How can you know that God is a F.S.M. if he is invisible? If he is invisible how can you see him?
What is said on this website, in your books and amongst yourselves doesn’t change what the Bible and the real word of God says. Gods word is like gravity, just because people don’t believe in it doesn’t mean it’s not true and doesn’t mean there aren’t consequences to jumping off of a cliff. Someone can easily say “I don’t believe in gravity because I can’t see it, etc..because it’s an old belief….” but that doesn’t change the fact that it is there. This is like Gods laws for all of humanity.
Have any of you ever seen your own brain? Does that mean that it isn’t there? Have any of you ever seen your heart? Does that mean that it isn’t inside your body still beating? Have any of you ever seen your soul? Does that meen that it isn’t there?
The fact is that we do have souls and I heard it put this way “If God did not exist than man would create one” and this is what has been done with the F.S.M. group. You have created a God and the Bible calls this idol worship. Often times groups in the Bible would create an idol to worship because they couldn’t see or hear or touch God.
God’s fingerprints are on all of creation and more and more scientists and peole are recognizing this alike. Antony Flew, one of the worlds most famous atheists has recently said that there is a God and one who is intelligent. The Bible does say clearly that man was created in his image (Genisis 1:27) so we know that God is not a flying spaghetti monster.
On another note, God’s word was written because He loves us and showed his unending love for us through his son Jesus Christs death on the cross and ultimatley, His resurrection from the grave. Romans 10:9 says that “If you declare with your mouth that Jesus is Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.” Salvation comes through Jesus Christ and Jesus Christ alone (John 14:6).
I would recommend that anyone who is a follower of this group to read not only the Bible but a series of books from a former atheist called “The Case for Christ” and “the Case for Creator” and from there you can draw your own conclusions. If you are truly seeking for answers in life than I would encourage all of you to search for those answers and don’t just give up by creating your own religion/idol.
Romans 3:23 says that “all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God”. That means you, me and everyone else in the entire world.
Think about it, if all the people in the world were on a boat in the middle of the ocean and the ship was going down and there were no lifeboats, everyone would need a Savior no matter how hard they tried to save themselves. That savior is Jesus Christ. Every other religion in the world is saved through works and Christianity is the only one where we are saved by our faith alone. Once a person proclaims that Jeesus is Lord it is up to that person to live his/her life for Him.
I hope that this has been some help to all of you.
-CD
How can you know God is a FSM
Published by Bobby Henderson April 15th, 2009 in Hate Mail (and concerned criticism). 406 Comments
406 Responses to “How can you know God is a FSM”
Dear CD,
Ha Ha ya know all of us here arnt atheists. Most my friends that are part of this group are Christians or at least believe in god. The reason why were part of this group is because of duche bag Christians like yourself that feel the need to force your gospel down our throats and when we smoke, drink, and have sex (out side of marriage) all of a sudden were going to hell and you are better then us! In my opinion FSM was created to show that every religion is on a level playing ground and you cant prove any of them are right. It’s the point of just letting people be who they are without persecution from you! I mean come on now I live in SLC, Utah with the Mormons you cant tell me anything that hasn’t been constantly thrown in my face. I believe in a higher power whether his name is God, Muhammad, or the flying spaghetti monster I doubt hes so vain as to care. So keep the hate mail coming it just makes me want to associate less with the category of people you fit perfectly in and ill keep my open minded FSM friends.
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Is it just me or does this sound a little like a Jesusophile YouTube video? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xi8q9jeyfeo&feature=channel_page
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ajajajajajajjajajajajajajajaja your joke was very original, congratulations, i had a very good time reading your post.
well, being serious, come on bobby, you haven´t read the hole bible yet right? if you had, then you know all the contradictions that are all over it. well i hope you change your mind, after all, the religion is what made this world sucks, just think bout it.
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come on you imbeciles!!!!!!!! is not that we believe in this monster is a parody of you people who do really believe in a god, you aren’t familiar with the concept sarcasm right?
here I let you the concept for the religious idiots that think we are like them:
Sarcasm is a form of irony that is bitter or cutting, being intended to taunt its target
p.d.: by saying that we aren´t as you religious people, i mean -this was your opportunity for practicing that thing we name “sarcasm”- that we are a lot more higher in evolution -search for “darwin” you idiots-
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Gerhard, your logic is flawed, just like so many before you. You recognize just a few of the reasons why people don’t believe in a God, which looks promising. However, then you go and ruin it by staing something based entirely on the Bible. You say that God is too holy for us to see, but wher is your evidence to back that up? The word is PROOF people!!
RAmen
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How can you know that God exists if he is invisible? If he is invisible how can you see him and talk to him?
What is said on the Holy See (the Vatican official website) in your Bible, and amongst yourselves doesn’t change what the Gospel and the real word of the FSM says. The Flying Spaghetti Monster’s word is like gravity, just because people don’t believe in it doesn’t mean it’s not true and doesn’t mean there aren’t consequences to jumping off of a cliff. Someone can easily say “I don’t believe in gravity because I can’t see it, etc..because it’s an old belief….” but that doesn’t change the fact that it is there. This is like the FSM’s laws for all of humanity.
I’d translate the rest from ‘Christian-fundy-babble’ to ‘Reality’, but the sermon is just too long.
“Think about it, if all the people in the world were on a boat in the middle of the ocean and the ship was going down and there were no lifeboats, everyone would need a Savior no matter how hard they tried to save themselves. That savior is Jesus Christ. Every other religion in the world is saved through works and Christianity is the only one where we are saved by our faith alone. Once a person proclaims that Jeesus is Lord it is up to that person to live his/her life for Him.”
1) Since when are we all drowning? Apart from rising sea levels caused by global warming, and only pirates can save us from that, a SCIENTIFICALLY PROVEN PHENOMENON!
2) ‘Jeesus’ might not save you, as you can’t even spell his name.
3) I agree. Of course there is a savior–the FSM!
4) Wait a minute…so all other religions have to be saved through ‘works’ of goodness (a fact on which some other radicals might argue you– apparently we’re all going to hell), but all you have to do is say ‘I accept Jesus Christ as my personal lord and savior’ and you’re good, no matter what awful things you’ve done? Man, this God guy seems a bit egotistical.
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I hope science figures out this invisablity thing. I really want to try it out on the Dallas Cowboy Cheerleaders. Give me a freakin’ break you self righteous, self loathing, fearer of things that are different. I don’t want to fear a “loving god”. I want to eat and be saved by his great big meat BALLS.
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I love being a Pastafarian just as some people like being Christians. The proof for the FSM is just as compelling as it is for their liberal god Jesus.
Their God is everywhere and so is ours (pasta is all the stores and homes). They believe in God because they can’t prove he exists and so do we. We never saw God or how He created the earth and neither did they even though there is written records (by mankind). We believe that our God placed fossils everywhere and in the Grand Canyon to confuse scientists and so do they.
In some ways our gospel is better because we can explain gravity and global warming and the role of pirates in religion and history and they can’t. We probably worship our God better than them because we do it at dinner and not only on Sunday. Happy eating!
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FSM is invisable but he leave signs that he was there, unlike god who doent leave a sign orcome down to earth to do anything >>
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Attempting to prove the Bible’s legitimacy by using references from the Bible itself seems rather contradictory to say the least.
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@ – flyingapostle #256,
Your comment that we’re all going to Hell reminded me of this P Chem exam that you might get a kick out of:
http://www.pinetree.net/humor/thermodynamics.html
Also, check out Southern Ptarmigan’s comment at the bottom of this link. He’s got it all together:
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=letters-may-2009&sc=DD_20090508
Some Christian Evangelists seem to be up to date, and know their church history.
RAmen
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hey, someone try to say the fsm does not exist WITHOUT quoting the bible.
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As a recovering Catholic, I know the power inherent in religious dogma, and it is profound. So let me say this: I cannot imagine a more pointless endeavor than arguing with a religious fanatic. You would have more success trying to take away a juicy steak (or plate of pasta) from a starving, cornered wildcat. Not that we should give up trying. But the scariest assumption of the deity worshippers –all other dogma aside– is that humans are all evil by nature, and without religion, no man can be good. The corollary to this is almost equally scary: that if you have religion, you are good, by definition. I firmly hope and believe that if you dispel this notion, a lot more thinking, intelligent people would suddenly find themselves to be atheists.
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Since I am relatively new here, perhaps someone could –cue the divine music!! –enlighten me. Do people like Vesuvius really exist? Do they really think that all this FSM stuff is real and not just some wickedly-pointed parody? Can someone really be that dense? Oh wait…I think I answered my own question. Praise Allah! (hope the Homeland Security nazis are not monitoring this site….) In the immortal words of Bart Simpson: “there’s no such thing as a soul; it’s just something they made up to scare us kids, like the Bogeyman, or Michael Jackson.”
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and if you live in europe you hear “there is no god” more often seriously so sry lol
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEb_3uajBto&feature=channel
Crazy what people do for god
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You bring up good points, and I appreciate that you’re not approaching it with the hateful stance that so many others do. However, there are a few mis-steps in logic in your argument. First, you ask us how we can believe in the flying spaghetti monster if we can’t see him, but then you immediately move on to how there are things that we can know exist without seeing them. And you can’t use the bible as a source in your argument; I would assume you wouldn’t want me quoting the book of the flying spaghetti monster if I was arguing with you regarding the validity of my faith. And lastly, I would say that it’d probably be better to get off that sinking boat, rather than sitting there waitin’ for Jeebus.
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@#245 Gerhard
“I can understand why a lot of people do not believe that God really exists because of various reasons. For one…”
For one, because there is not any reason to think there exists such thing as a God (of course, appart from the FSM)
“The reason we are not to see God is because He is Holy and we are not”
So, the fact that we cannot see -or hear, smell, detect in any way- God is a proof of his existence? I suspect here is christian logic in action. I will accept that statement if you prove…
1.- “God” exists.
2.- “Holy” has a real meaning, it is a property of some beings.
3.- “God” has this property while we don’t
“He created us without sin, perfect and holy.”
And innocent, without the ability to distinguish between what is “good” and what is “bad”. So the sin of Adam and Eve was a designing error from a lazy engineer.
“God said that we will surely die if Adam ate fruit from the tree of Knowledge of good and evil”
He also says that snakes will be eating dust forever, and I’m pretty sure that snakes eat other animals.
“By sending His Son to die for everybody’s sins once, so that we dont have to die for our own sins!!! He was the perfect sacrifice required by God. (I know this sounds like God was cruel, but the truth is that Jesus sacrificed Himself for us…”
It not only sounds cruel, but crappy. So God sacrificed himself to let himself to forgive us for breaking a rule he put and he know we -his creation- wouldn’t be able to complish? As an all-knowing almighty God, maybe he shouldn’t have put that rule on the first time.
” He said to Peter in Matthew 26:53 “Or do you think that I am not able now to call on My Father, and He will place beside Me more than twelve legions of angels?””
…And Peter said: “Yes, I’m pretty sure you can’t. Prove me wrong”
…And Jesus begged to his father: “Father, why have you abandonned me?”
“Only those who accept Him as Lord will be saved”
Prove it.
“This time pray and ask God to reveal Himself to you before you start reading. Only He knows you, You will find Him if you search for Him with all year heart!”
That’s how it works… if you search him with all your heart, you are a believer, so probably you will attribute a lot of casualities in your life to “Jesus”. If you are not doing that, it’s because you are not looking for him with all your heart, so try again till it works. Aren’t you brainwashing yourself?
“I am praying for you…”
I am thinking for you…
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For some zealot to come here and question this faith is out of order. In fact his failure to recognise this church as the stinging ironic parody that it is, proves the unintelligence associated with all non believers of the FSM
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“don’t just give up by creating your own religion/idol.”
Why not? It’s as valid as yours.
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Well…I was seriously considering converting to pastafarism, but CD has showed my the error of my ways.
I will now be joining the Church of the Fonz. I know Fonz is real. I have seen him. And…I know this may be considered blasphemy, so pardon if I offend…Fonz is even cooler than pirates. Fonz is the epitome of cool.
Let us Aaaayyyy.
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“The Bible does say clearly that man was created in his image (Genisis 1:27) so we know that God is not a flying spaghetti monster.”
That argument is ridiculous.
This is me:
“Oh shit, now you’ve read something from a book i dont believe a word in i definately agree with you! Cheers!”
This is you
“God does exist! Because mark, luke, john, jim and obi wan said so.”
If you beleive everything you read i suggest you read a book called ‘On The Origin of Species’ by Charles Darwin and ‘Giraffes? Giraffes!’ by Benny and Doris Haggis-on-whey
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“God’s fingerprints are on all of creation and more and more scientists and peole are recognizing this alike.”
Errr……………. what?
I don’t think that true scientists are having revelations about answers to do with the complexity of the universe by stating ‘God did it’ just so they can finish work early…
There are so many contradictions in your comment I actually laughed. So much for ‘intelligent’ design.
Ramen
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I’m sick of Christians.
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Christians don’t understand anything. Not even their own bible. For the last time, the FSM is god. Not because we have proof, but because it pisses you off.
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I only got to the “people dont beleive in gravity” bit, who are you hanging out with that dont believe in gravity? I think you need new friends, maybe some inteligent ones that realize that God does not have FINGERS he has NOODLES i mean come on!
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I would like to say that your a religious nut who wastes his life reading the bible
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the bible was written and created by the FSM to hide itself and to cheat humans. In citing the bible you are proving that FSM is indeed real and “your” god is just imaginary.
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I know God is a FSM because he touched me with his noodly apendage, obviously. My husband claims HE was the only person in the kitchen at the time but I beg to differ.
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267 replies. Wow. This makes it 268. I can’t believe this tripe is worth a post! How and ever, I have some advice for my brothers and sisters in Christ who might happen across this shining example of freedom of speech: Matthew chapter 10, verses 12 to 15 (the Message) – “When you knock on a door, be courteous in your greeting. If they welcome you, be gentle in your conversation. If they don’t welcome you, quietly withdraw. Don’t make a scene. Shrug your shoulders and be on your way.” Don’t get sucked in. Just mooooooove on.
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I knock on your door (Astounded) quietly…May FSM fill your heart with waves of soft spaghetti and an ocean of marinara sauce. HE loves all, even those who don’t know him…YET!
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how can you not know
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Astounded: brother and sisters in Christ, what does it mean? Is it a sexual reference?
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@ – Astounded #280,
We, the congregation of Pastafarians, have a website here from which we launch no recruitment drives, and from which we dispatch no missions or missionaries. After reading The Open Letter and the material at the “About” tab, you will see that our cause is the prevention of religious dogma in public school science classes. Our theology is self contained, and is not derivative of, or dependent upon any other religion. NonPastafarians are welcome to visit and learn here, however, those who insist upon posting letters and comments should expect a vigorous defense of faith, just as we would expect as vigorous a confrontation if one of us started preaching to your religious school classes. Let me recommend that you read the comments of a Christian Evangelist, Southern Ptarmigan (ten down on the comments thread), who seems to have a sane perspective:
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=letters-may-2009&sc=DD_20090508
We are not the least apologetic about our website or its contents; you have come here voluntarily; please be respectful.
RAmen
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I love how they contradict themselves in paragraph 4. “If God did not exist than man would create one”
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No, God’s words are not like gravity, gravity makes sense. Look at in in basics, people are living their lives in a certain way, some even to the point of hate, because of the things they believe a god who is not proven to even exists would want them to do.
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Why is it any less likely god is a FSM than a human, Christians don’t have any proof he’s human
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bump
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she says that it is crazy that god would be a flying spaghetti monster yet she seems to find that the word of the bible is irrefutable proof that god looks exactly the same as people. second i wouldnt really call this hate mail…i would call it im better than you and i will tell you how but in a polite/condescending way
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last i checked, the bible was a collection of stories written by men. and i don’t hear about pastafarians forcing their beliefs on people through “crusades” of armed force.
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dude if you “god” is so narcissistic that he damns all who disagree with him regardless of how they live thier lives than he is clearly not worthy of bieng worshiped by ANYONE
besides how do you know that YOUR religion is the right one and that anyone who disagrees with YOU is going to rot in hell for eternity? Don’t you think that you are a little full of yourself? and another thing: what proof do YOU have? lets see… you’ve got a book written by a number of people about 2000 years ago. you’ve got a number of “faces” apering in people’s food and on trees. and you have very little tolerance for ANYTHING that condridicts what you believe in ANY way. and based on that you honestly believe that a mystical being exists?
its like you said:”You have created a God and the Bible calls this idol worship. Often times groups in the Bible would create an idol to worship because they couldn’t see or hear or touch God.”
isn’t that the same for you though? isn’t it far more likely that people thousands of years ago felt the same need to find something to worship? isn’t that true for all religions? when we humans need something and can’t find it we create it and pretend it was always there as well as condem anyone who says otherwise
and if i’m wrong and there is a god don’t you think that if he is as intelligent, loving and forgiving as you claim that he will understand our point of view and look poorly on you for discrimating against others just because they had reletively vaid beliefs that were different than your own?
unlike you i am able to live my life as a good person, not in fear of eternal damnation, but because it is they way we should live. i truly feel sorry for you that you are held back by your hatred for anything different and i know that until humanity can put aside all our little differences, understand eachother, and learn to live as a single society we will never reach our full potential and, in my belief, we will never be prepared for the coming dialogue.
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Gravity has given us consequences from jumping off a cliff
We can scan to check that our brains do actually reside inside of our skulls
What consequences has God given me so far?
What tests have been taken to see of he’s there?
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This post is a great example of Christian ignorance of the Atheist point of view.
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um… you say that we have no proof of the floating spaghetti monster and i believe you because its actually kinda funny but anyway, you have no more proof of god, no not God, god. you say oh the bible tells us. for all you know the bible is a bunch of crap that or it was lessons put into a magical sense so that it was easier for the people of that time to understand. thats all ive got to say
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John B Huttlinger III, you are every bit correct
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I know lots of people who don’t believe in gravity.
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@ – Chris – #296,
Are they also all members of The Flat Earth Society?
RAmen
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Just as you guys are entitled to your opinion so is CD.
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QUOTE: “How can you know that God is a F.S.M. if he is invisible? If he is invisible how can you see him?”
How can you know that the Christian God is how the Bible describes him? He’s invisible too!
QUOTE: “Gods [sic] word is like gravity, just because people don’t believe in it doesn’t mean it’s not true and doesn’t mean there aren’t consequences to jumping off of a cliff. Someone can easily say “I don’t believe in gravity because I can’t see it, etc..because it’s an old belief….” but that doesn’t change the fact that it is there. This is like Gods laws for all of humanity.
“Have any of you ever seen your own brain? Does that mean that it isn’t there? Have any of you ever seen your heart? Does that mean that it isn’t inside your body still beating? Have any of you ever seen your soul? Does that meen [sic] that it isn’t there?”
We have dissected Humans, and so can prove that there are big organs in the skull, made up of grey matter which control our CNS. We can also see that inside the chest is a big red muscle which controls our circulation. A soul, on the other hand, is NOT like these examples – we cannot see it, nor its effects (unlike gravity, which we can see due to its effects) so how do we know it exists?
QUOTE: “The Bible does say clearly that man was created in his image (Genisis [sic] 1:27) so we know that God is not a flying spaghetti monster.”
So you’ll believe a book written by a man several thousand years ago?
What if in 6,000 years, civilisation found the book “the Gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster” and started believing in that? What’s the difference between that, and Christianity?
QUOTE: “Think about it, if all the people in the world were on a boat in the middle of the ocean and the ship was going down and there were no lifeboats, everyone would need a Savior [sic] no matter how hard they tried to save themselves.”
They’re called Search and Rescue, and they operate from MANY countries.
QUOTE: “That savior is Jesus Christ.”
So if an old lady was being beaten up by some crack-head, and shouted out “Save me please Jesus!”, Jesus would save her? Even if she was a perfect human: the real-life equivalent of Ned Flanders? NO! She would be beaten up, and probably die.
I hope that this has been some help to of you in understanding our point of view.
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@-Chris: Oh, me too. Unfortunately, they’re all lying dead at the bottom of cliffs, having been under the impression they could fly.
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