I would love little more than to beat the ever living tar out of each and every one of you. However, Jesus says i shouldn’t, because it is wrong. Jesus says for us to control our sinful impulses and be nice people. I want to be a nice person, and whenever im not as nice as i could be i say to myself,the greatest glory is not in never failing but in rising each time you fall. That, i believe, is the fundamental difference between atheist and Christians. Atheists say evil is just our primal nature. Christians say evil is both wrong and controllable. May the LORD Jesus rule over God’s people forever Amen.
-Squiggledorf
I would love to beat the living tar out of each and every one of you
Published by Bobby Henderson November 18th, 2008 in Hate Mail (and concerned criticism). 395 Comments
395 Responses to “I would love to beat the living tar out of each and every one of you”
Squiggledorf,
In regards to your voiced desire to cause us physical harm, I paraphrase the words of the “great” 21st century “thinker” G. W. Bush: Bring it on.
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Maybe if your god ruled over you a little more, these violent thoughts would not bother you.
Of course, I become peaceful and lazy when eating too much spaghetti.
Ramen!
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“Atheists say evil is just our primal nature. ”
Actually, atheists say the world isn’t as clear-cut black and white as you xians think it is.
… and your name doesn’t allow me to take this message seriously.
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isn’t not beating atheists up because of jesus make you an evil person?
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It’s intresting to see that you believe us to embrace ‘evil as our primal nature.’ Honestly, I’m not exactly sure how you got that idea. We’re certainly not the ones throwing ourselves into Holy wars that last for hundred of years, and we’re certainly not the ones that inflict pain upon ourselves and others in an attempt to purify. Might want to look into some of the things done to the people who disagreed with the Church, and tell me again we’re the ones commiting ‘evil’.
RAmen and may his noodly appendage touch you.
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“Atheists say evil is just our primal nature. Christians say evil is both wrong and controllable.” WTF? So Atheists think evil is not wrong nor controllable? Really?
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Hi Squiggledorf. Thank you for your kind words, and managing not to beat the living tar out of us. Believe it or not even though I am an atheist I have no desire to harm you or your fellow Christians. The fundamental difference between this atheist and you is that I control myself and vicious sod that you are, you need a threat of damnation to control yourself. I am better than you.
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Hi Squiggledorf. Thank you for your kind words, and managing not to beat the living tar out of us. Believe it or not even though I am an atheist I have no desire to harm you or your fellow Christians. The fundamental difference between this atheist and you is that I control myself and vicious sod that you are, you need a threat of damnation to control yourself. I am better than you.
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Wow – another “christian” showin’ the love!
Squiggldorf – your line that “the greatest glory is not in never failing but in rising each time you fall” is a little scary. I feel you may use it as an option to act out on your desire to “beat the tar” out of someone simply because their belief is different than yours, then “repent” and ask god/jesus for forgivness for sinning. How convenient! I, on the other hand, being an athiest/Pastafarian, would never, ever beat the tar out of you, or anyone else. IT-IS-WRONG!!! Period. I know that without having a god to threaten me with eternal damnation for sinning, or the VERY flawed “reasoning” that I can commit any sin I wish, claim remorse and ask/pray for forgivness, and be absolved of my sin and still go to heaven.
May you one day be touched by his noodley appendage.
RAmen.
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Want my address asshole?
…and the fundamental (notice the word mental in there?) difference between atheists and Xtians is atheists demand evidence before accepting anything be truth, and Xtians or any other religious followers (pick one) gobble up dogma like bums at a free spaghetti supper. Now run along and play and if you ever get the notion to think for yourself, try picking up an encyclopedia.
…dorf seems appropriate.
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Legend Of the Red Dragon?
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Strawman. I don’t know any atheists who say that “evil is just our primal nature.” In fact, I think most atheists would say, “Hey look! I can be good simply because it is the right thing to do, not just because I’m bribed with heaven or threatened with hell, and certainly not just because my invisible friend tells me to.”
p.s. Squiggledorf. I like your name.
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Oh dear, oh dear…
Why are you moaning about Atheist’s? We believe in his Holy Noodliness the Flying Spaghetti Monster – belief in a God does an Atheist not make.
There are also a couple of things you omit from your post…
Atheists do say that evil is just our primal nature – but you don’t say that Athesits then add that it is wrong and needs to be controlled.
If your God made us then he gave us this primal nature, that was a bit of a stupid thing to do then wasn’t it?
How many Wars have been held in the name of Atheism of The Flying Spaghetti Monster? None. How many Atheistic Terrorist have you seen bombing people on the news? How many time have you seen Atheistic S
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I don’t know if my comment made it here first time – my laptop crashed – probably his Holy Noodliness’s way of chilling me out.
First up in answer to your ridiculous nonsense, we have a God and he’s better than yours so where all this “Athesim” is coming from I am a little unsure?
Secondly you don’t mention that although Atheists think that evil is just primal nature they also think that it needs to be controlled is a bad thing. If your God made us then he also made our Primal Nature and therefore it’s his fault that you want to “beat the living Tar” out of us…what a nice God – gives you a Primal, nasty, evil nature and then expects you to not use it!
Something for you to think about…
How many wars have been declared in the name of Atheism, how many terrorists have bombed people in the name of Atheism abd how many incidents have there been of Sectarian violence between Atheists (or for that matter between us of the Church of the FSM)?
Your God is nasty and if he does exist then he is a disgrace to all Gos out there. Our God is much better, convert now and you’ll enjoy the Beer Volcano and the Stripper Factory…
Laters you sad muppet!
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…and? I have quite a bit of experience with people like yourself, and none of those people have ever given a shit about what I think, so why should I give a shit what you think?
The door’s over there. Leave now, please, or i’ll show you evil. ;)
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Squiggledorf?
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“I would love little more than to beat the ever living tar out of each and every one of you.” Hhha! What a nice fellow, isn’t he? :)
anyway, this explains why clever people are reasoning against removing all religions: what would then control the mob of such moral heroes?
RAmen, brothers! The Rrrapture is near! Yarrr!
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>However, Jesus says i shouldn’t, because it is wrong.
Did you really need to hear it from Jesus to understand beating the living tar out of people is wrong? I worked it out all by myself. It wasn’t really hard either. . .
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I think the primary difference is probably that Atheists don’t believe in god where as Christians do.
>_>
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Ahh yes. Nothing like beating the “living tar” out of people for not having the same beliefs.
Heil Hitler to you too!
;-)
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Ahh, someone needs a hug… Poor baby… Does he feel unloved? Well you certainly came to the right place, everyone one is welcome – even unbelievers…. Now lie down and relax and think of meadows of beautiful flowers – calm breezes – peaceful surroundings – there isn’t that so much better than all that hate.
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You seem to forget that pride is as great a sin as any. Your holier than thou piety will most assuredly cast you down among the greatest of sinners. And there you shall dwell. Bereft of both pasta AND sauce for all time.
RAmen
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I know for a fact that as an Atheist I have never said nor do I believe that evil is “just our primal nature”. I just don’t believe in God. That doesn’t mean I think everyone is evil, nor am I evil. I do nice things for others because I like to, not because I’m trying to get a ticket to heaven. THAT is the fundamental difference.
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Good and evil is only an illusion that we humans create. Things just happen in the universe and have no ‘good’ or ‘evil’ assigned to it. We choose what is right and wrong based upon our interactions with other human beings and what is good for the species overall. The thing is with christians is that they think there is some external existing force. They then think they can ‘deem’ what is evil is and then set out to destroy it. There is nothing ‘evil’ about this site or atheists, and no one on this site deserves any ass beatings. Oh, but please….do try, I beg you.
RAmen
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Wow, what a self contradictory buffoon. It always amazes me that the only thing holding back a Christian like this from violence and harm is the thinly veiled lie of a super sky daddy that is looking over his shoulder.
Then he says that Atheists are the ones who say we are inherently evil? WTF? Looks like its a Christian who is saying this and that only his invisible friend is holding him back.
Hey, squiggle, why arent we all in jail? How come the hundreds of millions of us arent beating down doors and causing personal harm? Who are the ones we see day in and day out causing harm and terrorism, both here in the US and abroad. Hint, its not people who believe the only humans are responsible for their actions and reactions.
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Wait a second, wait a second–evil is WRONG ?!??!? I don’t get it–evil seems so… so… so primal.
Boy, if I wanted to beat the tar out of someone, well I’d just do it. I mean, with no God out there to tell me what to do, why, I’m just a lost little lamb (with brass knuckles) ready to follow whatever influences might come along.
That “thou shalt not kill” thing in the 10 Commandments–genius! It obviously took a deity to think of something like that. Mortals surely could never have come up with anything like that on their own. I’ll bet none of the other religions or societies in the world have anything like it!
And that part about “don’t covet your neighbor’s stuff”–that’s just great…wait a second, isn’t coveting your neighbor’s stuff what drives capitalism?
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Dear Squiggledorf,
It is nice of you to stop by, I am sure it will help the cause of interfaith dialogue. Your “impulses”(as you call them), though, do not seem to be healthy, and I suggest that you call 911 and turn yourself in immediately, as you may be a danger to yourself and others.
PS: So are you telling us that the crusades, the inquisition, the holocaust, and the actions of conquistadors were all “controllable”? Jeez, I wonder what they would be like if they were uncontrollable, as you seem to be.
His Noodliness the Flying Spaghetti Monster doesn’t need me to wish him glory because, unlike your god, he has all the glory he will ever need already.
Ramen
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If your greatest glory is not in never failing, but in rising each time you fail, then you must be out to achieve failure. Well, um… good luck in your endeavor.
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Well, there’s the difference right there. We evil atheists and pastafarians usually don’t even *want* to beat the “living tar” out of you, so there’s no imaginary warden needed for us to control our impulses.
You do see the difference, don’t you?
Cheers,
~Easy
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Thats whats great about being an atheist. I have no reason not to beat the “tar” out of religious fanatics and humanity hating zealots. I just can’t seem to find any of you idiots. You would think it would be easy considering how many of you there are. I live in So. Cal., look me up when you are in the neighboorhood. I would love to meet you.
Sean
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Oh yes, I see how succesful christians are at controlling violence and evil thoughts.
By the way, I Uruguay the congress passed a law authorizing abortions. The president vetoed the law sayng ‘as a christian, I can’t accept this’. Once again, christians legislate based on their personal conception.
I’m sick of them
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HMMMM?
So, why is it again that you feel compelled to”beat the living tar out of each and everyone” of us? Is it the atheist thing, the evil thing, or the don’t beileve in God thing. Please elaborate.
If it’s the evil thing, well; what did you say,”I want to be a nice person, and whenever I’m not as nice as i could be…” weellll. Isn’t that you not being able to control your emotions, giving in to your primal nature? Atheists and most christians recognize that even feeling evil is part of your nature, being HUMAN means you have the option to control it. The FSM said he would prefer that we be nice to each other. So once again, what’s the big problem?
RAmen!
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Atheists believe in morality and living a decent life and helping others more than most christians, you self-righteous asshole!
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Atheists believe in morality and living a decent life and helping others more than most christians, you self-righteous prick!
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How does a B-thumper / G-squadder know ANYTHING about me?
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All I can say is wow. So it sounds like to me that your basicly a good person because your afraid of a imaginary friend would not like it if your bad. And I am a good person because I CHOOSE to be. Good luck with that!
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The fundamental difference between atheists and christians are that atheists don’t believe in a god(s) while christians do (christ), thats what we are freakin named after. You’ll be happy to know that I’m not going around killing people just because I’m an athiest, but I find it unsettling that the only thing keeping you from doing likewise is the “words” of a guy whos very existance is debatable. By the way, that quote of yours, “the greatest glory is not in never failing but in rising each time you fall”, that was by Confucius, who was also debatably an “evil atheist”.
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Jesus is dead.
How can he rule if he’s dead?
Am I missing some important statement in the Bible that says “Zombies are watching you”?
Also.
THIS
IS
A
JOKE
RELIGION. We mean no offense to you Christians, but if attacked we will attack back. If you don’t like something, why go to it? Do you believe you can change our views?
No offense…
But that’s kinda stupid.
RAmen.
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“I would love little more than to beat the ever living tar out of each and every one of you.”
Yeah it does appear that christians really are kind-hearted gentle souls.
“Atheists say evil is just our primal nature.”
In a way, yes they do.
“Christians say evil is both wrong and controllable.”
And in what way does this mean atheists cannot believe this as well, there is no contradiction as you would have it appear. Because something is primal nature neither makes it right nor uncontrollable. In fact the fact it is in our primal nature yet we manage to control evil surely makes atheists all the more morally right, surely it is better to do something for the goodness of the action rather than the fact that maybe one day you’ll get burnt in hell if you don’t do it.
“May the LORD Jesus rule over God’s people forever Amen.”
He’s welcome to God’s people, just try not to interfere in my life while your reading your fictional books in the hope they have the ‘answers’.
All praise to FSM.
May ye be touched by his noodley appendage. RAmen.
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Atheists don’t say evil is just our primal nature. Atheists say that evil is when ignorance prevail. You should think about that.
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Kid: Mommy,I talked to this Christain dude and every time he said lord he screamed it out, even if he was in mid-sentence.
Mother:*Sigh* Its about time you and I had a talk about them, then.
*After the conversation*
Kid: Wow mommy, I thought weird people like that only existed in the olden days when people lived in caves.
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It’s sad; your religion is supposed to teach tolerance, and yet…
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Umm…what atheists say that?
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Dear Squiggledorf:
People don’t have living tar inside of them.
Sincerely,
Meisha
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Another day, but same Christian sh*t…
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So, he is only under control because he fears punishment from his god? What a joke. Alot of people that don’t believe in god(s) are nice too, but because it pleases them to be nice.
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Aaaahhhh come on. A bit of playful fisticuffs wouldn’t go amiss. No rabbit punches though.
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Why would you want to beat us up? First of all, not all of us are atheists. There are people here that belong to many different religions, in addition to the atheists you so despise. Secondly, most atheists I know, including some of my family members and dear friends, are good people that know right from wrong, and don’t have the desire to beat up those with differing religious views. (As a side note, most religious folk I know are also good people that know right from wrong and don’t have the desire to beat up those with differing views, but that may be because I am careful in deciding who I associate with.)
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I’ve only started here recently, so I’m not entirely sure what I’m reading… Is this a joke? No offense if it’s not. I’m just gonna post some thoughts, not necessarily directed at you, Squiggledorf. (Except the first paragraph.)
Jesus does tell us to control our “sinful impulses”, but doesn’t the Bible also teach that it’s what’s “in our heart” that matters? Whether you sin out loud or not, can’t God still “see into your heart”? So… God can see your desire and probably disapproves of you wanting to “beat the living tar out of each and every one of” us, HIS children. (Jesus would recommend that you “love your enemy”, to think kind thoughts about them until you TRULY love them. …..On the other hand, Jesus also tells us that we have to sell everything we own and abandon our families to follow him… But that’s okay, you can just ignore that part of the Bible.) Or does God say it’s okay to feel whatever the hell you wanna feel, as long as you don’t act on it? Come to think of it, it’s probably both. What am I doing using Bible examples? The Bible contradicts itself a thousand times, and can therefore be used to justify ANYTHING, no matter how evil or good… What I SHOULD be addressing are your assumptions about atheists vs Christians.
I’m an atheist and I CERTAINLY don’t think “evil is our primal nature”. Here’s why:
I’ll discuss “evil” first.
First of all, “evil” is a harsh word. It’s also a word I don’t believe in. I’ve always understood it to describe a badness that originates from a mythological demonic source. “BAD” definitely exists, we’ve all seen BAD, but to me, “EVIL” is nothing more than “BAD” with a superstitious twist.
Second, we all know that the things we consider “good and bad” change throughout the ages, no matter how religious you are. Shifting moral zeitgeist. What was considered “good” in the dark ages might be considered “bad” today. Or, based on geography, what’s considered “bad” in America might not be “bad” in tribal Africa, and vice-versa. We can even see differing opinions between neighbours! My neighbour may think eating meat is bad, but I may completely disagree.
So, which is it? Who is right? It would be impossible to decide, without first assuming that there is a definitive answer to right and wrong. (But “holy scripture tells us what’s right and wrong!” ….Which holy scripture? Yours? Why is yours the correct one, out of all the thousands to choose from? Because your parents told you so? Because you were born into it? Lucky you! But how would an atheist choose? None of the books are convincing. None of them match each other. They don’t even match within themselves. Clearly not the words of God… The true words of a god would be unflappable, unquestionable, they would be realistic and unchanging. Every holy book would match… but they don’t. What does that tell us? That AS LITTLE AS 99.999% of holy scripture is phony, written by humans and advertised as divine… And if you compare them to each other they will show that morals in the REAL world aren’t always so black & white.)
I think it’s a serious mistake to set ANY values in stone and stuff your ears with cotton, not letting any further pieces of information “contaminate your beliefs”. If you do this, the world around you will continue to change anyway, as history has shown, and you and your outdated morals will be left behind. We’ve seen it a million times; Religions appear and spiritually enslave their followers, they discourage knowledge, they suppress bright ideas and even execute the people who think of them, in order to maintain their power over the general population. Time passes and the religion loses its power, maybe it disappears entirely, and it’s eventually revealed that those “scary” ideas that people were executed for are actually correct, and those ideas end up becoming common knowledge. If it weren’t for the thousands of years of religious oppression that this world has seen, imagine the progress we could have made, and where our species might be today… Willful ignorance is never a good thing.
Religion aside, assuming there’s no god, then there is no absolute definition of right and wrong. Reality reflects this. It’s normal for different cultures and epochs and individuals to disagree on right and wrong, because morals and values are decided by society and by the individuals themselves, selected because of experience, research, and trial and error. Morals could not be given to us by an all-powerful creator, because if that were the case, if morality was truly divine and absolute, it would NEVER change and there would be no question about what’s right and what’s wrong, and logically all humans would automatically be born with matching values. (Satan causing chaos is a great cop-out response to this, as is the “He works in mysterious ways” argument, but to me that all just sounds like grasping at straws.)
Now onto the question of “primal nature”.
The question still remains, do I, an atheist, think that “badness is our primal nature”? No, not at all!! First of all, how can good or bad be in our primal nature, when our ideas of “good and bad” change every 50 years? Second, it would be ridiculous to say that newborn babies, who have never had a taste of the outside world, could somehow be either “good” or “bad”. They’re neither; they’re just a blank slate. They’re born with automatic human responses, sure, like survival instincts and stuff like that, but as for specific opinions about abortion or gay marriage or war or stem cell research, or other such morals we argue about nowadays, well… Those babies have to grow up and learn what the issue is first, and only then can they form an opinion.
Also, I, an atheist, certainly agree with you Christians that “evil[/bad] is both wrong and controllable”. Most atheists would agree. This is not a difference between us. It is a similarity. Contrary to popular belief, atheists actually don’t steal babies and eat them in the middle of the night. We’re actually a very kind, concerned people. Possibly a little smug, but I think you’d be surprised that morally, we have more in common than you’ve been made to believe. We, too, think murder and theft are bad, and generosity and compassion are good. Not because an imaginary god made us think that way, but because “do unto others as they would do unto you” is just plain good advice. There are also biological reasons for certain values that we all share. I won’t go into that here, but a little research will explain it just fine.
Based on a realistic viewpoint of morality (more nurture, less religious nature), atheists are definitely moral people. We take care of this world and each other, because we’re convinced that this is the only life we’re ever going to get and we want to make it great for everyone. (This doesn’t mean that we do everything we want simply for our own enjoyment, either; atheists are just as aware as everybody else that there are consequences for our actions… We just don’t think our consequences will be supernatural in nature. But that doesn’t make those consequences any more desirable or any less scary!)
…..Longest comment ever… I think I’ve decided to just start a blog of my own.
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Just so everyone knows, there is no relation between me, Squingleberg, and Squiggledorf, even though they sound somewhat simlar.
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So, the essence of your message is that it doesn’t matter how evil you are or how evil you act today, you can always rise above it or crawl back from it, right? That’s soooooo cool! I feel like going out tonight and beating someone up, knowing that tomorrow, I can reflect, realize it was wrong, and then feel better about myself! Yay, I like it! Much better than being accountable to yourself for your own actions.
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You don’t understand anything about atheists. Atheists don’t believe in any god, so there is no absolute good or evil. Human nature (or the nature of any other animal, for that matter) is NOT inherently evil, but rather, inherently neutral, and relies upon context to be classified as moral, immoral, or neither. And, for the record, most atheists do believe that people can control their behavior, and can (and should) choose to act morally. For example, should I feel the need to beat you up for your incredibly rude remarks (I don’t, because I’m not a violent person, but let’s suppose that I do), I would not do so for several reasons: 1) It’s illegal 2) You could hurt me 3) For all I know, you have a kid (or dog, or goldfish) who relies on you, and I would not punish an innocent just because you are being a jerk 4) It wouldn’t solve anything – you’d still hate me, I’d still hate you, and I’d need to take a shower 5) You seem to be under the impression that physical violence is a viable response to offending remarks, and I wouldn’t want to encourage that 6) We’d both probably be in an even worse mood then before, and we’d probably take it out on the people around us 7) Well, you get the point, don’t you? Lack of a belief in god does NOT mean that one lacks a belief in morality – it just means that we have to make decisions about what it right and wrong on our own, instead of relying on an absent third party to tell us. RAmen, and I hope you decide to do some research the next time you go around randomly insulting people (it would be the moral thing to do, and you wouldn’t come off as such an ignorant jerk).
-Sarah
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It seems you have alot of HUMAN emotion pent up inside, instead of “gods love” that you probably want everyone to think you have.
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“Atheists say evil is just our primal nature.”
Where did you get that pile of shit?
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It’s always sad but typical to read about the violence that these supposedly religious people want to inflict on unbelievers, just because we won’t accept their ideas on blind faith. Bill Maher hit it in “Religulous” when he thanked some friendly people for being “…christ-like, not christian.”
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As an atheist, I do good for goodness sake. Just look at your reaction to us. Funny thing, I wouldn’t want to beat you up just because I met you on the street.
You are just further evidence of evolution.
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I think you’re confusing “atheist” and “legalist”
I don’t think people are naturally evil, nor naturally good. We’re naturally human. I believe that love is a powerful thing, much like most Christians contend to, but I don’t believe in the way it is presented.
A lot of the Pastafarians here will classify this as a “satire”, and in some ways it is, but it spreads the belief of love and tolerance, or at least tries to. Even here there is intolerance, but that can’t be helped/
I think everyone just needs to understand, whether they’re Muslim, Christian, Jewish, Pastafarian, Hindu, etc. that we’re really not going to make this work unless we put aside our differences.
And that’s why your letter makes me angry. Do you think you can threaten/scare/intimidate us into believing what you want us to believe?
Because otherwise, if you’ve got nothing nice to say, shut your trap.
Man, that was long,
Lizzie
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Pastafarians have never ever committed a crime against humanity. What’s your record? Christians killed millions and counting.
So what was your point again?
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Huh. Wonder who this could possibly be. I can’t imagine.
Last time I checked, the xian idea was that everyone was born with something called *original sin*, kinda like saying that evil is inborn in everyone. I don’t recall where it is written that atheists say evil is *our primal nature*. All of the atheists that I know personally believe evil to be wrong and controllable. You really should check in with the real world once in a while, Christian. Oops, I meant to say Squiggledorf. Hope I didn’t blow your cover.
That Jesus fella has been dead for centuries. He isn’t about to rule over anything. He’s dead. Get used to it.
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First of all, Mr. Squiggledorf, we may say that evil is our primal nature, but that doesn’t mean we should follow it. Second of all, I highly recommend that next time you try to convert other people to your religion, you do not start out with a threat. that is a definite deal breaker. Lastly, your name is fucking stupid.
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You sure don’t know much about atheists. Atheists do not say that evil is our primal nature. That’s what your church tells you you are supposed to think. Why don’t you try asking an Atheist or two, instead of pretending like you know?
Guess what, I want to be a nice person too. Whenever I’m not as nice as I could be, I say: “I messed up. Now I have to live with what I did, because no god is going to bail me out. So I’d better take responsibility for my actions, and try to fix the mess I made and do better next time. Because Life is Once, and all we have is Each Other.”
Leave me out of your “god’s people”. May you be touched by the Noodly Appendage.
RAmen
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Okay, let’s take this sentence by sentence, shall we?
“I would love little more than to beat the ever living tar out of each and every one of you.”
Good for you. Ever been to a psychiatric hospital? Cause’ that’s where you’re heading if this is how you talk all the time to people who have a difference of opinion than you.
“However, Jesus says i shouldn’t, because it is wrong.”
So is posting Hate Mail, but that is besides the point. I am glad there is Christianity, and I am glad it has survived all these years, because even through horrible Christian wars, such as the crusades where they massacred many innocent Muslims and Jews for a plot of land, without Christianity the Psych Wards and Jails might be completely full with people that would’ve been Christians but aren’t, that killed people over disagreements. Some Christians (such as yourself) need strict moral values with a threat of eternal damnation to keep them in line. The sane part of the population, however, can comply with flimsy moral values, no threat of eternal damnation, and common sense.
“Jesus says for us to control our sinful impulses and be nice people.”
See Above. Although I’m pretty sure telling people you’d like to beat the tar out of them is quite sinful, in my opinion.
“I want to be a nice person, and whenever im not as nice as i could be i say to myself,the greatest glory is not in never failing but in rising each time you fall.”
Okay, then don’t post hate mail. We’re not doing a thing to you. And I think what you’re saying is that as long as you’re nice later after being a cruel, evil person, its okay.
“That, i believe, is the fundamental difference between atheist and Christians.”
Yes, I would say so to. Most atheists, and most people in general think that just being nice later doesn’t make up for being cruel and evil.
“Atheists say evil is just our primal nature.”
Actually, very few atheists think this. Most I know believe in an inner good or just in an inner want for attention which drives them to do good or bad things, for attention. Such as you. You probably did this whole post because you have no friends and no life and need to write something to get all your anger at yourself out. I suggest a diary, or if you’d like to call it a journal that’s okay to. It’s still extremely girly, It will still be constantly stolen by people you know, and you will still be made fun of for it by people you don’t know. So actually, that’s a very bad idea. Maybe you should stick to hate mail.
“Christians say evil is both wrong and controllable.”
Some atheists say that too.
“May the LORD Jesus rule over God’s people forever Amen.”
Yes. May the 2000-year old zombie-guy rule over HIS people in Rome. No, that’s not fair, that’s pushing Christianity on the Romans. Ramen.
“-Squiggledorf”
*snicker* hehe… *bursts out laughing* BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
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Absolutely agree. I hope Lord Jesus rules over his people forever too, and leaves the rest of us free thinking types alone. You should take a leaf from his book, mate. Go on, turn the other cheek and away on your bike.
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“I would love little more than to beat the ever living tar out of each and every one of you.”
“I want to be a nice person”
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“That, i believe, is the fundamental difference between atheist and Christians. Atheists say evil is just our primal nature. Christians say evil is both wrong and controllable.”
I think you forgot a part. You seem to think that just because someone acknowledges that evil is primal, that they would not try to control it. Just because evil is our primal nature (and it is) does not mean an atheist would not try to better themselves. In fact, I personally think that it is a good sight more demanding to acknowledge that it is a primal thing and to contain it, and try to be a better person regardless of it. You seem to think that just because someone acknowledges that evil is primal, that they would not try to control it. Secondly, your belief adheres to the fact that it wasn’t your fault, it was Eve’s, who was convinced by a talking snake to sin.
Also, isn’t “evil” primarily determined by perspective? Evil to one may be the tenet of another person’s belief.
Like Christians.
Your religion has killed thousands and millions because they didn’t agree with you. Isn’t that evil?
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also tar is not alive
just thought id throw that in there
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Tis so sad that people believe this and that we can’t contact them to respond.
Oh well. Just to get it out:
Why do you think atheists believe we should all be evil? I don’t think that, and I don’t believe that, and I don’t think anyone on this board does either. Going around and being evil isn’t nice. While atheists don’t believe morality is given from god, we do believe it is mutually beneficial to be nice to one another. I don’t want to be killed (I value the one life I get), and so I agree not to kill you and hope you return the favor. I don’t want my child to get raped, and so I don’t go around other children. Maybe someone should teach that to the Vatican preachers… Every mom knows this to be the case. “How would you feel if your brother did that to you?”
I would even go as far as to say that as a whole, atheists are MORE moral that theists.
From here I could go talk about the Inquisition, Crusades, the Holocaust (Antisemitism started because of Christians. Sorry. This one is your burden.) ect. If you were hip on stock church responses, you would say atheists have the burden of Stalin and Hitler. First of all, Hitler was raised Catholic, and I couldn’t find any evidence otherwise. Even accepting Hitler as an atheist, the dreadful duo didn’t commit their treacheries because they were an atheist. As far as I know, no one has strapped a bomb to their chest and blown up a church yelling “For nothing!” Blaming Soviet deeds on atheism would be like saying Hitler killed Jews because he had facial hair. It is true that he has facial hair, but that has nothing to do with anything.
I am trying to understand your unbacked assertion that atheists don’t care if you are evil. I notice the word “primal” and that tips me off that you may be referring to evolution. If this is the case, your argument would have to be “We came from animals so we should act like animals.” This logic has two flaws: Firstly, those animals that live in packs have to be nice, or the pack won’t work. Humans are the ultimate pack, and should be nice to each other to survive. If you look at the state of the world, we aren’t much better at being nice than animals. As you pointed out, evil is in us, but we have to try to repress it.
Secondly, we shouldn’t act like that which we came from. I believe stem cell research is outlawed by Christians because you are “playing God”. Acting like God is obviously wrong =p. I would feel rather uncomfortable if 80% of America acted like Yahweh. One Yahweh did enough damage in the bible.
Religion actually brings out the bad in people. You think our religion is stupid, and your religion makes you hate us. You want to beat the living tar (I believe they may be called “guts”) out of all of us. I feel your belief is equally unjustified and silly, yet I feel no violent urges toward you. Could it be that God makes atheists more moral than theists? :D
As saint George Carlin said, if religion keeps you from killing people, you should be locked up in a church, or psychiatric ward. If through God is the only way you can be moral, you are a weaker man than I, but you should keep going to church. Religion is only a quick fix, though. You should really go see a shrink.
If you do see this and wish to respond, I would be more than happy to beat the intellectual living tar out of any of you. If anyone wishes to debate with me, my e-mail is fsmftwbbq AT gmail DOT com.
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Doesn’t the bible claim that humans are inherently evil? Because of the apple, in the garden? Nowhere do Atheists say that humans are inherently evil, anyway. I believe in the strength of the human spirit, especially when clothed in pirate regalia.
Ramen.
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Peace and Love to you too
RAmen
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Yeah, you’re retarded, you think our “evil nature” is just a test that god has placed upon us and you proceed to think of it as “sin” to do anything related to a perceivable sin. Whereas atheists realize what evil is and also try to become better people, but not by rejecting who we are because to reject our own minds and bodies as a test of our resistance to god’s influence of evil upon us is really just treason to the continued existence of your own life and happiness.
In other words, don’t hate yourself just because you want to hit some stupid idiot, he warranted the thought by being stupid. And if you do hate yourself for it; have a good life of depression from all your “evil” thoughts raining down upon you.
RAmen Mateys!
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Squiggledorf – I am nearly rendered speechless by the acuity of your arguments – actually just kidding you sad 12 year old.
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“Atheists say evil is just our primal nature”
Correction: SOME Atheists say evil is just our primal nature. No group of atheists has the exact same views, sorry to tell you.
Evil is wrong and controllable… and most of the time is caused by your fucking religion.
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@ Squiggledorf (I have several, unorganized thoughts but I will orgainize them in the order they popped into my head or i’ll try to at least; some are random)
1) I think I can take you and your Jesus so bring it.
2) How do you know that Jesus tells what to do and what not to do? Have you met Jesus? Do you talk to him regularly? Unless of course, you are a few thousand years old and you spoke with Jesus, which is doubtful seeing as it’s not possible for a person to live that long. There is the possibility that you know a hispanic person named Jesus, but then you would have the two confused.
3) If you have to tell yourself to be nice, then methinks that you’re just a mean person.
4) Atheists may say that evil is natural. Meaning, people committing evil is NOT the work of a devil-like being! Is that really that hard to grasp? I think you fail to see that by saying evil is natural, that atheists are saying that it is merely what people have in them to do and NOT (I REPEAT) THE WORK OF A DEVIL-LIKE BEING. There are morals that people have placed on society that allow people to define “good and evil.” By saying evil is natural, it is NOT saying that people will ALWAYS be “evil.” Moral values in society make people do “good.” But besides all that, “good and evil” is hard to define, because in one person’s eyes something that is “good” for one person, may be “evil” to another. And, everything is not always black-and-white. There may be different reasons as to why someone comitted an “evil” and it may be a good cause. Murdering someone is a sin, right? Well, murdering someone is killing someone. So when Saddam Hussein was executed, technically it was murder. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying I want him alive, but it was an “evil” (murder), but do you think it would be better if he were still alive? If not, then that “evil” was comitted for “good.” As I said, everything is not always black and white.
5) You are just another Christian that does not think things through. I am done. Thank you.
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“I would love little more than to beat the ever living tar out of each and every one of you.”
“Christians say evil is both wrong and controllable.”
At one point you’re saying that evil is natural, but then you say it’s wrong and controllable… if you were “controlled” (just the word I was thinking actually, whenever I read hate mail) you wouldn’t say that you’d love to beat the living “tar” (you can cuss on the Internet you know, your mum isn’t going to give you a spanking) out of us.
“Atheists say evil is just our primal nature.”
Confusing Atheism with Social Darwinism, are we?
“Jesus says for us to control our sinful impulses and be nice people.”
http://nobeliefs.com/jesus.htm
Gotta love that zombie prophet now, don’t you?
“Christians say evil is both wrong and controllable.”
Had to quote this again simply for some lulz… ever hear of the Crusades? That was some great restraint you showed.
“May the LORD Jesus rule over God’s people forever Amen.”
Essentially, you’re saying that the Lord is not God? Just Jesus? Have fun telling churches you’re a Christian.
May his noodliness save thy soul and keepeth thee from STD’s and stale beer.
RAmen
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“Atheists say evil is just our primal nature” – As an Atheist, allow me to correct your misunderstanding.
I’d say evil is a theological construct that arose from the Zoroastrian influence of moral dualism on Judaism and early Christianity.
As an Atheist, I’d also say that you are evidence that ignorance is our primal nature. The fundamental difference is I believe we don’t have to stay that way.
May you be touched by the noodly appendage of wisdom.
RAmen
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You desire violence and the pain of others who think differently from you. Saying it and then name-dropping Jesus does not make it go away. You need to stop hating others, stop telling yourself you know something about what some group of others (”atheists”) believe, because guess what, you really don’t know. That’s the way minds work. You don’t know.
If you are really interested in self-improvement, whether through Jesus or some other avenue, you ought to work on (1)your seething hatred, and (2)your apparently non-existent sense of humor. At the moment, you are being held up to the Internet as an example of someone who does not have control of their emotions, and cannot restrain themselves from faulting others and telling them how they ought to live. You are not successfully arguing the case that someone should be a Christian. You yourself are a bad example, and may want to just keep your opinions to yourself until you work on numbers (1) and (2) above.
There’s really nothing to get so worked up about. Jesus said that all men are his brothers, and that even the least of these are, in fact, Him. So everyone who is part of the COTFSM is Jesus. And you, if you desire to truly be a good christian, should be behaving accordingly.
In other words, stop being rude to Jesus.
Thanks!
:)
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Why is Squiggledorf talking to us about atheism? We have a God, and he is al dente.
RAmen.
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First of, my body contains no traces of living tar, deceased tar, or inanimate tar for that matter.
Secondly, if you despise us so, why even come to this website? We are not forcing you at gun point to listen to us.
Thirdly, how do you know what Jesus said? that story it 2000 years old at least. You figure for a good portion of it the story was passed on verbally, and then edited by that court in the 1300’s, and translated a few dozen times, so I personally rather greatly doubt that story is more than 10% accurate.
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There’s no evil from christians then?
Righty-ho.
I heard a rumour that your mate Jesus was fond of a bit of willy. Is this true?
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People like us have the ability to control our anger ourselves, not because a zombie tells us it is worng. That is the fundamental difference between believers of the FSM and the christians.
RAmen
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Squiggledorf, I think you’ll find that it is Christians who teach that evil is our primal nature, and that an individual must work to overcome it – or don’t you recall the doctrine of original sin?
As for doing good deeds because Jesus (or God or Allah or your dad) tells you to do them – good on yer! But I think the world would be a better place if all people did good deeds because it is just the right thing to do.
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Actually, it’’s not really atheists that believe that. It’s Hobbes. You’re confusing your famous political philosophers with groups of people. A common mistake, so don’t worry.
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Squiggledorf?? lolol!!!
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Squiggledork… lol!
Hope this didn’t post twice, sorry if it did.
RAmen
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Ha Ha, he’s called Squiggledorf, oh by the way the fundamental difference between Christians and Atheists is the fact the atheist dont belive in God. I thought that would be obvious
oh well
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“i wanna kill you all you should die and go to hell but jesus says no so i won’t”
seriously, Squiggie, you sound ridiculous.
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I would love little more than having sex with Natalie Portman and Salma Hayek at the same time, I win! Jesus says I should and videotape it.
Secondly, Calm the hell down!!! I wouldn’t categorize wanting to “beat the living tar” out of complete strangers not as a sin but as extreme sociopathic behavior. “I want to be a nice person” but I have all these issues of wanting to beat people up, maybe instead of going to church you should be medicated.
Atheists don’t say evil is primal nature they say it is the result of brain/body chemistry, upbringing, social contexts, and other rational and observable factors.
Ramen
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Please post your comments on an atheist site then. They don’t seem to be addressed to FSM.
BTW, Squiggledorf is a silly name. You aren’t doing your credibility any favours using that name.
Oh and also, failing and then sayng I will be better next time and then failing again is failing. The point is to learn so that next time you don’t fail. The only being that can help you with that is you.
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Atheists do not say evil is just our primal nature. A major difference between your ethics and Atheist ethics is that you wish to do evil things, but refrain from doing so out of fear (as stated in the beginning of your message). Atheists understand that evil acts like “beating the ever living tar” out of our fellow humans is not constructive and does not contribute to a peaceful, functioning society, therefor we do not even wish to do such things. Essentially, you’re operating under a carrot and stick system of discipline, without any internal knowledge of why you should act that way (other than “cuz Jesus said so”). Atheists understand the philosophy behind morality, so we do not require simplistic parables to inform our behavior. We just do the right thing because we know that is what works best for ourselves and for society. Best part is, there is no fear, hate or anger involved. Sounds like heaven doesn’t it?
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Are you retarded?
Religions start wars. Lots and lots of wars. Atheists, or at least the vast, vast majority of us, have no desire for war. Atheists want advancement, which is sort of the opposite of war.
Also, Christians are “nice people” because they are afraid of going to Hell, and because they were told to be nice people by a cosmic Jewish zombie that was his own father. Atheists are nice people – aside from making fun of the occasional religious nuts – because they are nice people. They came to the conclusion that being nice is better than being not nice on their own, with no threat from a talking sky man or fear of burning eternally.
– Atheists say evil is just our primal nature. Christians say evil is both wrong and controllable.
You made absolutely no point there. Christians can say that evil is wrong and controllable, but that doesn’t mean that it’s not still our primal nature. Point-making Fail. Atheists believe that it can and should be controlled, but that doesn’t make it any less of our nature. Seriously.
And, just so you know, “Squiggledorf” makes you sound like a four year old.
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Hahaha.
You’re a funny little hypocrite, aren’t you?
I find it very sad and pathetic that the human race has been reduced to this, to ignorant, offensive people such as yourself. Unlike Christians, Atheists to no believe in any doctrine. They don’t need someone else’s guidelines to manage their lives. A person can live moraly without sleeping with a bible under their pillow, without depriving themselves of certain needs and rights. Religion is the main source of any prejudice, any discrimination in our sadly, very primitive society. We are so afraid of relying on ourselves and our own judgement that we need to follow ridiculous guidelines that were written hundreds of years ago, let ourselves be manipulated by our communities, and by some of our leaders.
To say that “Atheists say evil is just our primal nature” is a completely false and ignorant statement. We don’t “say” anything, we don’t BELIEVE any bullshit. We are strong enough and SMART enough to live by our own rules.
On the other hand…isn’t ruining someone’s life, making them feel worthless for who they are because of their sexual orientation, because of who they are, evil? In my humble opinion, destroying a person’s self-esteem for the rest of their life over a few lines in an acient book, is not only evil, it is RIDICULOUS! It is a disgrace!
What about forcing a teenage rape victim to give birth to her abuser’s child? That’s a nice thing to do! Over a little gooey foetus that does’t know what the fuck is going on anyways. Great logic there.
How about keeping women submissive throughout history? Nice, charming. “Time to cut of you clitoris! God obviously made a mistake when he gave you that thing!”
(Of course I don’t mean to accuse all believers of being discrimanitive imbeciles, I know perfectly well that a person can be religious without being a complete asshole…in fact, I believe at the very base, religion is a good thing…but there will always be people who will take it and turn it to their advantage, and therefore breed generations of moronic followers, such as yourself!).
I doubt this will make you SEE THE LIGHT, dear Squiggledorf (What a charming nickname by the way), but hopefully someone will read this and be reassured that they are not crazy. NO, there is no bearded man in the sky listening to our thoughts. YES, most of planet earth has a collective IQ of 34!
AMEN.
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you are the reason churches like this exist.
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“Atheists say evil is just our primal nature.”
Oh hey there, Mr. Strawman.
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You are a fucking lunatic. Fuck off, asshole.
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And His Noodley Goodness says to not “beat the living tar” out of you because it’s not nice, so I guess we’re even?
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first: we believe that evil is wrong more so than most Christians. we are more selfless in our acts of kindness, because Christians are following orders, trying to get into heaven, and/or get away from hell.
second: you blatantly admit that all you’re doing is following orders. I, an atheist, would like to beat the living tar out you, but I will not because I have a sense of common decency. not someone saying,”no.”
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Well, If you ever decide you just can’t hold it back and you just have to beat someone up, you can start with me.
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Well, ummm Mr. Squiggledorf, I’m very proud of you for resisting the urge to beat us down telepathically through the magic of the INTERNET.
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Well, at least your faith is strong enough to keep you from beating people up. I just don’t understand why you need the sky fairy to tell you that it’s wrong.
Here’s a question: Have you ever been told something in church that you didn’t really all ready know? Do you really need to go somewhere once a week and be taught common sense? And then give some money for this obvious advise?
“Atheists say evil is just our primal nature. Christians say evil is both wrong and controllable.”
No,atheists know evil is wrong and can be controlled, and we don’t need to go somewhere once a week and pay someone to tell us. We’re too smart for that.
Apparently christians aren’t.
P.S. “Squiggledorf” ??
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Im an atheist, and I say “evil” is wrong and controllable too. As I see it, the real difference is that I say society dictates what is evil and what is not, christians say god or Jesus dictates.
I do what is right because I believe in playing by society’s rules (which can be very unforgiving), you do what is right because jesus (who will forgive you no matter what the fuck you do as long as you repent before you die)tells you too…
It would seem that I have a lot more to fear from you than you do from me, my friend.
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Hahaha.
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Hm. I predict that this one will go to hell much faster than I might…
I, as an atheist (which is just one of the array of minorities out here), actually say that evil is wrong and controllable. For the record, what atheist have you heard of that made evil a system? (I know Mao wasn’t christian, but I’m not sure about Hitler or Stalin. Enlightenment, anyone?)
You loving christian you!
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i don’t smoke so there’s no tar in me.
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Hey now, who you calling an atheist? I’m a Pastafarian!
Departing from that small piece of unsound assumption, I think you missed the mark entirely. I like the way you felt it was necessary to tell us you want to hit us, then hastened to show that you are a ‘good sheep’ that won’t attack because Jesus tells you not to. If you cannot be trusted to control your own impulses without the threat of punishment, not because you have empathy, nor a developed conscience, then you are precisely the type of silly person of which we have an abundant surplus, but do not really need.
I suggest you make haste to meet your god and leave us alone.
PC
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I lol’d.
Read. The. Bible.
Jesus Christians, learn what it is you’re talking about. XD
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AAhh, yes indeedy,God is love and I can feel it just oozing out of this email. There is nothing like a calm, rational, reasoned, intelligent argument when trying to explain why you believe the ridiculous. At least this one knows how to use spellcheck(I don’t think for a second that these creatures have mastered English on their own). Though having said that, I think the USA has just elected an intelligent,rational,articulate person who also happens to be a christian. Most people I know who have ,in the past, regarded Americans as racist,inward looking, right-wing, gun-toting fundamentalists have changed their minds now. My local pub sold out of champagne because so many people were celebrating Mr Obama’s victory here in Tasmania. The world will look at you in a different way now America.
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You know, it’s not “Christians” vs. “Atheists” … Atheists are in one category, because they don’t believe in anything beyond themselves — while “Religious Folks” believe that there is something beyond, although there is difference of opinion what that something is — whether the God of Abraham, the Olympian Gods, the Flying Spaghetti Monster, or a cosmic energy field.
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if jesus say “throw yourself into a pit” would you do it?
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I never seen atheists saying “evil” is our primal nature. In fact, most of them agree that there is no such such thing as absolute “good” and “evil”, and these things are entirely society-based.
But enough about atheists, you are a nice person, and even though for some reason you need an imaginary guardian to stay nice, the Flying Spaghetti Monster will obviously let you into heaven. Meet you there!
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Atheists say evil is just our primal nature? That’s news to me. I thought we discounted evil as a useful concept because it’s an easy way out of actually examining the causes of something.
Also, am getting increasingly alarmed at the number of people who would be ragingly violent but for their religion. Is it just me, or does murderousness love company?
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“I would love little more than to beat the ever living tar out of each and every one of you.”
How very Christian of you.
“However, Jesus says i shouldn’t, because it is wrong. Jesus says for us to control our sinful impulses and be nice people.”
Jesus was a very wise MAN.
“I want to be a nice person, and whenever im not as nice as i could be i say to myself,the greatest glory is not in never failing but in rising each time you fall.”
I pray to the almighty FSM that Squiggledorf, a kind and just person, never fall to the evils of beating the ever living tar out of people practicing their beloved religion. RAmen.
“That, i believe, is the fundamental difference between atheist and Christians. Atheists say evil is just our primal nature. Christians say evil is both wrong and controllable.”
I disagree with your implied assumption on this point. Yes, it can be interpreted that primal human nature is evil – there is ample evidence that our apelike ancestors, our modern primate cousins, and even us humans display absolutely brutal behavior toward our own species as well as others. You yourself, Squiggledorf, have nearly fallen prey to the evil you speak of by expressing a wont “to beat the ever living tar out of every one of [us]“. I disagree with your implied assumption that atheists believe that evil is acceptable human behavior. I think that if you sought out a few atheists and engaged them in civil, open minded, intelligent discussion, you would find that they too believe that evil is wrong. I also believe you would find that atheists are every bit as capable of controlling primal evil, holding the highest level of ethics, and having the greatest love for for one another as any Christian, Jew, Muslim, Buddhist, or Hindu.
“May the LORD Jesus rule over God’s people forever Amen.”
An may the FSM touch us all with his noodly appendage. RAmen.
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Squiggledorf,
Welcome peaceful christian – so nice to hear you can control the voices in your head.
Unfortunately they aren’t jesus: may I suggest a trip to your local psychiatrist.
As to beating “the ever living tar out of each and every one of” us:
1. Not much living tar in me – I am not a smoker
2. You are a wanker
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Athiests say evil is our primal nature AND wrong and controllable. So we win. Jesus may well rule over gods chosen people. Unfortunately he said “Go not unto the gentiles, nor to any town of the Samaritans, but go rather unto the lost sheep of the children of Israel.” So unless you were actually jewish to start with, I guess that’s not you. FAIL.
And maybe Jesus should take some of his own advice. Sending people to hell is NOT NICE now is it. Some might think he’s not the Messiah, just a very naughty boy.
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Atheists simply do not believe in a god. “Atheists” do not say evil is just our primal nature. We don’t have that kind of dogma. Our only commonality is our lack of belief in a god. You only state that falsehood because your xian cult brainwashes you. We as a group are not amoral or evil.
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Ramen
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I’m pretty sure that the bible says that even wanting to commit a sin is a sin in itself! Well done! You’re desire to “beat the living tar out of each and everyone one of [us]” means that in your head you have already committed that sin!
Atheists say that our primal urges are part of out intuitive nature, christians try to blame them on the boogeyman. All beasts of nature have primal urges, and we are no different, just evolved apes. Get used to it, your imaginary friend is…well imaginary.
When you understand why you don’t believe in any other possible gods you will understand why we don’t believe in your god.
I have to say though, that I’m impressed by your spelling and grammar, most of you bible-bashers that come on here and scream abuse at us tend to come across as uneducated inbreds. Maybe there is hope for you yet!
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When exactly did Atheists start condoning evil? Last time I checked most Atheists believed as such due to their capability of rational thought. This is not something that leads to acting evil or condoning that evil action of others. After all, you haven’t heard anyone here say they would like to “beat the ever living tat out of each and every” God fearing individual in the world.
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So you’d like to beat the tar out of us, but evil is NOT our primal nature? Then something must be driving your agression. Perhaps its the false sense of superiority your religion gives you.
Jesus was known as a pacifist, putting him solidly in the minority when it comes to divine wrathfulness. His old man, on the other hand, was widely known for smiting, burning and drowning!
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Totally missed the mark there, with the assumption about atheist beliefs. Just because some people do not believe in God does not necessarily mean that they think humans are inherently bad. Matter of fact, many people in the non-religious mindset simply do not think in terms of “good” and “evil.” That sort of dichotomy is a product of absolute ethics, which are just as subjective as any other belief system
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Totally missed the mark there, with the assumption about atheist beliefs. Just because some people do not believe in God does not necessarily mean that they think humans are inherently bad. Matter of fact, many people in the non-religious mindset simply do not think in terms of “good” and “evil.” That sort of dichotomy is a product of absolute ethics, which are just as subjective as any other belief system. You should probably learn more about atheism before attacking it falsely.
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Okay, you’ve got a wacky assumption here. You say atheists think evil is our primary nature. An atheist is just one who doesn’t believe in any god. In fact, atheists do a good job of proving that you can be a good person without being bullied into it by a supernatural guy with an eternal fire lake.
For a person to be like that, truly evil as his primary nature, he’d have to… I don’t know… love little other than injuring strangers for things they didn’t believe in, maybe.
I think I’m glad you have religion. It keeps the rest of us safer.
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The difference between atheists and Christians is that atheists are moral because they want to be. Christians are moral because they fear their god will burn them forever. I find the former to be more noble.
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“Atheists say evil is just our primal nature.”
None of the atheists I know say that. As a matter of fact, that statement sounds suspiciously like the Doctrine of Original Sin, a xian construct for the mind control of others.
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“That, i believe, is the fundamental difference between atheist and Christians”
I believe the fundamental difference you’re referring to is actually that atheists can control themselves, while christians need an imaginary friend to tell them to behave.
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I congratulate you, Squiggledorf, on controlling your violent impulses. However, I would strongly recommend psychological counciling over the underlying causes of them. Certainly I see things every day which are annoying, upsetting, even aggravating, but I don’t think I’ve ever expressed a wish to ‘beat the living tar out of’ an entire religion.
I hope you find peace.
-St. Jason
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Right, we atheist have evil in our nature. That would explain the horns and pointy tail.
So, has Jesus been talking to you lately? Or was it that other voice in your head? BTW, that other voice is not God either.
Atheists don’t say evil isn’t wrong or out of control. I’d like to know what idiot implanted that idea in your head, because he’s the evil one. Atheists might have a different view of what is evil, but we still have morals.
Just one tip; if you’re thinking of converting people to Christianity, one of the worst ways to do that is to sign with “Squiggledorf”. Seriously, could you imagine the new pope being called “squiggledorf”?
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holy crap. you are nuts!
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I’m afraid that you also claim that evil is just our primal nature: that’s what the whole concept of original sin boils down to. the fact that evil actions are within our nature doesn’t mean that they are either right or uncontrollable by any means.
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“Atheists say evil is just our primal nature. Christians say evil is both wrong and controllable.”
Doesn’t seem that way. Atheists believe that people can be moral and have a good society without religion. Christians believe that unless someone is threatening them with eternal damnation and goading them on with promises of paradise people will be evil.
So which one believes that people are fundamentally good? The one that asks people to be good for goodness sake, or the one that threatens sinners with physical violence?
Also: Squiggledorf? What kind of a crazy name is that?
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“Atheists say evil is just our primal nature” erm, nope.
I want the copy of the bible that says:
Yea verily and the Lord Jesus spoke unto them saying “Thou shalt not beat the ever living tar out of each and every one of them, because it is wrong” and he added “Ye shalt control you sinful impulses and be nice people”
That would be great.
Back to the original point tho – I’m an atheist & I don’t seem to have these near-uncontrollable violent urges to beat the ‘ever living tar’ out of anyone. I don’t seem to need a bronze-age ’self help’ book to tell me how to be nice, I just am. Maybe my evil ‘prime nature’ is not up to much, I’ll have to work harder on it.
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“Atheists say evil is just our primal nature.”
Umm… Has any atheist ever said that to you, personally? I ask this because that sort of statement would be somewhat incomplete. As for the rest of your message: If LORD Jesus is the only thing that stands between you and committing violent acts on your fellow humans, then you should be worried.
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Well that was quite a bipolar threat. Have a nice day?
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“I would love little more than to beat the ever living tar out of each and every one of you”
And i don’t want to beat you, so i dont need controlling, says alot about you christians huh?
“Atheists say evil is just our primal nature”
No, no they don’t. Atheists primarily believe that humans are naturally good people, seeing as the primitive parts of our brain are hard-wired to be empathetic and all.
Why dont you tell Sweden, an 85% atheist country with a crime rate far lower than america, ya know why dont you just tell all these countries why you’d like to beat them up [http://www.adherents.com/largecom/com_atheist.html]
Not that you could because after all non-believers are about 1.1 billion in number
So yeah, you’re a sick and twisted person who needs help, and i recommend proffesional help rather than a pastor, he’d just make things worse… and who knows he might even sodomise you
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So just to be clear, you think it’s OK to do violence to people because sometimes it’s hard to listen to an imaginary man in the sky? Additionally you believe that atheists think that evil is our primal nature?
Let me address these points in order as i see them.
1) “I would love little more than to beat the ever living tar out of each and every one of you. However, Jesus says i shouldn’t, because it is wrong.”
The fact that you would “love little more” than to do violence is indicative of some serious psychological issues that you should probably investigate with the help of a medically trained professional. The fact that you only refrain from said violence because a zombie tells you not to further indicates your delusional state. However, let’s actually look to your ‘good’ book shall we? In Galatians 5:14 Paul says “YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.” and goes on to say (5:20-21) that those who practice things such as enmities, strife, outbursts of anger, disputes, and things like these will not inherit the kingdom of god. In the book of James (1:26), James says “If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless”. It appears that your anonymous flaming of people on the internet is leading you on a path straight to your hell… There are countless other verses that i could quote but i don’t think it will matter.
2) “I want to be a nice person, and whenever im not as nice as i could be i say to myself,the greatest glory is not in never failing but in rising each time you fall.”
I have two problems with this statement; first, to profess that you want to be a nice person after stating your desire to do violence indicates that in fact you do not want to be a nice person. If you truly wanted to be a nice person you would find something else to do than flame people for their beliefs. Secondly, I have a really hard time with someone as hateful as you seem to be quoting someone like Nelson Mandela. In the same book that Mr Mandela makes the above ‘glory’ quote, he also says “No one is born hating another person because of the colour of his skin, or his background, or his religion. People must learn to hate, and if they can learn to hate, they can be taught to love, for love comes more naturally to the human heart than its opposite.”. So it would seem that you have been taught to hate by the religious zealots that you have thrown your lot with. You hate others merely because they don’t believe in “god” the same way that you do. Doesn’t that seem a little childish? To me that seems about as childish as hating someone because they decorate their house differently than you do, or driving a different car than you do. It just doesn’t make sense. I agree Mr. Mandela love for your fellow man does come fairly easy especially if you can love yourself.
3) That, i believe, is the fundamental difference between atheist and Christians. Atheists say evil is just our primal nature. Christians say evil is both wrong and controllable. May the LORD Jesus rule over God’s people forever Amen
Your belief regarding the fundamental difference between theists and atheists is factually incorrect. The fundamental difference between the two is simply that theists have the doctrine or belief in the existence of a god or gods and atheists DO NOT. I am not making this up, i pulled that definition straight out of Google (define: theism). Now i cannot speak for all atheists everywhere but to posit that we think evil is just primal nature is like saying that the nature of ice cream is neither the ice nor the cream, but in fact unicorns. While evil (like gods) may in fact exist, i’ve never experienced any measurable evidence of it so i will continue to interact with people as though they are just people and not evil incarnate. I will do the same with ice cream, that is to say that i will continue to believe that ice cream is in fact very cold (shall we go so far as to say iced?) cream with a variety of flavoring agents added, none of which are measurably unicorns. Atheists ALSO say that treating people poorly (call it evil if you must) is both wrong and controllable. I prefer to think of this as “personal responsibility”. In other words I like to behave rationally and with compassion both by myself and in the presence of others, not because some mythical god-zombie tells me i should but because it is beneficial to all involved.
May intelligence and rational thought triumph over ignorance and fear.
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Did our FSM creator put tar in us? Living tar? I was taught by the FSM to only love those less enlightened than myself and not to hate. I shall sacrifice a plate of spaghetti in hopes of saving Squiggledorf. Is it wrong for me to care for the unenlightened?
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I just can’t have any respect for someone who refers to themselves as Squiggledorf.
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I think evil is wrong and controllable, just like christianity is wrong and controllable!
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i agree wit this guy
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i agree with this guy
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Jesus also said that you can move mountains by praying, he was wrong and a liar.
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We may or may not contain contain tar – living or otherwise – but you are definitely full of shit.
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“I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.”
— Mahatma Gandhi
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I’m glad that you need some 2,000 year old book to help you do right.
Most of use don’t need the stories of some man from thousands of years ago to do right. Despite the SN I don’t go around hurting random people because it’s wrong. Why is it wrong? Because it hurts people and causes pain and I don’t want to do that, even to people I disagree with.
Atheists don’t belive that evil is an uncontroable part of our nature. They believe that you can do good without the fear of hell.
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Holy crap, there’s tar living inside of me. Quick, get it out! Hold on the beating part, please. Can’t you pray or something?
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139- He meant figuratively, not literally. It’s quite obvious that you didn’t listen during church, little boy. You should go back to your studies.
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This guy gets my Moron of the Month Award, it would be nice if people would just leave us alone.
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Is he punching us for Jeebus or not? I have better things to do than to read his whining.
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leave it to some bible carrier to threaten violence towards another religon. its not the first time some christian asshole decided to harass people for their beliefs.
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wow how idiotic and psychotic you morons are i hope the true light of christ will eventually reach you and matty its a figure of speech wow ignorance rules all of your lives
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none of you respond because in your heart you know you are wrong in your personal path LONG LIVE CRUSADERS OF GOD!!!!!!!!!!!
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LONG LIVE CRUSADERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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still awaiting a relevant commet from the idiots of this site
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*comment
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everybody on this site is so bitter and hateful
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I would totally take moral direction from someone called squiggledorf.
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I consider this and some of the follow-up posts another success story for the site. Bringing awareness and encouraging the power of reason to people who post messages such as this is its entire point for existing in the first place, and the lonely blossoming xian ‘bots’ like noah #148 looking for somebody to hate are no doubt doing a grand job of spreading the word amongst his ilk, furthering our cause and planting yet more seeds of hope so our future generations aren’t forced to live in the dark ages. I hugely recommend constructing an Arabic version of the site.
RAmen
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Noah, just because post 139 decided to interpret one part of the bible literally doesn’t make us all a bunch of morons. After all, you’re interpreting the “god is actually real” part of the bible literally, and we all know that can’t possibly be anything other than figurative.
Next, as much as you want us to respond to you, you haven’t really given us anything to respond to.
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Come on Noah. Crusaders of God? Seriously? You choose to consider yourself a Christian (although with a serious lack of Christian morals) and you pick a crusader for you title. Crusaders kill people. Do you remember the crusades? Lots of people died. Very Christian of you.
By the way, we’re not bitter and hateful. We’re jaded and cynical. There’s a difference.
And as for my personal path, it may not be yours, but it’s a lot better. The God and Goddess (shown here in the combined representation of the carbs of the fields and the meatballs of the creatures upon this planet) show me a world that they’ve help mold and give me the right to choose my path. They give us a few moral guidelines to help us out and tell us that if screw up, it’ll come back at us threefold. So I walk my path and I sometimes screw up, but that’s okay. When my time comes, I will meet the guardians of the Summerlands and there I will lay my decisions before them. If I’ve chosen a good life, I will get another good life in return the next time. And if I haven’t, then the next one won’t be so good. But for the time I dwell in the Summerlands, there will be beer volcanos, strippers galore and if I’m really lucky, maybe a fountain of Bailey’s Irish Cream.
So my personal path is just that, my path. It may not be wrong or right, but it’s mine. And everyone has their own. To try and condemn someone’s life because of where they place their feet speaks of great intolerance and a failing at your Christian morals. May your god have mercy upon the day of your judgement.
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Noah – no one asked for your opinion. Please take your thumping somewhere else.
Also – I wonder if Mr. Squiggledorf may actually be a Pastafarian in disguise. Doesn’t a ’squiggle’ hold a resemblance to pasta?
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The Book of Noah 1:148-153: Was there a question? Or did, for instance, post 133 fall into your TL;DR filter?
I had a Jehova’s Witness on the doorstep recently, who was trying to convince me that there wasn’t anything scientifically impossible in the Bible. Like, oh, some guy being crucified, lying dead in a tomb for three days, decomposing, then springing back to life again. I rather think that biologists would have a few points to make on that.
I’m not sure which branch of science would feel moved to comment on transmuting wine into water. Stage magicians might have a thing or two to say. Yeah, yeah, metaphorical. And TRUE nonetheless.
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Squiggledorf, you are confusing atheism with heresy. As this site promotes a religion, atheism is obviously not the problem bothering you. Heresy, however, is the word you are looking for. Check up on the Spanish Inquisition – I think it may be right up your alley. There was lots of living tar flying around in those days… you would have loved it.
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Noah, your bible, not mine, says that it is a bad thing to call people fools.
Furthermore, I merely asked (in comment #2) for the Squigglecreature to be ruled by your god, and be peaceful. I wish the people of your faith would spend more time with their source book, so I could peacefully enjoy my bolognaise sauce and penne.
Ramen!
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Sadly you don’t see how pathetic you are. Your morality is decided by a man that may or may not have existed 2,000 years ago that you never met before. You can’t even determine your own sense of right and wrong you retarded slob of monkey spunk. And don’t speak for how atheists define evil, every single atheist in the world has more brains in their left nut sack than there is in your entire bloodline. You are a missed opportunity for a perfectly valid abortion.
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noah, for a relevant, and well-thought out reply, refer to comment 133. The fact that has always bothered me, about Christians, is the blatant, and almost proud, practice of hypocrasy.
from noah’s post, 153, “everybody on this site is so bitter and hateful”
from noah’s post, 148, “wow how idiotic and psychotic you morons are…” Sometimes I wonder if people really listen to themselves. I realize this is just one incident, from one person, but it still bothers me that this is rather indicitive of the whole of the followers of Christ. It’s almost like they think, “It’s okay for me to behave this way, because I know better.” Not saying that’s their concious though, just that it feels that way, sometimes.
I know there are “good Christians” out there, but we never hear from them, because they’re too busy being tollerant of other people’s religions. It really is too bad that we only ever hear from those who can’t even practice their own religion. For now, I’m just amused by the dramatic attention seekers.
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#153: … Uh-huh. Bitter and hateful, yeah, that’s us. That’s exactly why christians have to come and show us how to behave like good christians.
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LONG LIVE CRUSADERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yeah, not so much for the indigenous peoples of the lands the crusaders raped and pillaged. Don’t believe? THEN DIE! Yeah sounds joyous.
Not a single one of the people on this site is bitter and hateful, noah, you’re projecting your own bitterness and hatred. Which makes sense, since xians always seem to be bitter and hateful. No one here hates you; we pity you. You have been led down a path of wretchedness, and refuse to open your eyes and see the world for what it is. Perhaps one day you too will be touched by His Noodly Appendage, and finally start living a real life in the real world, rather than wallowing in the prison that is the delusion of Christianity.
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Noah, noah. Thanks so much for your messages of love and kindness.
To reciprocate it I’d like to suggest that you learn to use the spell check and to capitalize.
I’m sure your mommy would be so disappointed.
I am also sure in your heart you know you are wrong.
Maybe one day you will be touched by His noodliness, and then you won’t be surprised that people get upset when they are threatened with violence.
Ramen
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@ Noah,
Are you one of those psycho types? Perhaps, it is you who is on the wrong path. We are idiots, but the last relevant “commet” that I recall was Hale-Bopp. Did they board the star ship successfully and get to Heaven?
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Noah?
Wasn’t he into beastiality?
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The noah fella trying to get a rise out of people is funny. I can’t tell if he’s real or not though, because moments after being very bitter and hateful, he calls everybody bitter and hateful. Long live ignorance.
May His Noodles touch noah in a way that both enlightens and tickles him. RAmen.
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How can you beat the living tar out of me when, obviously, there is no living tar in me? The Gospel clearly proves that the only thing inside of me is sauce and meatballs. Duh. If you weren’t so blinded by your heathen religion you would have read the Gospel and you would know that.
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Thank you for offering to beat the living tar out of me…i would appreciate this as i have recently quit smoking (93 days and counting)
RAmen
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shut up mrcus aurelius penis mcsuckus
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I love noahs comments, he just made himself look a complete tool! Not only did he not get the moderation thing and so naturally assumed we had not answered his blinding critique because we know, secretly, that he is right but he followed “wow how idiotic and psychotic you morons are i hope the true light of christ will eventually reach you and matty its a figure of speech wow ignorance rules all of your lives” up with ”
everybody on this site is so bitter and hateful”. I’d say it’s mostly Noah with the bitterness and hate.
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Noah, you’re the one who’s hateful, so I suggest shutting the F*** up before we puke.
“Long live crusaders” Yeah…right…
We know in our hearts that the FSM will guide us to happiness. We’ll have all the beer and stippers we could ever want, while you sit and twiddle your thumbs, waiting for Jeebus to come and “save” you from everything you could ever desire because you live the “right path”.
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*Cough Crusades, Inquisition, witch hunts, cough*
I was born christian, with jewish grandparents and a muslim stepfather… Pastafarianism makes equal sense, and is equally proven.
Guess what? My friend in school, since we were focusing on juruselem and the Dome of the Rock, claimed christianity had proven god. I said, “no way! How?”. He said- “The bible”.
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Just for you, Squiggy – two of my very own creations.
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CONVERSATIONS WITH GOD
“What? You didn’t think about it at all?”
“Well, no. I mean, I did…but it seemed like everything was already written out. I was told we just had to believe and everything would be cool.”
“Well it is, in a way. I mean I don’t mind you believing in me, but do you have any idea *how* cool life is? I know I saw a lot of people try to describe it to you…”
“But it sounded like they were trying to discount you, sir, and since I believed that belief was the most important thing, I figured you’d be insulted, or something.”
“No, no, no. If I didn’t want you to think about it, I wouldn’t have given you a brain. Take rabbits. What do you know about rabbits?”
“Rabbits?”
“Yeah…you know…long ears, fluffy, cotton tail, etc…?”
“Well…uh…they uh….well…not much, really. They’re cute? Um, a big one comes every easter and leaves eggs in the middle of the night?”
“How about Pine trees. What do you know about pine trees?”
“Well, um…they drop pine cones? Err…uh…and I rake a lot of needles off my roof…”
“Let me get this straight…am I to believe you worship me, but you don’t know anything about my creation?”
“Well, there were lots of scientists dealing with all that stuff. I mean, um…many of them seemed like they didn’t want you to be.”
“Nonsense…they were just curious…like I made them. Like you should have been but weren’t. I get the distinct impression that it was never the crackerjacks that amused you – it was just the promise of a prize at the bottom of the box!”
“Oh no…oh no sir, that isn’t it at all!!”
“And what evidence do I have to believe that?”
“Well…I suppose you’ll just have to take it on faith.”
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THE DOCTOR AND THE MUSICIAN: A DIALOGUE
A doctor walked up to a musician. The following conversation ensued.
Doctor: There is a God.
Musician: There is? Cool! Where is it?
Doctor: Well, God is in heaven.
Musician: Where is heaven?
Doctor: No one knows for sure. Not here? Or maybe here? No one knows.
Musician: Hmm, ok. Well when did God get there?
Doctor: No one knows. Now? Yesterday? Forever? Honestly I don’t even know what time is.
Musician: Wow, heavy dude. Ok, how did God become existing?
Doctor: He was born or He always existed or he doesn’t exist in that sense or he’s all around us all the time. He is part of a universal bipolarity which indicates a counterpart of equal strength that some call the Devil.
Musician: Neat. Can I have some?
Doctor: Some what?
Musician: Some of what you’re on, man. Haha, just kidding. Ok, what is God?
Doctor: A thought. An entity. A man, like us. A woman like her {points at female passerby}. An animal. A ghost. Bah. No one really knows.
Musician: Ok, just why is there a God?
Doctor: To love us, to guide us, to torture us, to make us question, to give us reason to NOT question, to judge us, to comfort us, to disturb us, to inspire us, to perplex us, to…shoot. You know, I have no idea honestly.
Musician: Let me get this straight. You say there’s a God, but you don’t know really where it is, what it is, how it is, why it is, or when it is. Is that correct?
Doctor: Yes, that is correct.
Musician: Then how can you claim that there is one for sure?
Doctor: I don’t know. I just say there is.
Musician: Ok, well what if I say there isn’t? What if I just disagree with you?
Doctor: Don’t disagree.
Musician: Why not?
Doctor: Because God is this thing that you believe in. It’s not something you see or smell or touch or hear. It’s in your heart, not your senses.
Musician: My heart can’t think. It’s a muscle. I’m pretty sure I can prove that unlike some of the things you’re asking me to believe without proof. So don’t you mean God is something I feel with my brain by thinking about it?
Doctor: Yes, sure. God is all in your head.
Musician: Now we agree.
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Sounds like a good plan. Squiggledorf the Wise has a nice ring to it.
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Noah:wow how idiotic and psychotic you morons are
Noah: wow ignorance rules all of your lives
Noah:everybody on this site is so bitter and hateful
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What do you know about rabbits, Noah?
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It’s really cool of you to be telling people how much you’d like to beat the living tar out of them and why you won’t.
I’m sure that makes them feel great.
In fact, didn’t Jesus go around telling people that he would smash their faces in if it weren’t for the moral consequences? I mean, as long as you’re not causing people physical harm, it’s ok, right?
By the way, you should really continue on that note, you know, telling people to join your religion because it’s the only thing that’s keeping you from extracting tar from them.
“And He did observe that she was unpure. And He did see that she was filthy. And He dids’t not beat the living tar out of her, for He knew that His father was not down with that.”
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Wow. Raise your hand if you’re a Christian who is going out of his or her way to actually post a comment on a website that has nothing to do with you!
If you didn’t raise your hand, shame on you.
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I think Noah needs to be introduced to the wonderful world of punctuation.
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Sorry Noah!! I just realised “punctuation” has four syllables!! I’m talking about periods, commas etc. Most people learn about them at school but maybe not in the special classes you went to.
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This morning, when my five year old son asked if he could have Lucky Charms for breakfast, I, being an atheist, said, “Evil is in your nature,” punched him in the knee, and sent him to school hungry and with no shoes. I hope I find Jesus soon for his sake.
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Noah, I am bitter, hateful, and sarcastic when people stupidly and misguidedly make assumptions on me and my morality just because I do not believe in their God(s). I work with a woman at work who, in spite of my formidable defenses against listening to Christian dogma of any kind, has actually impressed me with her kindness and unconditional acceptance of my beliefs. She is a Christian, and she probably attracts a lot of people because of how she actually lives, not because she condemns everyone who doesn’t believe as she does. Many Christians would do well to think long and hard about how they approach others.
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I will be at the corner of fifth and main at high noon. Bring your best ass whooping.
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@ noah / #153
that’s why the section is called “hate mail”. if you carefully review the responses, you’ll find that the vast majority of hateful, if not outright threatening, responses are from those who profess to be loving christians. if this is an indication of “love” christian-style, man, i fear for the objects of their actual hatred. oh wait a sec, that’s every other religion or belief system that’s not christian! silly me for forgetting the base intolerance that seems to be a significant contributor to christian love. my bad…
V
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“wow how idiotic and psychotic you morons are i hope the true light of christ will eventually reach you and matty its a figure of speech wow ignorance rules all of your lives”
@ #153
Boy, aren’t you right! And we can’t spell either!
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I feel I’m a good person. Not once have I ever thought about beating someone up over their thoughts, not once. I’m not religious at all. I define my own morality, and quite frankly, I feel that my morality trumps the morality of this poster. Seriously, thinking that throwing punches at someone because they believe in an innate, “all knowing” being (who happens to be made of spaghetti) will solve something?
Hey, I can see the Bible, I can read it if I want to, touch it, hold it, smell it. All the things I can equally do with a plate of spaghetti. The difference? I don’t want to beat you up over believing in something that I feel sounds better when I throw it on the fire.
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cruSADers Know what I mean, noah? (You deranged twerp.)
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Um crusaders were some of the least jesus like individuals in all of history. That is if you go with the bible’s depiction of him as pretty cool guy who encouraged love and peace for all. Noah, replying to your post about bitter hateful people on the site, I quite agree. Squiggledorf for example, who seems to be struggling very hard with his hate, and it appears, not succeding, if you look at the whole violent threats bit. Then there is the indidual who keeps posting about crusaders, people who tried to wipe out an entire way of life, that person also seems to be moved by hate and anger. I would say that I would pray for you, certainly I think kindly toward you, but “praying for you” is kind of condisending so I’ll just send my kindest regards.
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the fuct thet evil is a part of beeng a humen dos not mack it right…
i dont like christen’s how think atheist are bad person’s.. it mack me sick.
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surely you should do what jesus says because you believe it to be right.. not because he told you to?
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. Atheists say evil is just our primal nature.
When will you people realize..
WE DON’T CARE.
We don’t sit around our houses thinking about what we are going to piss you off. We just don’t believe in God we don’t go around slagging you, we get on with our lives so wherever you conjure this idea that we think you are evil from just put it back there. I disagree with your beliefs but i don’t go around preaching that your wrong. We aren’t like you, we don’t go around forcing our beliefs in other peoples mouths.
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Oh sinner that I am! I repent! I repent!
Oh Noah, you have shown me the way to the light!
Forgive my sinner’s soul!
Just kidding.
Oh, and p.s: we aren’t the ones acting bitter and hateful, Noah.
Take a look in the mirror.
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Are you kidding me? Squiggledorf the Christian? I bet he was eating his buggers the whole time he was typing that.
I noticed noah the CRUSADER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! was clever enough to correct his little *typo :(
I was hoping he’d actually receive a relevant commet
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I wonder what planet this person is form? I saw a Science Fiction mag from 1939 which had a book “Planet of the Knob Heads” this guy is from it, now as for beating the living tar I have a few things to say about that
1) Maybe they should realise that sending threats is actually a criminal offense
2) I think he would find his living tar would be kicked out of him if he tried that with me
3)Has he actually read what was being said actually Jesus would approve of many of the things being said
4) Finally he hasn’t got the point
5) He really needs the living tar beaten out of him it would do him the world of good.
6) Many Atheists are far more moral people than Christians think the Crusades, The Inquisitions and Witch hunts then there is the sectarianism. Never seen that with Atheist societies in fact the Monotheistic faiths should get their acts in order before making a fool of themselves
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Leave Noah alone, what chance of being normal did he ever have with parents who gave him that name.
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Whenever I need a good laugh I read some of the hate mail. I have noticed a few threads running thru the hate mailers, too:
1. All profess their undying love of Jebus.
2. Many want to kill followers of the One True FSM.
3. The vast majority have obviously never cracked open a Bible. They constantly misquote it or make stuff completely up.
4. Nearly 100% can’t spell or use syntax correctly, making it seem they learned English in the backwoods of some 3rd world country.
BTW, I put my mouth on one of his noodly appendages. I liked it.
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im sorry for my religous and christian zeal I AM NOT DIRECTING MY COMMENTS AT THE MAJORITY OF YOU MOST OF YOU ARE INTELLECTUAL ATHEISTS but on the other hand those of you who are making fun of my crusader comment the crusades were a defensive action towards the muslims who were trying to invade parts of spain and jerusalem
“Call me a religous fanatic,I am only a man tryng to make my way towards the afterlife” -Bill Rogma
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i would like to have a intellectual conversation with anybody who is willing to have one
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to be general, the atheists who try to piss people off purpously are the ones who are hateful and bitter not the people who want to have conversations with a christian and see what i have to say
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You praise your god with that mouth?
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Noah #199,
The Crusades were NOT defensicve actions towards the Muslims. The Crusades were the Catholic church’s attempt to consolidate thier influence through the known world by conquest. Many of the towns invaded by crusaders are recognized for some of the most brutal acts done by christians in history. Rapes, killing children and “heretics”, burning crops and villages were just a few of the atrocities the early Catholics perpetrated on the Old World. Frequently, the knights were directly involved with looting churches and delivering the loot to the Pope.
The Crusades, in the eyes of most historians, had nothing to do with the defense of Spain or Jerusalem. The most effective defender of Early Europe in that period was Vlad Tepes of Romania, one of the few rulers who directly confronted the Turkish Invaders successfully.
Most of what Christians like explain as positive actions by the Church, are really acts of power consolidation, or subjugation of the populace. My point is that Christian teachings and philosophy are in fact based in militancy and conquest, not higher purposes.
RAmen.
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noah (#191) “the crusades were a defensive action towards the muslims who were trying to invade parts of spain and jerusalem”
The First crusade was launched to take Jerusalum which was already a Muslim city at the time. Try reading up on the facts http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Crusade
Just so you know, Iraq did not have any weapons of mass destruction either.
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i do not speak to the lord that way i just talk to ignorant people like that
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Dear Noah,
In general, you are a moron with poor grasp of the English language, and “incompetently incompetent” are far as history is concerned.
I care about my afterlife too. That is why I crave beer volcanos from His Noodly Goodness. You will only have stale beer and STD infected strippers.
RAmen
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God.. i’m so tired of these posts, can they be filtered? it’s the same old story all over again and again en clearly by people who have never read the materials on the site with an objective eye. This is just another violent response of a person without any form of humor or sence and is again just plain arrogant an repulsively violent against people he doesn’t understand at all. and there are fools here to whom commit to cross-bashing wich makes those too equally low. Isn’t there anything better to do here. It’s like trowing another cat in a hen house. Just the arrogance of stuff like this.. jesus this and jesus that.. instead i’d love to read some bashing by the worshippers of Kali, or Kthulu! or someone whom seeks to avenge the allmighty Zeus! just for a little fun! i’m just to tired of stuck up christians and pastafarians having the same discussions over and over again.
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Noah. Dude. Check out the Wikipedia entry on the crusades. Note the numerous references to political aims. Note that the fourth crusade resulted in the crusaders sacking Constantinople, a xian city. Note that crusaders, upon signing up for the raping and pillaging, were granted indulgence for past sins. What a colossal load of shit – easily observed with the most rudimentary research.
The “atheists who try to piss people off purpously” are not generally among the posters on this site. On the other hand, xians atheists who try to piss people off purposefully (gentle spelling hint there, if you were watching) post stuff in the hate mail section here on a regular basis. They are fair game. Stick your hand in the fire, and you will get burned. If you want to believe some nonsense about heaven and hell and yada yada blah blah, you go right ahead. I won’t care, and I won’t try to stop you or change your mind. If you try to convince me (and many of the other Pastafsarians who routinely respond to hate mail) to buy into your fairy stories, we will eat you for lunch, with a side of linguine.
RAmen
ET
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Noah, you’re a tosser.
You wouldn’t know Christianity if it poked you in the eye.
I don’t believe in your fairy tale nonsense god but I probably understand Cheesus more than you’ll ever be capable of.
Now get yourself a dildo and relieve yourself of some of that pent up frustration you so obviously have.
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Noah what is your excuse for the Spanish inquisition and the jews that were killed because of the screwed up Christians? They weren’t taking anything over. Anyone reading some of your posts you are the typical Christian hypocrite. Praise Jesus in one sentence then act un-Christ like in the next.
Difference between Atheists and religious zealots is the fact we can think. We are good just because it is the right thing to do not because it will buy us a ticket into the “afterlife” if it exists. See we do not say it doesn’t we just want some proof. Also, I would think most atheists are better people than Christians because we don’t do it for any personal or spiritual gain.
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Dorfy please…. be human! It is ok to have christian-type-sinful impulses. Otherwise your parents would not have had intercourse and therefore you would not be around.
As for what Jesus supposedly said, you would have to determine if he ever existed at all. Instead of following rules from a guy who left no real trace on this planet, why don’t you use your brain? Forget about rules and use common sense. You do not have to be nice you just have to respect everyone.
Atheists do not “say evil is our primal nature”. We love humans! Religions tell you that everything that you are is wrong and sinful. While religions hate human nature we embrace it. So yes, we are different.
Why do you want to be ruled by your god? Do not be a slave
RAmen
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I don’t think all atheists say evil is our primal nature, that’s generalizing
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I missed the part where anything here suggested that evil was human nature, that we condone violence since we don’t believe in God, or that we were even atheists to begin with. I’m sure there’s plenty of religious people who agree that ID is shit.
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You’re all the evidence we need.
“Squiggledorf: Evolution gone backwards”
LOLOL
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Whoopsie, failed to edit out “atheists” in second paragraph, second sentence of post 208. My bad.
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i think youll find its christians who say that people are by their very nature capable of great evil. thats what original sin is, people are by their very nature imperfect, apparently because of the sins of Adam and Eve (who didnt exist)and must be saved through baptism. when i was being brought up as a catholic i was told to fight my human nature and be christ-like.
i believe that it is my actions not those of the fictional first humans that determine whether i am a good person. GOD IS DEAD
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LONG LIVE FSM AND HIS NOODLY APPENDAGES (PBUH parmesan be upon him)
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all hail the Flying Spaghetti Monster and his noodly appendages pbuh (parmesan be upon him), thankyou for saving me from my misleading and sinful catholic life
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We think preaching and intellect are two separate things, Noah, you’ve yet to justify your uninvited presence in our church, in fact.
You can’t be good at both, but you can be good at neither.
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@noah, post 200:
Unfortunately, it’s impossible to have an inteligent conversation with someone, who spits on you or calls you an idiot every time you say something that’s not included in his dogma and calls all scientific evidence “the work of the devil”, or “just testing our faith”.
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Flipper @217 -
Pbuh is correct, but that’s “Pesto be upon him”. Thank you.
RAmen
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i go through these forums for a laugh when im bored in class. it seems taht every time i come onto this forum, some asshole is harassing others for their beliefs. they must have lots of friends if their idea of fun is to go on the internet and post negative comments on a religous forum.
suck my nots you useless prick.
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Jesus, thank you for intervening and allowing me to continue to retain my tar.
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“205 – November 23rd, 2008 at – noah Says:
i do not speak to the lord that way i just talk to ignorant people like that”
Matthew 25:40
40″The Lord will reply, ‘I tell you the truth, whatever you did unto one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did unto me.’”
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So, basically this dude does not want to kick our asses because he’s imaginary friend could tell his dad to send him in hell to grill for eternity…
Therefore, you are not a nice person for the sake of being a nice person, but just to save your ass in the hypothetical raveparty-on-clouds that comes after death
This is highly selfish, sir…..
I suppose your the kind of guy that goes to church on sunday to be forgiven of being an asshole the rest of the week….
Im always amazed by the comments from these guys…absolutley no rethoric whatsoever….
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I thought it was Christianity that assumed that man was inherently evil. Hmm…I must have misunderstood. And who are you calling atheists? And why, pray tell, do you deserve congratulations for deciding not to threaten to beat a group of people up (over the internet, at that)? Seems to me you wouldn’t have to be a devout Christian, you could just be, say, a law-abiding citizen. Or, better yet, an intelligent, normal person. Oh well. I suppose as long as you decide not to threaten threaten thousands of people by beating the tar out of them via the internet, it doesn’t matter under what pretense you justify it.
rAmen.
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um…do humans have tar in them? jw plz tell me
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No, Atheists simply have different definitions for evil. We don’t say “go murder someone cause evil is instinct and uncontrollable”, well some atheists probably do but we’ll ignore them
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Then why are the majority of crimes done by Christians? :\
Atheists make up 1%. Did you know that?
(these are not randomly pulled figures, either)
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Noah, Noah, Noah.
There is no reasoning or respectable talking to you because I can guarantee three things that would automatically prevent it:
1: Your urge to convert me.
2: Your hatred of all things different than Christianity dictates.
3: Your inability to be rational, reasonable or respectable with any change from the “God Plan”.
You cannot think independently. If you could, intelligent conversation would be had, but you do not. You blindly hold yourself back by locking your life to a book that preaches some pretty horrible things and teaches values and morals that are twisted and perverted. The conversation would go a lot like this:
You: “God is the one true way to get to heaven.”
Me: “STFU you little punk and take your sky daddy with you.”
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I HAVE TAR IN ME, AND ITS ALIVE?!
PRAISE FSM FOR IT IS THE ONLY WAY TO BE SAVED FROM THE EVER LIVING TAR!
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No tar here, since I quit smoking over 24 years ago. Although, come to think of it, sailors were called “tars”, and pirates are sailors…
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“fundamental difference between atheist and Christians.”
and where does atheists not believing in a god come into the differences between the two eh? at the bottom maybe? i think not -.-
beat the living tar but jesus says u shouldnt… i think even atheists know thats wrong and they dont have little voices whispering in their ear… i think if u can hear jesus after he’s been dead this long then u need to go to a psychiatric ward… and fast! personally i am an atheist but i have salvation in the wonderful goddess that is Eris.
Hail Eris! All hail Discordia!
and FSM too…
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Noah – in response to post 200.
I am willing to have an intellectual conversation with you. You start. I will respond with the same level of respect and intellectualism that you set as the base standard.
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Rubbish
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Just a quickie here. Atheism has sparked violent conflict. Stalin did intend to impose atheism in Russia (albeit it was to further his cult of personality, make himself a god, so…), the “Cristero” wars in Mexico was a war between the religion-less (read atheist*) State and the catholic Priests, to the point of arresting people for praying.
The point of that was to say that neither theism or atheism are exempt from violence and other flaws of existence, as Gautama said (heavily paraphrasing): “shit happens”
But people have the choice to act against the bad-ness of life regardless of creed and culture (unless you are a determinist).
As to the original comment:
Holiness is not gained merely by not doing evil. I am not killing people at present and I would scarcely say that makes me worthy of eternal reward (and there’s a word that bugs me: eternal… but i digress). It is acting on goodness that gives one paradise.
And I will concede to you that there are different standards of goodness.
However I cannot see how saying “I want to kill you but I wont ’cause I am good” manages to fit in there. It displays two of the Deadly Sins: Wrath and Pride. The former as you clearly desire to inflict harm onto others, the latter as you claim purity. Not only that but by misrepresenting the other group you fail at that one again.
It would be more virtuous, one would think, to recant those words… or actually smite the non-believers (don’t do that at home (or outside of it)).
FOOTNOTE(S)
*while the state proclaimed to be free of bias to any particular form of belief it was strongly against religion (or Catholicism, which is one and the same in Mexico (overall)) happening.
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… reading through the comments I came up with some… stuff:
Um… the holocaust was not driven by religion (unless one counts totalitarianism as a religion). Albeit it was condoned by some religious institutions.
Religion does not make one a slave. Like any other social institution it is subject to multiple interpretations, thus the schisms and the variance in day-to-day practice between individuals.
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People are just simply people. Most of us don’t do bad stuff exclusively or good stuff exclusively. We just try to make it day by day. We all have a little evil (or as stated above, bad with a supernatural twist) and a little good in us. But, guess what? That is just who we all are. Whether we choose to follow through with those bad thoughts or good thoughts and turn them into actions defines us in the eyes that see us as good or bad. Remember that Hitler, Torquemada, and Emperor Hirohito all thought they were doing good things by doing what they did (killing jews, getting people to convert to catholicism by torture and death, actively attacking America). According to the common views today, those things were not so good. So, it certainly seems as though the definitions of good and bad change from time to time. After all, it was once considered good to take people from one place, sell them to others, and work them for no wages until they died. That only one group of people were far superior to others (blond-haired, blue-eyed people). And that was thought up by a man who was brown-haired and brown-eyed. Weird, huh?
I guess that what I’m trying to say is that people are people. They will do what they will do, and we shouldn’t condemn them for doing what they think is right. Maybe beat them up a little (oops! evil thought!) but not condemn them. May the Universal Life Church and the Flying Spaghetti Monster maintain a long standing peaceful (and pasta-full) relationship.
Ramen to all.
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I would beat your ass anyway.
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You want to fight about religion? You’re as bad as the bloody Taliban. you want a fight bring it on you queer.
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Oh yeah … you’re so pathetic… on the one hand you are not even understanding a little part of the things written in the bible. You don’t even understand that it’s not acting like it’s told in the bible but thinking like it… If you would understand that you wouldn’t say that you want to beat up bobby. It seem like you’re only that religious because you fear of not being allowed to enter heaven. Furthermore you’re full of steriotypes… why should a atheist not have any kind of moral? Why should a atheist not differ between wrong or right?
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not all atheists say evil is a primal nature or uncontrollable. Evil is a concept and an opinion usually dictated by the masses.
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I disagree with TRDD. Evil is defined by its nature, not by time, space, events, or people.
Now having said that, let me say this. The overwhelming majority of people are inherently good. This is true for christians and atheists alike. Society would not function if this were not true.
All people, christians and atheists alike, while inherently good are also capable of evil. Some christians are capable of great evil and some are capable of small evil. Likewise for atheists. There is no difference here. The difference is in how atheists and christians decide to control that evil or act on evil impulses.
Some christians (especially the ones who respond on this website) only control their evil tendencies because of the threat of some mythical god. Perhaps for these people, who lack some generally accepted level of maturity, it is best for all of society that they cling to their childish notions of god.
Most atheists control their evil impulses simply because they know internally to themselves that this is the right thing to do. We who do so are far superior to all the rest of you who need a god to keep you in line.
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How dare you make such accusations. If you are a follower of “Jesus” then you should be accepting of everyone no matter what. And a threat of physical voilence is not only against your rligion but also illegal in most countries and you can face as little as 6 months in jail
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Uh, yah. I attend middle school, and alot of my friends… THEY’RE PASTAFARIANS! The fact that you are threatening to beat all pastafarians is absolutely outrageous, considering some of them are kids and teenagers! Would you like to beat the tar out of me, given that I’m 12? THINK BEFORE YOU TALK UNLESS YOU KNOW WHO YOU’RE ADDRESSING EXACTLY!Our choice is our choice. Threatening to assault us is not how you get us to even consider what you’re saying! We’re not scared of you and we’re not scared of going to hell! That’s like being scared of the monsters in your closet from when you were 5! Do you have any proof your god exists? EXACTLY! I beleive in hard core fact, and until you holier-than-thou christians get me some evidence, I’m gonna take my fully functioning brain somewhere else!
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The Impaler (post 243) wrote:
“Some christians (especially the ones who respond on this website) only control their evil tendencies because of the threat of some mythical god. Perhaps for these people, who lack some generally accepted level of maturity, it is best for all of society that they cling to their childish notions of god.”
…and there it is. That’s the main reason religion should be tolerated – that and for some people it’s their main source of entertainment. Like say, professional wrestling.
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Ya gotta love the get out of jail free card. “I’m a sinner! Forgive me! I was born to fall from grace!” I suppose it’s better that squiggy believes in blackmail and extortion and responds to negative stimuli. Otherwise Squiggy’s true pathological nature would cause havoc for the rest of society.
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@B
Clayton, is that you?
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@ TheFewTheProudTheMarinara:
That’s LOL funny: Christianity on a par with professional wrestling. Awesome.
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“jesus says i shouldnt”
how do you know? he’s dead lol.
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[sigh] Tampering with a quote by Jeshua ben Joseph (aka. Jesus), “The stupid will alawas be with us”
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As we can all read,christianism is religion of love and peace isn’t it?
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Sounds good, Squiggy. Oh, can I call you Squiggy? How about Squigmeister? I’m assuming it’s all right, so here goes.
Squigmeister, I think you’ve hit upon something here. Whenever anyone disagrees with me in the future, I’m just gonna beat them into compliance. And, since I am an atheist and implicitly believe that evil is just a part of my primal nature, I’ll just give full vent to it in the future. BTW, I’m 6′4″ 235 lbs and hit the gym at least for an hour and a half every day to run, weightlift, do pilates, and I have taken boxing lessons for the last three years. Wanna do lunch and start a disagreement with me?
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Give the guy a break, puberty is a difficult time.
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I was just on the eastboro bapstist church website where there were christians preaching to them thinking it was real. what is wrong with these people cant they understand sarcasm and jokes, there again they must be pretty dumb to even go on sites like this.
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Just to point out i am pastafarian i mean they must pretty dumb to go on other websites to prove are god doesnt exist (he does exist) because they dont have enough faith in their own god.
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Well Mr. Angry homosexual, even conspiring to “beat the living tar” out of me is a sin and you will go to hell.
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There’s as much proof for God as there is the almighty FSM. You christian bitches weren’t there, how can you possibly tell me God exists just because of a book? Guess what. The Flying Spaghetti Monster also has a book. AND so does William Shatner! you mean to tell me that these equally credible gods don’t exist just because we discovered them more recently? What religion has some guy nailed to some wood anyhow? this is Why Jesus hasn’t come back. he’s so ashamed of you churchey fear-bound assholes that he just chills on Mars with Bigfoot and four-armed Grimace as they tell sex jokes and laugh at us. Thanks guys. now nobody can’t be in the J-meister’s top 8 because you thought killing the saviour was cool.
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I believe that we have an issue here. Apparently, Christians expect everyone to accept and believe in their religion, but they will not tolerate others. A lack of an open mind will be our downfall. I don’t care what you believe in, I’m sure its a fine reason to believe in something. Just don’t push your beliefs on others. You’ll receive hate. Or this rather amusing site!
And as much as I love this idea, I think i’ll stick with Jediism for the time being.
May the Force Be With You
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Congratulations for showing more control than the Crusaders. :)
Just a little note, our religion has never killed people for not believing in it. :D
Also, thanks for awarding us the ‘greatest glory’. People have pushed atheists down, burned them, hanged them, taunted them, etc. What the heck did we ever do to you? Challenge your beliefs? Sorry we had an opinion. This Religion has helped us rise above all that and become better people. We have ‘risen from each time we fell.’
Have a marvelous day!
RAmen
Jennie
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“However, Jesus says i shouldn’t, because it is wrong. Jesus says for us to control our sinful impulses and be nice people.”
When did this ‘Jesus’ speak to you?
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I manage to refrain from mass killing sprees without needing to be told by religious figures that it’s not nice. Many people do.
In fact, I would posit the theory that it may be morally superior to do right not because Jesus told me to (many serial killers say they killed because imaginary people told them to, so I prefer not to base my conduct on such things), not for the sake of heaven or avoidance of hell, but because it’s the right thing to do.
And I’d say the greatest glory would be in, after stumbling once or twice, learning from my mistakes and making a point of not falling again. Not falling constantly even though I should know better and thinking it’s fine because I’ll always rise again.
“Atheists say evil is just our primal nature.”
I have no idea where you got this conclusion from. True, some philosophers have reached this conclusion, but not all, and Atheists don’t all accept this idea, what with not being the types to simply accept an idea just because many others have. You may be thinking of original sin, which is something only VERY RARELY (caption for the hard of thinking and sarcasm-impaired: never) accepted by atheists.
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Fellow “Christian,”
The Bible also says that to simply think of committing a sin, is equal to the actual act.
See ya in hell! :waves:
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I wonder what he would say if Fedor browsed this site. Well, he probably wouldn’t know what that means, but if he did, he should cry.
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I wouldn’t mind doing the same to you, but I don’t because hey, I live in a civilized place that has laws, and morals with out God and his puppet jesus, Man kind is perfectly able to sustain morality and order, I agree the bible has some good stories, yet they remain just that. enjoy your christmas you don’t own it anymore either way. cheers.
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What else does Jesus “tell” you?
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squiggledof you agressive sod. why say you would love to beat the tar out of us and only dont because jesus tells you not to. I dont need god to tell me thats wrong. whose better?.
Another point you could try and beat me but i bet you would lose and i am English. Grow up you bile basher how much pain has your faith caused.
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Actually, we’re not atheists. FSM is our god.
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It is so hard to believe these people are for real. Honestly, it’s depressing, and they have NO sense of humor, which just makes me very, very sad for them. Happy Solstice everyone!
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Okay…
You want to beat the living tar out of me.
The only thing holding you back is some kind of spectral fear over what will happen once your dead, otherwise you would go ahead with the whup ass.
I don’t really feel like beating the tar out of you. Because that would just be silly in this situation. So I don’t.
Which of us is the better person?
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Jesus wasn’t the true Messiah because he didn’t have any spaghetti. That’s probably why his followers didn’t stop the Romans from tacking him to a stick. Who want’s a fish? What a cheapskate. This person obviously hasn’t been touched by the noodly appendages.
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Squiggledorf: sounds like something that should be seated at the right hand of His Holy Noodliness.
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If Christians don’t believe evil is our primal nature, then what is original sin?
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Do Christians still believe that their veins run with tar? Dr Nacho McDingle discovered in 2003 that human veins ran with an iron based sauce containing minute Goblins (heamogoblins) to carry much needed noodley goodness to extremities.
Do not let the vampires suck your sauce from deep within your sub-lasagne layers…It is said they are the spirits of those that died having never been touched by the noodley appendage. Pity them.
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So you’d like to beat the tar out of all of us nonbelievers? Better watch your step before you let your mouth overload your ass. Some of us are pretty big and we know how to use our dukes — although we’re normally quite gentle and harmless unless provoked. Is your faith so fragile that it can’t stand a bit of satire? Just remember, “Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent.” Isaac Asimov
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@ 273,
Eating fruit is the original sin. Had Eve chosen the linguine instead, the world wouldn’t be in this mess!
RAmen!
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“Jesus” told me to kill my fellow man because that man does not love him. Isn’t it kind of strange that a patriarchal religion that hates homosexuals is taught to love “Jesus” with every fiber of their being?
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Impaler: I equated religion with pro rasslin’ only because they’re sources of entertainment for some people I just don’t get, but if we look closer, there are other parallels.
The performers dress up in wierd costumes & go through various rituals.
Some poor souls don’t ever realize it’s all fake.
The storylines are contrived.
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It seems to me that you should drop everything you are doing, including writing threatening messages to people who have a different belief system, and immediately seek the counsel of a good psychologist. The fact that you have an innate desire to “beat the ever living tar out of each and every one of” us indicates some sociopathic tendencies, and you should really take care of that as you are clearly a danger to other people; civilized people do not go around declaring their desire to beat up random people?
Why is it that so many of the Christians that comment on this site threaten violence against us? Didn’t Jesus say something about turning the other cheek (supposedly)? Learn about your own religious lunacy before you ridicule ours!
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I have no desire to beat you up, just because we disagree.
I would suggest to you that your impulse to react violently to those who question your beliefs, is indicitive of a fundamental weakness in those beliefs. Good ideas don’t need to be forced on anyone.
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TheFewTheProudTheMarinara:
A few more similarities:
Both advocate nonsensical violence.
Both need a moderator (announcer/priest) to make sense of everything, dumb it down, and communicate it to the unthinking masses.
Both enjoy young buff men stripped down, oiled, and dressed in tights.
The Impaler
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What is up with this Squiggledorf redneck? I would love to see a motherfucker like you try to beat the living tar out of someone like me. Just give it a try, and I am going to put the Fear of His Noodly Appendage in you!
RAmen!
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I would love to beat the living tar out of you as well. RAmen!
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So you know that atheists ALL believe evil is our nature? (Because atheism is just that, you know, the belief that we are all evil, nothing to do with religion)
I hereby declare you are no longer allowed to express opinions. Ever.
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“May the LORD Jesus rule over God’s people forever Amen.
-Squiggledorf”
arent the lord’s people the Jews…sounds like you not included.
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Atheists are evil? So why is it that suicide bombers and other religions kill for what they belive in. Killing eachother over why we belive we are here…if that keeps happening, there arent going to be any people left. And why is it that alot of athiests are smarter than other people. Look at Bill Gates. And if ur some super bible humping, jesus thumping super christain, why are you using an athiest invention….the internet.
People are so dumb these days they belive anything they hear. Just cuz something is on the news, idiots belive in it. how about being open minded and think for yourself instead of living your life by a fucking book.
May the sauce be with you. In the name of the pasta, and of the sauce, andd of the holly meatballs, RAmen.
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The whole FSM thing is quite funny, but the best part of this whole mess is the replies it gets… Every Christian sending hate-mail or complaining just shows how much they miss the point, and justifies further the creation of such websites.
The point of the FSM is to denunciate the sacrifice of everyone’s freedom for a few’s beliefs that most religions have always and still do to this day impose to people. If you don’t get it, at least don’t tell everyone in a hateful fashion. You just look dumb.
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Definitely Dumb.
People like you make me want to move to Russell’s teapot. Do you really need a freakin instruction manual to tell you whats right and wrong? What about human compassion? Are we so incapable of doing good just for the good of it? Read the Bible; even by the book it was the forbidden fruit that gave Adam and Eve the knowledge of good and evil, not god, and you should be perfectly capable of knowing the right thing to do on your own.
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I am not sure if the holy FSM will be able to forgive such hate mail
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“Living Tar”?! …and this guy doubts evolution?
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Impaler: Do you think WWF is missing out by not having a priest character? He could have a staff, miter and robes and be attended to by a couple alter boys. My suggestion: The Holy Terror.
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NO we pastafarianists do not belive in evil, why are the only two choices christ or evil? i mean really, thats like saying “choose which of your kids you like best”, both choices suck, seriously, drop this us or them mentality, that shit pushes people apart, and fsm knows se dont need that now.
RAman.
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I really wouldn’t be worried about anyone going by the name of ‘Squiggledorf’ beat the living tar out of anyone…
And is it just me or does squiggling sound like something a noodley appendage would do? I think someone is in denial!
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You know what I think the difference between athetists and you?
You’re an idiot.
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OK FOR ONE THING DUDE “the greatest glory is not in never failing but in rising each time you fall.” IS A CONFUSIANIST ADAGE! YOUR GOD SAYS THAT YOU CANT PRACTICE ANY OTHER RELIGION BUT HIS! SO STICK TO HIS RELIGION AND LEAVE OURS A LONE JERKFACE!!!! THE FSM IS AN ACCEPTING DIETY AND PAYS NO HEED TO YOU CHRISTIAN FOOLS ; )!!!
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btw L2SPELL TARDNUGGET!
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I’m sorry to inform you but we are humans not tar beasts
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To put Squiggledorf’s message in a nutshell: “worship the God of Love or He’ll burn you forever”!
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SO…..lemme get this straight: if ur God said that it’s ok to beat the hell out of people and kill people, you WOULD do it? wow, u really don’t have your own moral values do you? is that why you have to refer to a book to tell you what’s right or wrong? I feel very sorry for you! Repent and come to the land of the endless tomato sauce!!!
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@TheFewTheProudTheMarinara #294,
That is BRILLIANT! Not sure it would sit well with the core consumers of professional wrestling, but were there such a character, I’d start watching.
Another similarity: they both have a Judgment Day (okay, I’ve watched once or twice.)
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Squiggledorf, you really need to just calm down a bit, let everyone enjoy their own religious beliefs and stop trying to convert people. I am happy with the church of the FSM and would like to point out that you should be content in knowing that if you are right then you can laugh at us as we burn in hell. Please conider the fact that pastafarians don’t care what others believe and are happy the waay they are.
~A Concerned Pastafarian.
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Congratulations on controlling your anger.
May you be touched by his Noodly Appendage.
RAmen
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Squiggledorf, can you really beat the living tar outta them if Jesus told u that you could? btw Christianity is the same as FSMism, both are myths that a higher being created this Earth… so seriously calm down and be concerned with your own religion rather than bitch at others…
~sum random guy who stumbled on this site and things FSM is freaking awesomely funny =D
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Why would you want to beat us up for our believes? If FSM is the wrong religion and we are going to hell anyway wouldn’t that be a punishment enough?
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Violence is part of the flight or fight instinct, but that doesn’t mean we have go around fighting people and running away from others all the time.
I’d like to think we’ve evolved past the point where we need to rely on fight or flight more than a little
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@Steve:
Because you suck (scientifically proven fact) and no.
This site is dedicated to being ignorant and hateful toward things never researched by athiests.
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Prove they’re just myths…..
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Lolla, this site is in fact dedicated to following the One True God in all His Noodly Glory.
There may be no hope for you but your children will be ours. Mwahahaha!
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