Comments on: Washington State Holiday display drama http://www.venganza.org/2008/12/16/viewpoint-discrimination/ Wed, 17 Mar 2010 12:53:06 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Matt E. http://www.venganza.org/2008/12/16/viewpoint-discrimination/#comment-770347 Matt E. Sat, 28 Mar 2009 06:17:41 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2008/12/16/viewpoint-discrimination/#comment-770347 "That girl has it all wrong about atheism being a religion." When the hell did she say that? “That girl has it all wrong about atheism being a religion.” When the hell did she say that?

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]]> By: Mygg1 http://www.venganza.org/2008/12/16/viewpoint-discrimination/#comment-730758 Mygg1 Mon, 02 Feb 2009 17:36:07 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2008/12/16/viewpoint-discrimination/#comment-730758 To # 79: I agree with you, but that's not what the woman (didn't catch her name) meant. She said it in the context of law, and as far as I understand American law (being from Norway, very little), atheism is considered a "religion", as to not discriminate atheists. The same thing has been done here in Norway, and it's to make things easier (instead of writing "religion or lack thereof" etc., you just interpret "religion" as "religion or lack thereof". I'm sure that's what the woman meant, but with O'Reilly screaming his usual ignorant bullshit, it didn't come out accurate enough. God I hate O'Reilly. His technique is; if you disagree, just talk louder than the other person. To # 79:

I agree with you, but that’s not what the woman (didn’t catch her name) meant. She said it in the context of law, and as far as I understand American law (being from Norway, very little), atheism is considered a “religion”, as to not discriminate atheists. The same thing has been done here in Norway, and it’s to make things easier (instead of writing “religion or lack thereof” etc., you just interpret “religion” as “religion or lack thereof”.

I’m sure that’s what the woman meant, but with O’Reilly screaming his usual ignorant bullshit, it didn’t come out accurate enough.

God I hate O’Reilly. His technique is; if you disagree, just talk louder than the other person.

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]]> By: Rickibird http://www.venganza.org/2008/12/16/viewpoint-discrimination/#comment-728967 Rickibird Thu, 29 Jan 2009 22:59:46 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2008/12/16/viewpoint-discrimination/#comment-728967 "Atheism is a religion" - Just because the US courts declare that does not make it true. It makes the ruling wrong. The rest of the planet laughs at such a ruling and this is the kind of thing (Like the push for ID) which embarrasses the US internationally. I believe that baseball caps have peaks. Is there a religion for that belief too? “Atheism is a religion” – Just because the US courts declare that does not make it true. It makes the ruling wrong.

The rest of the planet laughs at such a ruling and this is the kind of thing (Like the push for ID) which embarrasses the US internationally.

I believe that baseball caps have peaks. Is there a religion for that belief too?

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]]> By: greg http://www.venganza.org/2008/12/16/viewpoint-discrimination/#comment-722680 greg Mon, 19 Jan 2009 01:07:32 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2008/12/16/viewpoint-discrimination/#comment-722680 Yes I love orielly he is bomb. Standing up for us. sorta Yes I love orielly he is bomb. Standing up for us. sorta

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]]> By: Seren http://www.venganza.org/2008/12/16/viewpoint-discrimination/#comment-722427 Seren Sun, 18 Jan 2009 11:23:14 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2008/12/16/viewpoint-discrimination/#comment-722427 Discusses? Hmmm methinks the title of the vid is also wrong (in addition to Bill), that wasn't very discussiony (^_~) Go Megyn You are wrong Bill - you are wrong! Discusses?
Hmmm methinks the title of the vid is also wrong (in addition to Bill), that wasn’t very discussiony (^_~)
Go Megyn
You are wrong Bill – you are wrong!

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]]> By: Robbo http://www.venganza.org/2008/12/16/viewpoint-discrimination/#comment-721217 Robbo Fri, 16 Jan 2009 03:36:37 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2008/12/16/viewpoint-discrimination/#comment-721217 Pastafarians are not atheists. We believe in the true deity (the Flying Spaghetti Monster) who created all things. We have as much right to our beliefs as any other religion. Pastafarians are not atheists. We believe in the true deity (the Flying Spaghetti Monster) who created all things. We have as much right to our beliefs as any other religion.

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]]> By: Perna de Pau http://www.venganza.org/2008/12/16/viewpoint-discrimination/#comment-720913 Perna de Pau Thu, 15 Jan 2009 16:24:07 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2008/12/16/viewpoint-discrimination/#comment-720913 Atheism is as much a religion as "bald" is a haircut, "barefoot" is a type of shoes or not having a hobby is a hobby. Atheism is not a belief either, it is a lack of belief: not beleving that there is a god is not the same as believing that there is none. I consider myself an atheist and my position is: there is not enough evidence for me to believe that there is a god (whichever god). I take the same position whether it is god, santa claus, the tooth fairy or the Loch Ness monster and not believing in the tooth fairy is neither a belief nor a religion. But I believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster (of course) Atheism is as much a religion as “bald” is a haircut, “barefoot” is a type of shoes or not having a hobby is a hobby. Atheism is not a belief either, it is a lack of belief: not beleving that there is a god is not the same as believing that there is none.

I consider myself an atheist and my position is: there is not enough evidence for me to believe that there is a god (whichever god). I take the same position whether it is god, santa claus, the tooth fairy or the Loch Ness monster and not believing in the tooth fairy is neither a belief nor a religion.

But I believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster (of course)

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]]> By: Jake http://www.venganza.org/2008/12/16/viewpoint-discrimination/#comment-719371 Jake Mon, 12 Jan 2009 15:00:24 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2008/12/16/viewpoint-discrimination/#comment-719371 Atheism in the eye of the government is a religion so that people who are atheist are not discriminated against or like catcholics (much to my dismay) cant be rounded up and killed. Atheism in the eye of the government is a religion so that people who are atheist are not discriminated against or like catcholics (much to my dismay) cant be rounded up and killed.

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]]> By: Jake http://www.venganza.org/2008/12/16/viewpoint-discrimination/#comment-719369 Jake Mon, 12 Jan 2009 14:56:30 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2008/12/16/viewpoint-discrimination/#comment-719369 It is called a religion so that atheists cant be rounded up and slaughtered just like Catholics (much to my dismay) can't be because of what their religion is. It is called a religion so that atheists cant be rounded up and slaughtered just like Catholics (much to my dismay) can’t be because of what their religion is.

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]]> By: capt'n Igloo http://www.venganza.org/2008/12/16/viewpoint-discrimination/#comment-717675 capt'n Igloo Fri, 09 Jan 2009 22:54:37 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2008/12/16/viewpoint-discrimination/#comment-717675 Technically speaking, atheism is indeed a religion, or at the very least a religious belief. It is the belief that there is no god, and this belief cannot be proved or disproved by either empirical data or logical reasoning. Agnosticism, now, THAT is not a religious belief. Agnosticism states that the truth about the existence or non-existence of god cannot be known. This statement can be proven by logical argument (it also has empirical data to back it up - i.e. there are many observed instances of unproved religious beliefs). The whole idea behind the Letter to the Kansas School Board, by the way, seems closer to agnosticism than to atheism. I was an agnostic myself for many years, but in a darlky emotional period I backslid into atheism. A shame, but what can you do? hmmm... Become a pastafarian, maybe? RAmen! Technically speaking, atheism is indeed a religion, or at the very least a religious belief. It is the belief that there is no god, and this belief cannot be proved or disproved by either empirical data or logical reasoning.
Agnosticism, now, THAT is not a religious belief. Agnosticism states that the truth about the existence or non-existence of god cannot be known. This statement can be proven by logical argument (it also has empirical data to back it up – i.e. there are many observed instances of unproved religious beliefs).
The whole idea behind the Letter to the Kansas School Board, by the way, seems closer to agnosticism than to atheism.

I was an agnostic myself for many years, but in a darlky emotional period I backslid into atheism. A shame, but what can you do?
hmmm… Become a pastafarian, maybe?

RAmen!

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]]> By: Maldark http://www.venganza.org/2008/12/16/viewpoint-discrimination/#comment-717057 Maldark Thu, 08 Jan 2009 14:50:16 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2008/12/16/viewpoint-discrimination/#comment-717057 I await the day Bill O'Reilly gets a Darwin award. I await the day Bill O’Reilly gets a Darwin award.

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]]> By: Kristen Hua http://www.venganza.org/2008/12/16/viewpoint-discrimination/#comment-716741 Kristen Hua Wed, 07 Jan 2009 20:25:50 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2008/12/16/viewpoint-discrimination/#comment-716741 Poor Megyn Kelly. While her argument is correct and legally based, having a rational discussion with Bill O'Reilly on anything is like arguing with a rock. Pointless. Glad to see she didn't back down though. Poor Megyn Kelly. While her argument is correct and legally based, having a rational discussion with Bill O’Reilly on anything is like arguing with a rock. Pointless.

Glad to see she didn’t back down though.

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]]> By: Nicole http://www.venganza.org/2008/12/16/viewpoint-discrimination/#comment-714749 Nicole Sat, 03 Jan 2009 19:44:49 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2008/12/16/viewpoint-discrimination/#comment-714749 I now adore that Megyn Kelly. Yay for holding your ground! I would shoot myself if I were employed by Fox news though. Or at least I couldn't help myself from jumping across the table at him. x.x; I now adore that Megyn Kelly. Yay for holding your ground! I would shoot myself if I were employed by Fox news though. Or at least I couldn’t help myself from jumping across the table at him. x.x;

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]]> By: senyor bob http://www.venganza.org/2008/12/16/viewpoint-discrimination/#comment-713661 senyor bob Wed, 31 Dec 2008 18:22:15 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2008/12/16/viewpoint-discrimination/#comment-713661 the guy loosing his hair is wrong the guy loosing his hair is wrong

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]]> By: Raven http://www.venganza.org/2008/12/16/viewpoint-discrimination/#comment-712083 Raven Sat, 27 Dec 2008 22:48:17 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2008/12/16/viewpoint-discrimination/#comment-712083 Woooo! Go Kelly. I am so glad she didn't let Bill get away with the BS he was spouting. I adore this clip. The last few seconds of it make it just that much more wonderful. Woooo! Go Kelly. I am so glad she didn’t let Bill get away with the BS he was spouting. I adore this clip. The last few seconds of it make it just that much more wonderful.

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]]> By: Insightful Ape http://www.venganza.org/2008/12/16/viewpoint-discrimination/#comment-711880 Insightful Ape Sat, 27 Dec 2008 13:31:41 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2008/12/16/viewpoint-discrimination/#comment-711880 Nigetron: you are dead wrong. To say "you can't disprove God" is exactly putting God in the same position as Apollo, Zeus, Thor, and scores of other deities that no one takes seriously. And the atheist sign is not hateful-it does not suggest or condone violence. It is simply dissent, and as such it is protected speech. Atheism is not a religion. It is, however, a viewpoint on religion, which can be presented along others. Nigetron: you are dead wrong. To say “you can’t disprove God” is exactly putting God in the same position as Apollo, Zeus, Thor, and scores of other deities that no one takes seriously.
And the atheist sign is not hateful-it does not suggest or condone violence. It is simply dissent, and as such it is protected speech.
Atheism is not a religion. It is, however, a viewpoint on religion, which can be presented along others.

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]]> By: Dr Plaid http://www.venganza.org/2008/12/16/viewpoint-discrimination/#comment-710733 Dr Plaid Thu, 25 Dec 2008 18:16:32 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2008/12/16/viewpoint-discrimination/#comment-710733 I generally agree with Cape Buffalo on this one. I tend to agree with O'Reilly on fisical issues and 'common sense' stuff, but on this he is a winey little bitch. "Whaaa, I want my Christmas just the way I like it." "Whaaa, The atheist put up a sign that I don't like."" Whaaa, everybody owes me a 'Merry Christmas'." (Nod to Artie Lange) Shut up Bill, you sound like a baby! I generally agree with Cape Buffalo on this one. I tend to agree with O’Reilly on fisical issues and ‘common sense’ stuff, but on this he is a winey little bitch.

“Whaaa, I want my Christmas just the way I like it.” “Whaaa, The atheist put up a sign that I don’t like.”" Whaaa, everybody owes me a ‘Merry Christmas’.” (Nod to Artie Lange)

Shut up Bill, you sound like a baby!

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]]> By: Julian G. http://www.venganza.org/2008/12/16/viewpoint-discrimination/#comment-710641 Julian G. Thu, 25 Dec 2008 14:49:17 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2008/12/16/viewpoint-discrimination/#comment-710641 That girl has it all wrong about atheism being a religion. Pastafarianism is a relifion, atheism is a lack of religion That girl has it all wrong about atheism being a religion. Pastafarianism is a relifion, atheism is a lack of religion

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]]> By: TheFewTheProudTheMarinara http://www.venganza.org/2008/12/16/viewpoint-discrimination/#comment-710581 TheFewTheProudTheMarinara Thu, 25 Dec 2008 12:57:27 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2008/12/16/viewpoint-discrimination/#comment-710581 Gee - 88% of Fox Spews viewers don't believe in free speech for atheists. Knock me over with a feather - 88% of them probably don't want free speech for Democrats. Gee – 88% of Fox Spews viewers don’t believe in free speech for atheists. Knock me over with a feather – 88% of them probably don’t want free speech for Democrats.

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]]> By: Daniel http://www.venganza.org/2008/12/16/viewpoint-discrimination/#comment-710111 Daniel Wed, 24 Dec 2008 21:15:23 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2008/12/16/viewpoint-discrimination/#comment-710111 I will agree with bill on one thing: "atheism is not a religion" That's pretty much be an oxymoron, and to label atheism as a religion would mean we'd have to keep atheism out of the government, which would mean the government wouldn't be allowed to consider empirical evidence. I will agree with bill on one thing: “atheism is not a religion”

That’s pretty much be an oxymoron, and to label atheism as a religion would mean we’d have to keep atheism out of the government, which would mean the government wouldn’t be allowed to consider empirical evidence.

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