How can you know that God is a F.S.M. if he is invisible? If he is invisible how can you see him?
What is said on this website, in your books and amongst yourselves doesn’t change what the Bible and the real word of God says. Gods word is like gravity, just because people don’t believe in it doesn’t mean it’s not true and doesn’t mean there aren’t consequences to jumping off of a cliff. Someone can easily say “I don’t believe in gravity because I can’t see it, etc..because it’s an old belief….” but that doesn’t change the fact that it is there. This is like Gods laws for all of humanity.
Have any of you ever seen your own brain? Does that mean that it isn’t there? Have any of you ever seen your heart? Does that mean that it isn’t inside your body still beating? Have any of you ever seen your soul? Does that meen that it isn’t there?
The fact is that we do have souls and I heard it put this way “If God did not exist than man would create one” and this is what has been done with the F.S.M. group. You have created a God and the Bible calls this idol worship. Often times groups in the Bible would create an idol to worship because they couldn’t see or hear or touch God.
God’s fingerprints are on all of creation and more and more scientists and peole are recognizing this alike. Antony Flew, one of the worlds most famous atheists has recently said that there is a God and one who is intelligent. The Bible does say clearly that man was created in his image (Genisis 1:27) so we know that God is not a flying spaghetti monster.
On another note, God’s word was written because He loves us and showed his unending love for us through his son Jesus Christs death on the cross and ultimatley, His resurrection from the grave. Romans 10:9 says that “If you declare with your mouth that Jesus is Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.” Salvation comes through Jesus Christ and Jesus Christ alone (John 14:6).
I would recommend that anyone who is a follower of this group to read not only the Bible but a series of books from a former atheist called “The Case for Christ” and “the Case for Creator” and from there you can draw your own conclusions. If you are truly seeking for answers in life than I would encourage all of you to search for those answers and don’t just give up by creating your own religion/idol.
Romans 3:23 says that “all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God”. That means you, me and everyone else in the entire world.
Think about it, if all the people in the world were on a boat in the middle of the ocean and the ship was going down and there were no lifeboats, everyone would need a Savior no matter how hard they tried to save themselves. That savior is Jesus Christ. Every other religion in the world is saved through works and Christianity is the only one where we are saved by our faith alone. Once a person proclaims that Jeesus is Lord it is up to that person to live his/her life for Him.
I hope that this has been some help to all of you.
-CD
How can you know God is a FSM
Published by Bobby Henderson April 15th, 2009 in Hate Mail (and concerned criticism). 406 Comments
406 Responses to “How can you know God is a FSM”
How did that Savior work out for the people on the Titanic? I guess only a handful were righteous believers, but did he have to take the band?
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It doesn’t cease to amaze me how these people think they can disprove the existence of the FSM by quoting from the bible. Do they not realise that this is an entirely separate religion, with its own gospel?! Its like trying to learn english from a book written entirely in English… it isn’t going to get you anywhere!
And also, your “just because you can’t see it, doesn’t mean its not there” argument is useless… we believe things exist based on evidence, cause and effect, that kind of thing. We can’t prove gravity exists through sight alone, so we use other methods to prove it. There is no way of proving that your god exists, and reason and logic tell us that he doesn’t. Therefore, why would you believe in one?
RAmen
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Yawn, I could barely finish reading this one
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“I hope that this has been some help to all of you.”
I can assure you it has been of no help whatsoever.
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Holy irony batman.
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Blah blah blah blah *Snooze*
Try converting baby atheists first before coming after the seasoned ones.
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I believe in the FSM because i’ve seen proof :D Where’s your proof about all you’ve said? the bible is not a proof.
And like you’ve said: “If God did not exist then man would create one”, well, if there is no God, there’s the FSM, YAY!
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I’ve read ‘The case for Christ’. Some anonymous nutter shoved it through my door (dunno where they got my address) after I had a letter published in the local paper asking for the writer of a previous letter to provide evidence for the resurrection of Jesus.
The worst book ever.
The ‘evidence’ presented is that because some Jews died for their beliefs after Jesus was crucified (no evidence for this either), they must have REALLY believed what they were saying.
Some proof, that. The scary thing is that apparently the author was an ex-detective. If I were in charge of the justice system in the US I’d be reviewing this guys cases, there are probably hundreds of innocent people locked up.
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@ -George #94,
I put in my two cents about 25 posts back, but here are some links that we should all share and keep for reference as you suggested to CD. NOVA:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/id/program.html
Pirates:
http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=pirates-rational-choice&SID=mail&sc=emailfriend
Fundamentalists:
http://home.cc.umanitoba.ca/~altemey/
Some Scientific American pieces of relevance:
http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=creationism-feels-right-but-that-doesnt-make-it-so&SID=mail&sc=emailfriend
http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=religious-ideas-burrow-in-brains&SID=mail&sc=emailfriend
http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=dalai-lama-talks-science&SID=mail&sc=emailfriend
http://www.sciam.com/blog/60-second-science/post.cfm?id=texas-vote-moves-evolution-to-the-t-2009-03-27
http://www.sciam.com/podcast/episode.cfm?id=why-people-believe-what-they-do-09-04-10&sc=DD_20090413
RAmen
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The fact is that we do have souls and I heard it put this way “If God did not exist than man would create one” and this is what has been done with the Christian group. You have created a God and the Gospel calls this stupidity. Often times groups in the Gospel would create an idol to worship because they couldn’t see or hear or touch the FSM.
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So you’re saying God must be real because the Bible created by his followers says so…. circular logic perhaps?
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Christianity is the only one where we are saved by our faith alone.
-CD
Actually, my faith in the FSM saves me from Christians.
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this man is right, CD may god’s blessing be with you and your family. as for you “pastafarians,” you need to get lives. why do you believe in the FSM? because some nerd “bobby?” told you so? or because you believe that there is as much evidence that a hunk of noodles created the universe than the actual god. Jesus was real and his story is written in the greatest book on earth, the bible. theres alot of unexplained things in the world, but all because God doesn’t reveil himself to you, he is automaticlly not real. all because the bible is old doesn’t mean it is full of lies. there are cave paintings millions of years old, but no cavemen, does that mean that early homosapians didn’t exsist? please reconsider your choice of worship. i’m not forcing you to change, after all, its your life.
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also, Bobby proclaims that he created the FSM, this means that your “god” didn’t exsist untill 2005. no go it your fake spaghetti freaks
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to Zane,
your an idiot. God does not send you to hell for every little sin, thats why he sent his own son to die for our sins, because he loves humanity so much. thats why you ask Jesus christ to forgive you for your sins.
Amen(not RAmen)
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to Richard, your a idiot. the bible isn’t a novel. are you a moron? you don’t even know what a novel is
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you pastafarians keep blabbing on about god creating us in his image. we were, if we weren’t we would look like frikken spaghetti monsters
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CD-
you take the bible to literally.
Just because a hindu, or a jew is born jewish, does that mean they will not reach heaven?
or does heaven really exist?
it seems to me that you rely on a tangible thing to comfort yourself.
Im a christian to, but does that not mean that we can’t take amusement in the flying spaghetti monster, or the nice layed back ideals of the ones who celebrate it?
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This person, like most xtians is just like their Christ…a zombie
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jesus freaking krist enough jesus freakin christ happy horseshit, i do not need the cd heard the albumn
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How can you possibly refer to the bible in an attempt to disprove the FSM? How can you be sure the bible is true and not just stories? And what you’re not seeing is that the FSM is basically the god you believe in just he’s a flying spaghetti monster. If you cannot see your god then who are you to argue against the reality of another god when your reasoning is that you cannot see him? There’s more than one religion mate. Get over it.
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Well, I’m gonna write a book about a turtle named Yordle, and I’m gonna get everyone to worship said turtle and in 2000 years people are gonna point at my Yordle Bible and use that as ‘proof’ that Yordle existed and is almighty and that It created the universe and try and strike down any other beliefs because they do not worship Yordle.
…doesn’t change the fact that Yordle doesn’t exist, and that they’re wrong.
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Killing your own son to make a point to the general public should be seen as a bad thing, methinks. Not the kind of familiy you’d want to socialise with. Although, now that the deed is done, they have a spare room for sleepovers. However, don’t send your own son for one, and if he goes over to play (with whom you may well ask), make sure he’s home by seven.
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“How can you know that God is a F.S.M. if he is invisible? If he is invisible how can you see him?”
Ohhhhh, the irony! It hurts!
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DEUTERONOMY 4:31
For the Lord thy God is a merciful God.
EZEKIEL 9:5-6
Go ye after him through the city, and smite: let not your eyes spare, neither have ye pity: slay utterly old and young, both maids, and little children, and women.
Some mercy! This is your God of love, CD.
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ok now you people are using youtube as proof? i dont think your “god” would show himself to all us “non believers” would he?
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I like how all of this hate/criticize mail speaks of proof of a god, yet they don’t ever provide any.
His fingerprints are on everything? Okay, could I have an example please? Some concrete evidence?
What really grinds my gears is when christians politely tell us that we’re completely wrong and smugly lecture on about the “truth” and how we’re all going to burn in hell for having a different view. Great, you can be nice, but you’re still too thick-skulled to think about the fact that there is no evidence to back up your theory.
Also I’ve seen a couple of comments about how Bobby is leading us all down a path of damnation. I’m sorry, but I take GREAT pride in knowing that I have a mind of my own and I’m sure all the other Pastafarians feel the same way.
Maybe they shouldn’t throw stones (though they do that in the Bible don’t they?) at us… Jesus had a tough time and people attacked his beliefs when he was trying to spread the word of his god, didn’t they? 2,000+ years from now people will look back at the New Jesus, Bobby Henderson, with the same respect and admiration as you christians do for Jesus. Ha!
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Sigh… ah, the timeworn proof of “God is real because the Bible says so”. Oh so popular amongst our detractors. This is the best way I’ve ever seen this particular idea put:
“(1) The Bible says the Bible is true.
(2) Therefore the Bible is true.
(3) The Bible says God exists.
(4) Therefore, God exists”
They never seem to understand that if you don’t believe in the Bible, everything it says is moot.
CD- thanks for the concern, but we’re perfectly happy to believe in our own god, which WE don’t think is an idol.
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Yo CD! Embrace His Noodly Appendage!
Ramen
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Have any of you ever seen your own brain? Does that mean that it isn’t there? Have any of you ever seen your heart? Does that mean that it isn’t inside your body still beating? Have any of you ever seen your soul? Does that meen that it isn’t there?
Yes, as a matter of fact I have seen both my heart and my brain. Not at the same time though. We gave them a fancy three letter name. One is a CAT, the other is a MRI, the second was not named as cutely as the first but DOG was already taken by dyslexic christians!
Ramen
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DEAR VESUVIUS,
Thank you for not forcing us to change. When God “reveils” himself I will become a Christian. Meanwhile, let’s hope that “homosapiens” will move further in the direction of empiricism.
I can feel the love, you illiterate idiot!
INRI
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I have it on the highest authority that the Bible is false. Arg.
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Hi Vesuvius.
Seriously,you need to get a life. Why do you believe in the bearded sky daddy? Because some bronze age desert goat herders told you so? Or because you believe that there is as much evidence that a breaded man in the sky created the universe than the actual FSM. FSM is real and his story is written in the greatest book on earth, the gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster. There are a lot of unexplained things in the world, but all because FSM doesn’t reveal himself to you, means His Noodly Goodness is automaticlly not real? All because the gospel of the FMS is new doesn’t mean it is full of lies. There are cave paintings millions of years old, but no cavemen, does that mean that early Homo Sapiens didn’t exist? Please reconsider your choice of worship. I’m not forcing you to change, after all, its your life. (Too bad the inquisition is over, I guess).
Our gospel was written in 2005, that certainly doesn’t mean that the FSM didn’t exist until that time. It simply means times were not ripe for him to reveal himself to us. Just like, followers of a certain sect believe a guy named “jesus” always existed but no one knew about it until he was born(what the heck is that supposed to mean anyway?) and that there is a place called hell where people he doesn’t like will burn for eternity, and no one knew about that either, until the jesus guy brought us the “good news”. And then they claim his daddy “created” us in his own image. Of course there is the slight possibility that the desert goat herders made that thing up in their own image. (At least Bobby Henderson was more creative.) Followers of this sect usually do not get it when “myths” are referred to as “novels”.
You know Vesuvius, venting your frustrations on the internet by calling total strangers idiots is not healthy. You need to see a psychoanalyst to bring out your Freudian repressions.
Oh, one more thing about that particular sect. While they pretend not to like homosexuality, they finish their talks by saying, “Ah…Men”.
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Vesuvius,
My problem with organized religions is their depiction of God. The way they depict God is to show him as a petulant 5 year old throwing a temper tantrum because he is jealous (play my way or I will kill you). All the major religions other than Buddhism depict God in this light; can’t anyone else see the disconnect between an all-knowing all-powerful being and this kind of behavior? This takes a Supreme Being (God) and gives him the worst of human emotions, not the best. Why would a being of such power even care what we thought? Such a being would not require worship; he already has all the power and knowledge. Such a being would be completely beyond our comprehension so assigning him human emotional characteristics is just a form of anthropomorphizing that has gotten out of control. It is an attempt by people to make God in an image that justifies their behaviors. I’m sorry but I can’t logically believe in that kind of God. I am not atheist I do believe in God, but not the one that organized religion wants to push down our throat because their version doesn’t make the least bit of sense. I have too much respect for God to be able to see him in such a juvenile light. That is my belief though and I don’t expect anyone to share it, now isn’t that a novel idea.
Christians will argue that the Bible is the proof they need. Well then they need to learn the history of their Bible. You can’t be a true believer if you don’t even know the history of your religious text. For example the Jesus story, shows up in many older religions for their important people. A lot of the parts of the story are the same. Many have a virgin birth, there are others that have a resurrection (same time frame and everything), and etc. The list is pretty long. Then there is the fact that the stories about Jesus a written long after his death mostly on third party accounts. When you can look at the complete history, like the editing, the translations (many languages to don’t translate well into each other), at this point you are relying on the interpretation of the Bible by the translator, hence all the English versions of the Gospels. Then there are copying errors made by monks copying the Bible (a good number who could not read), etc. Only after knowing all of this and taking it into account can you know your religious text. I won’t even get into the fact that nowhere in the Bible is there mention of fiery hell. The in the Middle Ages adopted a fiery hell to strike fear into their congregations. The version of hell we are most familiar with was later adopted from Dante’s work by the Catholic Church.
I think people who feel that others must believe as they believe are actually that way because they are insecure in their beliefs. The more fervent the less secure they are. They need others to believe the same as them to give credence to their own belief. They justify it a number of ways to themselves the most common one is that they are ’saving the non-believer’. The truth is they are trying to save themselves, so they don’t have to think through what they believe and why, because once they started questioning they might find they were wrong, and that would be too much for them to handle.
I don’t know where I heard this from but someone once said that ‘fundamentalists have more fear of the devil than love of their God’, and I think that is very true.
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bobby will never be a jesus and if you think that then you can go with all the other idiots to your imaginary land of pasta, get lives
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Think Beer Volcano think dinosaurs are cool, Pirates rock (except for those Somali ones who can’t go Yargh and Yo ho ho ) Now as for man being in gods image – just remember man has a little noodly appendage.
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Vesuvius
With regard to your Bible and cave paintings argument, you aren’t comparing things that are the same. That argument proves nothing about the actual content of your holy book, it only means that there is just as much evidence to support the existence of the people who WROTE the Bible as there is to support the existence of early Homo sapiens, who drew the cave paintings. This doesn’t make the mumbo-jumbo written in that book any more or less valid, therefore, you haven’t actually done anything to support your argument, save making a fool of yourself.
Also, when do you think your God was created? He sure as hell wasn’t around several million years ago, when dinosaurs roamed the Earth. Nope, your God was created when people realised that they weren’t too clever, and couldn’t be bothered to work out any complicated questions. I believe this is called the “God of the Gaps” theory. Imagine that we are in the year 4005, and FSMism has spread across the globe, and the majority of people on the planet accept it as absolutely true. No questions asked. If you then came up with the idea of Yahweh, or whoever you wish, we would have exactly the same argument as you. We would be the ones saying “OMG, you can’t just create a God… our FSM is an all powerful, awesome God, not like your puny little fake god that you just created.” Do you see? Not one of the pastafarians would have been around at the time of the creation of their god, so they would have no clue that it was in fact made up by some “nerd” as you call Bobby.
On another note (sorry for the long post) It would seem that most of your “arguments”, if you can even call them that, for the falseness of the FSM seem to stem completely from the Bible, and the Bible alone.
You say that we wer “created in God’s image”, but where is your proof for that? have you ever seen God at all? Our “image” is nothing more than a product of gradual evolution. Go back a while, and you would find that we looked quite alot different from the way we do now. So, if we were created in God’s image, God must be some butt-ugly primitive ape, or, to go back even further, a single celled organism! Just think, an all powerful single celled organism. You really would have to be a retard to believe in that.
You state words from the Bible as if they are fact, not giving a second to really try and THINK about it yourself, to make your own mind up. I seriously hope that you will read this and start to make your own decisions, rather than accepting what is written in a 2000 year old NOVEL (and yes, i do know what novel means, and thats exactly what the Bible is; a collection of stories, just as fictional as mickey mouse) and walking around with a blindfold on with some holier-than-thou person leading you around on a leash.
Bless everyone on this discussion (apart from Vesuvius) with his Noodlinesses energy rich goodness.
RAmen (not Amen, thats for losers)
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Contradiction fail!
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wow…a bigoted hypocrite
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Sorry if i’m repeating stuff others have pointed out but i’ve been on holiday for a week and just got back.
Right, all this bollocks about how do you know you have a brain or heart if you haven’t seen one. Well, they’ve yet to open up a human who hasn’t got one so i’m taking an educated guess i have one too.
Still haven’t seen this god fella anywhere yet.
And, why the fuck do you crazy christians keep qouting the bible as a source of proof? You have no concept of the english language. It’s a book of stories. I’m not even sure most of it was intended to be taken literally but the people with no minds of their own have taken it so.
I’ll make this simple because a lot of christians are.
Your bible.
Your Cheesus.
Your god.
NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER.
I’m glad i cleared that up for you.
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Are you serious? You can’t argue against our holy book by using yours; it’s illogical. Now if you can disprove FSM using the Gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, then that’d be a valid argument to which we would respond some nonsense about blind faith, which sounds remarkably like Christianity. You ignorant kids spoon-fed by your parents have no sense of humor, no morality, and no reasons for belief in Christ. You are not Christ-like. You are not pure. “…Purity is for water.”-FSM Oh and you misspelled “Jesus.” You fail at argument, CD. By the way, does CD stand for Cerebrally Disengaged?
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Antony Flew has indeed rejected atheism but has not adopted the Christian lifestyle. To quote from an article at existence-of-god.com, “he still rejects all purported divine revelation, including the Bible, the Koran, and any other example you’d care to mention.”
Your argument would carry more weight if Flew had embraced your chosen lifestyle but instead you have shot yourself in the foot.
Holy cannelloni, what an idiot!
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UNBELIEVERS! ALL HAIL YORDLE THE HOLY TURTLE, SON OF THE FSM!
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i have seen this so many times, just except that christians have seen something in the bible that others struggle to see, to them it realy is a living word that mannefests itself in everyday life.
what i don’t understand is why is it christianity that is always getting the full folly of shots, not a single persone on this site has said a word about isalm or the khoran, is that not a faith based on a god no-one has seen and a book written by men? in islam you must fight the non-believer next to you. i have seen the faith of islam and it’s works first hand and it was not a beautiful thing to see, i have never seen a christian extremist get on a train or bus or airplane full of people and blow it up or delibrately crash it just to get his/her point accross last time an artist made a joke of alah in a news paper the muslims were in the streets protesting and threatening his life, jesus is the arse end of so many jokes in the world and yet there is no threats upon the lifes of those who make them so why does the world hate christians so much? becuase they knocked on your door and said jesus loves? becuase they sing praises to him in church and want to proclaim his name from the mountain tops for all to hear and share in that wich they have found in him? simple question: why?
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Nice, I just cant even respond to that, it is talking to a wall! It is amazing how utterly ignorant of things right in front of us some of us “enlightend” folks are! I do have one Q, whaen i eat spagehtti is that akin to communion or heresy? ;) love your stuff guys, keep it up!
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First you say that the FSM is invisible, therefore we don’t really know it exists. Then you say that your god, despite him being invisible, exists, just like our own unseen hearts or gravity. You can’t use this argument of “because you don’t see it doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist” to prove the existence of your god and use the same string of logic to prove the nonexistence of the FSM. We can easily say “just because you can’t see the FSM doesn’t mean he doesn’t exist”.
And here’s my response to the typical “Jesus is your savior” or “the true god” stuff that’s spewed in hate mail: there are other religions out there. They don’t follow the bible or the word of your god? Tough. Get used to it.
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There is no god. Get over it. Think for yourself instead.
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“Boarg Says: Killing your own son to make a point to the general public should be seen as a bad thing”
Why? Says who?
Song, have you given much thought to your epistemology? I’m curious what you would identify as your ultimate authority? What do you reference to distinguish reality from fantasy? Is is logic, your own intellect, or perhaps the consensus of society?
How do you know if that which you rely on is truly authoritative? Is it self-authenticating or do you cross-check your ultimate reference point? If you do, wouldn’t that diminish it’s capacity to be an ultimate authority?
Or do you just conclude that nothing can really be known?
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I have a muslim friend who says that all works such as the torah and Bible are fallible because they are written by men, in a time that is completely different from now, the God back then my have changed( I know it says he’s unchanging, but in Old Testament he’s a vengeful bugger, then at the end of NT he sort of wonders off, which I would call changing) maybe he really likes spaghetti :) and decided to have chnage, he’s omnipotent right, therefore he can do anything, even be FSM
May you be touchd by his noodly appendage :)
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Ok, writing down all flaws in your theorie would take too long
So I’ll start with just 1 important question to reveal one of your greatest flaws.
You compare the existence of God to the existence of gravity, the presence of our brain or heart.
However, a heart: we can feel it beat so it is there.
A brain: I am able to move, to think, so it is there.
Both things I will also easily see with a scan.
Gravity is measurable and thus it can be proven in many ways to exist.
However: where is your proof of the existence of God?
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