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]]> By: Godlessblogger http://www.venganza.org/2009/04/04/good-fun-at-what-cost/#comment-877329 Godlessblogger Wed, 09 Sep 2009 17:26:57 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2009/04/04/good-fun-at-what-cost/#comment-877329 Nick, kindly go fuck yourself. Nick, kindly go fuck yourself.

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]]> By: dybydx http://www.venganza.org/2009/04/04/good-fun-at-what-cost/#comment-874889 dybydx Wed, 02 Sep 2009 13:19:52 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2009/04/04/good-fun-at-what-cost/#comment-874889 The problem Atheists have with proving their logical point about the existance of god is that the retort always comes with such an illogical statement of pseudo-facts that we are quite often dumbfounded by the blind stupidity being shown by our fellow humans. If I believed that 1+1 = 340 then I would be called stupid, but if enough people believed that 1+1 = 340 then the person calling the collective stupid would no doubtedly be called a trouble maker or indeed an idiot themselves. Just because a collective believes something is true doesnt necessarily mean that it is true. So in a case with numbers we see a certain misconsception of a natural system that is tangable. Let us take it onto a human written subject. Humans are prone to err. So in a text that was -TRANSLATED- whereupon ambiguous words could easily be taken the 'wrong' way are mistranslated, what type of fool must believe so blindly in such a text and not expectin the slightest to be thought of as an idiot. But of course this oh so wonderful text has clauses for us hard hearted logical thinkers which this marvellous god seems to despise. I did not think hate was such a divine attribute. I am not trying to tell you there isnt a god, I am just trying to show a clean logical argument for faith in a man made text. Interestingly enough, this faith based apon an ancient text is so stubborn and illogical that sects of it will forbid the use of condoms, despite one of the most devastating diseases in this world being transmitted by procreation. Logic will prevail. The problem Atheists have with proving their logical point about the existance of god is that the retort always comes with such an illogical statement of pseudo-facts that we are quite often dumbfounded by the blind stupidity being shown by our fellow humans.

If I believed that 1+1 = 340 then I would be called stupid, but if enough people believed that 1+1 = 340 then the person calling the collective stupid would no doubtedly be called a trouble maker or indeed an idiot themselves. Just because a collective believes something is true doesnt necessarily mean that it is true. So in a case with numbers we see a certain misconsception of a natural system that is tangable. Let us take it onto a human written subject. Humans are prone to err. So in a text that was -TRANSLATED- whereupon ambiguous words could easily be taken the ‘wrong’ way are mistranslated, what type of fool must believe so blindly in such a text and not expectin the slightest to be thought of as an idiot. But of course this oh so wonderful text has clauses for us hard hearted logical thinkers which this marvellous god seems to despise. I did not think hate was such a divine attribute. I am not trying to tell you there isnt a god, I am just trying to show a clean logical argument for faith in a man made text.

Interestingly enough, this faith based apon an ancient text is so stubborn and illogical that sects of it will forbid the use of condoms, despite one of the most devastating diseases in this world being transmitted by procreation.

Logic will prevail.

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]]> By: Izzy http://www.venganza.org/2009/04/04/good-fun-at-what-cost/#comment-874829 Izzy Wed, 02 Sep 2009 10:23:54 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2009/04/04/good-fun-at-what-cost/#comment-874829 If "god" is all knowing, he would see past our foolish ignorance he will send us all to heaven. If i remember correctly from a really boring chapel service "you must forgive everyone for their wrongful sins" implying that judging is not welcome in any religion due to that fact that judging would be considered as sinful, therefor making God a sinner of his own religion, therefor he should be punished by people not believing in his religion. By the way what date is "judgement day" Also the bible isnt what its cracked up to be. But its really fun to colour in. lol Rock on Flying Spag-Bog monster. Shame my Religion teacher doesnt allow me to do an assignment on the FSM. Where is the proof that god is real. then i might consider If “god” is all knowing, he would see past our foolish ignorance he will send us all to heaven. If i remember correctly from a really boring chapel service “you must forgive everyone for their wrongful sins” implying that judging is not welcome in any religion due to that fact that judging would be considered as sinful, therefor making God a sinner of his own religion, therefor he should be punished by people not believing in his religion.

By the way what date is “judgement day”
Also the bible isnt what its cracked up to be. But its really fun to colour in. lol

Rock on Flying Spag-Bog monster. Shame my Religion teacher doesnt allow me to do an assignment on the FSM.

Where is the proof that god is real. then i might consider

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]]> By: James http://www.venganza.org/2009/04/04/good-fun-at-what-cost/#comment-871975 James Thu, 27 Aug 2009 01:57:35 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2009/04/04/good-fun-at-what-cost/#comment-871975 zombie jesus judges you!!! zombie jesus judges you!!!

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]]> By: randi http://www.venganza.org/2009/04/04/good-fun-at-what-cost/#comment-871637 randi Wed, 26 Aug 2009 11:32:21 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2009/04/04/good-fun-at-what-cost/#comment-871637 Honestly, the people who run websites like this and support the flying spaghetti monster, do so as a parody, we dont honestly beleive a monster of noodles created life. It is making fun of all the people who believe in God, the one all knowing being that supposedly created everything there ever was. People running websites like this dont worry about that time at the pearly gates in front of god, because they dont beleive it will ever happen! THERE IS NO GOD! Honestly, the people who run websites like this and support the flying spaghetti monster, do so as a parody, we dont honestly beleive a monster of noodles created life. It is making fun of all the people who believe in God, the one all knowing being that supposedly created everything there ever was. People running websites like this dont worry about that time at the pearly gates in front of god, because they dont beleive it will ever happen! THERE IS NO GOD!

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]]> By: plumberbob http://www.venganza.org/2009/04/04/good-fun-at-what-cost/#comment-871397 plumberbob Tue, 25 Aug 2009 20:31:15 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2009/04/04/good-fun-at-what-cost/#comment-871397 @ 231 - theFewtheProudtheMarinara - , I'm only interested in the part written in Hebrew that I can read. The Greek part that was conveniently lost after Jerome translated it all into Latin, I've never been able to read. The original Hebrew was as political a document as any that has ever been written.. It's fun to translate, and separate the parts by various authors with their known political and economic positions. Of course there are inconsistencies; with different factions each writing their own versions, and an editor having to join four "sacred" documents none of which could be omitted. RAmen @ 231 – theFewtheProudtheMarinara – ,

I’m only interested in the part written in Hebrew that I can read. The Greek part that was conveniently lost after Jerome translated it all into Latin, I’ve never been able to read.

The original Hebrew was as political a document as any that has ever been written.. It’s fun to translate, and separate the parts by various authors with their known political and economic positions. Of course there are inconsistencies; with different factions each writing their own versions, and an editor having to join four “sacred” documents none of which could be omitted.

RAmen

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]]> By: plumberbob http://www.venganza.org/2009/04/04/good-fun-at-what-cost/#comment-871391 plumberbob Tue, 25 Aug 2009 20:13:16 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2009/04/04/good-fun-at-what-cost/#comment-871391 @ 230 - Michelle -, In my version, it's Exodus 23:19 that prohibits the cheese sandwich, and just two verses later where ,"...he will not pardon your transgressions...". That sounds pretty Gehenna-ish to me. How about that for irrelevant words taken out of context? Sorry, I've been the last few days with Dr Dembski's ID course literature from the seminary, as linked by Wench Nikkiee. The seminary students are getting academic credit for trolling and posting on our site, and I'm suggesting that Bobby charge them tuition for so using our college and the seminars we're teaching. RAmen @ 230 – Michelle -,

In my version, it’s Exodus 23:19 that prohibits the cheese sandwich, and just two verses later where ,”…he will not pardon your transgressions…”. That sounds pretty Gehenna-ish to me. How about that for irrelevant words taken out of context?

Sorry, I’ve been the last few days with Dr Dembski’s ID course literature from the seminary, as linked by Wench Nikkiee. The seminary students are getting academic credit for trolling and posting on our site, and I’m suggesting that Bobby charge them tuition for so using our college and the seminars we’re teaching.

RAmen

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]]> By: Rich C http://www.venganza.org/2009/04/04/good-fun-at-what-cost/#comment-871159 Rich C Tue, 25 Aug 2009 02:26:23 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2009/04/04/good-fun-at-what-cost/#comment-871159 The funny thing about the haters is that they don't understand that by not understanding they're actually proving Bobby's point. Nick, FSMism is just a way of showing that putting something in writing doesn't make it true, especially in regard to religion. I've read the Bible (and studied it in college). That's WHY I don't believe it. If you don't think the Bible's stories are stupid, you're not reading it correctly. The funny thing about the haters is that they don’t understand that by not understanding they’re actually proving Bobby’s point. Nick, FSMism is just a way of showing that putting something in writing doesn’t make it true, especially in regard to religion. I’ve read the Bible (and studied it in college). That’s WHY I don’t believe it. If you don’t think the Bible’s stories are stupid, you’re not reading it correctly.

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]]> By: plumberbob http://www.venganza.org/2009/04/04/good-fun-at-what-cost/#comment-867527 plumberbob Mon, 17 Aug 2009 19:56:17 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2009/04/04/good-fun-at-what-cost/#comment-867527 @ 230 - Michelle - , They made the effort to "Loot" the book from those of us who can read it; they mis-translated it; they still can't read it; they've used the mis-translation for two millenia to club us with it; they've abrogated all parts that might be difficult to follow; they added a codicil in another language that most of them can't read; they conveniently lost that codicil after Jerome translated the whole thing to Latin. Now's the time to begin to afflict the comfortable, because they have no idea what the book they keep thumping really says. They are shocked by the message of love in the last three chapters of Judges. There are known reasons why the authors and editor wrote as they did, but the men in black robes don't want the sheep to know about that information. RAmen @ 230 – Michelle – ,

They made the effort to “Loot” the book from those of us who can read it; they mis-translated it; they still can’t read it; they’ve used the mis-translation for two millenia to club us with it; they’ve abrogated all parts that might be difficult to follow; they added a codicil in another language that most of them can’t read; they conveniently lost that codicil after Jerome translated the whole thing to Latin.

Now’s the time to begin to afflict the comfortable, because they have no idea what the book they keep thumping really says. They are shocked by the message of love in the last three chapters of Judges. There are known reasons why the authors and editor wrote as they did, but the men in black robes don’t want the sheep to know about that information.

RAmen

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]]> By: Scott http://www.venganza.org/2009/04/04/good-fun-at-what-cost/#comment-867368 Scott Mon, 17 Aug 2009 09:28:18 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2009/04/04/good-fun-at-what-cost/#comment-867368 OHH, I get it guys! Nick is God in disguise! I mean who else could be so sure about all that, AND be literate, hmmm?. God sure does sound a tad bitter though... -RAmen OHH, I get it guys! Nick is God in disguise! I mean who else could be so sure about all that, AND be literate, hmmm?. God sure does sound a tad bitter though…

-RAmen

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]]> By: DavidH http://www.venganza.org/2009/04/04/good-fun-at-what-cost/#comment-867357 DavidH Mon, 17 Aug 2009 08:32:01 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2009/04/04/good-fun-at-what-cost/#comment-867357 @Jess #219 None shall be blessed but those who gain the maintop by the futtock shrouds. He who cometh unto the maintop by the lubbers' hole, shall be accursed and his bowels shall be devoured by meerkats. I can spout this shit all day. You think it's ridiculous; how do you think your stuff sounds to a rational person? The average guy thinks it's somehow worthy of respect because it's been around so long and because a whole lot of important-looking people in black robes keep on about it. Not so. Step right back and take a cool look - you'll realise how damn silly it all is. @Jess #219

None shall be blessed but those who gain the maintop by the futtock shrouds. He who cometh unto the maintop by the lubbers’ hole, shall be accursed and his bowels shall be devoured by meerkats.

I can spout this shit all day. You think it’s ridiculous; how do you think your stuff sounds to a rational person? The average guy thinks it’s somehow worthy of respect because it’s been around so long and because a whole lot of important-looking people in black robes keep on about it. Not so. Step right back and take a cool look – you’ll realise how damn silly it all is.

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]]> By: r4m3nzor http://www.venganza.org/2009/04/04/good-fun-at-what-cost/#comment-867204 r4m3nzor Sun, 16 Aug 2009 22:25:02 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2009/04/04/good-fun-at-what-cost/#comment-867204 I would throw god a beer. He and I would sit in front of the giant HD angel powered ( screw plasma!) T.V which he uses to watch the world and laugh his ass off with me. I would throw god a beer. He and I would sit in front of the giant HD angel powered ( screw plasma!) T.V which he uses to watch the world and laugh his ass off with me.

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]]> By: theFewtheProudtheMarinara http://www.venganza.org/2009/04/04/good-fun-at-what-cost/#comment-867022 theFewtheProudtheMarinara Sun, 16 Aug 2009 12:42:23 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2009/04/04/good-fun-at-what-cost/#comment-867022 Plumberbod (#223): now that you mention the ORIGINAL bible, isn't it odd that it didn't mention the resurrection of Jesus? I guess the early Christian church found decided later that their message needed a little punching up. Plumberbod (#223): now that you mention the ORIGINAL bible, isn’t it odd that it didn’t mention the resurrection of Jesus? I guess the early Christian church found decided later that their message needed a little punching up.

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]]> By: Michelle http://www.venganza.org/2009/04/04/good-fun-at-what-cost/#comment-866896 Michelle Sun, 16 Aug 2009 01:57:49 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2009/04/04/good-fun-at-what-cost/#comment-866896 Plumberbob - in reference to reply #1... You clearly have not undergone sufficient interfaith studies... remember, that if one is going to loot from somebody, it is only polite to really know what meaning they have ascribed to the object which has been dutifully transferred through rightful contract (e.g. they provide the object, you don't skewer them... arrgggghhhhh.....). Officially, after eating a ham and cheese sandwich, you only have to wash your clothes, and can't pray again until sundown (Lev 11). This, of course, is a fate worse than death for many people. Gehenna is for really bad behavior... like eating a ham and cheese sandwich on any bread other than rye. Which reminds me... Atsap Revol... are the FSM's balls pure beef, or a beef/pork mixture? How cheesy is he? Is the FSM kosher? Does the FSM change into matzah meal noodles during the appropriate time of the year? Plumberbob – in reference to reply #1…

You clearly have not undergone sufficient interfaith studies… remember, that if one is going to loot from somebody, it is only polite to really know what meaning they have ascribed to the object which has been dutifully transferred through rightful contract (e.g. they provide the object, you don’t skewer them… arrgggghhhhh…..).

Officially, after eating a ham and cheese sandwich, you only have to wash your clothes, and can’t pray again until sundown (Lev 11). This, of course, is a fate worse than death for many people.

Gehenna is for really bad behavior… like eating a ham and cheese sandwich on any bread other than rye.

Which reminds me… Atsap Revol… are the FSM’s balls pure beef, or a beef/pork mixture? How cheesy is he? Is the FSM kosher?

Does the FSM change into matzah meal noodles during the appropriate time of the year?

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]]> By: Princess Psycho http://www.venganza.org/2009/04/04/good-fun-at-what-cost/#comment-866721 Princess Psycho Sat, 15 Aug 2009 15:24:27 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2009/04/04/good-fun-at-what-cost/#comment-866721 Well I took your advice I was most disappointed there was no mention of Dinosaurs in it and no recipes for tasty dishes that have plenty of carbs in it, still I did find this passage really disturbing 2Kings 18:27 "But Rab-shakeh said unto them, Hath my master sent me to thy master, and to thee, to speak these words? hath he not sent me to the men which sit on the wall, that they may eat their own dung, and drink their own piss with you?" It sort of put me off reading the Bible... it did it's true. (Sticks out tongue) Well I took your advice I was most disappointed there was no mention of Dinosaurs in it and no recipes for tasty dishes that have plenty of carbs in it, still I did find this passage really disturbing 2Kings 18:27 “But Rab-shakeh said unto them, Hath my master sent me to thy master, and to thee, to speak these words? hath he not sent me to the men which sit on the wall, that they may eat their own dung, and drink their own piss with you?” It sort of put me off reading the Bible… it did it’s true. (Sticks out tongue)

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]]> By: Gwen http://www.venganza.org/2009/04/04/good-fun-at-what-cost/#comment-866647 Gwen Sat, 15 Aug 2009 08:21:35 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2009/04/04/good-fun-at-what-cost/#comment-866647 Wow. Gotta love how we're associated with traffic accidents, theft, lies and adultery just because we don't believe in your God, Nick. Anyways, to answer your questions: Yes, I do think of myself as a good person. I only lie if the truth hurts others, I don't steal, I don't commit adultery (I intend to save myself for marriage, actually. GASP. Atheists can do that!). If God decides to let atheists into heaven, I don't mean to be smug, but I do believe I've got a chance. Anyways, Nick, I find it odd to believe that if there is a God who loves all of us but he'll only give us a pleasant afterlife if we do as he says rather than if we're good people. Is it me or is that kindof stupid? "Everyone gets a chance at eternity, except y'all for not believing in me", regardless of how they act. Someone who made everyone miserable during his lifetine but followed the Ten Commandments goes to heaven while a doctor who saved hundreds but didn't believe in God goes to hell? Yeah, I find it hard to believe in that. I've thought about who I "base the fate and existence" of my soul on, actually. I had a Christian education until my eighth birthday. There's a fair amount of Biblical stuff I disagree on, and that's only what I remember from when I was six. If I picked up a Bible and read it, I'm quite sure I'd find more things I disagree on. Halelinguini, I've seen the light! I'll be sticking with His Noodliness! RAmen and may His Noodliness touch you and save your damned soul, Pastafarean Gwen Wow. Gotta love how we’re associated with traffic accidents, theft, lies and adultery just because we don’t believe in your God, Nick.

Anyways, to answer your questions:
Yes, I do think of myself as a good person. I only lie if the truth hurts others, I don’t steal, I don’t commit adultery (I intend to save myself for marriage, actually. GASP. Atheists can do that!). If God decides to let atheists into heaven, I don’t mean to be smug, but I do believe I’ve got a chance.

Anyways, Nick, I find it odd to believe that if there is a God who loves all of us but he’ll only give us a pleasant afterlife if we do as he says rather than if we’re good people. Is it me or is that kindof stupid? “Everyone gets a chance at eternity, except y’all for not believing in me”, regardless of how they act. Someone who made everyone miserable during his lifetine but followed the Ten Commandments goes to heaven while a doctor who saved hundreds but didn’t believe in God goes to hell? Yeah, I find it hard to believe in that.

I’ve thought about who I “base the fate and existence” of my soul on, actually. I had a Christian education until my eighth birthday. There’s a fair amount of Biblical stuff I disagree on, and that’s only what I remember from when I was six. If I picked up a Bible and read it, I’m quite sure I’d find more things I disagree on.
Halelinguini, I’ve seen the light! I’ll be sticking with His Noodliness!

RAmen and may His Noodliness touch you and save your damned soul,
Pastafarean Gwen

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]]> By: ET, the Extra Terrestrial http://www.venganza.org/2009/04/04/good-fun-at-what-cost/#comment-866545 ET, the Extra Terrestrial Sat, 15 Aug 2009 03:31:26 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2009/04/04/good-fun-at-what-cost/#comment-866545 @Jess #219 Jess, you really need to preface your points with things like "I firmly believe" and "in my opinion". Stating something as though it is a fact does not make it a fact. God didn't create anything, because god doesn't exist. See how I stated that as a fact? Can I prove it? No. Can you prove your statements above? No. When you are stating an opinion, don't pretend it's anything but an opinion. People who make statements like yours are offensive because they purport to know All The Answers, but not one of them has anything beyond their own belief. You go ahead and believe whatever you like, that's your right. But don't let me catch you trying to get that neolithic nonsense taught as fact in any school that my taxes pay for. @Jess #219
Jess, you really need to preface your points with things like “I firmly believe” and “in my opinion”. Stating something as though it is a fact does not make it a fact. God didn’t create anything, because god doesn’t exist. See how I stated that as a fact? Can I prove it? No. Can you prove your statements above? No. When you are stating an opinion, don’t pretend it’s anything but an opinion. People who make statements like yours are offensive because they purport to know All The Answers, but not one of them has anything beyond their own belief. You go ahead and believe whatever you like, that’s your right. But don’t let me catch you trying to get that neolithic nonsense taught as fact in any school that my taxes pay for.

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]]> By: Matrigan http://www.venganza.org/2009/04/04/good-fun-at-what-cost/#comment-866344 Matrigan Sat, 15 Aug 2009 00:16:07 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2009/04/04/good-fun-at-what-cost/#comment-866344 Scare tactics like yours may work on those with weaker will behind their beliefs, but not us. What kind of person would it make you if you just broke down to religion's attempt to scare you onto their side? Well, clearly these scare tactics have worked on you, Nick. Scare tactics like yours may work on those with weaker will behind their beliefs, but not us. What kind of person would it make you if you just broke down to religion’s attempt to scare you onto their side? Well, clearly these scare tactics have worked on you, Nick.

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]]> By: BlackBard http://www.venganza.org/2009/04/04/good-fun-at-what-cost/#comment-866221 BlackBard Fri, 14 Aug 2009 18:16:40 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2009/04/04/good-fun-at-what-cost/#comment-866221 @Jess #219 A very well articulated piece, even if it makes little sense. You said, "Compared to God’s standard...I am not a good person." "...when held up to God’s standards, I’ve totally failed! That’s why it’s so awesome Jesus died for my sins and made me righteous in the sight of God." Do you realize that there is no reason for you to compare yourself to "God's standard" (whatever you think that is) - that it would be absurd? Your god's standard is impossible because you are in a state of sin even before you are born, according to christian beliefs. In this sense, sin is not even a result of your "free will." It is inherent in being born a human. What nonsense! And then, because Jesus died before you were born, the sin you were born with is gone and somehow you are righteous (virtuous) when god sees you? This is totally contradictory, you know. Jess, I appreciate that you are entitled to your beliefs. I also appreciate that you did not come to our church's web site to attempt to lure us away from the Pastafarian Path to the beer volcano. I only hope that someday you will be touched by His Noodly Appendage and be bathed in the warmth of His Sauciness. RAmen @Jess #219

A very well articulated piece, even if it makes little sense. You said, “Compared to God’s standard…I am not a good person.” “…when held up to God’s standards, I’ve totally failed! That’s why it’s so awesome Jesus died for my sins and made me righteous in the sight of God.”

Do you realize that there is no reason for you to compare yourself to “God’s standard” (whatever you think that is) – that it would be absurd? Your god’s standard is impossible because you are in a state of sin even before you are born, according to christian beliefs. In this sense, sin is not even a result of your “free will.” It is inherent in being born a human. What nonsense!

And then, because Jesus died before you were born, the sin you were born with is gone and somehow you are righteous (virtuous) when god sees you? This is totally contradictory, you know.

Jess, I appreciate that you are entitled to your beliefs. I also appreciate that you did not come to our church’s web site to attempt to lure us away from the Pastafarian Path to the beer volcano. I only hope that someday you will be touched by His Noodly Appendage and be bathed in the warmth of His Sauciness.

RAmen

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