, we’ve never found a technology that would show us our “souls”.
Next, you say:
So you admit that god does not exist?
Finally, I would bet if a ship was going down in the middle of the ocean, that Christians would die at the same rate as Hindus, Muslims, Pastafarians, and Trekkies. Your “Savior” isn’t going to pop out of thin air and give you a hand anymore than the Starship Enterprise is going to fly down and save you.
Scotty B
p.s. In both places you use it, it should be “then” not “than”, although this in and of itself does not detract from your argument.
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
Have you ever read the bible with an open mind? Try it, it might surprise you. Most followers of FSM believe in scientific method, a good means to evaluate the bible by. Or completely disect and rule it out if you will.
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
“How can you know that God is a F.S.M. if he is invisible?”
The same way YOU know all about YOUR god. A book told us so!
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
Just because I never saw the Tooth Fairy, doesn’t mean she doesn’t exist either. But God has never left money under my pillow. It’s easier to believe in the Tooth Fairy.
Terry
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
Interesting. You question the existence of FSM because no one has seen him but then tell us why your god is real even though no one has seen him. Some serious pot calling the kettle black going on here.
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
Oooooh!!!
I’ve actually read those books, too!
I’ve read “The Case for Christ”, “The Case for a Creator”, and even Antony Flew’s book, “There is a God”. I’m working on “Answering the New Atheism” and “I don’t have enough faith to be an Atheist”.
Anyway, having read them (and the Bible, too; I went through four years of Bible-study classes) I can tell you that it *is* true; the Flying Spaghetti Monster is the One who created everything and Lee Strobel and Antony Flew are simply delusional.
Look around on this site, CD, and you’ll notice that we’ve had MANY sightings of the FSM, so we know what He looks like, and therefore know that our creator *didn’t* create us in His image, despite what your book says.
So we haven’t personally seen our brain, but it’s there. We haven’t personally seen our heart, but it’s there. We haven’t personally seen our soul, but we also HAVE NEVER EVER SEEN ONE EVER when we cut up dead people and, unlike the brain and the heart, we can’t seem to detect our soul with any modern scientific equipment.
Contrast this with the FSM. We’ve seen Him all around us, showing Himself and His likeness to us everyday. We have SCIENTIFIC PROOFS for His existence in the Gospel of the FSM.
You might say that the Gospel of the FSM is “just a book written by an out-of-work physics major” or even “not old enough to be a holy book”, but the Gospel is full of REPEATABLE scientific experiments that prove the existence of the FSM. Also, the FSM is just waaay more awesome than your misogynistic and narcissistic Magic Man in the Sky.
Also, I like spaghetti. And pirates are awesome.
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
If I were on a boat in the middle of the ocean and the ship was going down with no hope of rescue, I would stand and laugh at the people praying while I drank and laugh with others in the bar.
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
“Christianity is the only one where we are saved by our faith alone”
Nope, Catholicism and Orthodox Christianity require salvation by good works as well as by faith.
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
Well, there is proof of the exsistence of gravity…
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
What a goon! The usual mindless bible-oriented drivel, but then he goes and quotes Voltaire: “if god did not exist, it would be necessary to invent him”. Is he too dim to see that that quote is as unhelpful to him as it is sarcastic?
Put down the bible, cretin, and read ‘Candide’. It’ll teach you a lot about how the real world works, plus it’s very funny.
Oh – and by the way, does he really think his ’saviour’ would save anybody from a sinking boat?
Oh – and the majority of Christians in this world, including all Catholics and Orthodox, do not believe in salvation by faith alone.
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
With that many moronic strawmen in one place, I think we now have enoug fuel to keep the orphanage heated through the winter! Huzzah!
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
That was an erudite, clear and polite commentary. CD, we believe that everyone is entitled to believe whatever they want. Don’t go turning into a Jehovah’s Witness – you know how much people hate them (more than the French).
I’ve seen my brain (ah the human miracle of ultrasound), its small but its there. I can feel my heart beating so I know its there. The soul issue I’m not sure about, the argument that just because you can’t see or feel it doesn’t mean its not there works both ways – it might not be there.
BTW the comment about the boat sinking and needing a saviour is not very useful. Prepare for lots of smart alec comments about the coastguard, life preservers emergency beacons etc.
Anyway, thanks for the concerned criticism without swearing for a nice change. Believe in whatever you want, its freedom of choice – one of God’s great gifts.
Cheers.
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
*shakes head* I believe in gravity because I see its effects; likewise with my heart and brain, and I have seen actual brains of other people. I have not seen any evidence for the Christian God, and much of the supposed evidence in the Bible runs contrary to science and logic. As for the soul, that depends on what you mean by that word – I have not seen any evidence for a soul that exists apart from a working brain, and so I do not believe in that either. Seriously, if you have real evidence, by all means share it, but until then we will continue to follow our feelings and experiences, and worship the mighty, loving, and most of all, fun, FSM. RAmen,
Sarah
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
-CD,
There are lots of unsubstantiated allegations in your letter. If you can even read Genesis, I’d be happy to discuss it with you. I will discuss who wrote it, when it was written, the politics of the time, and the editor, and why it is as it is.
If you won’t come to the discussion, I’ll assume that you are another ignorant, uneducated troll, regurgitating what’s been fed to you to prepare your liver for foie gras.
RAmen
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
Well, there you have it! It’s in print, so it MUST BE TRUE! The bible says so! But, oops, which bible? In what original language? Doesn’t it seem to provoke at least a little bit of thought in anyone else that before the printing press, the bible was “reprinted” by hand? By whom? Holy crap (so-to-speak), we can’t even narrow down what people today are trying to say when we have it on tape, word-for-word!
Faith, for most, is natural. Religion is a man-made concept.
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
Best one in awhile
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
Nuts!
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
CD, I guess the point is your whole argument is based on the Bible. If you don’t believe in it (most people don’t), your post is nothing but inane quoting of ancient ramblings.
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
Well-written, almost completely free of spelling errors, numerous citations… seen worse. But the ENTIRE post is rendered moot by the very first line: “How can you know that God is a F.S.M. if he is invisible? If he is invisible how can you see him?”
Change one thing and…
How can you know that God is a “FLYING SKY DUDE” if he is invisible? If he is invisible how can you see him?
Voila.
As for the rest, you ARE aware that the contents of the Bible were VOTED on by a bunch of Representatives whose own interests were in mind, right? Some word of god. Oh, and by the way, though Antony Flew has converted to Deism, he has… well… a direct quote probably is best: “I’m thinking of a God very different from the God of the Christian and far and away from the God of Islam, because both are depicted as omnipotent Oriental despots, cosmic Saddam Husseins”, and has repeatedly explicitly stated he is not a Christian, so not very helpful to your argument.
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
Nope. No help at all, OCD. Quoting a book written by a committee of ‘wise men’ in the 1300s does nothing for me.
Try again.
TBHNA
BCA
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
P.S. The Invisible Pink Unicorn thinks you’re a bitch.
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
“How can you know that God is a F.S.M. if he is invisible? If he is invisible how can you see him?”
Well, how can you know he DOESN’T look like a F.S.M if he’s invisible??
“if all the people in the world were on a boat in the middle of the ocean and the ship was going down and there were no lifeboats, everyone would need a Savior no matter how hard they tried to save themselves. That savior is Jesus Christ”
i didn’t know that Jesus can swim! little no to save HUNDREDS if not THOUSANDS of people all by him self!
i mean, he’s just a man!
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
Meh.
This just makes me shake my head.
Are you telling us that your faith is stronger simply because our god is made of noodley goodness? FSM isn’t a worthy god simply because he doesn’t look like a man and isn’t Jesus? You quote the bible, saying that God made man after his own image, but did God WRITE the bible? No. So how do you know? Because it’s written by the hands of man, who, if you haven’t noticed, like to think themselves higher than most things? Yeah, mankind must be the shit, if God modeled them after Him.
Meh.
Another thing, though, that bothered me. You compared your God and gravity. All right. So, since there is gravity, or something keeping up from floating upwards, there must be a God, because we can’t see him either? Boo. That just reminds me of a time where everyone thought the world was flat, and if you went too far you’d fall off of the edge, or a time when people believed the universe revolved around Earth, but that turned out wrong too.
I’m not really trying to make a point with the last paragraph, or any of ‘em really, just… felt like sharing the mind vomit your ‘criticism’ caused.
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
This one is actually relatively intelligent. I understand CD, that you are afraid for us, we aren’t and we don’t want you to be.
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
Dear CD,
Switch to DVD.
1) You can feel a heartbeat. You can see it in low intensity X-Rays. You can yank one out of a living thing. That’s how we know it’s real.
2) See above for brain, substitute for MRI.
3) “Soul” and “Fact” do not belong together in a sentence.
4) Using the bible to substantiate the claims of the bible is like trying to hit a hammer with itself.
5) We believe in gravity because when what goes up comes down.
God does not exist, and man did create one – Jesus. Who probably never existed.
Please submit to the will of the FSM. Into his noodly care do I commend thee. Do not suffer the wrath of his meaty balls.
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
What makes Yahweh or Jesus any more believable than FSM?
Nobody’s seen any of them.
You seem to be arguing that because the Bible is 2,000+ years old, it is a more reliable source of knowledge and “truth” than the Gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster. This argument is null and void. When was the last time you had a sickness or disease cured with leeches? Old does not equal right.
If you were to change every instance of “God” and “Jesus” with “FSM” and vice-versa, and “Christianity” with “Pastafarianism”, your critical points would remain unchanged, except that the overall theme would be pro-FSM instead of pro-Christianity. This makes your argument flawed.
I appreciate your concern, but making a claim based on the assumption that “my way is just HOW IT IS and your way is wrong because it’s not my way” is silliness.
Flying Spaghetti Monster is just as real and believable as Jesus/Yahweh/Thor/Vishnu/Krishna/Buddha/Moses/Voltron/Super-Mega-Ultra-Zord. Have a nice day. :)
RAmen.
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
Why does following the Flying Spaghetti Monster necessarily mean that I’m, as you say, “giving up”? I like the Flying Spaghetti Monster, and his dogma-free setup leaves me plenty of time to ACTUALLY find some of life’s answers. Because the answers to modern life sure aren’t in a 2,000+ year-old book full of fairy tales.
Why hasn’t anyone been able to walk on water in 2,000 years?
If Yahweh loves us, why hasn’t he shown himself, or created a second child for us to see and appreciate?
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
FSM created all these questions you pose, to confuse you. Confusion about the truth is what created your Christianity.
One day you too will be touched by his noodley appendage. One day you will see the truth.
Noodle be with you.
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
This HAS to be a joke.
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
Well CD,
Have you ever seen your god? He’s invisible too but you beleive in him. You’re bible says man was created in gods image, our holy text says no such thing so it’s not true.
Your god is just as much an idol as ours or any other religion’s god is for that matter, you just can’t get your head around that fact.
And the bible quotes…how many times do we have to tell you people, they make no difference to us. I might as well quote this from Moby Dick:
“Better sleep with a sober cannibal than a drunken Christian.”
Only I think Moby Dick is a better book.
We don’t believe in the bible. It’s a book written by priest centuries after the fact. It is not a holy book to us so quoteing it is a waste of time.
And if we were all on a boat and sinking we’re all dead, your god or christ won’t save you either, you will drown. If that is the salvation your christ gives you, I’ll stay with my beer volcano and stripper factory thank you very much.
Ra’men
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
No help at all. (tape rewinds, plays again: you cannot use your own religious texts as proof of your own god…) Also, learn how to spell genesis.
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
While it certainly is a nice change for a friendly, well-spoken and nice Christian to come along, you must understand that the FSM is not a real religion. It was created so as to provide a counter-argument to ID, with a quite ridiculous (althought tasty) alternative that if ID is taught, so must Pastafarianism.
Pastafarianists may come from all religions, such as Christians, Atheists, Muslims, Buddhist etc. We are not solely an atheist group, or solely a group of nutjobs who believe in a Flying Spaghetti Monster.
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
Has anyone else noticed that all serious Christians/Creationists cite “Former Atheists” in their arguments?
Really.
And I can guarantee that there are more former-Christian-turned-Atheists than former-Atheists-turned-Christian. I’m one of the former myself, as are almost every Atheist I know…
Also, gravity is scientifically proven, as are the facts that we have brains and hearts [also you can feel your heartbeat, so fail on that account]. God is just an idea that has not, will not, and cannot be scientifically proven.
So, preach all you want, but everything you’re saying is total bullshit.
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
First of all the fact of gravity is not like God. Gravity is an observed phenomena which can be tested using the scientific method. Secondly anatomy is based in matter so of course it is different to God and of course we know we have brains, hearts etc. A position of subjective relativism doesn’t help you there in your argument. As for the ’seeing the soul’ question, no, I haven’t seen my soul, but then I don’t believe in souls, other than in a metaphorical sense (as a christian you should be aware that the dualist notion of the soul is derived from Plato, not from Judaism or from the Bible, indeed, the duelist idea of a soul being seperate from the body was only introduced later on in the history of Christianity).
As for Antony Flew, yes I have read his book. I’m an agnostic / default atheist but I would recommend it to all interested. However, your interpretation of Genesis 1:27 is a little wanting if you believe in a giant anthropomorphic being floating in the sky. Bad science AND bad theology that one is.
As for the suggestion that we have a read of the Bible as well as academic texts, that is indeed good advice. I for one have done both already but thanks anyway. I suggest a re-read of them yourself.
I would also suggest a thourough read of anthrpological articles on other religions as you seem to have a rather rudementary grasp of the range and content.
Of course, lastly, I realise you will not actually read this rather long rant, and that I could have merely sat back and been entertained by the flurry of comments which will no doubt follow of how you missed the point of this site altogether. It is a parody. But, I felt like a good rant. For the fellow atheists and agnostics on this site, I would point out that this guy is at least trying to be positive as seems alot better than the usual religious posts in the hate mail. And at least he suggests a few resouces? Have fun.
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
Your God has no fingerprints or evidence. Don’t bullshit us and claim he does. You have a novel, that is all.
On the subject of Antony Flew, he became a deist… I’m sure there’s a least one here… and how does his becoming a deist support becoming a Christian?
BTW, I can feel gravity and I have held a brain (medical research) in my own hands.
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
Wow…can you smell the irony?!
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
“The Bible does say clearly that man was created in his image (Genisis 1:27) so we know that God is not a flying spaghetti monster”
The Bible is fiction, so how does anything that is said in it “prove” that God is not the FSM? Using your logic I can say “Harry Potter say’s there are wizards, so we know that wizards are real.”
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
Hi CD,
Look, you took some trouble with your post so I’ll try to be not-too-flip in response. Some of your Christian colleagues are extremists who seek to impose their beliefs on others. I don’t know how you feel when people try to push their faith on you, but to many of us it can be offensive. In particular, the Christians who push “intelligent design” (as a means of getting their religious beliefs discussed in science classes) are obviously engaged in willful deceit. They are bad people. If you have a few minutes, search the internet and find the Nova program on theKitzmiller v. Dover Area School District court case. The manipulative nature of the ID agenda is fairly well presented. It is no different than “bleeding the beast” (the term that Mormon Fundamentalists use instead of “stealing tax money”). It causes many of us some anguish in that we don’t like being manipulated any more than we like being victims of theft.
So, CD, the main point is that you’ve missed the point. The FSM movement exists to highlight the activities of religious bigots who “lie for god”. The website is often lighthearted. Some of the people defending the FSM mission can miss the point as well. But, we don’t sit on our hands while bigots misrepresent their belief as science.
George
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
I appreciate that this particular Christian isn’t angry and virulent like most who deny the validity of His Noodly Goodness, but I feel I must address the flawed logic. (Big surprise I know, flawed logic comming from a Bible-quoting Christian.)
“just because people don’t believe in it doesn’t mean it’s not true”
Exactly… just because you don’t believe in FSM, have never seen FSM with your own eyes, doesn’t he doesn’t exist.
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
Well, if the Bible told you all those things about God, then they MUST be true. Of course, we have a bible as well, and it tells us the FSM created the universe. So, our evidence is quite as strong as yours. Stronger, in fact: our bible isn’t filled with gross scientific blunders, historical inaccuracies, immorality under the guise of piety, and so much more. Plus, our bible is much better written than yours, in that the author of our bible actually has an education. And, faith isn’t even required by our God. Basically, all we have to do is not act like a total douche, and we’re in. You want us to trade that for “faith?” Pleeeease.
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
@ Eli: I think the word “fact” and “soul” can be used in a sentence where “soul” is used as a musical term :)
Yet I have a couple of questions for CD:
1. why is the god in the old testament different from the god in the new testament? OT: god of revenge, likes to play games with good people (Lazarus, e.a.) NT: god of love, a father. So actually there are two gods in the bible! Which god are you talking about then?
2. Why is the christian god the good one? Hindus have a lot more gods, change that their god is the right one seems bigger to me.
3. even in christianity there are different currents: greec-orthodox, catholic, protestant, born again christians,… they all worship the same god but in a different way. Maybe they angry god by worshipping him in the wrong way?
4. In what language to worship your god? It used to be Latin, then they chose the language of the people. So if I’m correct, god understands over a thousand languages and dialect? Errare humanum est…
5. When you die, you will most likely go to heaven. Good for you! But when you arrive in heaven, who will be the first person you will see there? Your grandfather, who died when you were 2. Your grandmother, who died when you were 25? Your first dog which ran away from home when you were 10? Your second dog that died when you were 22? Your father who died when you were 55? You mother who died when you were 60? Your children aren’t dead yet when you will die, so they won’t be there.
Suppose it is your grandfather. He will remember you as a 2 year old and doesn’t know anything of your life, you will have no memory of him what so ever.
6. If only christians can go to heaven, what about all the people that lived béfore there was knowledge of your only true god (which one of the two was it again?) Before there was even writing? The ancient Egyptians, ancient Greek,…
7. the first part of the bible, the old testament, is based on jewish tradition. So jews are half right? Dito for the muslims. Both consider Jesus as just another prophet, and not as their savior, like you do.
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
“If God did not exist than man would create one” how succinct.
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
This guy is a moron.
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
cd, all i can say is “you started it!!!”
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
How did that Savior work out for the people on the Titanic? I guess only a handful were righteous believers, but did he have to take the band?
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
It doesn’t cease to amaze me how these people think they can disprove the existence of the FSM by quoting from the bible. Do they not realise that this is an entirely separate religion, with its own gospel?! Its like trying to learn english from a book written entirely in English… it isn’t going to get you anywhere!
And also, your “just because you can’t see it, doesn’t mean its not there” argument is useless… we believe things exist based on evidence, cause and effect, that kind of thing. We can’t prove gravity exists through sight alone, so we use other methods to prove it. There is no way of proving that your god exists, and reason and logic tell us that he doesn’t. Therefore, why would you believe in one?
RAmen
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
Yawn, I could barely finish reading this one
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
“I hope that this has been some help to all of you.”
I can assure you it has been of no help whatsoever.
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
Holy irony batman.
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
Blah blah blah blah *Snooze*
Try converting baby atheists first before coming after the seasoned ones.
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
I believe in the FSM because i’ve seen proof :D Where’s your proof about all you’ve said? the bible is not a proof.
And like you’ve said: “If God did not exist then man would create one”, well, if there is no God, there’s the FSM, YAY!
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
I’ve read ‘The case for Christ’. Some anonymous nutter shoved it through my door (dunno where they got my address) after I had a letter published in the local paper asking for the writer of a previous letter to provide evidence for the resurrection of Jesus.
The worst book ever.
The ‘evidence’ presented is that because some Jews died for their beliefs after Jesus was crucified (no evidence for this either), they must have REALLY believed what they were saying.
Some proof, that. The scary thing is that apparently the author was an ex-detective. If I were in charge of the justice system in the US I’d be reviewing this guys cases, there are probably hundreds of innocent people locked up.
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
@ -George #94,
I put in my two cents about 25 posts back, but here are some links that we should all share and keep for reference as you suggested to CD. NOVA:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/id/program.html
Pirates:
http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=pirates-rational-choice&SID=mail&sc=emailfriend
Fundamentalists:
http://home.cc.umanitoba.ca/~altemey/
Some Scientific American pieces of relevance:
http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=creationism-feels-right-but-that-doesnt-make-it-so&SID=mail&sc=emailfriend
http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=religious-ideas-burrow-in-brains&SID=mail&sc=emailfriend
http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=dalai-lama-talks-science&SID=mail&sc=emailfriend
http://www.sciam.com/blog/60-second-science/post.cfm?id=texas-vote-moves-evolution-to-the-t-2009-03-27
http://www.sciam.com/podcast/episode.cfm?id=why-people-believe-what-they-do-09-04-10&sc=DD_20090413
RAmen
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
The fact is that we do have souls and I heard it put this way “If God did not exist than man would create one” and this is what has been done with the Christian group. You have created a God and the Gospel calls this stupidity. Often times groups in the Gospel would create an idol to worship because they couldn’t see or hear or touch the FSM.
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
So you’re saying God must be real because the Bible created by his followers says so…. circular logic perhaps?
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
Christianity is the only one where we are saved by our faith alone.
-CD
Actually, my faith in the FSM saves me from Christians.
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
this man is right, CD may god’s blessing be with you and your family. as for you “pastafarians,” you need to get lives. why do you believe in the FSM? because some nerd “bobby?” told you so? or because you believe that there is as much evidence that a hunk of noodles created the universe than the actual god. Jesus was real and his story is written in the greatest book on earth, the bible. theres alot of unexplained things in the world, but all because God doesn’t reveil himself to you, he is automaticlly not real. all because the bible is old doesn’t mean it is full of lies. there are cave paintings millions of years old, but no cavemen, does that mean that early homosapians didn’t exsist? please reconsider your choice of worship. i’m not forcing you to change, after all, its your life.
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
also, Bobby proclaims that he created the FSM, this means that your “god” didn’t exsist untill 2005. no go it your fake spaghetti freaks
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
to Zane,
your an idiot. God does not send you to hell for every little sin, thats why he sent his own son to die for our sins, because he loves humanity so much. thats why you ask Jesus christ to forgive you for your sins.
Amen(not RAmen)
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
to Richard, your a idiot. the bible isn’t a novel. are you a moron? you don’t even know what a novel is
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
you pastafarians keep blabbing on about god creating us in his image. we were, if we weren’t we would look like frikken spaghetti monsters
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
CD-
you take the bible to literally.
Just because a hindu, or a jew is born jewish, does that mean they will not reach heaven?
or does heaven really exist?
it seems to me that you rely on a tangible thing to comfort yourself.
Im a christian to, but does that not mean that we can’t take amusement in the flying spaghetti monster, or the nice layed back ideals of the ones who celebrate it?
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
This person, like most xtians is just like their Christ…a zombie
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
jesus freaking krist enough jesus freakin christ happy horseshit, i do not need the cd heard the albumn
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
How can you possibly refer to the bible in an attempt to disprove the FSM? How can you be sure the bible is true and not just stories? And what you’re not seeing is that the FSM is basically the god you believe in just he’s a flying spaghetti monster. If you cannot see your god then who are you to argue against the reality of another god when your reasoning is that you cannot see him? There’s more than one religion mate. Get over it.
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
Well, I’m gonna write a book about a turtle named Yordle, and I’m gonna get everyone to worship said turtle and in 2000 years people are gonna point at my Yordle Bible and use that as ‘proof’ that Yordle existed and is almighty and that It created the universe and try and strike down any other beliefs because they do not worship Yordle.
…doesn’t change the fact that Yordle doesn’t exist, and that they’re wrong.
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
Killing your own son to make a point to the general public should be seen as a bad thing, methinks. Not the kind of familiy you’d want to socialise with. Although, now that the deed is done, they have a spare room for sleepovers. However, don’t send your own son for one, and if he goes over to play (with whom you may well ask), make sure he’s home by seven.
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
“How can you know that God is a F.S.M. if he is invisible? If he is invisible how can you see him?”
Ohhhhh, the irony! It hurts!
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
DEUTERONOMY 4:31
For the Lord thy God is a merciful God.
EZEKIEL 9:5-6
Go ye after him through the city, and smite: let not your eyes spare, neither have ye pity: slay utterly old and young, both maids, and little children, and women.
Some mercy! This is your God of love, CD.
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
ok now you people are using youtube as proof? i dont think your “god” would show himself to all us “non believers” would he?
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
I like how all of this hate/criticize mail speaks of proof of a god, yet they don’t ever provide any.
His fingerprints are on everything? Okay, could I have an example please? Some concrete evidence?
What really grinds my gears is when christians politely tell us that we’re completely wrong and smugly lecture on about the “truth” and how we’re all going to burn in hell for having a different view. Great, you can be nice, but you’re still too thick-skulled to think about the fact that there is no evidence to back up your theory.
Also I’ve seen a couple of comments about how Bobby is leading us all down a path of damnation. I’m sorry, but I take GREAT pride in knowing that I have a mind of my own and I’m sure all the other Pastafarians feel the same way.
Maybe they shouldn’t throw stones (though they do that in the Bible don’t they?) at us… Jesus had a tough time and people attacked his beliefs when he was trying to spread the word of his god, didn’t they? 2,000+ years from now people will look back at the New Jesus, Bobby Henderson, with the same respect and admiration as you christians do for Jesus. Ha!
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
Sigh… ah, the timeworn proof of “God is real because the Bible says so”. Oh so popular amongst our detractors. This is the best way I’ve ever seen this particular idea put:
“(1) The Bible says the Bible is true.
(2) Therefore the Bible is true.
(3) The Bible says God exists.
(4) Therefore, God exists”
They never seem to understand that if you don’t believe in the Bible, everything it says is moot.
CD- thanks for the concern, but we’re perfectly happy to believe in our own god, which WE don’t think is an idol.
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
Yo CD! Embrace His Noodly Appendage!
Ramen
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
Have any of you ever seen your own brain? Does that mean that it isn’t there? Have any of you ever seen your heart? Does that mean that it isn’t inside your body still beating? Have any of you ever seen your soul? Does that meen that it isn’t there?
Yes, as a matter of fact I have seen both my heart and my brain. Not at the same time though. We gave them a fancy three letter name. One is a CAT, the other is a MRI, the second was not named as cutely as the first but DOG was already taken by dyslexic christians!
Ramen
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
DEAR VESUVIUS,
Thank you for not forcing us to change. When God “reveils” himself I will become a Christian. Meanwhile, let’s hope that “homosapiens” will move further in the direction of empiricism.
I can feel the love, you illiterate idiot!
INRI
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
I have it on the highest authority that the Bible is false. Arg.
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
Hi Vesuvius.
Seriously,you need to get a life. Why do you believe in the bearded sky daddy? Because some bronze age desert goat herders told you so? Or because you believe that there is as much evidence that a breaded man in the sky created the universe than the actual FSM. FSM is real and his story is written in the greatest book on earth, the gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster. There are a lot of unexplained things in the world, but all because FSM doesn’t reveal himself to you, means His Noodly Goodness is automaticlly not real? All because the gospel of the FMS is new doesn’t mean it is full of lies. There are cave paintings millions of years old, but no cavemen, does that mean that early Homo Sapiens didn’t exist? Please reconsider your choice of worship. I’m not forcing you to change, after all, its your life. (Too bad the inquisition is over, I guess).
Our gospel was written in 2005, that certainly doesn’t mean that the FSM didn’t exist until that time. It simply means times were not ripe for him to reveal himself to us. Just like, followers of a certain sect believe a guy named “jesus” always existed but no one knew about it until he was born(what the heck is that supposed to mean anyway?) and that there is a place called hell where people he doesn’t like will burn for eternity, and no one knew about that either, until the jesus guy brought us the “good news”. And then they claim his daddy “created” us in his own image. Of course there is the slight possibility that the desert goat herders made that thing up in their own image. (At least Bobby Henderson was more creative.) Followers of this sect usually do not get it when “myths” are referred to as “novels”.
You know Vesuvius, venting your frustrations on the internet by calling total strangers idiots is not healthy. You need to see a psychoanalyst to bring out your Freudian repressions.
Oh, one more thing about that particular sect. While they pretend not to like homosexuality, they finish their talks by saying, “Ah…Men”.
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
Vesuvius,
My problem with organized religions is their depiction of God. The way they depict God is to show him as a petulant 5 year old throwing a temper tantrum because he is jealous (play my way or I will kill you). All the major religions other than Buddhism depict God in this light; can’t anyone else see the disconnect between an all-knowing all-powerful being and this kind of behavior? This takes a Supreme Being (God) and gives him the worst of human emotions, not the best. Why would a being of such power even care what we thought? Such a being would not require worship; he already has all the power and knowledge. Such a being would be completely beyond our comprehension so assigning him human emotional characteristics is just a form of anthropomorphizing that has gotten out of control. It is an attempt by people to make God in an image that justifies their behaviors. I’m sorry but I can’t logically believe in that kind of God. I am not atheist I do believe in God, but not the one that organized religion wants to push down our throat because their version doesn’t make the least bit of sense. I have too much respect for God to be able to see him in such a juvenile light. That is my belief though and I don’t expect anyone to share it, now isn’t that a novel idea.
Christians will argue that the Bible is the proof they need. Well then they need to learn the history of their Bible. You can’t be a true believer if you don’t even know the history of your religious text. For example the Jesus story, shows up in many older religions for their important people. A lot of the parts of the story are the same. Many have a virgin birth, there are others that have a resurrection (same time frame and everything), and etc. The list is pretty long. Then there is the fact that the stories about Jesus a written long after his death mostly on third party accounts. When you can look at the complete history, like the editing, the translations (many languages to don’t translate well into each other), at this point you are relying on the interpretation of the Bible by the translator, hence all the English versions of the Gospels. Then there are copying errors made by monks copying the Bible (a good number who could not read), etc. Only after knowing all of this and taking it into account can you know your religious text. I won’t even get into the fact that nowhere in the Bible is there mention of fiery hell. The in the Middle Ages adopted a fiery hell to strike fear into their congregations. The version of hell we are most familiar with was later adopted from Dante’s work by the Catholic Church.
I think people who feel that others must believe as they believe are actually that way because they are insecure in their beliefs. The more fervent the less secure they are. They need others to believe the same as them to give credence to their own belief. They justify it a number of ways to themselves the most common one is that they are ’saving the non-believer’. The truth is they are trying to save themselves, so they don’t have to think through what they believe and why, because once they started questioning they might find they were wrong, and that would be too much for them to handle.
I don’t know where I heard this from but someone once said that ‘fundamentalists have more fear of the devil than love of their God’, and I think that is very true.
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
bobby will never be a jesus and if you think that then you can go with all the other idiots to your imaginary land of pasta, get lives
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
Think Beer Volcano think dinosaurs are cool, Pirates rock (except for those Somali ones who can’t go Yargh and Yo ho ho ) Now as for man being in gods image – just remember man has a little noodly appendage.
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
Vesuvius
With regard to your Bible and cave paintings argument, you aren’t comparing things that are the same. That argument proves nothing about the actual content of your holy book, it only means that there is just as much evidence to support the existence of the people who WROTE the Bible as there is to support the existence of early Homo sapiens, who drew the cave paintings. This doesn’t make the mumbo-jumbo written in that book any more or less valid, therefore, you haven’t actually done anything to support your argument, save making a fool of yourself.
Also, when do you think your God was created? He sure as hell wasn’t around several million years ago, when dinosaurs roamed the Earth. Nope, your God was created when people realised that they weren’t too clever, and couldn’t be bothered to work out any complicated questions. I believe this is called the “God of the Gaps” theory. Imagine that we are in the year 4005, and FSMism has spread across the globe, and the majority of people on the planet accept it as absolutely true. No questions asked. If you then came up with the idea of Yahweh, or whoever you wish, we would have exactly the same argument as you. We would be the ones saying “OMG, you can’t just create a God… our FSM is an all powerful, awesome God, not like your puny little fake god that you just created.” Do you see? Not one of the pastafarians would have been around at the time of the creation of their god, so they would have no clue that it was in fact made up by some “nerd” as you call Bobby.
On another note (sorry for the long post) It would seem that most of your “arguments”, if you can even call them that, for the falseness of the FSM seem to stem completely from the Bible, and the Bible alone.
You say that we wer “created in God’s image”, but where is your proof for that? have you ever seen God at all? Our “image” is nothing more than a product of gradual evolution. Go back a while, and you would find that we looked quite alot different from the way we do now. So, if we were created in God’s image, God must be some butt-ugly primitive ape, or, to go back even further, a single celled organism! Just think, an all powerful single celled organism. You really would have to be a retard to believe in that.
You state words from the Bible as if they are fact, not giving a second to really try and THINK about it yourself, to make your own mind up. I seriously hope that you will read this and start to make your own decisions, rather than accepting what is written in a 2000 year old NOVEL (and yes, i do know what novel means, and thats exactly what the Bible is; a collection of stories, just as fictional as mickey mouse) and walking around with a blindfold on with some holier-than-thou person leading you around on a leash.
Bless everyone on this discussion (apart from Vesuvius) with his Noodlinesses energy rich goodness.
RAmen (not Amen, thats for losers)
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
Contradiction fail!
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
wow…a bigoted hypocrite
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
Sorry if i’m repeating stuff others have pointed out but i’ve been on holiday for a week and just got back.
Right, all this bollocks about how do you know you have a brain or heart if you haven’t seen one. Well, they’ve yet to open up a human who hasn’t got one so i’m taking an educated guess i have one too.
Still haven’t seen this god fella anywhere yet.
And, why the fuck do you crazy christians keep qouting the bible as a source of proof? You have no concept of the english language. It’s a book of stories. I’m not even sure most of it was intended to be taken literally but the people with no minds of their own have taken it so.
I’ll make this simple because a lot of christians are.
Your bible.
Your Cheesus.
Your god.
NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER.
I’m glad i cleared that up for you.
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
Are you serious? You can’t argue against our holy book by using yours; it’s illogical. Now if you can disprove FSM using the Gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, then that’d be a valid argument to which we would respond some nonsense about blind faith, which sounds remarkably like Christianity. You ignorant kids spoon-fed by your parents have no sense of humor, no morality, and no reasons for belief in Christ. You are not Christ-like. You are not pure. “…Purity is for water.”-FSM Oh and you misspelled “Jesus.” You fail at argument, CD. By the way, does CD stand for Cerebrally Disengaged?
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
Antony Flew has indeed rejected atheism but has not adopted the Christian lifestyle. To quote from an article at existence-of-god.com, “he still rejects all purported divine revelation, including the Bible, the Koran, and any other example you’d care to mention.”
Your argument would carry more weight if Flew had embraced your chosen lifestyle but instead you have shot yourself in the foot.
Holy cannelloni, what an idiot!
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
UNBELIEVERS! ALL HAIL YORDLE THE HOLY TURTLE, SON OF THE FSM!
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
i have seen this so many times, just except that christians have seen something in the bible that others struggle to see, to them it realy is a living word that mannefests itself in everyday life.
what i don’t understand is why is it christianity that is always getting the full folly of shots, not a single persone on this site has said a word about isalm or the khoran, is that not a faith based on a god no-one has seen and a book written by men? in islam you must fight the non-believer next to you. i have seen the faith of islam and it’s works first hand and it was not a beautiful thing to see, i have never seen a christian extremist get on a train or bus or airplane full of people and blow it up or delibrately crash it just to get his/her point accross last time an artist made a joke of alah in a news paper the muslims were in the streets protesting and threatening his life, jesus is the arse end of so many jokes in the world and yet there is no threats upon the lifes of those who make them so why does the world hate christians so much? becuase they knocked on your door and said jesus loves? becuase they sing praises to him in church and want to proclaim his name from the mountain tops for all to hear and share in that wich they have found in him? simple question: why?
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
Nice, I just cant even respond to that, it is talking to a wall! It is amazing how utterly ignorant of things right in front of us some of us “enlightend” folks are! I do have one Q, whaen i eat spagehtti is that akin to communion or heresy? ;) love your stuff guys, keep it up!
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
First you say that the FSM is invisible, therefore we don’t really know it exists. Then you say that your god, despite him being invisible, exists, just like our own unseen hearts or gravity. You can’t use this argument of “because you don’t see it doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist” to prove the existence of your god and use the same string of logic to prove the nonexistence of the FSM. We can easily say “just because you can’t see the FSM doesn’t mean he doesn’t exist”.
And here’s my response to the typical “Jesus is your savior” or “the true god” stuff that’s spewed in hate mail: there are other religions out there. They don’t follow the bible or the word of your god? Tough. Get used to it.
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
There is no god. Get over it. Think for yourself instead.
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
“Boarg Says: Killing your own son to make a point to the general public should be seen as a bad thing”
Why? Says who?
Song, have you given much thought to your epistemology? I’m curious what you would identify as your ultimate authority? What do you reference to distinguish reality from fantasy? Is is logic, your own intellect, or perhaps the consensus of society?
How do you know if that which you rely on is truly authoritative? Is it self-authenticating or do you cross-check your ultimate reference point? If you do, wouldn’t that diminish it’s capacity to be an ultimate authority?
Or do you just conclude that nothing can really be known?
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
I have a muslim friend who says that all works such as the torah and Bible are fallible because they are written by men, in a time that is completely different from now, the God back then my have changed( I know it says he’s unchanging, but in Old Testament he’s a vengeful bugger, then at the end of NT he sort of wonders off, which I would call changing) maybe he really likes spaghetti :) and decided to have chnage, he’s omnipotent right, therefore he can do anything, even be FSM
May you be touchd by his noodly appendage :)
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
Ok, writing down all flaws in your theorie would take too long
So I’ll start with just 1 important question to reveal one of your greatest flaws.
You compare the existence of God to the existence of gravity, the presence of our brain or heart.
However, a heart: we can feel it beat so it is there.
A brain: I am able to move, to think, so it is there.
Both things I will also easily see with a scan.
Gravity is measurable and thus it can be proven in many ways to exist.
However: where is your proof of the existence of God?
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
This…is…hilarious! My congratulations my good friends! Never have I seen such wonderfully choreographed satire do so much for so many. And look at how many people are taking it seriously even! It’s as if the weight of the deities has finally lifted off humanity’s shoulders and proudly placed our spirits and minds in place in which we can truly be responsible for our own spirituality, instead of blindly following the blindly-led leaders of the world’s religions. Oh what a blissful event this is on Earth; to share the options of options; to truly cause people to think “Hmmmm, maybe there’s something other than traditional thinking that applies;” to truly go where few have gone before: into the self. After all, what do you think “Self-aware” means anyway? A chance to look within, when you feel you are without.
Enjoy! And remember: You cannot change your life until you change what you belive.
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
@ – Vesuvius #113,
Can you even read your bible? If it’s as important as you imply, you should know exactly what it says. The KJ version uses beautiful, flowery English, but it is a terrible translation. Do you know that it begins, “At a beginning…” or, “In a beginning…”? I’ll be happy to discuss the sources, language, authorship, and politics and economics of the time that it was written with you if you can follow along with me.
@ – OLO #122,
Let me suggest that you check out, “Yertle The Turtle”, by Dr. Seuss from your public library. It’s a wonderful, gentle story that children have loved for years.
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
I like the way that she uses sciences to back up relligion , finally ! So your god’s laws about how we should behave are the same thing as the gravity eh ? Let’s check this theory ! :)
So the gravity is invisible …
God is invisible , so are is law …
damn you get the point there !
The gravity is a scientific concept with tons of proofs …
God or his laws are a relligious concept with no proofs at all ….
Yay , i get the point this time !
The gravity can be tested and the results can be shown with logical data …
God or his laws cannot be tested nor can the results can be shown with logical data , since you have to believe in god and his laws , plus the only persons who can be sure to have experienced god or his laws are deads and since deads cannot talk ….
guess i get the point here too …
I could continue like this but in the end I would win since the laws of an invisible dude and gravity cannot be compared … science and relligion are two different worlds .
Now let’s try with the : have you seen your heart ? part …. In fact yes , i have seen my heart , the heart of my brother , the heart of animals during my science classes , I have seen images of hearts and I even ate chicken hearts , and I liked it . I have seen brains too , but never ate brains …. its hard to get brains around here . But souls …. isn’t that the essence of life imbued in aether ? But wait ! The aether doesn’t exists , its a concept that the pre-socrates used to explain the inexplainable …. damn these pre-socrates , inducing the futur generations in error ! There again science has shown things that faith couldn’t ….
Let’s get to the next point …. god made us in his image …. so … was he white or black ? Was he red or brown ? Was he yellow or … uh …. blue ? Was he a man or a woman ? Was he tall or short ? Was he beautifull or was he ugly ? Was he blonde or maybe brown hair ? Got blue eyes or brown eyes ? Since every human is different from the other because we all have different DNA , how can we look like god ? Or maybe its just the shape … i mean we are humanoids …. maybe that what they ment by : made in his image ! But wait … monkeys are humanoids too …. does that mean that god made the monkeys in his image or maybe he made the monkeys first and thought that they had too many hairs so he created a less fury humanoid …..
And more important … how can you be sure that god is a humanoid and not a horse or a turtle ? I mean he IS invisible too … just like our deity , but that makes just our god wrong …..
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
Gravity is proven…. god cannot be compared to gravity in ANY way whatsoever. You can’t BELIEVE or NOT BELIEVE in gravity, because how else you stay on the ground? Does your god help you float if you believe in him?
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
You’re fucking wrong
He was there all along but man created god because they can’t stand the truth
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
My comment is still awaiting moderation. What’s that about? What are you filtering out; I’d be interested to know what would get me censored here.
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
@ Vesuvius I am pretty sure you are a troll but hey it’s the hate mail page.
You have not demonstrated any evidence for any of your conjecture. None. Since we are talking religion we’ll allow that since there is little evidence possible, though all the evidence on our main page with sightings and what not, not to mention the graph on pirates vs world temp or the seemingly scientific proof of our god’s power over yours with the communion test. (It demonstrates that Pastafarian communion is better than catholic…) still we’d let lack of proof pass.
What you lack that is more important that proof is logic. We hold logic quite dear. Christianity does not. Lets start with one of CD’s basic assertions. “Every other religion in the world is saved through works and Christianity is the only one where we are saved by our faith alone.”
While this statement is inaccurate it demonstrates one of the biggest logical fallacies of your bible. That works aren’t important you can not save yourself and you are not accountable for your actions.
Isn’t it better to say, “Hey don’t be an ass hat, you will have to answer for all your asshatterie.” See? That’s like the real world rule ‘Don’t speed and drive like a maniac or you will get a ticket or possibly die and kill others with you.’ Isn’t that better than, ‘You can’t control your vehicle and should not try just have faith in the holy steering wheel to guide you; close your eyes and know that if you should die horribly in a car wreck the next life will be full of peace and airbags.’
Take our hands off the wheel, close our eyes and floor it? I don’t think so.
(Now you are angry, probably didn’t read this and certainly didn’t think so if you are still posting feel free to ignore the above and tell me the afterlife will be long and nasty.)
http://home.cc.umanitoba.ca/~altemey/
Or read that and see who is doing your thinking for you.
-Apostate
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
I used to really enjoy this mind-less hate mail, but now it is just the same old same-old.
If you fancy a break, head over to http://www.saffronplanet.net/node/81 and partake of some interesting and thought provoking discussions on evolution…
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
Just a few musings from America’s northern neighbour:
- if gods word is gravity than it’s just a theory, an explanation used to explain the attraction between particles) but it can never be tested or proven, we just know particles attract.
- have you ever seen your brain/heart/liver exc. No but with modern technology we can see them inside without having to do so surgically, also are you so naive to believe yourself better than any other animal that inhabits earth. You’re a product of how your raise and I pity you for how you were raised and not realizing the truth. There is no sole in your body, its just complex chemical reactions in your brain thinking there’s one.
- learn cultural anthropology, there are many deities world wide and they somehow?? Share similarities (i.e. rip each other off) people worldwide share the same sentimentalities in terms of moral decisions not from a divine influences but thought the continued evolution of memes.
- You mistook Flew he believed in a deist god one that would sorely measure up to your god. His “god” created the universe but hasn’t done much since.
- Intelligent design is creationism, Behe has only ever tested his theory once and admitted in the write up that evolution was a more sound explanation. The teaching of intelligent design was meant to introduce “god” into science, a 1000 years old delusion should never go into a place of logical and reasonable thought.
- Your an idiot, the case for Christ argues that a 1000 year old book is accurate, that’s like saying everything Socrates said was correct. The book looks to establish the historical testimonials were accurate not really make a case. I feel sorry that you don’t know better, but reading books that preach to the converted is a rather thoughtless on your part and I hardly consider you a person able to make intelligent arguments for your “god”.
- if your in the middle of the ocean and you want a 100 year old corpse for a life beat enjoy I’ll take my chances with a life jacket and emergency beacon.
I would however like to congratulate you on a few points:
- You are dogmatic and convinced to your own delusion, I will congratulate you if you ever win a Templeton prize just because such one sided belief in ones actions hasn’t been seen in an intelligent community since Hitler.
- Also I would like to congratulate you on completely missing the point. FSM more like a theory (more like gravity than a 1000 year old corpses words), it hasn’t been proven but until it does that is what we believe.
CD you may want to try thinking in a more open manner, the only way to find the limits of the possible are to go beyond them into the impossible (Arthur C Clarke.), ironic because for you it’s backwards, you’ve been taught the impossible now its times come down to earth and figure out the possible and reasonable.
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
This has to be the funniest and stupidest hate mail ever. The first two paragraphs are comedy gold.
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
Interesting commentary but to be honest still drivel…one point that I did find amusing (forgive me if anyone else has already commented on this) was in paragraph 4 “If God did not exist then man would create one” Perhaps we did, 3 or 4000 years ago and then it grew and evolved allowing the genocide and defiling of other “sub-standard” religions and cultures and those that it couldn’t destroy it absorbed (Pagan festivals, mythologies of Greeco-Romano origin). Ladies and gentleman, boys and girls I give you Christianity.
I love it when Chrisitans criticse Pastafarians and then their very arguments negate the validity of their own deity.
Don’t forget to add the Basil, it adds flavour to the sauce
Wurzel
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
It’s kinda obvious to me that people with an IQ above 120 get the satire here. The rest…well I guess that’s what fundamentalism is for. Funny how pasta as we know it, came from Italy…Rome is in Italy. Catholics for Pasta! A close look at the ceiling of St. Peters may show signs of “HIM.”
Peace and Pasta
J
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
“Gods word is like gravity, just because people don’t believe in it doesn’t mean it’s not true.”
People don’t believe in gravity? ROFL. I don’t believe in late night television.
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
Note: There is more evidence for evolution and the Big Bang than gravity.
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
“How can you know that God is a F.S.M. if he is invisible? If he is invisible how can you see him?”
He reveals himself to the people who believe, of course. It’s not that way for your God?
“What is said on this website, in your books and amongst yourselves doesn’t change what the Bible and the real word of God says”
We also have our real word of God; why must yours be more real in any way?
“Gods word is like gravity, just because people don’t believe in it doesn’t mean it’s not true and doesn’t mean there aren’t consequences to jumping off of a cliff”
Just because you believe in your God doesn’t make him real. I can test gravity every time i want, but your God can’t be tested, exactly as the FSM.
“…but that doesn’t change the fact that it is there. This is like Gods laws for all of humanity”
Any proof of those claims?
” The Bible does say clearly that man was created in his image (Genisis 1:27)”
as i suposed… quoting a book is not a proof. Saying that the bible is God’s word because the bible says so is circular reasoning.
“Have any of you ever seen your own brain?”
I doubt the existence of yours. But you should have one, as you are -only my pressumption- a human. We can see brains in other humans. We have never seen any evidence of a soul
“The fact is that we do have souls”
Again, any proof of that statement?
“You have created a God”
You created it first :p
“God’s fingerprints are on all of creation and more and more scientists and peole are recognizing this alike”
The first part of the statement is unfalsifiable. It has no scientific meaning. The second part is false -or at least dubious, or at least in a mid-term – according to polls. Anyway, argumentum ad populum is a fallacy
“Antony Flew, one of the worlds most famous atheists has recently said that there is a God and one who is intelligent.”
We don’t believe in Antony Flew. He’s not Bobby, The Prophet. Appeal to authority.
“On another note, God’s word was written because He loves us and showed his unending love for us through his son Jesus Christs”
Yeah, you don’t remember Noah’s flood? God loves us but he still genocide fast all humans. What a crappy love.
“If you declare with your mouth that Jesus is Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.”
What about following the law? I think your bible contradicts itself. Ours is much more logical.
“I would recommend that anyone who is a follower of this group to read not only the Bible”
I agree with you here; I would also recommend you to read not only the bible. By the way, why are you assuming we haven’t read it?
““all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God”. That means you, me and everyone else in the entire world.”
Remember that that’s not what is said in our books, and I don’t believe in yours.
“if all the people in the world were on a boat in the middle of the ocean and the ship was going down and there were no lifeboats, everyone would need a Savior no matter how hard they tried to save themselves”
That’s a real real bad analogy. first, because It can’t happen. Second, because we don’t have any proof of the existence of that being, who could save us. Third: it has been people in a similar situation, and most of them drowned; if the saviour didn’t save them, why to expect he will save us?
But still we can learn something out of this: “never to be in a ship without lifeboats”
“Every other religion in the world is saved through works and Christianity is the only one where we are saved by our faith alone”
Hey, that’s marketing! Are you really saying, that between all the religions that had been around the world, even if that statement were true, we should pick up christianity because it is easier? What kind of argument is that? Oh yes, a sentimental fallacy.
And anyway, you should believe in the FSM, as we don’t have a Hell, so you can’t fail to pass the exam ;-)
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
@vesuvius
“all because the bible is old doesn’t mean it is full of lies”
I agree. We know that the Bible is full of lies because the bible state things that we have proven are not adjusted to reality. Like a flat earth. Like Adam and Eve. Like Noah’s flood. Like the sun revolving around the earth. Like snakes eating dust… should I go on?
Also, it contradicts itself.
When -wich day- did Jesus die?
Who was present to open the cave, after his resurrection?
RAmen
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
Has this ever happened to YOU?
http://www.theonion.com/content/news/god_makes_surprise_visit_to_local?utm_source=a-section
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
hahaha all you people leaving hate mail are so dumb grow a pair of balls and learn when this is a joke obviously this isnt a religion you all act like babies do you really care if some one makes up a religion the fact that you guys all really take it to the heart says something about your self i love god and jesus christ as much as the next guy but the fact of the matter is if u believe in god and you follow the commandments you dont have to worry if any thing just pitty the people who will go to hell thats it no need to get agrressive at all its just not worth your time or energy is it
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
@Catholic Jeff: I’d say that anyone who isn’t braindead sees the satire.
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
Omg how fucking hypocritical r u christens!!!! the FSM is no more of a god than yours so if ur gonna criticize the FSM then go Fuck ur self!!!!!!!!!!Do you have any proof to whether or not your god is real???? I dont think so!!!! The FSM is a god to the Pastafarians as to me. and you have your God!!!so get over your selves!!!!!!!!! :)
Sincerely,a Pastafarian.
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
@ Whyskey 144
If you read all the mail and all the replies posted on this site you would see plenty of comments about the dangers of Islam. However, Bobby was originally responding specifically to an attempt by Christians to sneak creationism into science class in the US, and most of our hate-mail is from Christians, so that is why we end up obsessing about it so much. By all means, if you want to start a discussion on Islam, please go ahead – it would be a nice change of pace. :)
RAmen,
Sarah
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
Hey #144, we will happily accommodate Muslims as soon as they pay us a visit here, but as of now we have had no trolls identifying themselves as Muslims; all those who have volunteered their religious affiliation have to this point have said they are Christians. And yes, I do find it paternalistic when the knock on the door and say jesus loves.
While I do disagree with your point entirely, I do agree with you that Islam today is precisely where Christianity was 300 years ago.
PS: When you are done trolling the internet you may want to go do your capitalization homework for tomorrow. The teacher is going to be mad.
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
Vesuvius, Bobby will never be jesus?
Boy, I guess Bobby won’t be putting curses on any fig trees to wither away because figs are not in season. Oh well. We have supermarkets these days.
With the faithful like you who needs Comedy Central?
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
Adrian, the FSM is no more a joke than your beliefs. Learn how to spell, learn how to puctuate and learn not to speak on others behalf. Especially when it comes to subjects you can’t comprehend.
And as for Catholic Jeff, we can see straight through your charade, don’t try and associate christianity with the FSM. Admit you made a mistake beleiving all that nonsense espoused by the church and denounce the bible as the work of fiction it really is. You’ll feel a lot better afterwards – without ever having to put yourself through the guilt trip.
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
Honestly I congratulate you guys for giving people who have the ability to make logical conjectures based on tangible evidence an edifice for which to express their opinions. This clear and humorous juxtaposition of FSMsm and Christianity is exactly what people like myself have been craving (merely as a form of entertainment since there is absolutely no way to convince a fundamental Christian that there is anything other than their belief system) and for that i thank you very much.
Plus your God is much more attractive
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
i dont know how to post my own comment so i hafta reply to this one (sorry)
it sounds like to me that this was all made up by a four year old down baby and also nasdf vx……….
uʍop ǝpısdn ɯı ʍou ןןǝɟ puɐ pǝddıɹʇ ı uɹɐp
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
Hey, knucklehead. Check out this site: http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_jcpa5.htm
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
@ Whyskey #144
“what i don’t understand is why is it christianity that is always getting the full folly of shots, not a single persone on this site has said a word about isalm or the khoran”
Probably that is because it is mostly fundamentalist Christians who send “hate-mail” here.
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
“God’s word was written because He loves us”. What if we can’t read?
“Gods word is like gravity, just because people don’t believe in it doesn’t mean it’s not true and doesn’t mean there aren’t consequences to jumping off of a cliff. Someone can easily say “I don’t believe in gravity because I can’t see it, etc..because it’s an old belief….” but that doesn’t change the fact that it is there. This is like Gods laws for all of humanity.”
Doesn’t that kinda help our side just as much as his? Just saying.
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
My response to reading the Bible? Read the DaVinci Code instead. Maybe I missed something, but wasn’t the argument used by ancient/pagan religions that the way to reach God was NOT through Jesus Christ, but through orgasms. CD, you can keep your Bible, Jesus Christ and all that other c**p: I know which route I’m choosing to find God! (Now, if I could only find someone else to acheive one with….)
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
ha. The guy who left this hate mail has clearly been reading the works of C.S. Lewis, in all of their retarded, illogical, glory. Seriously, the belief in the christian God is like gravity – wtf?!
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
Insightful Ape #133
A breaded man in the sky? That made me chuckle… You’ll have to be careful that you’re breaded sky daddy doesn’t usurp the FSMs position as most delectable God :P
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
Hello all.
It was St George’s day here in England yesterday the 23rd April.
I know it’s a Christian celebration but us Pastafarians don’t really mind any excuse for a celebration.
Anyway, I was driving some garden waste to the local dump with the window down and a bit of Lou Reed playing on the cd player when a big motorbike drives up next to me. I have the window open (beautiful day) and this big motorcyclist with a great big beard shouts to me ‘you’re a Pastafarian, so am I brother’.I have the FSM emblem on my car. It made my whole day worthwhile. Here in England Pastafarianism is not so well known. This was the first time anyone has commented on my emblem. It was beautiful.
So in praise of St George slaying the dragon which is just a symbol of good slaying evil I thought I would slay a little evil of my own and I made two more loans to Kiva.
Let’s not forget the good work done by Kiva.
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
to #144 Whyskey:
I have never had a Musim or Jewish person knock on my door and try to convert me. It’s always the fundie Christians or the Jehova’s Witness. That’s probably why they don’t get fragged on this site. The Christians are responsible for more murders in the name of “faith” in history (i.e. the Crusades, the Grand Inquisition, The Holocaust, etc…)than any other religion. Chew on that.
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
@184: When the more nutty muslims knock, they ussually use high power explosives.
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
Oh, this poor misguided person! He (or she) is truly a victim of religious brainwashing, that he cannot see the noodlified light of the all-powerful FSM. He doth quote the black lies of the Christian bible as truth within themselves, never having pondered them for himself. Fear not, I shall pray for your deliverance from stale beer and diseased wenches with all my heart!
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
@184: Hm, well, the Holocaust wasn’t strictly speaking a Christian initiative, it just happened to occur in a dominantly Christian region. It was just one of those brainwash-the-masses-as-best-you-can-to-gang-up-on-minorities-things. Blaming Christianity for that particular mass-murder just isn’t right…
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
PREACH!…
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
Dear Archbishop James Campbell, Universal Life Church,
I know your church I am a minister thought it for free on line one night and it excepts all religions it is not a christian church and if you think it is you are sadly mistaken.
But you are a funny man, a funny funny man with dreams of grandeur.
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
The person who wrote this had a point. We cannot see gravity, but it is there. Perhaps the same can be said of God.
Although, I must say that I personally see God in everything. I can’t look at nature and not see God. I can’t look at another human and not see God either. He is everywhere.
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
Haha, the excruciatingly obvious contradictions and clear childlike love of metaphors make this guy adorable
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
To whom it may concern,
If we are to believe the bible and all the depictions of modern day Christianity, we would be lead to believe that Jesus and Mary and all the other people mentioned were Caucasian individuals with Caucasian features correct? How does that even make sense? Why were so many Caucasian individuals running around Jerusalem and the rest of the places mentioned in the bible? I’ll tell you the answer, the bible in all it’s modern day glory is not meant to be taken literally. It is a guide on how to live your life, not the ultimate answer to life. Those who take the bible seriously must learn that it is full of loose guidelines. You cannot run to it to fix all of your problems. Nor any other religious books. Since sometimes the bible doesn’t tell those in power what they want to hear. Such as witch burning, very religious process. But the bible says nothing about witches, Exodus does. ‘Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.’ So let’s all manipulate the word of the lord to suit our needs. Let’s pick and choose what stories to put in the bible and destroy the rest. Pastafarians do not pick and choose. We value all opinions on FSM. Your holy book is biased. Compiled by power hungry men. Seek the truth, and His Noodliness will welcome you.
Ramen
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
See we could apply all that you said about FSM to Yahweh.
So I believe the term is…
Right Back Atcha.
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
Hi Karen #190,I personally see the Flying Spaghetti Monster in everything. I can’t look at nature and not see His Noodly Goodness. I can’t look at another human and not see the FSM either. Our Noodly Master is everywhere; as visible to me as your god is to you.
As for gravity, I get to test it myself all the time. Scientist wrote mathematical formulas on it that hold true to this day. It is possible to write equations on your god and then run experiments to see if they work? Oh, I forgot, god works in mysterious ways.
Which is a euphemism for being totally unpredictable. Unlike gravity. So no, the same thing cannot be said about god and gravity. And CD is a total moron.
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
The writer of this letter is giving you the truth. There are so many deceptions out there, and only one true God!!! I believe in Jesus Christ not only because of the Bible, but because He has changed my life so drastically that I can never go back to the way I was. To actually be able to know God and to see His power in my life every day… Tell me something, do you know the spaghetti monster and how is it going to cleanse you of your sin and give you everlasting life? Dont just fight with me about it, does it really make sense? Are you 100% sure that I am the one which is mislead? To all reading this: Jesus Christ died for you and took the punishment of your sin so you don’t have to go to hell!!! Is that so hard to believe?
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
the first roman outpost that was set up in jarusalem was put there over 200 years after “jesus” died. this is backed up by historical records.
that just voids the whole new testament now, doesn’t it?
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
Dear CD:
I don’t believe I asked for your help. I certainly didn’t ask to be “saved” and I certainly don’t want to be.
And, according to sailors I’ve spoken with, a real sailor goes down with his boat. So no, I don’t need a savior and if I did, it wouldn’t be you or Jesus Christ. I have a multitude of people more qualified to save me such as paramedics when I’m sick and the fire department when I’m in an accident.
Please stop trying to save me. I’m uninterested.
Meisha
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
I would just like to mention something about gravity, since the author decided to spend some time on the subject.
I think it is important for us all to remember that gravity is merely a theory, not a fact. Einstein’s interpretation of gravity cannot be applied everywhere in the universe, such as in the center of a black hole, and it is irreconcilable with quantum mechanics.
Since the theory of gravity clearly fails to explain all aspects of the phenomenon of falling, I think that we should be intellectually open to the idea that some aspects of falling are better explained by a divine mover who occasionally intervenes in objects’ natural trajectories, causing them to fall in a manner that is in accordance with His divine will.
Think this is a stupid idea? Sir Isaac Newton didn’t.
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
How do you know that “God” is an invisible space man? People of every religion make the exact same case you just did, only with different details. If all of them are wrong, where does that leave you?
RAmen
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
@Gerhard #195
Yes, it is hard to believe – I find the Christian God as hard to believe in as Santa and the easter bunny. Don’t you think I want to believe Santa is real? Heck, if I believed in him, I’d be hunting him down so I could apply for a job as an elf – but I just can’t force myself to, based on what I know of the world. My experience is different then yours, as the way my brain works – is that so hard to believe?
RAmen,
Sarah
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
a…a…are you retarded? I couldn’t even finish it. And i have seen my own brain, it is called a cat scan or an m-r-i, same with my heart almost but with a really cool invention called x-ray! yeah, and for the soul, no proof. there is no soul, I am soulless as are you.
second subject: yes, I have seen gravity,not with my eyes, because they are a sense that only picks up light and only an idiot would believe that gravity is a light. But I have seen it with a sense the the fsm gave me called touch which is related to pressure which is a direct connection to gravity. As for your god? nothing.
And if you say that we created a god because there wasn’t one like you have stated then you are telling yourself that there is no god.
Counter argument- ever heard of an atheist?
My savior is the fsm.
Last but not least, I do not want to be “saved” by some pervert who killed his son saying it would free you of your sins if you accept me into your heart. And if you do something I do not like I will send you to an eternal death. sounds…you tell me.
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
prove that your god is any more real than the FSM (may his noodley appendages touch you). There is proof that Jesus existed, but no proof that he was anything more than a mortal man. Just like you believe the bible is telling the truth, even though you can’t prove it, so do we believe the eight I-really-wish-you-rather-wouldn’ts are true, even though we can’t prove it.
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
Gerhard,
“Tell me something, do you know the spaghetti monster and how is it going to cleanse you of your sin and give you everlasting life?”
I never asked for everlasting life. The evidence for FSM is more compelling than evidence of your God. Since the version of your God is depicted as behaving like a petulant 5 year old. Seriously if there is a Supreme Being do you think they would act like a spoiled brat? As to sin. The Christian Church I was brought up in basically told us just try to not sin, you don’t get absolved of it, because at the end you have good deeds and sins and you only get into heaven if you have more good deeds than sin, Pastor didn’t believe in free rides. Maybe more Christians should follow that way of thought, because they would behave better and a lot more like followers of Christ’s teachings.
……
“Dont just fight with me about it, does it really make sense?”
Yes it does, it always makes sense to fight blind faith (not faith just the blind kind) and willful ignorance.
……
“Are you 100% sure that I am the one which is mislead?”
Yes, I think you are 100% wrong.
……
“To all reading this: Jesus Christ died for you and took the punishment of your sin so you don’t have to go to hell!!! Is that so hard to believe?”
Based on the actual history of the Bible, it’s discrepancies and the fact at accounts of Jesus (if you believe he lived) where written years after his death often from third party accounts. So I find it impossible to believe.
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
Hi Gerhard. There are so many deceptions out there, and only one true Flying Spaghetti Monster!!! I believe in the FSM not only because of the gospel of the FSM, but because His Noodliness has changed my life so drastically that I can never go back to the way I was. To actually be able to know the FSM and to see His power in my life every day… Tell me something, do you think someone can be his own father and his own son? Don’t fight with me about it, does it really make sense to you? Are you 100% sure that I am the one which is mislead? The FSM could, but chose not to, have himself nailed to a tree and feign death for 3 days, to save people from hell-rather he did not create hell in the first place(!). That’s because he is not a sadomasochist. It is that so hard to believe?
Well if it is, then you have to take it on faith.
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
@ Gerhard: Now, how shall I put this without getting everyone dizzy? Well, let me try.
Your religion tells us that as atonement for humans’ past sins, our present sins and all future sins, God sends himself to Earth to torture and kill himself so that he will impress himself so much that he forgives us all – when he could always have simply forgiven us and spared himself all the trouble.
Is that so hard to believe? YES.
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
” Jesus Christ died for you and took the punishment of your sin so you don’t have to go to hell!!! Is that so hard to believe?”
If you put it like that, no it’s not hard to believe. However, the claims like “God made the universe”, “Some guy made a whole sea split into two”, talking snakes, illogical and sadistic yet allloving and benevolent all powerful entity creating a universe… kinda makes one wonder…
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
@190 “I must say that I personally see God in everything”
Paranoia?
@198 Proponent of Intelligent Falling – with an appeal to autorithy and an appeal to ignorance as argument
“I think that we should be intellectually open to the idea that some aspects of falling are better explained by a divine mover who occasionally intervenes in objects’ natural trajectories, causing them to fall in a manner that is in accordance with His divine will”
So, as His Noodly Holliness has a lot more arms than Yahvé – who has between 0 and 2 of them- I should imagine that you are proposing the FSM as that “divine mover”, aren’t you?
(Should I invoke here Poe’s law?)
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
Yeah, I’ve seen gravity.
But you won’t see the rock hit your head.
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
@ – Niteshade, & – Insightful Ape, &- ex-Possible Convert, & – daqq, &
All other Pastafarians,
We got a very nice mention in the New York Times yesterday, and I’d like to snare it with all of you:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/27/us/27atheist.html?_r=2&hp
RAmen
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
@ plumberbob #209
That article made me smile (except that poll about voting/marriage, but it’s not really surprising).
RAmen,
Sarah
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
@ plumberbob: Thanks for sharing.
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
581 words of absolute meaningless bullshit.
Piss off
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
ALL HAIL THE FLYING SPAGHETTI MONSTER
MAY YOU BE TOUCHED BY HIS NOODELY APPENDAGE
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
ok yes i have seen a brian, i have seen factual pictures of it and thus have good reason to say it exist.
and thought i havent SEEN gravity i can observe the effct and assume its their.
where god, i havent seen him and i havent seen his DIRECT actions affect the world so i cannot assume he exist
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
Hey, what’s that? A Christian with proper orthography! And he replaces hate with self-righteousness and arrogance, almost making up for a charming lack of humor…
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
@ plumberbob,
I sent a message to the author of the NYT article to straighten her out about whether or not the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster is a “spoof on religion.” I was sure she would be pleased to know that, in fact, there is a Divine FSM who touches us with His Noodly Appendage. It’s strange that I have yet had a reply. Maybe tomorrow…….
RAmen
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
” Jesus Christ died for you and took the punishment of your sin so you don’t have to go to hell!!! Is that so hard to believe?”
Yes, that is very hard to believe. God said “I have taken offense to your following the very nature I gave you, so the only way I see for me to not torture you eternally in my own special dungeon is to knock up some virgin, then have you torture and kill my son.”
Riiiiiight.
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
Good Stuff. Pass the Parmesan, Amen.
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
If you can make the case for your religion without a single Bible reference, then I’d like to hear it. Otherwise, you are guilty of circular logic. For example: “The Bible does say clearly that man was created in his image (Genisis 1:27) so we know that God is not a flying spaghetti monster.” This argument is not at all convincing to anyone who is not Christian, and therefore does not believe in the Bible, and therefore won’t take the Bible’s word for anything. If you want to prove that God exists, prove it some other way; only then can you quote the Bible, because only then will there be evidence that the Bible can be trusted.
I have not seen my heart or brain, but it can be proved that they are there. Gravity can be directly observed through scientific experimentation. And as for the soul: people have such varying definitions on what the “soul” is for all of history that you can’t define it as one quantitative thing that clearly exists. Your definition of a soul is part of your belief system, not verifiable fact.
“Salvation comes through Jesus Christ and Jesus Christ alone (John 14:6).” Again, you quote the Bible to make me believe in it. How do you know that? You have only the Bible as evidence.
“Every other religion in the world is saved through works and Christianity is the only one where we are saved by our faith alone.” First of all: I don’t find that entirely true. If that was so, than any believer would go to heaven, no matter how much he/she sinned in other areas. Secondly: even if that is entirely true: how does this add any credibility to your claim?
Part of the reason that I am not religious is that it seems to me absurd that there would be thousands of religions and only one would be correct, only one would grant salvation, and gods would be too callous to admit the rest.
I am willing to look at a religious argument if it is based on reason and does not use circular reasoning. Believers take the existence of God as a postulate, as obvious, and they always cite the “fingerprints” God leaves and how evident His existence is (in their exact form and no other). That is not clear or obvious to me. In fact, I see more and more that convinces me against it each day. If anyone could give me a reason to believe that fundamental postulate without referring to the Bible or simply stating the postulate in a different way, I would listen. But each day I doubt more that anyone ever will be able to.
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
Ahhh his noodly goodness will one day reach you too my poor misguided fool, one day… perhaps sometime in the future just when you are falling asleep you will gaze up at the sky (i presume you live in the park) and cast your eyes upon the stars. And if you squint and twist your head a little you will see what vaguely resembles one of his noodly appendages (keep squinting) and then you will believe like the rest of us. Then you will know the error of your ways.
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
Dear Gerhard:
I am tired of you and people like you coming to this site and telling us we are going to die and go to hell if we don’t get saved by Christ right now. This is bullshit. I don’t believe in Christ. I don’t believe Christ existed. The bible is a lie created by men to control people and manipulate others into power. It’s terrible that so many have become caught in this lie and would defend it with such hate and anger. It only proves to me that I don’t want Christ in my life. I want the FSM. He does for me what Christ does for you, so get over it. Some people aren’t falling for the bullshit. GET OVER IT.
Meisha
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
HOW CAN U BELIEVE IN SOMETHING THAT A MAN INVENTED A FEW YEARS AGO? I MEAN COME ON, ARE U PEOPLE MENTALLY RETARDED? A GIANT FLYING PLATE OF SPAGHETTI DOES NOT EXIST, IS NOT REAL, HAS NO POWER AT ALL IF ANYONE BELIEVES THIS THAEN U ARE AN IDIOT. IF IT IS REAL, THEN PLEASE SHOW ME A PICTURE, AND A REAL PICTURE OF IT FLYING, NOT A REPRESENTATION OF IT, NOT FINLAND WITH SOME LINES DRAWN ON IT I WANT SOLID EVIDENCE
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
Ben,
Show me a picture of God. Prove God has power. Provide solid evidence that God exists, and not the Bible is not proof. Can’t do it? Then this religion has as much credibility as Christianity.
Apparently you didn’t read the opening letter, the purpose of this religion is to protest the teaching of ID as science in classes.
Post your address and I’ll send you a quarter so you can buy a clue.
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
Have any of you ever seen your own brain
indeed I have, I was in a car accident, and I nearly died when i was 6 years old. This was at the time I was a silly kid, and believed that your so called god was protecting me.
Have any of you ever seen your heart
Yes I have same reason
“If you declare with your mouth that Jesus is Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved” Really? that explains why a drunk driver hit our car when i was 6 and I nearly died. I have been a pastafarian ever since, and have never been in an accident, since then coincedence?
“Have any of you ever seen your soul? Does that meen that it isn’t there” A soul does not exist physically, its just something we humans have invented to examine emotion.
‘If God did not exist than man would create one’ and this is what has been done with the F.S.M. group. You have created a God and the Bible calls this idol worship”
Know YOU have created a god, and our fsm is the one who is the real one.
“The Bible does say clearly that man was created in his image (Genisis 1:27) so we know that God is not a flying spaghetti monster” Thats is in your bible, our god is more creative. He can make all kinds of designs, he doesn’tr have to make his own to feel good.
“would recommend that anyone who is a follower of this group to read not only the Bible but a series of books from a former atheist called “The Case for Christ” and “the Case for Creator” and from there you can draw your own conclusions” I reccomend you read the gospel of the flying spaghetti monster, its the real word of god.
“Think about it, if all the people in the world were on a boat in the middle of the ocean and the ship was going down and there were no lifeboats, everyone would need a Savior no matter how hard they tried to save themselves”
If the ship was gojung down no matter what, why would anyone need a savior? wouldn’t you try just fixing the boat? or learning how to swim?
Every other religion in the world is saved through works and Christianity
Umm no, that is historically incorrect. Christianity is a newer religion amongst many. Polytheism existed thousands of years bfore christianity, and all christianity did was copy egyption religions that started hundreds of years before Jesus.
Horus, god of sun
Born of a virgin
on december 25th
walked on water
had 12 disciples
1 betrayed him
he was crucified
3 days later he was ressurected
does that sound familiar? Horus existed 100s of years before jesus did.
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
Yawn. Ben #222, you are so boring. Why don’t you come back when when you have some first hand accounts of life of jesus as opposed to myths compiled or imaginary paintings done hundreds of years after his alleged life time.
And while you’re at it, get your keyboard fixed. The caplock key is stuck.
RAMen
r
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
I find it comical how all of you religious people who beleive in God don’t believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster! All Bobby did was replace the word God with the Flying Spaghetti Monster and everyone gets all upset! The truth is, NOBODY knows who or what God is, not if he even exists! Maybe you have a picture of God in your heads as a man, but we have all been told that he is NOT man, he is a God…therefore, he very well could be a Flying Spaghetti Monster…or maybe a pegasus or a pink unicorn. The truth of the matter is that nobody knows, and if all of you people had “Christ” in your heart, I don’t think you would be so hateful and vengful.
Thanks for reading
-Steph
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
“Have any of you ever seen your own brain? Does that mean that it isn’t there?”
True, good point.
“Have any of you ever seen your heart? Does that mean that it isn’t inside your body still beating?”
True, good point.
“Have any of you ever seen the FSM? Does that mean that it doesn’t fly around invisible bestowing greatness with his Noodly Appendage?”
So true, great point. I see the light. FSM, bring me home!
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
Guys, you all need to chill ESPECIALLY you over zealous, angry Christians. Even though I’m not personally a christian i think that we all know that this religion was just made up to prove a point, that the notion of ID being taught as a science is FUCKING RIDICULOUS. Nothing gets solved by preaching that every1 who believes in the FSM is going to burn in eternal hellfire, plus its really annoying, and i SERIOUSLY doubt any1 wants to hear that SERIOUSLY negative attitude. You Christians believe what you want and let everyone else believe what they want. It’s actually very ironic that Christians want everyone to be so conformist, when 2000 years ago Christians were the “FSMists” of the time.
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
Your logic further proves the existence of the flying spaghetti monster!
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
#190 – Karen
You see god in everything do you?
Oh look at that wonderful sunrise – it is god at work. No it’s not: it is a huge, 800000 mile wide, fusion reaction converting 4 million tons of hydrogen a second into energy 93 million miles away (physics). The light travels all the way to us in 8 minutes and enters our atmosphere in such a way that the blue light is scattered (physics) and we see a lovely red sun (physics). The blue sky is the result of the scattered blue light from the sun (physics). The beautiful, puffy clouds are not god at work but evaporated (suns energy) water condensing (physics). The beautiful green grass (chloroplast) waves in the wind (earth rotation and suns energy). That human you e-spy in the distance an evolved (biology) animal (much the same as other apes) with an advanced survival computer (brain) which has reached a point in its evolution where it has the ability to think And what are you doing with this amazing ability? “Oh, I see god in everything. I don’t need to know what things really are and how things really work. It is all god.” So much easier than actually questioning the universe and finding out it’s true purpose and workings. Perhaps some education would not go amiss.
Also, we may not be able to see gravity but we sure feel its effects on a continual basis. We can not make the same assumption about god – all you see as a god at work has a physical, natural explanation (or will have if we keep thinking).
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
I would just like to clear up something. The case for christ and the case for faith are the two stupidest books in creation. I have read them at my girlfriends church and they are full of holes in every statement. He states lies such as that science proves 100% that god exists because they found a board of wood that was from the same age as the ark so it must be the ark itself. If science proved 100% that god exists then there really wouldnt be much arguement would there. Science is not the issue here merely a grain of common sense. Faith merely means a schizophrenic belief system. Honestly if i hear voices in my head i believe in them but they arent really true. If i write them down and in a million years someone believes them than it could become a religion. He has a few points but those are easily overturned. And he is DEFINITELY not an aethiest and never was. He defines aethiest as being angry at god and straying from the path. In truth he is a brainwashed emo who likes to pose and argue with his parents religion just to be rebelious but he doesnt have the balls to actually think on his own. He says i was an aethiest because i was angry at god. That is absolute bullsht because truth be told their is no god, with the exception of the flying spaghetti monster.Argghhhh.
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
reason is like evolution, just because people don’t believe in it, doesn’t mean it’s not true.
quote from CD- “Gods word is like gravity, just because people don’t believe in it doesn’t mean it’s not true…”
Algebra, however is a fairy tale created by bored math majors who discovered dyslexia and torture in the same pizza party. Pizza is evil and the anti-pasta.
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
Let me explain something to you you fucking moron, the titanic sunk, how many people do you think on that boat wanted Jesus Chroist to save them? Yet so many people still died, mainly because of the fact… there were not enough life boats. Fingerprints huh? How odd the only actual proof that we have god exists is the bible which was written by a council that decided what was best for the religion. In fact if i do recollect correctly, the bible was written by the same people that thought the earth was flat. We did indeed prooove this to be incorrect. How would you explain all the signs of evolution we have discovered my feeble minded friend? Dinosaurs were not created by fucking bill gates after all.
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
Well he destroys his point by saying that if God weren’t real we’d create one. That’s what we’ve been doing over and over and over again since we could even conceptualize such an idea. It’s so logical yet we allow people to be irrational because religion is so taboo. People are allowed to believe what they want and that’s okay. It’s really not! You would let a doctor fill your prescription of faith or because he believes the dosage he gave you is correct. You would want some type of evidence that supports his decision making. Why is it that religion thinks they are somehow above this idea? At least understand where us non belivers are comng from. The FSM is just as likley a possibility as Jesus or Allah; probably more so as you can see that this modern day religions have man’s hands all over them.
Today I became a pastafarian =)
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
Antony Flew? You say he’s one of the most famous atheists? Well, I’ve never heard of him.
If Richard Dawkins convertemd then you mgiht have a point.
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
You know, I actually agree with this letter to a certain extent. Pastafarianims is a compleat load of bull shit and there is absoultly no evidence for it whatsoever. Which makes it a hell of a lot better than Christianity. There is a common theme between both beliefes; they both make no sense and have zero proof. But at least Pastafarianim creates a laugh or two. I can’t stand Christians talk non-stop about this fucking jeasus and how he’s suppost to save us all or something. Thanks a lot, but I don’t want to be saved. I have a new theory. All Christians go to hell, and everyone else goes to heaven.
Bobby Henderson, you are my idol. Finaly someone came up with absolute proof that the concept of religion itself it flawed. I give you a lot of credit for that.
I also would just like to say that I am not athiest and do believe in a god. However, this is my personal belief and I accept that there is no proof whatsoever in the existance of a god, as there is also no proof in the abstance of a god.
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
psst! Not believing in your god means not believing in his punishments for “idol worshiping”. Silly compact disc
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
“HOW CAN U BELIEVE IN SOMETHING THAT A MAN INVENTED A FEW YEARS AGO? I MEAN COME ON, ARE U PEOPLE MENTALLY RETARDED? A GIANT FLYING PLATE OF SPAGHETTI DOES NOT EXIST, IS NOT REAL, HAS NO POWER AT ALL IF ANYONE BELIEVES THIS THAEN U ARE AN IDIOT. IF IT IS REAL, THEN PLEASE SHOW ME A PICTURE, AND A REAL PICTURE OF IT FLYING, NOT A REPRESENTATION OF IT, NOT FINLAND WITH SOME LINES DRAWN ON IT I WANT SOLID EVIDENCE”
Actually, it’s not very hard to fabricate. Just build up a plate of great tasting spaghetti, pour some fantastic spaghetti sauce on top, top it off with two big meatballs, and finally [I wouldn't do this since I love spaghetti] have somebody snap a picture of the spaghetti plate as it’s flying through the air after you’ve thrown it like a frisbee. See? Not too hard. As for creating a video of such nonsense, it would be harder to show one continuously flying through the air as it would be moving too fast and gravity would take effect.
So, you see, a flying plate of spaghetti does exist, it is real, and it does have the power to either 1)hit you on the head and create pain, or 2)create a big mess of speghetti all over the floor, wall, ceiling (depending on how you throw it). Also, a picture IS somewhat of a representation of what is photographed, per se, since it isn’t happening in real time. Therefore, a picture should do when one has no idea of where you live or where you work so as to show you the awesome glory of the noodle.
RAmen!
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
Are my comments going to come up any time now?
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
Never mind, lol, it just did. Sorry!
RAWR!!
I mean:
ARRRGH!!
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
Christianity isn’t the only religion out there.
There’s Buddhism, Hinduism, Judaism, as well as the Islamic religion. (And a bunch more. There’s technically /thousands of religions.) So, as they exist as possible “theories” am I supposed to believe in Buddha, Shiva, the Jewish God, and Alla as well as your Christian God?
Or if I leave one out will I be damned by the deity of the god I neglected?
And the organ thing is a lame example. Because I know my heart’s there. And my brain. There’s such a thing as science– and if I really want to prove to myself that I have a liver, I can always get a CAT scan or something. ;D
However, I can’t just call up God/Buddha/Shiva/Allah. I don’t have any snapshots in my family album. And I’m pretty sure he won’t pop me an IM.
Gravity can be proven by dropping something. There’s actual proof. The only thing your religion holds as proof is the Bible– and how do you know that is even true, eh?
I don’t want to talk anymore, so I’ll leave off there.
“I WANT SOLID EVIDENCE”
RAMEN, BEN.
Maybe when someone gives /me/ solid evidence, I’ll believe in /their/ deity. ;3
But for now, I’m content with my picture of His Noodliness and his creation of His mountain, tree, and midget.
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
I’ll do what you say, CD, when I vote conservative.
Never.
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
Really? Did you really use the gravity case? The consequences for falling off a cliff are very obvious. When was the last time a bolt from “God” struck somebody for lying or cheating? Many liars in fact get ahead in the real world, they’re called lawyers and salesmen. Your “God” is pure bullshit. The FSM on the other hand has touched me, he touches me when the wind blows and even when I’m in the shower….naked.
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
Three things:
1)”God’s fingerprints are on all of creation and more and more scientists and people are recognizing this alike.”
Nope sorry, wrong. Creationists are the only ones trying to scientifically prove God, and none of them practice anything near the scientific process. First of all, scientific process requires that you accept the assumption that your theory could be wrong. Creationists fail right out of the gate on this one. Granted Atheists who try to disprove god make similar logical fallacies. In either case, the point is god is not something that can have science applied to it, which is why it doesn’t deserve air time in the science classroom.
2) “Think about it, if all the people in the world were on a boat in the middle of the ocean and the ship was going down and there were no lifeboats, everyone would need a Savior no matter how hard they tried to save themselves.”
Actually, they’d probably all drown or those who could tread water the longest would fashion a boat out of the corpses. Faith does not save you from drowning, that has been proven more than enough times. And if you do have Faith, then you know that drowning is nothing to be afraid of. Your allegory is fundamentally flawed.
3) “Every other religion in the world is saved through works and Christianity is the only one where we are saved by our faith alone.”
So you’re saying Christians don’t actually have to be good people, they just have to believe that they are. This really doesn’t help your argument. It actually makes the other religions look better.
Oh, and as for your suggested readings: I’ve read the Bible a few times, and the latter of your two suggestions. The Bible is one of the larger reasons I’m no longer religious. And the writings of Lee Strobel, while an interesting read with some good points, are extremely one sided and hardly an endorsement of the Biblical God.
In Love and Pasta,
Pastafarian Taco
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
I can understand why a lot of people do not believe that God really exists because of various reasons. For one, we cannot physically see Him. Two: Because of all the different religions out there. Then there are things like child abuse, murder, rape, cancer etc, etc… How can God allow these things to happen, especially if He is a loving God?
The reason we are not to see God is because He is Holy and we are not. No man can see God face to Face in this life and live. He created us without sin, perfect and holy. Because of the sin of Adam and Eve, we all became unholy to God, sinners. God said that we will surely die if Adam ate fruit from the tree of Knowledge of good and evil, and thats why they did and why we all have to die one day…
Yes, God could just have forgiven them and carried on, but He knew that they would continue sinning. Thats why He provided a better way for us. By sending His Son to die for everybody’s sins once, so that we dont have to die for our own sins!!! He was the perfect sacrifice required by God. (I know this sounds like God was cruel, but the truth is that Jesus sacrificed Himself for us. He laid down His life so that we can receive the gift of everlasting life… He said to Peter in Matthew 26:53 “Or do you think that I am not able now to call on My Father, and He will place beside Me more than twelve legions of angels?”
All we have to do is REPENT,(which means turn away from our sins and towards God) and put our trust in Him. Only those who accept Him as Lord will be saved. Eze 18:32 “For I do not have delight in the death of him who dies, declares the Lord Jehovah. So turn and live.”
You may feel that you dont need a saviour right now, but I plead with you to at least find out more about Christ. Read the Bible, even if you have done it before! This time pray and ask God to reveal Himself to you before you start reading. Only He knows you, You will find Him if you search for Him with all year heart! Only then will you start living…
I am praying for you…
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
Am I the only one here that recognizes this for what it really is? It’s nothing more than a joke. Get over yourselves people. Let the rest of us have a little bit of fun. Stop trying to dictate everything for everyone else. Learn some toleration. You can’t tell me what I think or believe or joke about. Arrrrrrr.
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
Besides how do you know, supposing God even exists at all, that he didn’t just create the world ten seconds ago, and then put the idea of everything else into your memory; So for instance you remember what you had for breakfast, but in reality, you really didn’t have breakfast because you were spawned into being ten seconds ago. There is no way of knowing if anything is as it seems; especially some dusty old book that was written out of translation and out of context. There isn’t even a decent bibliography to back up it’s claims with hard evidence, we are simply expected to blindly believe based on what some gangster clergyman tells to to accept as truth.
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
Hey Gerhard,
You may feel that you dont need a saviour right now, but I plead with you to at least find out more about the Flying Spaghetti Monster. Read His gospel, even if you have done it before! This time pray and ask His Needliness to reveal Himself to you before you start reading. Only Our Noodly Mater knows you. You will be touched by His Appendages if you search for His Noodly Goodness with all year heart! Only then will you start living…
Please be sure to bow your head, close your eyes, interlock your hands, and talk to yourself about me. I will be sooo obliged if you go through the ritual.
PS: Thanks for the cock and bull story. I’m sure I’d never heard that before.
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
one question for you. how do you know god ISNT the flying spaghetti monster. just cause it says he isnt in the bible doesnt mean its true. in the gospel of the FSM, it says god is an FSM, so why couldnt he be then? and also btw, you do realize this religion is a parody of christianity, its just a joke dude, calm down
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
Dear CD,
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
Dear CD,
Ha Ha ya know all of us here arnt atheists. Most my friends that are part of this group are Christians or at least believe in god. The reason why were part of this group is because of duche bag Christians like yourself that feel the need to force your gospel down our throats and when we smoke, drink, and have sex (out side of marriage) all of a sudden were going to hell and you are better then us! In my opinion FSM was created to show that every religion is on a level playing ground and you cant prove any of them are right. It’s the point of just letting people be who they are without persecution from you! I mean come on now I live in SLC, Utah with the Mormons you cant tell me anything that hasn’t been constantly thrown in my face. I believe in a higher power whether his name is God, Muhammad, or the flying spaghetti monster I doubt hes so vain as to care. So keep the hate mail coming it just makes me want to associate less with the category of people you fit perfectly in and ill keep my open minded FSM friends.
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
Is it just me or does this sound a little like a Jesusophile YouTube video? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xi8q9jeyfeo&feature=channel_page
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
ajajajajajajjajajajajajajajaja your joke was very original, congratulations, i had a very good time reading your post.
well, being serious, come on bobby, you haven´t read the hole bible yet right? if you had, then you know all the contradictions that are all over it. well i hope you change your mind, after all, the religion is what made this world sucks, just think bout it.
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
come on you imbeciles!!!!!!!! is not that we believe in this monster is a parody of you people who do really believe in a god, you aren’t familiar with the concept sarcasm right?
here I let you the concept for the religious idiots that think we are like them:
Sarcasm is a form of irony that is bitter or cutting, being intended to taunt its target
p.d.: by saying that we aren´t as you religious people, i mean -this was your opportunity for practicing that thing we name “sarcasm”- that we are a lot more higher in evolution -search for “darwin” you idiots-
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
Gerhard, your logic is flawed, just like so many before you. You recognize just a few of the reasons why people don’t believe in a God, which looks promising. However, then you go and ruin it by staing something based entirely on the Bible. You say that God is too holy for us to see, but wher is your evidence to back that up? The word is PROOF people!!
RAmen
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
How can you know that God exists if he is invisible? If he is invisible how can you see him and talk to him?
What is said on the Holy See (the Vatican official website) in your Bible, and amongst yourselves doesn’t change what the Gospel and the real word of the FSM says. The Flying Spaghetti Monster’s word is like gravity, just because people don’t believe in it doesn’t mean it’s not true and doesn’t mean there aren’t consequences to jumping off of a cliff. Someone can easily say “I don’t believe in gravity because I can’t see it, etc..because it’s an old belief….” but that doesn’t change the fact that it is there. This is like the FSM’s laws for all of humanity.
I’d translate the rest from ‘Christian-fundy-babble’ to ‘Reality’, but the sermon is just too long.
“Think about it, if all the people in the world were on a boat in the middle of the ocean and the ship was going down and there were no lifeboats, everyone would need a Savior no matter how hard they tried to save themselves. That savior is Jesus Christ. Every other religion in the world is saved through works and Christianity is the only one where we are saved by our faith alone. Once a person proclaims that Jeesus is Lord it is up to that person to live his/her life for Him.”
1) Since when are we all drowning? Apart from rising sea levels caused by global warming, and only pirates can save us from that, a SCIENTIFICALLY PROVEN PHENOMENON!
2) ‘Jeesus’ might not save you, as you can’t even spell his name.
3) I agree. Of course there is a savior–the FSM!
4) Wait a minute…so all other religions have to be saved through ‘works’ of goodness (a fact on which some other radicals might argue you– apparently we’re all going to hell), but all you have to do is say ‘I accept Jesus Christ as my personal lord and savior’ and you’re good, no matter what awful things you’ve done? Man, this God guy seems a bit egotistical.
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
I hope science figures out this invisablity thing. I really want to try it out on the Dallas Cowboy Cheerleaders. Give me a freakin’ break you self righteous, self loathing, fearer of things that are different. I don’t want to fear a “loving god”. I want to eat and be saved by his great big meat BALLS.
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
I love being a Pastafarian just as some people like being Christians. The proof for the FSM is just as compelling as it is for their liberal god Jesus.
Their God is everywhere and so is ours (pasta is all the stores and homes). They believe in God because they can’t prove he exists and so do we. We never saw God or how He created the earth and neither did they even though there is written records (by mankind). We believe that our God placed fossils everywhere and in the Grand Canyon to confuse scientists and so do they.
In some ways our gospel is better because we can explain gravity and global warming and the role of pirates in religion and history and they can’t. We probably worship our God better than them because we do it at dinner and not only on Sunday. Happy eating!
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
FSM is invisable but he leave signs that he was there, unlike god who doent leave a sign orcome down to earth to do anything >>
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
Attempting to prove the Bible’s legitimacy by using references from the Bible itself seems rather contradictory to say the least.
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
@ – flyingapostle #256,
Your comment that we’re all going to Hell reminded me of this P Chem exam that you might get a kick out of:
http://www.pinetree.net/humor/thermodynamics.html
Also, check out Southern Ptarmigan’s comment at the bottom of this link. He’s got it all together:
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=letters-may-2009&sc=DD_20090508
Some Christian Evangelists seem to be up to date, and know their church history.
RAmen
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
hey, someone try to say the fsm does not exist WITHOUT quoting the bible.
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
As a recovering Catholic, I know the power inherent in religious dogma, and it is profound. So let me say this: I cannot imagine a more pointless endeavor than arguing with a religious fanatic. You would have more success trying to take away a juicy steak (or plate of pasta) from a starving, cornered wildcat. Not that we should give up trying. But the scariest assumption of the deity worshippers –all other dogma aside– is that humans are all evil by nature, and without religion, no man can be good. The corollary to this is almost equally scary: that if you have religion, you are good, by definition. I firmly hope and believe that if you dispel this notion, a lot more thinking, intelligent people would suddenly find themselves to be atheists.
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
Since I am relatively new here, perhaps someone could –cue the divine music!! –enlighten me. Do people like Vesuvius really exist? Do they really think that all this FSM stuff is real and not just some wickedly-pointed parody? Can someone really be that dense? Oh wait…I think I answered my own question. Praise Allah! (hope the Homeland Security nazis are not monitoring this site….) In the immortal words of Bart Simpson: “there’s no such thing as a soul; it’s just something they made up to scare us kids, like the Bogeyman, or Michael Jackson.”
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
and if you live in europe you hear “there is no god” more often seriously so sry lol
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEb_3uajBto&feature=channel
Crazy what people do for god
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
You bring up good points, and I appreciate that you’re not approaching it with the hateful stance that so many others do. However, there are a few mis-steps in logic in your argument. First, you ask us how we can believe in the flying spaghetti monster if we can’t see him, but then you immediately move on to how there are things that we can know exist without seeing them. And you can’t use the bible as a source in your argument; I would assume you wouldn’t want me quoting the book of the flying spaghetti monster if I was arguing with you regarding the validity of my faith. And lastly, I would say that it’d probably be better to get off that sinking boat, rather than sitting there waitin’ for Jeebus.
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
@#245 Gerhard
“I can understand why a lot of people do not believe that God really exists because of various reasons. For one…”
For one, because there is not any reason to think there exists such thing as a God (of course, appart from the FSM)
“The reason we are not to see God is because He is Holy and we are not”
So, the fact that we cannot see -or hear, smell, detect in any way- God is a proof of his existence? I suspect here is christian logic in action. I will accept that statement if you prove…
1.- “God” exists.
2.- “Holy” has a real meaning, it is a property of some beings.
3.- “God” has this property while we don’t
“He created us without sin, perfect and holy.”
And innocent, without the ability to distinguish between what is “good” and what is “bad”. So the sin of Adam and Eve was a designing error from a lazy engineer.
“God said that we will surely die if Adam ate fruit from the tree of Knowledge of good and evil”
He also says that snakes will be eating dust forever, and I’m pretty sure that snakes eat other animals.
“By sending His Son to die for everybody’s sins once, so that we dont have to die for our own sins!!! He was the perfect sacrifice required by God. (I know this sounds like God was cruel, but the truth is that Jesus sacrificed Himself for us…”
It not only sounds cruel, but crappy. So God sacrificed himself to let himself to forgive us for breaking a rule he put and he know we -his creation- wouldn’t be able to complish? As an all-knowing almighty God, maybe he shouldn’t have put that rule on the first time.
” He said to Peter in Matthew 26:53 “Or do you think that I am not able now to call on My Father, and He will place beside Me more than twelve legions of angels?””
…And Peter said: “Yes, I’m pretty sure you can’t. Prove me wrong”
…And Jesus begged to his father: “Father, why have you abandonned me?”
“Only those who accept Him as Lord will be saved”
Prove it.
“This time pray and ask God to reveal Himself to you before you start reading. Only He knows you, You will find Him if you search for Him with all year heart!”
That’s how it works… if you search him with all your heart, you are a believer, so probably you will attribute a lot of casualities in your life to “Jesus”. If you are not doing that, it’s because you are not looking for him with all your heart, so try again till it works. Aren’t you brainwashing yourself?
“I am praying for you…”
I am thinking for you…
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
For some zealot to come here and question this faith is out of order. In fact his failure to recognise this church as the stinging ironic parody that it is, proves the unintelligence associated with all non believers of the FSM
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
“don’t just give up by creating your own religion/idol.”
Why not? It’s as valid as yours.
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
Well…I was seriously considering converting to pastafarism, but CD has showed my the error of my ways.
I will now be joining the Church of the Fonz. I know Fonz is real. I have seen him. And…I know this may be considered blasphemy, so pardon if I offend…Fonz is even cooler than pirates. Fonz is the epitome of cool.
Let us Aaaayyyy.
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
“The Bible does say clearly that man was created in his image (Genisis 1:27) so we know that God is not a flying spaghetti monster.”
That argument is ridiculous.
This is me:
“Oh shit, now you’ve read something from a book i dont believe a word in i definately agree with you! Cheers!”
This is you
“God does exist! Because mark, luke, john, jim and obi wan said so.”
If you beleive everything you read i suggest you read a book called ‘On The Origin of Species’ by Charles Darwin and ‘Giraffes? Giraffes!’ by Benny and Doris Haggis-on-whey
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
“God’s fingerprints are on all of creation and more and more scientists and peole are recognizing this alike.”
Errr……………. what?
I don’t think that true scientists are having revelations about answers to do with the complexity of the universe by stating ‘God did it’ just so they can finish work early…
There are so many contradictions in your comment I actually laughed. So much for ‘intelligent’ design.
Ramen
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
I’m sick of Christians.
Like or Dislike:
0 
0