How can you know that God is a F.S.M. if he is invisible? If he is invisible how can you see him?
What is said on this website, in your books and amongst yourselves doesn’t change what the Bible and the real word of God says. Gods word is like gravity, just because people don’t believe in it doesn’t mean it’s not true and doesn’t mean there aren’t consequences to jumping off of a cliff. Someone can easily say “I don’t believe in gravity because I can’t see it, etc..because it’s an old belief….” but that doesn’t change the fact that it is there. This is like Gods laws for all of humanity.
Have any of you ever seen your own brain? Does that mean that it isn’t there? Have any of you ever seen your heart? Does that mean that it isn’t inside your body still beating? Have any of you ever seen your soul? Does that meen that it isn’t there?
The fact is that we do have souls and I heard it put this way “If God did not exist than man would create one” and this is what has been done with the F.S.M. group. You have created a God and the Bible calls this idol worship. Often times groups in the Bible would create an idol to worship because they couldn’t see or hear or touch God.
God’s fingerprints are on all of creation and more and more scientists and peole are recognizing this alike. Antony Flew, one of the worlds most famous atheists has recently said that there is a God and one who is intelligent. The Bible does say clearly that man was created in his image (Genisis 1:27) so we know that God is not a flying spaghetti monster.
On another note, God’s word was written because He loves us and showed his unending love for us through his son Jesus Christs death on the cross and ultimatley, His resurrection from the grave. Romans 10:9 says that “If you declare with your mouth that Jesus is Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.” Salvation comes through Jesus Christ and Jesus Christ alone (John 14:6).
I would recommend that anyone who is a follower of this group to read not only the Bible but a series of books from a former atheist called “The Case for Christ” and “the Case for Creator” and from there you can draw your own conclusions. If you are truly seeking for answers in life than I would encourage all of you to search for those answers and don’t just give up by creating your own religion/idol.
Romans 3:23 says that “all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God”. That means you, me and everyone else in the entire world.
Think about it, if all the people in the world were on a boat in the middle of the ocean and the ship was going down and there were no lifeboats, everyone would need a Savior no matter how hard they tried to save themselves. That savior is Jesus Christ. Every other religion in the world is saved through works and Christianity is the only one where we are saved by our faith alone. Once a person proclaims that Jeesus is Lord it is up to that person to live his/her life for Him.
I hope that this has been some help to all of you.
-CD
How can you know God is a FSM
Published by Bobby Henderson April 15th, 2009 in Hate Mail (and concerned criticism). 406 Comments
406 Responses to “How can you know God is a FSM”
Yeah, this really helps.
My eyes are open now, everything is clear and the truth has reached my soul.
The truth is some people will never understand.
Will never start to think.
Will never be touched by his noodly appendage.
And will never read the “If you’re new to the site, you’ll probably want to start here”-Site.
RAmen
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“How can you know that God is a F.S.M. if he is invisible? If he is invisible how can you see him?”
Divine inspiration to the prophet Bobby Henderson and those who have truly given themselves to the holy noodle.
“What is said on this website, … Does that meen that it isn’t there?”
I have evidence for the existence of those things. I let go of a ball and it drops. I think and have thoughts. We’ve opened bodies and they have brains. Presumably I’m the same species so I would have a brain too. And I can feel my heart beat in my chest. Sight is not the only way to gather evidence.
“If God did not exist than man would create one”
Pretty much. In fact I read a good novel the other day that had the fact that Gods existed, but only if they could have believers, and it was those believers who brought them into existence in the first place. (Terry Pratchett’s “Small Gods” if anyone is interested. They are good books)
“The Bible does say clearly that man was created in his image (Genisis 1:27) so we know that God is not a flying spaghetti monster.”
You ever seen a model of a protein or parts of our anatomy. Very spaghetti-like. But don’t you say God is perfect? I wouldn’t say that the human body (which according to you is pretty much the same as God’s body) is perfect. There’s so much that can go wrong, and there’s always that blasted spot on your back that you can’t reach to scratch.
“On another note, God’s word was written because He loves us and showed his unending love for us through his son Jesus Christs death on the cross and ultimatley, His resurrection from the grave.”
Yes, he loves us. So he’ll condone genocide, slavery, rape, and if we do anything to displease him in the slightest he has a special place full of fire and burning and torture and pain where he will send us to burn and cry and scream for ever and ever until the end off time. (’Okay you got me God, I did take that candy bar.’ “AH HA! YOU HAVE STOLEN THEREFORE YOU DESERVE PUNISHMENT FOREVER!!!!”)
“I would recommend that anyone who is a follower of this group to read not only the Bible but a series of books from a former atheist called “The Case for Christ” and “the Case for Creator” and from there you can draw your own conclusions. If you are truly seeking for answers in life than I would encourage all of you to search for those answers and don’t just give up by creating your own religion/idol.”
Recommend somewhere I can get those cheap and I’ll give ‘em a read eventually. But I’m not paying cover price for something that I suspect is full of BS.
“Think about it, if all the people in the world were on a boat in the middle of the ocean and the ship was going down and there were no lifeboats, everyone would need a Savior no matter how hard they tried to save themselves. That savior is Jesus Christ. Every other religion in the world is saved through works and Christianity is the only one where we are saved by our faith alone. Once a person proclaims that Jeesus is Lord it is up to that person to live his/her life for Him.”
Everyone in the world is on this boat? Well no wonder it’s sinking. You’ve got too many bloody people on it! It’s only supposed to carry 50. Invest in a clicker… 48… 49… 50. Wait for the next boat please.
But seriously (not really), if I were on that boat I’d prefer a savior who could actually save my life… like superman. Some non-zombie character who could actually do more than stand on the water saying, “Accept me and you will do better in the next life.” I’ll damn well worry about a next life if and when it comes. In the meantime, I’ve got enough on my plate worrying about this one.
Peace and Long Life,
Zane
(It took a lot of will power to avoid talking about some of the spelling/grammar errors in that)
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So… let me get this straight…
God’s word is true, because the book that God wrote says God’s word is true?
Here is a link for you to ignore: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circular_definition
In Christianity, you are saved by faith alone? So if I beat my kids, murdered in the streets, slept with goats, and pushed people off cliffs as a hobby, it’d be okay, so long as I believed that Jesus was the One True Savior? I think your own bible disagrees with you on that count.
…incidentally, Antony Flew was a really poor choice to prove your point. He became a Diest, not a Christian. In other words, he believes there *is* a God, but not necessarily the God of the Bible. Quite likely, were he alive during the time of the Revelation to Bobby, then he would have recognized his Noodly Lord and welcomed him with cutlass bared and fork ready for twirling…
Finally, a collection of links that would help you, but by this time, you have gone off to pester some other group that isn’t in lockstep with you. Possibly to declare Jihad upon them.
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=24&chapter=3&verse=28&end_verse=30&version=31&context=context
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=52&chapter=13&verse=9&end_verse=11&version=31&context=context
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=47&chapter=7&verse=1&version=31&context=verse
http://www.quotedb.com/quotes/1905
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hypocrisy
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/Irony
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/Oblivious
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How do you know God is a bearded guy? Through the Bible? We have a holy book aswell, you know, and it clearly states a FSM created the world.
The way I know I have a heart and brains is that I know that without them, my body could not function, plus I’ve seen them in every other human being, so why not in me? I have never seen a soul, however, nor do I think it’s necessary (All functions attributed to it are located in the brain).
You also say that as long as you believe in Jesus, whatever you do next doesn’t matter. Does that mean I am evil if I do things for other people my etire life, give up everything I have for them etc., but I don’t believe in God? Does it mean I may seize power over the world, provlaim myself emperor, and torture millions of people each day because it gives me a kick, and still I’m good as long as I believe in God? That’s a really nasty, megalomanic god who doesn’t care for anything but himself, then.
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If something is invisible, then those wavelengths of light that we perceive are not emitted by the object at hand. However, just because you cannot see it does not you cannot feel His Noodly Appendage.
His Noodliness allowed for heretics to create the fake book so titled the Bible, for it amused His Meatballs. Consequently, the Flying Spaghetti Monster does not speak, so whatever word you think is His is surely the lies of some B.C. fiction writer(s) out of a job (goat herding).
I cannot claim to have seen my brain, but if you volunteer, I will check that your’s is indeed in your head. The same goes for your heart, though I’m sure a Cat Scan or an MRI would suffice. And have you ever seen the FSM? I have. In fact, there is an IMAGE of His Noodliness on my bumped sticker (and apparently, on t-shirts, sidewalks, potted plants, clouds, and other locations worldwide.
No you! (OMG BEST COMEBACK EVER) I remind you that writing that your fake sky-daddy’s book is the word of sky-daddy does not actually make it an actual book of sky-daddy’s words. Even the unemployed goat-herders failed to get their stories to agree while wandering all about Israel as hobos.
Actually, DNA (of humans and otherwise) is full of USELESS CRAP that was only necessary back before viruses mutated and in the direction of archeans. It’d be pretty cool if we were at all efficient, but apparently there were a lot of mistakes along the way. Your sky-daddy figured it’d be fun for people to doubt his awesomeness, so he dropped those in. You know, for fun, since people on the whole are egotistical, inefficient, uncooperative, corruptible, and physically frail (at least, compared to Rhinos!). Your sky-daddy doesn’t sound like much, if we are made in his image.
That’s cool. Letting your children die must be only of your sky-daddy’s virtues, according to precedent. But then, isn’t killing also uncool? So killing your own (or others’) children wouldn’t be right (since you’re against abortion), but maybe not having any children would do the trick, right? You know, emulate your sky-daddy and feel closer to him? I’d appreciate the lack of Your children, and I’m sure His Noodliness wouldn’t mind. He’s pro-choice, after all.
I’m going to guess that a lot of atheists have read the Bible, unlike yourself, who appear to be selective in reading only pro-sky-daddy books. And we think your literature is CRAP. (Plus, the writing style is horrendous! Who edits it? The Church?)
Romans are also the guys who killed Joshua (for real, it’s not Jesus). They also had some pretty awesome military tactics, as well as advanced forms of government, and even almost-modern plumbing. Plus, they would have orgies and were cool with homosexuality and ate a lot for fun before throwing it up on purpose, so really, I don’t think they cared much for your definition of sin.
Or, they could resign to their fate, and die like the people on the Titanic died. Joshua didn’t seem to help them with getting out alive, and so far as history shows, all the scientists, comedians, entertainers, and the majority of beautiful women wouldn’t get saved. I’d prefer to die with/like them, than with boring dudes who really like to pray. It’s not like living a boring sinless life will allow me to sin like a pro in the afterlife, will it?
I hope that you go to your sky-daddy’s heaven and spend all of eternity BORED.
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“Have any of you ever seen your own brain? ”
Yes.
“Does that mean that it isn’t there?”
Ummm… what? I just told you I’ve seen it via many methods of brain imaging.
” Have any of you ever seen your heart?”
Yes.
“Does that mean that it isn’t inside your body still beating?”
Even if I couldn’t see it, I can easily tell if it is beating or not. What a silly rhetorical question. It adds absolutely nothing to conversation.
“Gods word is like gravity”
NO IT IS NOT. God’s word is the exact opposite of gravity. Gravity is a real thing that can be subjected to repeatable experiments, and you can produce predictions with a startling amount of accuracy. God’s word is nothing like that. How can you even say that?
One day, you are going to have to think for yourself and it is going to scare you.
I appreciate the nearly proper spelling, but I cannot comment any more on this on this.
This is a stupidity that has no self-awareness. It is a cognitive dissonance so dense that nothing I could ever say could penetrate. Ideas must be distinct before logic can act upon them.
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Just because the flying spaghetti monster can’t be seen doesn’t mean he isn’t there. You say as much yourself about God.
“The Bible does say clearly that man was created in his image (Genisis 1:27) so we know that God is not a flying spaghetti monster” Well the bible’s always right isn’t it? You people use the bible as your proof for everything yet you dismiss the glaringly obvious errors.
“Think about it, if all the people in the world were on a boat in the middle of the ocean and the ship was going down and there were no lifeboats, everyone would need a Savior no matter how hard they tried to save themselves. That savior is Jesus Christ.” so when the ship’s sinking will we all stand on a floating Jesus?
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Bland Christ metaphors… Seen it all before…
And yes, I have read far too much of the bible and that’s one of the reasons that I am an atheist.
The difference between this website and groups in the Bible who created idols is that God tended to brutally slaughter most of them, why not us?
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Wow CD you really are a nut aren’t you. “If God did not exist than man would create one”, perhaps the xtian god is man-made! Flew is 86 now, is said to be mentally troubled, and has also stated “that his God is not the God of any of the revealed religions”. There is absolutely NO evidence for any god. Why don’t we humans just realise that we don’t know everything yet. I am sure, over time, science will answer all the questions we raise which are currently in the realm of philosophy.
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Wow, this one’s got pretty much the whole plethora of tired, clichéd, and irrelevant Christian arguments!
First of all, we know that He is an invisible Flying Spaghetti Monster, because, like any self-respecting religion, we have PROPHETS and GOSPEL. It’s rather a lot like the way you now that God’s an old bloke with a beard, and that the ten commandments are his idea.
And then, the ever popular you-can’t-see-it-but-you-can-feel-it argument! Very original. Sadly (for you), God is nothing like gravity. Gravity is a measurable, predictable, laws-of-fundamental-physics-compliant force. God is by definition ephemeral and undetectable. It’s a ridiculous comparison. The FSM, on the other hand, is quite a lot like the wind. I can’t see it, but I can feel it, and sometimes it smells nice.
I’m not even going to bother with the brain and heart compared to God fallacy. It’s been laughed at and overruled countless times already.
Next up, that jewel of a line “If God did not exist, man would be compelled to create him.” I hate to break it to you, sweetie (actually, that’s a lie, I don’t hate it at all, I quite like it), but that’s an argument on our side, not yours. We’re by no means the first ones to create a deity. Ours is just made from fresher ingredients than yours.
Antony Flew is one voice among many very clever people, and he was very possibly going a bit senile when he changed his tune from atheism to deism. Even if he wasn’t, he still didn’t become a Christian, only a deist, and he is definitely in the minority among atheists to even go that far.
Then we have a lot of dross about how we are all miserable sinners and need to accept Jesus. This is really rather like telling us to be good or the easter bunny won’t come. And if we are all in a shipwreck, let’s eat some chocolate eggs, because they’ll help, just like Jesus will. (Although probably rather less than our piratical life skills learnt from Pastafarianism will.)
I think the whole Christian thought system in ingrained in some of you so thoroughly that you fail to realize, if one rejects the original premise – We’re all miserable hopeless sinners – then the whole shebang and shebible is moot. We’re not miserable and hopeless, and most of us are even fairly decent people, and so we don’t need a Messiah any more than I need a lifeboat in my 18th floor apartment.
Anyway, you’re not helping anyone, not even yourself, and in addition, you need to learn to spell.
Have a noodlicious day.
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Ours is a manmade god, but so is yours. Your evidence, the bible, was written by stoneage desert dwelling nomads who`s relevance to todays world diminishes by the day. I enjoyed reading your post and appreciate the civil manner in which you state your case.
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Dear CD,
You obviously have not read The Gospel. While the FSM is usually invisible, he does appear to people occasionally. You will even find evidence of his apparitions on Youtube.
Since you mention gravity, there is also an explanation of gravity in The Gospel. Basically, it is His noodly appendages that keep us on the ground. Incidentally, this is the reason why an increase in population results in taller people. But I won’t explain further…I’ll leave you to read the truth in The Gospel of the FSM.
The Christian Bible may say that man was created in his image (what about women?), but we know that the one true Gospel says that actually, “we were created in His IDEAL image: that of the Pirate. Since then, we’ve come to resemble other people’s Gods” (The Gospel of the FSM – Unified Spaghetti Theory page 55).
And yes, we do know that God IS the Flying Spaghetti Monster. You will several proofs…just read The Gospel.
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Hmmm, I think this is fake as the arguments are too silly. On the off chance it’s not…
Comparing God to gravity or other things we can’t see is a poor comparison. We can see the effects of gravity and brains, we can’t see any effects from God.
Quoting the bible as fact is pointless without any proof it’s accurate.
The boat comparison is very poor. If we were all in a sinking boat we’d most likely drown, with no saviour. Let’s drown in style!
Anthony Flew is no longer an atheist but so what. He was right and he’s now wrong, he holds no authority over me. Even then, he does not follow the bible literally and has said “I’m thinking of a God very different from the God of the Christian and far and away from the God of Islam, because both are depicted as omnipotent Oriental despots, cosmic Saddam Husseins”
Sorry CD, your arguments are poor.
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Cd…
First off, your premise is flawed from the start. The “bible” (“God’s word”) that you are quoting from is a collection of fiction (fic⋅tion/ˈfɪkʃən/ [fik-shuhn] –noun
the class of literature comprising works of imaginative narration, esp. in prose form). I have included the definition, just in case you do not care to look it up.
This codex of letters, prose, ancient law, and genealogy tables was written by men who claim divine inspiration has been translated into several different languages and back again by scribes, who were working from memory a good portion of the time. As often as not, the actual words used in those translations varied from author to author.
Then you have the “Church” which has been deciding for centuries what parts of those “scriptures” are “actually the word of God” and which parts are not, the most recognized version of this is known as the “King James” bible. Ever hear of the Apocrypha and the Pseudepigrapha?
Why should we accept your god and your “scriptures” as true when the only difference between your deity and Zeus, Jupiter, Odin, Shangdi and countless others is simply the number of people who currently choose to believe those writings?
RAmen.
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Being able to walk on water, Jesus better darn well be there as a savior. I just hope he has the upper body strength to hold all the passengers. Or maybe he has the Flash’s super speed and can rescue them all one by one.
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No help at all, actually. Can’t you think of anything more useful to do with your life ?
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How can you pretend to know anything since you have apparently failed completely in your ability to read and do any research. HAD you spent even a quarter of the time actually looking at stuff you would have save yourself the other 3/4 and found that the majority of your preconceived notions are DEAD wrong.
So far you have proven that you are a complete waste of time.
Congratulations.
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How can you know that yahweh is god if he is invisible? If he is invisible how can you see him?
What is said on among you, or at your church doesn’t change what the gospel of FSM and the real word of FSM says. FSM’s word is like gravity, just because people don’t believe in it doesn’t mean it’s not true and doesn’t mean there aren’t consequences to jumping off of a cliff. Someone can easily say “I don’t believe in gravity because I can’t see it, etc..because it’s an old belief….” but that doesn’t change the fact that it is there. This is like FSM’s laws for all of humanity.
I heard it put this way “If FSM did not exist than man would create one” and this is what has been done with the Christianity and Islam. You have created a god and I call this idol worship. Often times groups in the world create an idol to worship because they can’t see or hear or touch FSM.
Antony Flew got a little senile, that’s all.
The gospel of FSM says that we are created by Spaghetti, so the claim that we are made in the mind of the creator is clearly baseless.
I would recommend that you read not only the gospel of the FSM but a series of books from real atheists called “The God Delusion”, “God: the Failed Hypothesis”, “God is not great: How religion poisons everything” and from there you can draw your own conclusions. If you are truly seeking for answers in life than I would encourage you to search for those answers and don’t just give up by saying god did it.
Think about it, if all the people in the world were on a boat in the middle of the ocean and the ship was going down and there were no lifeboats, everyone would need a Savior no matter how hard they tried to save themselves. That savior is the FSM. Every other religion in the world requires you to accept their doctrine and threaten you with hell if you don’t. But once a person does good things the FSM rewards him with the beer volcano and stripper factory regardless of his beliefs.
I hope that this has been some help for you.
PS: Boy, why are some people so patronizing.
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A help to us? Sorry – not at all.
The only “evidence” you – or any other Christian in history – have given us for the existence of God is your own plagarized, heavily-edited book of fables, absurdities and contradictions. The BuyBull also clearly says that rabbits chew their cud, and that the entire world can be seen from a mountain top.
The Gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster clearly states there is a beer volcano waiting for us in the next life. Does that make it so?
Tolkien’s Two Towers clearly states there are talking trees called “ents”. Fact because it is written?
I would suggest that you read the God Delusion.
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Sigh…These people just make me feel tired and depressed. Undereducated, narrow-minded and without the slightest shred of humour. They need to ask themselves, why do I believe in this particular deity, what would I believe if I was born into another culture? This will never happen, of course, because they are taught never to question. Closed minds are desirable and holy. Oh yes, and once again…SPELLCHECK!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I understand,CD, that you aren’t well educated but please use spellcheck as a courtesy to these of us who are offended by bloody ignorance.
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Wow, this could be the dumbest one yet?
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Oh my!
Where to start………..
You’re god’s invisible. You beleive in him?
There is proof of gravity. Experimental, repeatable, confirmable PROOF.
I have seen my brain – on an x-ray. So there is PROOF. I have also seen my heart on an x-ray and heard it beat….. again PROOF.
If everyone were going down in a ship, the ones asking jeezus for help will still be at the bottom with the non believers.
We HAVE read the bible and that’s why we are atheists. I will life my life for myself and my family and friends – not an imaginary being.
Your god is a vengeful, nasty, mysogynistic, mudering, lazy bastard and why you worship him and his strange rituals and demands confuses and bothers me.
I have not sinned or fallen short of anyone and I refuse to kowtow to your horrendous idol or apologise for something I didn’t do.
YOU should read some Richard Dawkins. Or better yet read the bible again but with an open mind, and see it for the nasty, illiterate, rambling, ambiguos, violent and destructive piece of garbage it really is.
OOPS … wait – I forgot your a christian …. you don’t have an open mind.
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Wow. Those circular arguments leave my head spinning. Classic examples of forming an argument to support a belief. Sorry CD but it should work the other way around. Beliefs should be supported by observations…evidence.
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It has been some help, CD.
When I first started reading your note, I began planning a detailed, sarcastic flaying of your entire set of arguments. Then, as I read further, I abandoned this futile ambition, as I realized that you didn’t have anything coherent enough to be worth attacking. You are a sad, intolerant, thoughtless little dogmatist who can’t even spell ‘Jesus’ right.
Thank you for helping me realize I was wasting my time and energy.
PS: Get a life.
RON.
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It’s finally happened! Someone yammering bible verses at me has made me see the light!
Oh, wait. No it hasn’t. It’s just cemented in me what narrow-minded creatures xians are.
RAmen
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You cant see the forest for the trees. To your first question: that is the point. Second you cant use the bible to prove the bible.That argument is circular. Third everything you say about his noodliness can be said of god as well. But hey, I don’t teach science in your churches so plz don’t teach your religion at my school.
Peace
Ramen
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Did you just compare words attributed to magical god to a measurable atomic force? You would fail a high school earth science trash like that. Sight in not the only source for empirical evidence and in the case of gravity if you don’t trust any of your senses there are still instruments that can measure it. Just like how my fork vibrates a little when FSM is in the area.
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“The Bible does say clearly that man was created in his image (Genisis 1:27) so we know that God is not a flying spaghetti monster.”
May I direct you to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bare_assertion_fallacy
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Thanks for reminding me of what Missionary Zeal is.
In your honour, I shall place a couple of dozen stickers and some Pastafarian tracts inside Gideon bibles, and inside christian books in our local library.
I hope you feel better soon, and that you may either give up on Jesus, or learn to spell his name.
May your serve be al dente,
Pastor Fairy-Anne
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Congratulations. You first used crappy examples comparing things that have truckloads of evidence to back them up (gravity) to someones imaginary friend, used a work of fiction as evidence, and in the end provided a totally made up analogy of the world being a boat with no life boats (which by the way does not bode well for the intelligence of its designer).
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Oh, and, why are you sure that it’s not your god which has been made up? IMHO Religion is just a way of alieveating man kinds fear of the unknown – wheter it’s ligthning or death. If you get a bunch of nice stories to go with it (Bible, quaran, budhist books, our gospel), good for you.
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You have it bass-ackwards. Why should “God” be the FSM? We don’t accept that the “God” you refer to is even a valid concept, far less something that actually exists. We just worship the FSM as if it was a god, but without all that “God” stuff attached. Ramen!
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I love the cognitive dissonance here that comes from the assumption that FSM is real. 1) How can you believe in the FSM if he’s invisible!!! 2) Watch me make multiple arguments why you should believe in MY invisible god.
Swift.
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This website is too subtle for you. Go away.
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So let me get this straight. Starts with an awesome argument that the FSM couldn’t exist because he’s invisible. I can dig this logic.
Uh oh, his invisisble god is the real one. Oh well…
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If they people were pirates, they would survive and have no need for saviors.
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Do you realize the flaws in your argument? You’re using the bible to prove the bible. And how do you know God is not a Flying Spaghetti Monster? Just because your god book is older than ours, doesn’t mean it’s more accurate. Age does not prove accuracy. Atheists are not just atheists because they cannot see your deity, they are atheists because there is no proof of god. any god. Gravity was proven, god is still waiting. Well, actually, he’s not waiting, he doesn’t exist.
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When I first read this, there were no posted replies. At the moment I am too busy to write my own (other than this note), but I can hardly wait to see the other responses. I will say, however, that this is one of the nicest messages to appear in “Hate Mail (and concerned criticism)” area. Complete sentences, correct spelling and proper punctuation. Brilliant!
RAmen
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“Just because you can not see it (invisible) does not mean it is not there”
Sound Familiar?
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CD, why is your described method of creating a god valid for the xian god but not for any other? If god is invisible, how can you be sure he/she/it is NOT the FSM? Using the bible to prove the bible is not logic, it’s circular reasoning. Just because people believe in the bible and xianity doesn’t make it true. I’ll give you bonus points for spelling and grammar, but no points for logic. CD, if you read this, come join us on the forums. You seem very unlike most of the hate-spewing xians who post here, and I’m sure we could have some meaningful discussions, though you might want to prepare yourself to back up your arguments with something other than the bible.
RAmen
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“How can you know that God is a F.S.M. if he is invisible? If he is invisible how can you see him?”
You spend so much time professing that one is out of their mind to believe in something you cannot see, but I want to know how many times you have seen the god of the bible? You also go on to state that *his* fingerprints are all over the creation. Where is this evidence that is turning all these scientists into believers that you speak of? Once again, lots of babble with little substance, and definitely not one shred of evidence in your favor except “I’m right, you’re wrong….have faith in Christ.” The same old mindless drivel.
As for all of these so-called atheists becoming believers, that is a load of crap. If there are any, then they were simply agnostics pining for divinity in the first place, and not true atheists. I have never known one single atheist to change their mind overnight. I also want to point out to you that Mr. Flew did not convert to the religion of the bible, but believes more along the lines of “Deism”. The two are NOT the same and you people need to get that!
I also want to make you aware that I read “The Hidden Face of God”, which was the book that supposedly made him turn to deism, and while it was a decent read, it was nothing more than some scientist not being able to figure out the “why” behind existence, so he assumed the answer *must* be god. I wasn’t convinced and my atheism remains quite unchanged.
Finally, why don’t you try reading “Godless”, “Atheism Explained”, “Atheist Universe”, “God: The Failed Hypotheis”, “The Demon-Haunted World”, “God is Not Great”, or “The God Delusion”. I could name countless others, but the point is: there are just as many books that refute your “cases for Christ” and all of them contain more substance than your books will ever have.
May you soon be touched by His Noodly Appendage.
RAmen!
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I think I see the confusion here. You think the FSM isn’t your God. Clearly there is only one God, and He is Noodly.
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How can you know god is a human(oid)?
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Lol. I gave up my belief in gravity some time ago and have never been happier. Always felt like it was weighing me down:) CD you are an idiot but an amusing one. I would go through your entire letter picking holes but it would take too long.
RAmen
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@CD – I actually HAVE seen my brain on an MRI – pretty cool. Didn’t see any soul, though. It must be in a different part of my body that wasn’t on the MRI, possibly my left buttock.
Wait! Does that mean that people with no buttocks have no soul!?! If I step on a land mine and survive but I get my ass blown off, does that mean that my ass goes to heaven while the rest of me is stuck down here!?! I think you’re on to something here! I need to hang on to my ass like my life depends on it!
By the way, just because these little spurious arguments are enough to convince you to give up your life doesn’t mean that the rest of us are morons, too. You people are so damned TEDIOUS. I swear to FSM I want to poke my eyes out every time I see another one of these “helpful” little diatribes from buy bull thumping robots who want me to turn off my brain. Please go away.
Ramen
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If I go in for surgery and they cut me open (be it brain, heart, whatever) they will see all of my internal organs. They can search around my entire body as long as they want but they will never see a soul. Comparing a soul to an organ is like comparing David Blaine to Harry Potter.
The whole “boat going down” thing… idiotic. If all the people in the world were on a boat in the middle of an ocean they would all be killing each other over religion LONG before the boat started to sink, and even if it did sink I am sure a boat carrying everyone in the world would have at least one life raft.
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First, let me express my appreciation for a posting that is both coherent, spell-checked, and lacking expletives. You have decidedly earned a bit of respectability by acting like an intellectual, rather than a monkey throwing excrement.
Now, CD, it seems that you have thoroughly missed the purpose of the movement behind the FSM. You are very right in claiming that our god, the Flying Spaghetti Monster, is invisible; the only evidence we have of his divine existence is in the form of a recently-published (and available at bookstores worldwide or at Amazon.com) gospel, and the testimonies of some personal experiences.
If, instead of making the claim that our god is not “the” god, or not a god at all, you attacked the FSM by stating that we completely lack verifiable, non-psychologically induced, empirical evidence to support our claims, you would be in possession of a very strong case against our religion. The irony of this situation should be evident: you claim that our religion is false on the basis that yours is better, though you still fail to offer adequate tangible evidence. In fact, what you are making here, is the “Celestial Teapot” argument (search google or wikipedia for more). Again, it is ironic here because this is the exact same logic we’re demanding when dealing with christians who offer little evidence.
Believe me, please, when I tell you that I have given every opportunity to your religion and many others. I was, for a short time, a christian. I read the bible as a religious person, and I did read “the Case for Christ.” Unfortunately, I considered myself more intelligent than the rest of the people who came to my church, and found it quite insulting that some high-school-dropout who believed strongly enough was glorified as the pastor by this group of people, therefore giving him license to teach them (at the time including me) of morals, scripture, and purpose in life.
The experience soured me on religion, and I started looking for other stories. I read Sam Harris’s “the End of Faith”, Richard Dawkin’s “the God Delusion”, and a number of essays by Bertrand Russell, among many other texts about atheism. It didn’t take long for me to recognize that I have no idea about a god or afterlife, and neither does anyone else. My scientific mind would rather see the plain and mean truth (that there is no god and death is the end of a harsh existence) than live with some fantastically unbelievable but comforting lie (that a god exists who will welcome me when I die so I can live forever). Since my de-conversion, I’ve studied a great number of religions, for personal interest, as well as for academics. I’ve even managed to read your book, the bible, as a work of literature. Having removed the rosy-colored glasses, the “good book” looked a lot less appealing as a moral guide, as the basis of a religion, and as a work of fiction.
Truly, I applaud you for believing your religious principles enough to care about the “eternal souls of the lost” which congregate at this web site. Continue to follow your teachings, just as we will each continue to live our lives according to our own self-developed moral compasses. If we choose to believe, for even a fleeting moment, that perhaps a Flying Spaghetti Monster is watching over this world filled with too many violent and militaristic religious beliefs, can you really blame us?
-Josh Rrrr
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Just switch all occurences of the FSM for the Christian god and vice versa. No meaning is lost.
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Um, this one’s gotta be a joke. How do you start with “your god is invisible so you can’t know it’s there” and then move on to “how do you know you have a brain if you can’t see it?” That’s some crazy double standard reasoning to get to “my book is more betterer than your book at dictating which magic sky beast is real.”
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How can you know that God is __________ [fill the gap with your god] if he is invisible? If he is invisible how can you see him?
What is said on the Bible, in your books and amongst yourselves doesn’t change what the Gospel of the FSM and the real word of FSM says. FSM word is like gravity, just because people don’t believe in it doesn’t mean it’s not true and doesn’t mean there aren’t consequences to jumping off of a cliff. Someone can easily say “I don’t believe in gravity because I can’t see it, etc..because it’s an old belief….” but that doesn’t change the fact that it is there. This is like FSM laws for all of humanity.
Etc.
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“How can you know that God is a F.S.M. if he is invisible? If he is invisible how can you see him?”
and
“Gods word is like gravity, just because people don’t believe in it doesn’t mean it’s not true and doesn’t mean there aren’t consequences to jumping off of a cliff.”
are inherently contradictory, if you reject the idea that God can punish you (which I do with the Christian God, and you do for the FSM).
Therefore, your argument makes no sense.
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