I don’t hate god. That implies I believe. I just hate people who threaten me with eternal torture.

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OK, C-ya….just don’t let the door hit you on the way out.

:-)

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Technically, you asked several questions of us, each of which were stupid.

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I do not curse your god, I simply ask for proof. And if asking that one question is enough for eternal damnation in the flaming pits of hell, then your god is an asshole.

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“I’ve tried giving evidence for God.”
– What evidence? Do you know what “evidence” means, or are you confusing it with “testimony”? Hint: people can say anything, or write anything, but saying or writing something does not make it true. That is what testimony is, but real evidence would exist and stand independently of human wishes and concerns. Your religion has plenty of testimony behind it, but no evidence.

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Lack of faith? Do you know what this is? The CHURCH of the FSM. Do your homework..

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Why oh why oh why are you so persistent? Really, how many times were you dropped on your head as a child? I’ve tried to be nice, to give as much evidence as i’m willing to spend time typing, and still loons like yourself come onto this site with your holier-than-thou bullshit. Really now, just get over yourself. Maybe you havn’t thought of this, but maybe not everybody is willing to bow down and give their love, freedom and life to a mass-murdering, egotistical, racist, sexist, slavery-promiting bastard and/or his son who has been the sole cause of many millions of deaths. I also don’t suppose you’ve thought of the fact that the idea of living for eternity with that bastard, his son and his followers sounds much, much worse than what you call Hell. It actually makes what you call Hell sound rather much like a holiday destination.
Speaking of which, what do you mean by “May Christ Jesus, The One True God…” I was under the impression that his daddy was the “One True God.” I was also under the impression that, if you hint at “God” not existing, then it’d be rather difficult for his son to exist, but, oh well! You’re the kid who grew up with an oddly flat-shaped head and a copy of the Bible for beddy time stories! I guess you just must be right, eh?
No. Just, no!

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I have one question for you…what do you gain by making us love what you love? If everything you love is in a book we “hate with all our hearts” you must have a lonely life. If you are hoping to find a friend or a real person to love, this is most likely not the right place…I suggest you try a place where you can be with like-minded people.

We don’t hate your god…we just don’t believe in your god.

And how can you NOT love sex, pleasure and mockery?

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This is fantastic! Well written, well thought out – bravo! This is a hatemail which has a legitimate point of view, and which could intelligently be debated. I think we have reached a new level.
Christain – we don’t hate you or your god. I don’t know why you accuse us of loving “sex,war,blasphemy,hate,mockery, even death”. I don’t think our organization has an official policy on any of these things. Though I suppose there’s an argument for strippers and beer volcanoes fitting into one of those categories. Yes, in your view we are guilty of blasphemy (and maybe a little mockery) – but that is because we don’t believe in your christian god, just like 70% of the worlds population doesn’t.
We believe you are deluded to believe in god. You think we are ignorant for not believing. As long as that is as far as it goes, everyone is happy and the world is good. However, when you try to push your views on us (or, to be fair, us on you) then there is an issue.
Don’t try to convert us – it is not welcome. Don’t push your morality on us – we won’t have it. Don’t try to legislate your religion (I’m thinking of the horrible anti-gay Proposition 8 that I am embarrassed was passed in my home state of California).

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I don’t hate god! How can I hate something that doesn’t exist?
What I hate is christians who are completely intolerant of anyone elses opinion, and who feel that they have the right to tell everyone else how to live! You don’t know me, you nothing about me or my life, and yet here you are arrogantly going on about the things you have offered me as if you have some right to interfere. You Don’t!
Go away!

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God will be so disappointed in you for giving up so quickly. You really didn’t try very hard.

Wait a minute – God hates sex?! What was all that “Go forth and multiply” stuff about then?? Also, how many wars have been fought in the name of God? Man has a bad habit of using gods to support their blood lust and greed – “Everything goes because I do it for god so my sins don’t count, HaHa.”

You just go right ahead, Chris and put those bible-blinkers back on and leave us to the sex and debauchery we obviously love so much.

You ask why, I say Because.

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–I’ve tried giving evidence for God.

Fail.

–I’ve tried telling you the benefits of God.

Fail.

–I’ve tried telling you the horrors of Hell.

That one was a nice try, but nothing in the Bible is worse than an average Saw film.

–I’ve tried kindness.

Once again, fail.

–I’ve tried condemning you.

You folks actually do this one quite well. It doesn’t do anything except for make us think you’re all spiteful morons, but you folks do it so well.

–I’ve tried offering you salvation.

That’s not yours to offer.

–My patience is expired with you all.

Awww… poor you.

–I have only one question for you all. Why do hate God so much,what did He do to you to make you doubt His existence.

Why do you hate unicorns? What did they ever do to you? You can’t have talked to too many Atheists and sceptics in your life if you’re still stupid to ask that question. We don’t hate God. We don’t expend that kind of effort hating non-existent entities. God didn’t do anything to piss us off. He can’t do anything at all, to piss us off or not. He’s not capable of doing things because he isn’t real! Get it through your thick skull.

–Everything I know, everything I love, is in a Book you hate with all your hearts.

I actually thoroughly enjoy the Bible. It’s an interesting piece of literature. Not nearly as beautiful as the works of Shakespeare, as entertaining as The Canterbury Tales or as gripping as Beowulf, but it’s a decent story and the King James Version is wonderfully worded.

However, if everythign you love is in the Bible, you must have a pathetic life. Do you not have family? Friends? A spouse? A pet? Sex? Chocolate? A fireplace? And I’m sure you know more than what is in the Bible. The Bible doesn’t teach you how to comment on the Pastafarian blog… so you’ve already proved yourself wrong on that one.

–My God is great,

And my dick is bigger.

–He is kind, and He is forgiving.

Yet, the Bible says that God is not kind and forgiving. He is a jealous God. He is a vengeful God. Those are in the Bible.

–Yet still, you curse Him with every word.

I do not.

–Everything He hates, you love.

Don’t tell me what I love.

–Sex,war,blasphemy,hate,mockery, even death you love!

You just told me what I love. I told you not to. However, you got it all wrong. Yes, I love sex. That’s not a bad thing. Sex is an intimate act of love. I hate war and hate and death. I never love nor hate blasphemy and mockery. I’m indifferent to them, but I don’t see the harm in them.

–All you do to me is mock me.

Have you thought that maybe you bring it upon yourself?

–You never give evidence, you only call yourselves enlightened for your lack of faith.

You never listen to the evidence. It’s easily accessible. Talkorigins.org has all you’ll need.

Enlightenment is the acceptance of reason. Reason is the antithesis of faith. So, yes, a lack of faith can lead to enlightenment.

–God warns that heathens offer freedom,pleasure,and knowledge, but they are lying.

Or maybe the people who wrote the Bible were lying and they didn’t want you to know the truth because they wanted your tithes.

–I have offered you eternal life, and you have cursed me.

Because that’s not yours to offer.

–I do not curse you, nor your choices,nor any horrid sin you do.

But you would seek to make what you call my sins illegal.

–I cry for you.

I cry that you’ve so thoroughly bought into this scam.

–I will weep in the presence of God because of you, and because i could not save of you a single soul.

Yeah… that sounds fun. Congratulations on making Heaven sound like a great place to be… a place where self-righteous and vainglorious spend eternity sobbing for the people who would rather learn about how the universe REALLY works than blindly accept Bronze Age desert dogmas.

–So, my sinful,fallen companions i leave you today with just one question. Why?

Because the evidence is on our side. Prove God and I’ll follow him. But you’ll also have to prove that your god is better than all the other gods across the world and through human history. You better get busy.

–May Christ Jesus, The One True God, have mercy on you my friends.

If that asshole really exists, you better hope that I have mercy on him!

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Does anyone have a good joke? I’m afraid this dude is about to slit his wrists.

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I guess there is not much point in responding, since Christian has already left the room. I, too, will weep in the presence of the beer volcano and stripper factory because I could not save his/her soul from stale beer, etc. I only hope that Christian will someday be touched by His Noodly Appendage and bathed in the warmth of His Sauce.

RAmen

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I bet you have no clue as to who wrote your boook. See an excellent series of videos on YouTube called ‘Who Wrote The Bible?’. Make sure you remember the questionmark at the end. It is a BBC documentary for the History Channel made by a theological Christian expert. I think you desperately need to see it.

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If you had succeeded in the first item, the rest of your post would be moot.
Still waiting for that evidence.

My lunch was evidence of some yummy noodily goodness.

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… and we also ask why?
Why do you fail to see the mission of this site? You appear to have a good grasp of the English language. This site does not hate God, in fact it is all about the freedom to worship God in any form that suits you – the very reason the pilgrims came to the New World. This site only mocks those, such as you, who vainly attempt to convince others their God is the one true form. Such vanity leads to a world of ugliness and war. It is that vanity which this site attempts to defuse, with humor instead of violence and threats. What a novel concept!

Christianity is composed of many varied denominations: Methodist, Catholic, Lutheran, Episcopalian, Baptist, Anglican, Pentecostal, Evangelical… why don’t you pick on them? Or do you? The very fact that you are trying to “save” others indicates unquestionably that you are not comfortable with your own beliefs and seeking alternative explanations. Perhaps you need to spend more time confronting your own insecurities instead of wasting your time with those of us who are content. Or perhaps it is our contentment which attracts you to this site.

May you be touched by his noodly appendage and open your blind mind to the universal ideals expressed here: tolerance, love, compassion, equality, fairness, justice… you know, stuff Jesus taught. Best of luck.

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I don’t hate god, I don’t hate anything that does not exist.
I don’t hate the bible, I believe it’s a work of fiction
I don’t love war, hate or death, you insult me.
I do like sex, that’s fun (take note wenches)
I have plenty of evidence and I’ve replied to you with it, you just ignored it.
If I’ve mocked, it’s because I do not share your beliefs. You have mocked me for mine and threatened me with eternal damnation – we’re even.
I have freedom, pleasure and knowledge – I’m not lying to you.
I do not agree with your evidence, I do not see your benefits and horrors,
I do not want your condemnation, salvation or eternal life (just a good earthly one).
I do not need your kindness, tears or your prayers (although I thank you for them). I saved myself.

Why? Because I do not believe and I have no faith. I will continue to live my life to my morals, which are not so dissimilar to the Christian values as you might suppose. Who I am is not what you see, you see evil because I do not believe, I see a man blinded to truth by his faith.

I wish you well and long life

Dan (which means courageous but is often in my case)

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We don’t hate god, we just don’t believe in him. We hate those who try and justify their stupid or hateful or bigotted, and most often greedy acts as those inspired by a higher power of which no evidence exists.
If you feel comfortable being told god did as an explanation for everything, great. But don’t try to sell it as a plausible explanation for everything to people like us who like a little proof before we offer up our allegiance.
RAmen!!!!

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Hi Christian.

I’ve tried giving evidence for God.
- I haven’t seen any.

I’ve tried telling you the benefits of God.
- I haven’t seen any. I’ve seen a few downsides to belief in god, though. Giving 10% of my money to someone who hasn’t earned it is a start. I think I’ve heard of a war or two over religion. Maybe even terrorist attacks in the name of some god or other. As a scientist, I’m especially peeved at the church for what they’ve done to science and scientists. Things like Galileo and Intelligent Design.

I’ve tried telling you the horrors of Hell.
- I’ve never seen hell. Have you?

I’ve tried kindness.
- I appreciate your kindness and the politeness of your post. I’ll try to return the favor.

I’ve tried condemning you.
- Fuck you.

I’ve tried offering you salvation.
- You have no salvation to offer.

My patience is expired with you all.
- I’m trying to be patient, too.

I have only one question for you all.
Why do hate God so much,what did He do to you to make you doubt His existence.
- God hasn’t done anything, and that’s what makes me doubt his existence. People claiming to act in the name of a god have done truly atrocious things.

Everything I know, everything I love, is in a Book you hate with all your hearts.
- The Bible is a very interesting book. I’m just not convinced it’s worth basing a life on. I’d also point out that there are plenty of other things to love in this world, like people, beaches, stars. Don’t forget yourself (no wise cracks here please).

My God is great, He is kind, and He is forgiving. Yet still, you curse Him with every word. Everything He hates, you love. Sex,war,blasphemy,hate,mockery, even death you love!
- God hates sex? They why did he make it so much fun?! And please don’t go claiming I love war. Or hate. Or death. (I love, by the way, that god hates hate.)

All you do to me is mock me. You never give evidence, you only call yourselves enlightened for your lack of faith. God warns that heathens offer freedom,pleasure,and knowledge, but they are lying.

- I would claim that god (if he existed) and the church (which certainly does exist) offers freedom, pleasure and knowledge, but is lying. Freedom, as long as you do everything they tell you. Pleasure, unless it involves something you enjoy (sex for instance). Knowledge, as long as you get it from the book they give you, which is a collection of stories from thousands of years ago, and as long as they approve of the knowledge (see rant on science above).

I have offered you eternal life, and you have cursed me.
- You have no eternal life to offer. I don’t curse you, I hope you come to see that reality is based on what is real, not an invisible friend, no matter how many people believe in him.

I do not curse you, nor your choices,nor any horrid sin you do.
- Thank you. I’ll try to return the favor. Except for the horrid sin part. I think it’s OK to curse horrid sins.

I cry for you.
- Don’t. I’m having a good life, thank you very much. I hope you are too.

I will weep in the presence of God because of you, and because i could not save of you a single soul.
- And I weep for you right here, and right now, for wasting your life chasing a dream that doesn’t exist. Let me know if there’s anything I can do to help you get over your delusions.

So, my sinful,fallen companions i leave you today with just one question. Why?
May Christ Jesus, The One True God, have mercy on you my friends.
- Saving the name calling for the end, huh? I find it repugnant to call good people sinners when the only ’sin’ they committed was not believing in YOUR god. Presumably you’d feel the same about a Jew, Muslim, etc.

In brief rebuttal, there’s no evidence for a god, church’s can do horrible things, thanks for trying to save me but I think it’s you who need saving, and you can’t prove a negative (kinda the basis of this site, god is a flying spaghetti monster, and you can’t prove otherwise). That’s why.

Erik

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“Christ Jesus, The One True God…”

Don’t you mean Christ Jesus, The One-Third God?

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Guess he wasn’t kidding when he said that he would be back to the site. At least this time it’s worth arguing with him. Let’s see, where to begin?

First of all, you seem to have a problem distiguishing between people who don’t believe in you god and people who hate your god and some that do both. I, for one, fall in the last category. I don’t believe in your god nor do I particularly like him or his followers. They set impossible rules to live by that no one can live up to and then make people feel guilty for the rest of their lives when all they did was act as they are. Human.

That’s right, I am human. Guess what? So are you! The one principle that most Christians seem to have forgotten is “Everything in Moderation.” I believe I have the right to my pride. I’m an artist and I’m proud of the artwork that I do. I don’t push it everyone’s face, but I am proud. And on my Saturdays, I sleep in until noon. You can call it sloth, I call it a well deserved rest. These are human things and to believe someone will burn in hell for them speaks of a god that has no love. Sex and pleasure are things that should be respected for the beautiful things they are. Of course, always in moderation.

Your god and your bible have been a plague on this planet. They’ve destroyed so much and killed so many. Yet here you stand, telling me how loving your god is. Christians can’t even give food to third world countries without forcing a bible down their throats. Yes, that certainly speaks of love and kindness.

My mother once told me that she felt sad because one day, when she died, she would go to heaven and never see me again. Because I would be burning in hell since I didn’t go to church. I had never so much as missed a day in school and here I was, being condemned to hell. At that time I still believed in your god, but I never went church because I was never raised in a church. My parent’s never went when I was growing up. When I went off to college, my mother found a church and she expected that after 20 years of raising me outside the church I should just jump up and start going. My life should have revolved around the church. Since I didn’t, I’m going to hell. Not becuase I’m bad person, but becuase I didn’t dedicate two hours every week listening to someone tell me how to live my life better. I was an excellent student, a good daughter and good girlfriend. My mother has the audacity to tell me that I’m going to hell after she’s had an abortion!

Of course, her telling me that dinosaurs aren’t real put everything in perspective. She honestly believed that dinosaur bones were planted by scientists to justify their theories of evolution. Needless to say, I rarely believed any of her nonsense after that.

I will not tolerate the forced teachings of the christian faith. Your hipocracy has spread an illness across this planet. Forcing people to their knees, making them feel worthless when they should be celebrating their lives. Go back to your church and rot there. Heap yourself in guilt and pray that your next life brings even more guilt for the way you’ve lived. Leave me and all others opposed to your vile teachings the fuck alone. We’ve been offered your pathetic attempt at salvation on more than one occasion. We will not be turned from our path. Your arrogance to think you can do otherwise is laughable.

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I am not here to debate the letter above. One commenter made mention that this letter was worthy of an INTELLIGENT debate. It is not.

That being said, I would like to pose a question to you, Christian. Do you believe in Santa Claus? Like God, his story is passed down through the generations by means of written tales and then reinforced by those close to you. However, at some point during childhood most lose faith in this mystical figure and accept the realization that Santa Claus does not exist. Yet, the joy, spirit and, of course, the gifts that Santa Claus represents continue to be present in these people’s lives. The same can be true for your religion. As a kid I was told that there was a God, I was baptized and I went to Church. During my time in college I realized that I was doing these things out of habit and not out of faith. It was at this point in my life that God, my imaginary friend from my childhood, no longer existed for me. I began to make something of myself without the help of God. I succeeded where others though I would not and I continue to employ reason in every aspect of my life. I can actually say that I am happier today than I was with God in my life. Thinking rationally has allowed me to make sense of my life and all that I wish to achieve during it.

You pray for me but I fear for you, Christian. I fear that you will live the rest of your life praying for love and happiness rather than going out and achieving in on your own.

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What evidence have you given about the existence of God? The bible is NOT incontrovertable evidence of God! Show us something concrete. Get Him to do an interview with Larry King or something. We’ve been trying to get this point thru your thick skull: One side of a tale does not make a whole! You have no more proof of God than what you say. You say read a Bible and yet you can’t even quote from it. You just babble.

Benefits of God, like what? Don’t squalk about Heaven and living forever like some dumb parrot! Everyone in this forum has had their own experience with believing in whatever. Is it enough for you to allow people to make up their own minds. NO! You want to close your mind to science and free speech, so why can’t we close our minds to your rantings? From the responses you’ve gotten, you can tell that we hear you; but you don’t want to hear us! Don’t command us to believe what you do!

We don’t hate God, WE LOVE THE FSM!! He shows us love in a manner that your god doesn’t. Grandma says:”The way to a man’s heart is thru his stomach.”, and that’s the FSM.
The problem is that you typify what drove me from that christian bullshit so many years ago. You talk from both sides of your neck! God is a god of love, unless he hates you because you’re gay, drink, smoke, have sex, say GODDAMN, don’t go to church on Sunday, ask questions of faith… DON’T FOLLOW THE FUCKING MEME!
Christians want you to choke on their dogma, smother you with it. Even something as useless to christianity as evolution becomes a threat because it’s people not thinking and believeing the way that they do. You can’t even be a honest christian(Christ-Like); trying to love everyone irrespective of whether you agree with them or not without being silenced. YOU KNOW I’M TELLING YOU THE ABSOLUTE TRUTH!
Your religion’s founder walked around, not saying all the vile shit you’re been blogging, but trying to convince a bunch of anal priests to be more accepting of people and ideas. He got nailed to a tree for being nice. They showed him! Your Jesus wanted his followers to open their minds and christians ever since have been back pedalling. Christians don’t want to do anything but hate non-believers, and subjugate the children into like-minded zombies. No room for debate or compromise. No room for science and evolution. No room for questions of faith. No real answers about life. No room for me!

I don’t care about eternal life, unless its fun! I don’t care about God, unless he’s all inclusive. I don’t care about religion, unless it really does the job of enlightenment, and peace. You dare talk about how God loves so much and in the same breath say: “Everything He hates…” If your God hates, I want no part of him.

OR YOU!
May His Noodly Appendage touch you in the future and drop the scales from your eyes. Don’t let the door hit you in the ass on the way out!

RAmen!

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“I am now convinced that children should not be subjected to the frightfulness of the Christian religion. … If the concept of a father who plots to have his own son put to death is presented to children as beautiful and as worthy of society’s admiration, what types of human behavior can be presented to them as reprehensible?”
—Ruth Hurmence Green.

Given a choice of spending eternity in heaven as a slave to someone that tortures and turns his own child into a zombie, and a heaven of beer volcanoes and stripper factories, well, that’s an easy choice, and I don’t even like beer. I’ll ask The Almighty to use His miraculous noodly appendage to make a root beer volcano for me. And he’ll do it, because he’s a lot nicer than your god.
RAmen.

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>I’ve tried giving evidence for God.
>I’ve tried telling you the benefits of God.
>I’ve tried telling you the horrors of Hell.
>I’ve tried kindness.
>I’ve tried condemning you.
>I’ve tried offering you salvation.
>My patience is expired with you all.

You tried all those things? Man, and I didn’t even notice until now! I don’t think you’re very good at evangelizing. If I were you, I’d try a different hobby, like maybe surfing or something.

>Sex,war,blasphemy,hate,mockery, even death you love!

Just like Yoda you talk.

>All you do to me is mock me.

Hehehe. Noticed that, did ya? Come on–you’ve got to know you’re just begging for it…

>May Christ Jesus, The One True God, have mercy on you, my friends.

Sounds like John McCain with the “my friends” bit.
By the way, I thought it was Jesus Christ, not Christ Jesus. So is it Mr. Jesus or Mr. Christ?

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Wait, wait, wait….

I was going to go on a long, pirate-themed tyrade not understanding that when he said “God”, he actually didn’t mean the Flying Spaghetti Monster, but I came across this line:

“God warns that heathens offer freedom,pleasure,and knowledge, but they are lying.”

…and it was so moronic, I had to stop.

Christian: REALLY? God says that freedom, pleasure, and knowledge are lies? Care to site something there? Does this mean that God (and ergo, you) are against freedom, pleasure, and knowledge, as they are what are offered by heathens? Is that why you are so against freedom of thought and belief, and knowledge of how things actually work? That may explain a whole lot of things about you, matey.

Good luck, Xtian, I hope we don’t keep you up at night. Meself, I’m going to partake in some worshop services: A nice bowl of Udon with a cold beer. Ah…

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Bye, bye.

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BBBAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW

Go home.

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you tried giving evidence for God…

unfurtenetly you faild, dont feel bad, no one have never manedg to do that.

and i dont hate you’r god… hawe can i hate samthin i belive dose not exist??
he havent done anythin to me… havent done anythin to any one cose he jast cant… he dose not exist!

I love sex bat so do god… isnt it the biggest commandment in the bible?

I find it arrogant to say if we do not belive in your god we automatically love wat,hate,mockery and death.
you dont know me and i think i have the right to tell you to fuck off fore saying i love this things.

i have to point out thet i like the bible.. it tells you so much abawt ancient time’s as long as you dont take it as fuct’s or history…
it hase bine ritten by ppl… and that is what make it intresting.

i am sory we havent been able to convince you, my one day his noodlnes will show you the way!
RAman

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Christian, why, oh why, do you hate His Lordship the Flying Spaghetti Monster?
We have tried to reason with you, we have tried to preach to you, we have warned you about STD infected strippers-nothing seems to work. What did His Noodliness do to you to make you reject His call to faith? What should he do to convince you he exists?
Everything we love is in the Gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, but you hate them all: pasta, sauce, meatballs, even beer you hate. You are so blinded to the world around you, that you don’t have a clue of the warmth of the touch of His Noodliness. His Noodliness is love and hope in the purest form, and he sent us Bobby Henderson, but you respond by hating him. If only you open your heart The Truth will shine like a thousand suns.
I am frustrated with you Christian. You seem to be a lost cause.
PS: Patronizing trolls like you are always welcome. No time is a bad time for a few laughs.

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Why do (you) hate God so much?
Numbers 31
In this passage we see your loving God ordering genocide. But the foolish Israelites… so wayward in the their thinking, had the audacity to not kill the little children and the women, because as much as man holds the ability to temper his own wrath with humility and kindness, God does not indulge in such foolish weaknesses. So God orders their death, except for the women and female children who had not been deflowered. So every woman captive (upwards of a couple thousand) were publicly probed and humiliated to see if their hymens were intact. If they were not, well… execution. But that may not have been so bad considering the alternative; being divided amongst the booty and sold into slavery. Considering the condition of slavery and the position of women in the early centuries BC, death may have proved the superior fate. Those poor little innocent girls who watched the muders of their parents, brothers, and sisters, were sold into slavery for all the days of their lives. (10% might I add went to the Levites, the priests, for that was God’s portion of the booty [pun intended])

All of this and more at the command of God. So forgive me if sometimes I happen to call God’s moral sense into question, I still have a soul (Not really, it’s fake, a metaphysical construct for the purpose of this post, but so is God. So I guess no harm, no foul… right?)

“(W)hat did He do to you to make you doubt His existence(?)”

Not so much as what (h)e has done, but that which (h)e hasn’t.

Have a wonderful day and I’ll keep you in my prayers.

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You got me Christian. I DO love sex. Blasphemy isn’t too bad either.

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Christian,

I don’t hate your god. I don’t think your god exists, so I can also not hate him. Condemning me makes no sense – I don’t think your hell exists. Heaven: dito.
As for your proof… you have no proof. You can not ’show’ that your god exists, and I can not proof that he doesn’t. But the burden of proof is on you. Do you believe MY god, the Flying Spaghetti Monster exists? Why not? The answer to that question is also my answer to why I don’t believe in your god.
Oh and read your bible – your god is not that kind as you like to believe.
All of my best wishes,
Theo

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Christian,

Are we really the first group of people you have encountered that do not live by the Bible? Really? The majority of humanity is non-christian, so you really need to get used to it; otherwise, you are in for a lot of unnecessary grief in your life. Even if you don’t like us, I’m glad that you have taken the time to try to understand us; that’s the first step towards tolerance of other people. Also, for all our indignation, we are not going cause you any real harm, no matter how insulting you were towards us; there are some other religions out there that cannot make the same claim. RAmen, and may blessings of pasta be upon you.

-Sarah

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Looks like someone needs a ride on the WAAAAAAAAAAmbulance!

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I clock you out at 3 days. Now thats perseverence. Thanks for playing.

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Hi Christian,

Just wondering… do you hate Zeus, Hermes, Apollo, Loki, Baal, Frigg, Odin, Ra, Thor, Aphrodite, Neptune, Ares, Athena, Ceres, Baccus, Vesta, Hathor, Osiris, Isis, Anubis, Siva, Vishnu, Parvathi, or Saraswathi? Do you fear them? Probably not. And neither do I.

There is a lesson here. Think about it, think really hard, and perhaps you will come to the same conclusion as I have…

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Christian – now you’re just being a twat, its extremely simple, religion is a delusion, yes its been around a long time but other ones you don’t believe in have been around longer.

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I don’t think God would ever appear on Larry King. He strikes me as more of a Bill O’Reilly kind of deity.

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Christian,

I don’t hate your god. I can’t hate something that does not exist. On the other hand, I love spaghetti!

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are you offering eternal life?? do you even know what that means? does it mean that people like you or like me will be present as god is now? well then… hell yeah… ill take that eternal life…. great ego booster, who doesnt want a war in ones name… i think you just saved me…mmmmmmm …. coming to think about it… no thanks i dont want wars in my name or, for that matter, in any make believe creature, deity, or whatever you consider is described in the book that you love, ill take my life, enjoy it, and die, as will every other living creature in this planet, including you, and the six bishops who compiled your book in the 13th century as they thought it made more sense to control the minds of christians, like yourself

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You think we’ve never heard of God before? You think we haven’t heard all your ramblings before? Most of us here want freedom FROM religion.

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Wow.
If you spend any time crying over us, you’re pretty pathetic.

And your God is not “great, kind, and forgiving”. He is jealous, vengeful, and wrathful. He spends a good portion of that Book of yours killing off people that don’t please him.

And why do you even CARE?
It isn’t your personal mission to save everyone in the world. I think you need a reality check.

Also, blasphemy is an unforgivable sin, and by associating with blasphemers in any way you are guilty by association.

So you can have a good time in your Christian Hell as we party in our Pastafarian Heaven with beer volcanoes and strippers :]

–KatieBug

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Cheer up Christian – I’m sure that your all-powerful, all-knowing and loving benevolent God can save us even if you can’t.

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Yaaar. Me thinks he dost protest too much. Perhaps he do question his own faith? Me advice? Have some spaghetti and stfu.

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These Christians do give up easily don’t they?

Why? …Because your god was beaten by one who does not exist…and that’s why we worship him. May you be touched by his noodly appendage.

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“Everything He hates, you love. Sex,war,blasphemy,hate,mockery, even death you love!”
Sex? What the fuck is wrong with you? Sex is essential.
War? Obviously God doesn’t understand us well enough. War is just about unavoidable.
And hate? What a hypocrite God is if you indeed speak the truth!

If you think you can speak for God, you’re a dumbass. Sorry.

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A = “My God is great, He is kind, and He is forgiving.”
B = “May Christ Jesus, The One True God, have mercy on you my friends.”

If A = true and B = true then
I_should_be_OK = true
endif

RAmen.

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To my fellow Pastafarians –
Once again I am humbled by my association with what I consider to be one of the most enlightened groups of thinkers on the planet. I love you guys. In the non-blogging portion of my existence, I associate with the General Public, AKA the Great Unwashed Horde. The instances of utter devotion to imaginary ideas and preposterous concepts are legion – it makes me wonder how the race has survived this long. But then I return to this site, and I positively glow when I read the comments of educated people, people who actually pay attention to the world around them. It’s enough to make me think that there’s still some hope for humanity. FSM shine on you all, may your beer be never flat and may your strippers be the most skilled lap-dancers.

Oh, and Christian? I have no idea where you got all that stuff you accused us of, but it sure wasn’t from anything anyone said in response to your myriad ravings around this site. One of the things your god frowns on is lying – that bearing false witness thing, remember? I strongly recommend a healthy dose of reality. You’d be amazed.

RAmen
ET

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Yawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwnnnnnnnnnnn…

Obviously Christian hasn’t tried enough since we’re all still part of the great unwashed. How disappointing your efforts have been, Christian…you must not be doing something right. I mean, if people all over the world are being drawn into Christianity every day, what’s up with you, Christian? Your batting average in this ballpark appears to be .000. Why are you falling so far short, hmmmm? How many times have you failed your God today?
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What I find especially interesting is this reflexive need that Christians seem to have to prevent the rest of us from going to Hell, even though it doesn’t affect them in the least if we go there or not. Think about it…have you ever seen a “true believer”, a hard-core Evangelical, say, “Oh, you’re going to Hell? Well have fun, bucko! Don’t let Satan’s gate hit your ass on the way in! No skin off my nose!”
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And to quote Denis Leary: “And you know what Hell is, folks…it’s Andy Gibb singing ‘Shadow Dancing’ for EONS and EONS…and you have to wear orange plaid bellbottoms, and you have to sit next to the Bay City Rollers. ‘How’re you guys doing, this is gonna SUCK!!!’” Well, if we are going to Hell, at least we’ve got great people like Richard Nixon and Jerry Falwell making the place nice & spiffy for us.

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He was being serious…? What a loser.

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dear St Jason
you have no right to the holy title. And God said they OFFER it. They say they have freedom and fun and no rules,easy living. But they are lying. Are you honestly happy just cruising through life have sex and drinking beer and making fun of christians. I’ll give you that most christians don’t live up to God’s standards. And ill give you that sometimes were a bit preachy. I’ll even give you that i’ve been a bit vain and prideful in my conversations with you all. All im saying here, all im trying to get across, is that Jesus loves everyone, and all He asks in return is that you return the favor by loving Him and following His commandments. If your so disappointed with Christian morality, why not trying being a better christian than they are, who knows they might catch on. I’m sorry if I’ve been ranting at you all, i really meant no harm. All i want is for you to sit down and say to yourselves “you know, this God person isn’t half bad”. All our doctrines and scriptures and even our code of morals revolves around that one point. Not to say they aren’t important, but the most important thing anyone can do is say that God exists, God is the biblical God, and God loves all those who love Him and tries to make those who don’t love Him do. If that simple message of Godliness and Christianess offended you, then I’m sorry for wasting your time. May Christ give you happiness in all days, Amen, yes verily so, Amen.

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Some of you could lighten up a bit on Chris. I mean really. If you took a baby from a crib and got it addicted to heroin, would you chastise the kid when it grew up as a heroin addict?

This is no different.

Good luck with your addiction, Chris. Many of us are cheering for you to pull out of it.

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my opinion is this religion is thinly disguised philosophy
as such it must be viewed as such even spagetti monsterism
i agree with spagetti monsterisms attitude: none of the holier than thou bull shit
Any belief adopted is unique and possibly sacred to a person and i can’t refute them. if i told you water was making me live forever you could tell me in a million different ways it isnt but it is i who must refute and change my idea
Now this doesnt mean their shouldn’t be debate between beliefs but their should be respect.
I have listened to people rattle on about differnt ideas and beliefs some of my friend tell me how the world series was going to end even though i disagreed i listened out of respect for my friend and the possibility he might bring up an axiom that would change my view (did i use axiom right it doe’s seem to be a bit of a strech if not (he might have said something that would change my mind))

mythology started as a way to explain what they couldnt explain the poportion of myths that started to explain things that were understood is poportionately less
I see mythology as a way to cope with things people didn’t understand and one of the creations of mythology was gods and with gods came religion.
and science has found explanation for things that were once attributed to god/gods/goddesses
i believe fact and reason above religion but that doesn’t mean i give up on the positive ideals that have been created and maintained for thousands of years

anyway just try and respect peoples ideals and don’t kill yourself trying to convince us mindless refutes have no place whatsoever bring up arguments plead but don’t tell me i am wrong beacause i don’t agree

I am not a pastafarian (big grin) I cannot imagine ever worshiping spagetti i am fairly new to the site i am enjoying its humor and the odd genius it expresses I am not sure how literal it was meant.

so i ask do you really believes in a flying spagetti monster or do you just agree with the ideas that have been set up i may join the forum not as a pastafarian but as philosophic mind

(Alright this is an end note feel free to give your comments on this post i am poised for criticism as this is the most controversial thing i have ever written i will listen to your ideas but if you try and get me to worship spagetti I will think your a dumbass this is something i am pretty sure you won’t be able to change my mind PLEASE EXCUSE GRAMMER ONLY A NINTH GRADER)

hey your done reading stop it

stop reading

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WOW Christian you give us so quickly. Proof enough your god doesn’t exist. But whether he does or not is irrelevant. We don’t hate god. No one on says that. We disklike pompous jerks like yourself, coming to this site blasting us because we don’t agree with you. You see we all are secure with our faith and have no need to go to your churches or websites and condem you for your hypocrisy. You can still become a memeber here. The FSM loves all, even warped people.

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Yada, yada, yada.

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Funny…..I can picture Christian sitting in the dark at his tiny computer desk in his dorm room, cluttered with bibles, pamphlets, and religious regalia, squishing a twinkie in his boney white fist in anger as he fumes in anger in the glow of his computer screen. At least he ain’t masturbating…..I think :(

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If god hates sex, why did he make it our only means to continue our species?

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Welcome back Christian, I see you enjoyed our site enough to return once again.
I’m tired of you telling people who don’t think like you that we are sinners, that we hate you and that we hate god. I don’t enjoy hate, much less war and death. But plenty of people who call themselves Christians seem to though. But that’s none of my business, and my beliefs aren’t your business either.
If Jesus existed, it was not as the savior of man, and I most certainly don’t hate him. If anything, he was an extremely gifted teacher, with a good speaking ability. My only biff with Jesus is that he keeps claiming to be God’s son, but to be honest, I’m pretty sure that that was added later. I could be wrong, I wasn’t around then.
Your faith began fairly recently, after Judaism, after Buddhism, after Hinduism, yet you claim to be the only purveyor of truth. If your piece of fiction, which might I add, has little to no basis in fact (i.e. miracles, resurrection, 6 days of creation,)had all the answers, then the world wouldn’t be hungry, war would be null and void, communism could function, and Sean Hannity would be in prison. Unfortunately, these images of perfection have not yet been attained, and probably won’t.
Sex, pleasure, knowledge, all sound like pretty good aims to me. Sex isn’t debauchery in moderation, it’s a joyful experience between two (or more, none of my business) people who both agree to the act. Pleasure makes life enjoyable. The God you present doesn’t seem to be into making life enjoyable. Knowledge allows us to speak about issues with the backing of fact, to be confident in truth based on reality. Knowledge has provided many wonderful conversations between many great people. If God forbade knowledge in the garden of Eden, then i think I would be more happy here then in Eden. I enjoy knowledge and acquiring more of it.
Humanity doesn’t need a savior. If we needed outside help from a God based on our natural tendencies, then he would’ve come by now. I take pride in believing I can do good without the will of god behind me. I enjoy making decisions based on how it will affect a good life now as opposed to a good life after I die.

In summation:
I don’t hate your god, I don’t believe he exists.
I don’t hate the bible, but I don’t take it as fact or viable evidence to what you claim.
War sucks, so does dieing. I don’t love those, but I do love sex, love, knowledge and pleasure.
I don’t want you to cry for me. You have better things to do with your time.
And I’m tired of you telling me I’m wrong. You don’t know me. Fuck off, and espouse your propaganda on Hell somewhere else.
RAmen

Patrick

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When I say that the savior would’ve come by now, I meant so would the benefits, which haven’t happened, and I don’t think will.

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Christian, you’re not very bright.

What did god do to us for us to doubt his existence? Nothing, obviously.
Had he done anything we would not have been able to doubt his existence.

As for us loving hate, war and all things you consider bad, how do you come to this conclusion? We are against war and hate. I believe the odd Christian or two has been quite keen on war though. Hate seems to be right up their street too.

Your own god seems to get a fair bit of pleasure out of death as well if the old testament is anything to go by.

Check out our book and see if you can find any smiting, killing of innocent children and general atrocities that today would be considered genocide. You won’t find any.

But I do know a book where the main character, a fella with very low self esteem who calls himself god commits all these disgusting crimes against humanity. Can you guess what book I’m talking about?

You see, the problem with halfwitted religious types is they only want to take the bits of their religion that suits them, rather than take the whole deal on board. And who can blame them when you look at how awlful the whole deal is? We don’t have that problem as there is no hate in our book.

Also, what is it with Christians and a lack of a sense of humour? Your god must be very dull company (unless you find smiting fun). The FSM at least has a cheeky sense of humour as can be seen by His interference in scientific tests with His invisible Noodly Appendages.

You’re going to be very disappointed when you kick the bucket to find…nothing.;-)

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seriously, i’m tired of “christians” talking down to readers. as a fellow christian, i don’t think that kind of tone works with real people with real problems. any such attempt will only be met with disbelief and mocking. because of you and people like you, “the lost” are learning to reject the truth instead of accepting it.

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Mitch (Post number 22). You are awesome!

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“I have offered you eternal life, and you have cursed me.”

Damn.
Does that mean I missed my chance to be a flesh-eating vampire who worships a zombie?

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@ “Christian”

Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. You’ve only read the three pages of the Bible your preacher pointed out to you, haven’t you?

Protip: Actually learn about your religion before you preach at people about it. You might end up quite a bit less “faithful” after a quick gander at Leviticus or some of the things Jesus tells his followers to do.

@ “Mitch”

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Your name is Mitch but you say you were a good daughter and girlfriend I am confuesed. fffffffffffffff

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Oh Christian. I really do feel sorry for you. It must be absolutely terrible to know that there is another world out there that is not kept out of sight and out of mind for all those people except you. To realize that you will never feel the joy of having a beautiful wench on your lap and a fresh cold beer in your hand. To have the commeradery (sic) of free thinking friends. To be able to learn about anything you want to without fear of reprisals. It saddens me a lot. You have the absolute belief that all the tiny bit you know is all that you need to know. So shallow. The world is a vast and marvellous place, Christian. You would be well advised to learn about as much of it and it’s peoples as you possibly can. You say you have offered us proof. I’ve read every one of your posts and as of yet have not seen anything approaching proof. I don’t even think you have an inkling of what proof is. Proof is something someone can see and touch. It has to be tangible. I can prove a pencil exists because I can poke you in the eye with it. For me, I need hard and fast proof that God exists in order for me to take you seriously. I’ve got an idea. How about you get your God to come and visit me; sit on my sofa, share a beer or two and then take me to a point in space so I can see the entire universe that he supposedly created. Then I’d like to see some other intelligent lifeforms on other planets. Then a real miracle. Like maybe get the Toronto Maple Leafs to win the Stanley Cup. That’s a hockey thing in case you don’t know. After that, then I’d say your God exists because I would have had proof. I would also like to be able to ask him a bunch of questions; the first being, “Why do you allow people with an I.Q. of less than 90 to breed? Are stupid people really all that necessary?” Of course he would answer with a yes. “Who else what follow me?”
Sorry, but I had too. Your religion is run by liers and scam artists. You tele-evangelists should all be shot. The amount of money they suck out of poor stupid people is simply staggering. If that money was instead used to help the homeless and hungry instead of being totally wasted on huge mansions and fancy cars I would have at least some respect for your religion. Not much but some. And another thing. Explain to me why so very many of your Priests Have this perverted thing for sexually abusing young boys. This happens a lot and you don’t see very many of the Priests getting punished the way they should be. Shot and pissed on is just a start. If your faith is as strong as you say it is I propose a test. I think you should Google the movie Zeitgeist. After that, go to youtube and check out ht History channel’s program “Who Wrote the Bible?” I doubt that you will though. You’re probably too afraid to find out just exactly how strong you faith is.

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Christian,

Have you read the bible? Both the old and new testaments? Do you know what you’re talking about? Or are just parroting what other religious people are saying?

If you have read the bible, which I don’t think you have, I would hope that you would be disgusted by that drivel. So, start from the beginning and read the old and new testament. Then you will see why we want nothing to do with your “god”

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I’ve tried giving evidence for God.
I’ve tried telling you the benefits of God.
I’ve tried telling you the horrors of Hell.
I’ve tried kindness.
I’ve tried condemning you.
I’ve tried offering you salvation.

My God is great, He is kind, and He is forgiving
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1) Sorry, other than your bible, there is no evidence of “god”

2) What benefits? I don’t see any. Nor would I want to give up my freewill for any benefit.

3) If “god” loves us and forgives us, then what is the purpose of hell? Your “god” is like a child, who wants something so badly, and if he doesn’t get it, he throws a temper tantrum. Seems very mature to me.

4) You tried to show us kindness and then condemnation? Again with the maturity factor. That’s like saying: “Awww please accept Jesus, he loves you. What? You don’t! Then FUCK YOU!!! You are going to burn in HELL!!!” Can you see why we don’t take religion seriously?

5) You tried to offer us salvation? Why do you think we need it? In return, we’d like to offer you rationality. Try it, it’s fun.

I do not hate your “god” as there is no evidence that your “god” even exists. What I hate is the concept of “god” according to all the religious scriptures. Books that were created thousands of years ago by superstitious men, who did not know anything or any better. We as a species are learning so much about the universe, our planet, all the forms of life and ourselves. I hate to see any knowledge retarded by scribblings of superstitious men.

Don’t you think that if there was a “god”, that “god” would want us to grow mentally? Wouldn’t you think he would want the best for us, without getting in our way? The “god” in the bible is always killing and subjugating humans. Would you really want to bow down to a “god” that would torture you forever, if you did not accept him? To me that is abuse. Have you ever heard of the Battered Wife Syndrome? Look it up. Your “god” and all the people in the bible would make a great case study on the subject.

The best thing you can do is think for yourself. Your “god” tells you not to think, but to follow blindly.

So, does that answer your question of “why?”

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What is this evidence of which you speak?

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OK, Christian, the real problem here, is that we can’t help you. We can’t give you the acceptance, reassurance, and affirmation you’re looking for; just as we’re not responsible for your rage, your pain, and your fear. We’re just something convenient for you to focus it on. There is no communication, here; just ranting. It may make you feel better, but ranting at people is rarely an effective way of reaching out to others.
So, rant on, Christian. But when you eventually get tired of failure and rejection (we can hope, after all), try this: go to Wikkipedia and read everything you can find there about ‘logic’.
It won’t make a huge difference. It won’t change anything. It certainly won’t change your mind. It will, however, give you some basic tools for communicating with others without sounding like a fanatical looney.
Good Luck.

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Goodbye Christian. Remember not to eat rock badger should you be offered any. They are unclean!

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“I’ve tried giving evidence for God.”
You failed. There is none.

“I’ve tried telling you the benefits of God.”
Non-existent benefits are no better than a total lack of benefits.

“I’ve tried telling you the horrors of Hell.”
And I’ve tried to tell you, if you don’t put your toys away, the boogeyman will take them.

“I’ve tried kindness.”
Shouldn’t that be your one and only method?

“I’ve tried condemning you.”
Need I say more?

“I’ve tried offering you salvation.”
It’s been offered me before. I wash my hands of such silliness.

“My patience is expired with you all.”
Oooooh!

“I have only one question for you all.
Why do hate God so much,what did He do to you to make you doubt His existence.”
He didn’t do anything, that’s the point. An existing God ought to do stuff.

“Everything I know, everything I love, is in a Book you hate with all your hearts.”

It’s a loathsome book. If you read it without slanting your mind, you’d see that.

“My God is great, He is kind, and He is forgiving.”
Not in your bible.

“Yet still, you curse Him with every word. Everything He hates, you love. Sex,war,blasphemy,hate,mockery, even death you love!”
He created the universe didn’t he? Why are those concepts possible? Why are they even conceivable? It’s downright silly.

“All you do to me is mock me. You never give evidence, you only call yourselves enlightened for your lack of faith.”
We constantly give evidence. You have never given a shred. Faith is no virtue. It is a synonym for gullibility.

“God warns that heathens offer freedom,pleasure,and knowledge, but they are lying.”
No, the founders of your cult warned that. They knew smart people existed, so they wanted to discredit us.

“I have offered you eternal life, and you have cursed me. I do not curse you, nor your choices,nor any horrid sin you do. I cry for you. I will weep in the presence of God because of you, and because i could not save of you a single soul.”
Spare me your pity, I have no need of it. Besides, do you really want to live forever? That’s a really bloody long time.

“So, my sinful, fallen companions i leave you today with just one question. Why?”
Because I have a rational mind. I am not fooled by cult trickery. I am convinced only by evidence. The evidence is against you, my friend, and I pray you will find his noodleyness before you are doomed to a heaven with a slightly stale beer volcano, and strippers less pleasing to your eyes.

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Wow…you have some messiah complex.

Lines 1-4 = epic fail.

All this stuff about mocking you… well… you are actually mocking us (well, our GOD, our belief system, our principles, some people personally, scientific evidence), so we’re just returning the favor. And, well, if with every word out of your mouth comes a great deal of crap out, well, you deserve to be mocked. Sorry, that’s just the way things are.

Oh, and how in the world did you figure out that we love WAR? Or death for that matter. I don’t like war, but christians seem to enjoy it, if it’s “for a good cause (like spreading religion…their religion ofcourse”)”.

As for death, who’s more fond of it than religious people? For me, it’s the end to a life I’ve worked so hard on. Then oblivion (or beer volcanoes). For religious people it’s the time they get to meet their god/gods.

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Hi christian the not very christian

Very impressed by your evangelical staying power – 3 days on the cross of the fsm site and you’ve given up – well done. Your lord and master will be very proud of you. Whoops I shoudln’t have said that – you might become a committed anti-FSMer now – and we’ll never get rid of you.

I take it is hasn’t dawned on you yet that this site is about the teaching of ID in science classes – not a devil worshipping cult. You probably didn’t understand that as you only seem to talk bollocks.

Bye and thanks for the entertainment.

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Christian: What ARE the benefits of the christian god, anyway? An eternal afterlife has to get boring some day… Oh, wait, right, by beleiving in the christian god, we wouldn’t have to go to hell – uh, but don’t we have to be christians to go there in the first place?
Very kind of you to threaten us with that, and a nice touch with some condemnation on the side. Now I know you’re an agent of true christian love. Remember, the FSM on the other hand loves one and all – as the penne rigate is my witness. You’ll hear no hate-propaganda from His Noodliness. That you seem to think we hate your god or your holy fairytale is a cause for concern, but that is, in the end, your problem, not mine.
Cry for us all you like, but keep in mind that the FSM won’t send you to hell just because you don’t beleive in Him. You can still be saved from the christian brain-washing you seem to have endured.

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@Erik:

“I’ve tried kindness.
- I appreciate your kindness and the politeness of your post. I’ll try to return the favor.

I’ve tried condemning you.
- Fuck you.”

XD! That’s Gold!

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“I’ve tried giving evidence for God.”
And… you failed.

“I’ve tried kindness.”
I missed that!

“My patience is expired with you all.”
Then… GO AWAY!

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Great another hypocrite, you haven’t provided any evidence. And don’t say the Bible, that is not evidence, that is a fairy tale book. Come up with some actual non-supernatural evidence that will prove without a doubt that god exists, and then we will believe you.

Ramen Mateys!

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“Everything I know, everything I love, is in a Book you hate with all your hearts.”
Hmmm….Book…?
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I wonder what book he’s talking about…
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…I know!
I bet the book he’s talking about is Harry Potter seven, the Deathly Hallows! It’s all so clear now! “Everything I know, everything I love…” I don’t hate that book, I love it to! It’s an awesome book! I guess Christian isn’t such a bad guy after all if he’s a fan of Harry Potter.

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I’ve tried giving evidence against God.
I’ve tried telling you the horrors of faith.
I’ve tried telling you the benefits of logic.
I’ve tried kindness.
I’ve never tried condemning you.
I’ve tried offering you a life without fear of wrath.
My patience will never expire, for I live for a cause.

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Dude, if you want to do some saving, head over to http://www.tarvu.com/ I think they may want to hear from you, and, it’s so easy to join!!

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First, Christian, I like the fact that you apparently read the comments to your last mail.
You say we hate God. But how can we hate something we don’t believe in? It would be like hating orcs or fairies. Also, you say: “Sex,war,blasphemy,hate,mockery, even death you love!”
Well, I have no problems with sex, as long as both individuals participating in it are condescending, and blasphemy is, to quote Richard Dawkins: “A crime without a victim”. Humour usually finds it’s basis in mockery.
I am a pacifist, and funnily enough it appears christian and muslim conservatives are the most war hungry people at the moment, as they have been for thousands of years.
Finally, you say I love death. Well, I’m not the one offering people a paradise after their deaths…

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Christian leaves us today with just one question: “Why?”

Tells me he’ll be back!

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I’ve tried giving evidence for God.
–There is no evidence for God. It requires faith. And I refuse to accept an idealogy based entirely on faith in some unseeable, unkowable tinker bell.
I’ve tried telling you the benefits of God.
–Like what? Do what we say and you get to go to Heaven? Sorry, Pastafarianism is just as likely as your relgion, and we have beer volcanoes and stripper factories. We win.
I’ve tried telling you the horrors of Hell.
–Yeah, that helped dissuade me a lot. Why belong to a religion that’s going to get you eternally damned? Not to mention that this is just scare tactics “Believe in us or ELSE.” No thanks.
I’ve tried kindness.
–No, you haven’t.
I’ve tried condemning you.
–Yup, you have. And I’m not sure what twisted universe you live in where condemning someone makes them want to believe you.
I’ve tried offering you salvation.
–False salvation. This depends on us believeing in your God, which we don’t. Therefore we have no fear of hell nor lust for salvation.

What kind of reason is that to worship a God anyway. “If you don’t I’ll make your life hell, literally!” There’s nothing worth worshiping there. If there was a God and that was his philosophy I’d probably go to Hell just to spite Him.

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If you want control over a population, if you want them to voluntarily give you their money, to voluntarily fight wars which will give you more land and power… what do you think the best tool would be to convince them? Provide a solution to calm their ultimate fear: death. Provide a means of salvation which coincidentally will provide you with all the money/land/power you crave.
Organized religion is purely political. A clever means to an end. Perhaps necessary in the grand scheme of things to get mankind moving forward, out of the caves and into the skyscrapers. To keep them from stealing, killing, and hurting each other needlessly, when, if directed appropriately, there’s money to be made. Just ask Dick Cheney.
Of course there is a “higher power” at work. It’s the humans who grab onto that concept and turn it into a marketing tool for their own gain that I have a problem with. And none seem so effective at selling their product these days than xians. Nothing new, it’s all been seen before.
FSM has different goals. It’s a modern conveyance, using the power of the internet, to expose the heartless swindlers and bring about a revolution of insight. And the best tool for that? Humor, the highest level of human intellect.
So lighten up, Christian. Don’t let your religion use you like all the other schmucks throughout history. Be part of the growing global consciousness. You keep visiting this site because it’s what you’re looking for. Now go make some spaghetti, have a beer, and think about it.

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Ok as a start with evidence for our side perhaps go straight to the source “On The Origin of Species”, in case you’re not aware it was a book written by Charles Darwin.

Seeing as you’re obviously a religious zealot, I’m not going to bother nitpicking all your fun little comments but just give you my view on religion.

Religion was created to control a population of people at all times by inciting a fear of an invisible being who could be everywhere and catch you out for doing something wrong. Basically it was a set of laws by which people should live their lives and it still is. At least natural selection prevailed and some of us evolved beyond the need for a set of out dated laws.

Don’t you dare come back and say they aren’t laws. In anticipation of your saying this I’ll provide you with a definition of a “law”:
1. the principles and regulations established in a community by some authority and applicable to its people, whether in the form of legislation or of custom and policies recognized and enforced by judicial decision.
2. a system or collection of such rules.
3. any rule or injunction that must be obeyed
4. a rule or principle of proper conduct sanctioned by conscience, concepts of natural justice, or the will of a deity

If you can tell me that religion doesn’t force a set of “laws” upon you then we’ve got our lines crossed somewhere.

The only difference between your set of laws and real laws put in place by governing bodies, is that the real laws change over time to suit the natural changes that a people have over time.

We can thank religion for holding us steady for a few hundred years during the dark ages, wow what a friendly sounding name, “dark ages”. You might even get the impression that not progressing as a people is a bad thing.

As far as what you said, your book is no evidence. At least people have followed up on the book by Darwin, not just interpreted away at it for 2000 years.
Benefits of god, I see none. the fact your god tolerates people like you leads me to believe he doesn’t exist.
The next few – well you just don’t get it. The sort of fear or false promises you offer us blindly are the exact thing we oppose. If a higher being deserves my worship it won’t get it by threatening me.

I will not negotiate with higher beings

I am still patient with you. Mainly because I don’t ever see you escaping from your living hell of slavery to a god who probably doesn’t exist.

For the record I don’t hate god. I simply can’t justify any belief in him. Once again I don’t hate the bible, I just think as a moral system for living our lives today, it’s a little outdated.

Name me three examples that you have witnessed firsthand or have happened to a friend (that is alive and is fictional) of god being kind and forgiving. If you say it, you surely have some kind of evidence to back it up? Was there an article published in the “Journal of Godly Ways”, oh wait, that’s right – it’s not a real journal. it’s completely fake, much like your god. (Note: for those not familiar with the world of science – a journal is the common name given to a publication of scientific works, of which many are published each month)

I’m sure someone else has covered this but i haven’t had a chance to read ALL the replies yet…God hates sex? maybe we should all stop having it then, oh wait but how do we reproduce? Shit, we better figure out a way to become asexual quick smart before we piss God off anymore with all those pesky byproducts of sex.

I’m also gonna say i think without religion in the world we’d have a lot less war and a lot less justification for it. Can I count how many wars have been fought “in the name of God”. I’m not a fan of war, don’t assume what you don’t really know. I know it’s a predisposition for any religious person to have to just believe things without any evidence but your just making stuff up now.

Blasphemy – well of course he’s gonna hate that, cause we’re ragging on him.

Again I don’t love hate, and if I did love hate would that be verging on a paradox?

Mockery, i admit i do love mockery, but if people like you could think for yourself then maybe i wouldn’t have to mock you. Clearly mockery is your fault not mine.

I don’t think I’ve ever referred to myself as “enlightened” seems like a very “religious” term to me. If you really want a bunch of evidence there is more than just the “Origin of the Species” out there, look into journals on evolution and actually weigh up the facts before you start deciding if you believe stuff. Sure i know it is hard to get used to, making an informed decision on basically complete information. it will be hard for you, but I’m sure with enough time your tiny faith loving brain will soon be able to grow into something more….tangible.

Last time i checked, being free, feeling good and knowing things were all positive traits. Seems like your god wants us to be enslaved, feel bad and ignorant. Seems it’s working just fine for you.

The one thing you need to understand Christian, we don’t hate you, I even understand why you are the way you are, but we will never be like you. The fact that you can’t grasp that means you truly are ignorant. I feel legitimately sorry for many religious people, in the same way you feel sorry for us. Both of us perceive the other as missing out on something in life. Both of us may be right, one of us may be wrong. I have made my decision and you have made yours.

I’m not about to force my views onto you and say you need to believe anything I say, you should figure out what is real for yourself. That is what we are all about, making your own choices, not the choices that someone else made for you thousands of years ago. Science encourages questioning, nothing should be taken at face value. A good scientist always digs deeper. I’m sure your life is wrapped up nicely in your book, but you need to look beyond that book. There is more to life, maybe if there is a god he’ll tell you that when you’re dead.

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dear St Jason
you have no right to the holy title.

You’re not the Pope, so shush.

And God said they OFFER it. They say they have freedom and fun and no rules, easy living. But they are lying. Are you honestly happy just cruising through life have sex and drinking beer and making fun of christians.

Who are “they”? Are you sure “they” are lying? Have you tried it out for yourself (If you are of legal age, of course. I am doubtful)? You can’t know for sure until you discount it as fact that sex and beer and antagonizing Christians (And yes that should be capitalized, red pen for you, again.) doesn’t bring a feeling of fun. Although I’ll wager the antagonizing Christians will become less important when the beer kicks in and sex gets slippery.

I’ll give you that most christians don’t live up to God’s standards. And ill give you that sometimes were a bit preachy. I’ll even give you that i’ve been a bit vain and prideful in my conversations with you all.

Well, thank you for at least seeing your pious, sanctimonious tone and apologizing for it. But do you see that you are trying to set yourself above other Christians just as you’re trying to set yourself above those of us who do not believe in God? Just there in that sentence? It’s not up to you or anyone to say who is the better Christian that’s only up to the boss, as far as I was lead to believe – right?

All im saying here, all im trying to get across, is that Jesus loves everyone, and all He asks in return is that you return the favor by loving Him and following His commandments.

I have a dog that loves everyone and asks for everyone to love him, too. He doesn’t have any rules that I’m expected to follow outside of that love,(Well apart from food, water, walks and to throw the ball a few times a day with him.) which is why he gets it. Besides, I don’t think it was Jesus who made the commandments. You keep getting them confused. Jesus did the beatitudes not the commandments. Your brand of Christianity keeps mixing God and Jesus up so I’m guessing you’re a Baptist. Any other takers?

If your so disappointed with Christian morality, why not trying being a better christian than they are, who knows they might catch on.

Is this supposed to be a competition to see who’s going to be the Better Christian? Do you think that’s what God wants? Don’t you see that’s exactly how wars get started? That’s it’s been the excuse used to justify the murder of millions because they didn’t love God well enough or in the right way? Is that what God wanted from us?

I’m sorry if I’ve been ranting at you all, i really meant no harm. All i want is for you to sit down and say to yourselves “you know, this God person isn’t half bad”.

I’ve discovered all on my own that I don’t need a god to live a happy life. I don’t need a church to feel I belong. I don’t need a religion to have a higher purpose. Also, I don’t think god is bad, but I think his followers are completely fucked up. That includes you, I’m afraid. Sorry.

All our doctrines and scriptures and even our code of morals revolves around that one point. Not to say they aren’t important, but the most important thing anyone can do is say that God exists, God is the biblical God, and God loves all those who love Him and tries to make those who don’t love Him do.

I have excellent morals and I’m an atheist. No really, I promise. It’s a fear mongering preacher that tells his parishioners that Atheists are immoral. It’s a high level manipulation and I hope you’ll be smart enough to realize that. I still think the ten commandments, more or less, are excellent rules to live by. Why do I need church and more religion than that? Why do I have to say God exists? If I say your God exists do I also have to be fair and say all the other Gods exist too? What makes your god more right than any other god?

If that simple message of Godliness and Christianess offended you, then I’m sorry for wasting your time. May Christ give you happiness in all days, Amen, yes verily so, Amen.

And that, Chris, falls on deaf ears and lets everyone know you aren’t ever going to be a well-rounded, knowledgeable, open-minded person who can appreciate and ruminate over the opposing issues currently on debate.

Finally, It’s very annoying to slip into bible-speak in regular conversation. For goodness sake, please cut that shit out.

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Why are Christians so quick to condemn those who don’t think like them? Want to truly warp a child? Teach them to hold those in higher esteem those who think like them than those who disagree.

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@Christian #53,

I thought you left the building with Elvis?

Why are you bashing St.Jason, and issuing a mea culpa to the rest of us?
“I’m sorry if I’ve been ranting at you all, i really meant no harm. All i want is for you to sit down and say to yourselves “you know, this God person isn’t half bad”.

To St. Jason- The FSM gave you sainthood with the first bowl of St. Chef Boyardee. Continue preaching the Gospel of His Noodly Embrace!

Christian: We don’t want your false idolotry here. You’re right that God isn’t half bad. If you don’t exist, then you’re not even half there. You need to testify to someone who is on the same page as you.
THERE ARE NO WEAK-MINDED GIMPS ON THIS WEBSITE!
Your message isn’t really going to be heard here, so don’t cast your pearls of wisdom among us lowly swine. Go to FaithNet, somewhere, anywhere!

Let your dogs colon get familiar with the warmth of your breath! Don’t waste it on us!
GO AWAY!

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Sex? Did someone mention sex? Does your god hate sex? Why the heck do you follow such a god?

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When will people like this understand we don’t hate god. How can you hate something that doesn’t exist?
Hating what people do in the name of this and other) non existent god(s), now that’s a different story!

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the people of mystical storytelling traditions (with rituals) can hardly see the truth, let alone share it with others

x

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Oh Christian, it’s so cute of you to grace us with your presence-again.
All I’ve been saying, all I’m trying to get across, is that the FSM loves everyone, and all His Noodliness asks in return is that you return the favor by loving the FSM and following the “I-really-rather-you-did-not”s. I really meant no harm. All I want is for you to sit down and say to yourself, you know, this Pastafarian isn’t half bad. The most important thing anyone can do is say that the Flying Spaghetti Monster exists, FSM is the FSM of the Gospel of FSM, and FSM loves all those who love His Noodliness and doesn’t care if those who don’t love him do. If that simple message of noodliness and pastafarianness offends you, I am sorry you have been wasting your time. May the FSM give you happiness in all days. Ramen.

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What a crybaby….you weep for us? That made me laugh, and wonder how we are evil for asking for evidence…. Christian, you have no proof of anything and no clue that this is satire.

kris

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RAMEN TO COMMODORE!!!

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I haven’t read the posts as I’ve got the Vista blues on this machine, but Christain, “What did god ever do to you to make you doubt his existence?” Oh, my FSM, do a thought experiment: Let’s say one of us comes up to you and bitch slaps you on general principles, would you doubt our existence? Obviously, if anyone does anything to you, you can and will not doubt his/her existence becasue he/she had to exist in the first place to be doing “something” to you.
And you should take a lesson from this little thought experiment on how your mind works. You evidently disbelieve in things and people when they do something to or for you, and you believe in persons/things like god who do nothing to or for you. Clearly you need to change meds, and quick before you drive through a crowd of children who you don’t believe exist because they just called you a fuck head.

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Hey Christian,

Many people have responded that they don’t hate God because they can’t hate what they don’t believe in. I don’t hate God – I actually DO believe in God. You don’t need evidence to believe in God, that’s what faith is. I understand that. But I also believe that the word of God has been terribly corrupted by man, so I don’t trust much of the bible or people who have the gall to interpret the will of God.

I’m glad that your faith is so strong and that you’ve had personal experiences with God. I haven’t. I realize missionary work is paramount in Christianity, but it ain’t gonna work, at least not for me.

I love this website not for it’s wild atheist bent, but for it’s original, satirical intent – that intelligent design should not be taught as a biological alternative to evolution. That’s it. Yeah, a lot of atheists use it as a springboard, but as far as I’m concerned, a statement on intelligent design is the focus of this group.

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Dear everyone , i have long since tried to teach you the glory of God philosophically, mainly because its easier to both teach and to learn. However, I can clearly see now that I’m dealing with right here, right now people. I will give you evidence of the Christian God.(I’ll go ahead and say it “took you long enough”) I’ll start by saying I’ve read the whole bible and am not offended by God’s wrath in the old testament. Reason? Imagine a world without police. That being said, on to the evidence!
God ability to prophecy:http://www.godonthe.net/evidence/messiah.htm
Dinosaurs and humans coexisted:http://www.godonthe.net/evidence/messiah.htm
Global flood:we’ve found seashells on mountain tops, a is below sea level, a mountain in thousands of feet above see level. The seashells are younger than the mountains by evolution time lines. Explain.
There. Evidence of God. I’m done arguing and I’m done “ranting”. If you want to debate me scientifically feel free to.
P.S. you can’t deny something is real just because you can’t see it. Otherwise, gravity, the wind, words, and computer data don’t exist. You want a scientific debate, then by God I’ll give you one.

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“I leave you today with just one question. Why?”

Why not?

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Dear Christian:

I’m so overwhelmed by your (initially) loving forbearance that I just don’t know where to start. What a wonderful person you must be, to want to “save” the followers of His Noodleyness. It’s too bad that our Flying Spaghetti Monster doesn’t urge his worshippers to blindly defend his existence with violence, because then you could be a martyr, as well (or even a Saint)! I find it interesting, though, that you seem to assume that you have the authority to condemn other people. Did God give you the power to do that? Strangely, I don’t feel the least bit condemned. Could you please post a list of symptoms so that we’ll be able to tell?

Regards.

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BTW, Christian if your god is real, then the “benefit” viz. living eternally with him and his nailed up kid and Jerry Falwell and the rest of the true believers like yourself would be like going to a dinner party hosted by Hitler that never ended. Imagine partying with the guy who drowned all those people in the biblical flood, and rained fire and brimstone on Sodom and Gommorah, and ordered the genocide of the people of Jerico. And then people like you, Sarah Palin, James Dobson, Jerry Falwell as my party companions for all eternity. Fuck, I so much prefer hell where Bill Marher, Hugh Hefner, every female porn starlet, Mark Twain, Steven Colbert, Bertrand Russell, and all the people who post on this board are gonna be. Betcha hell will have Fleetwood Mac with Stevie Nicks singing Riannon while Jenna Jameson gives me head. Bill Mahrer will bring the bong, and you know they serve Beef Stroganoff every night. Hell it’s cooler than you think.

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Zinc Alloy, post 62:

Your post was clever and well worded, and I think it thoroughly got across your point.
It also made me smile. Especially the beginning. :]

Just thought you might want to know haha.

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ROFL. Christian I don’t think I’ve laughed this hard in like…ever. Just reading all the awesome replies and hate mail had me LMAOing. LOLOLOLOL

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Dear Christian:

I’m so overwhelmed by your (intial) forbearance, I’m almost speechless. What a wonderful person you must be, to want to “save” all of the followers of His Divine Noodleyness. It’s really too bad that our Flying Spaghetti Monster doesn’t encourage His worshippers to blindly defend His existence with violence. Otherwise you could be a martyr, or even a Saint! Wouldn’t that be great? Then you could really have the power/authority to condemn other people. I can’t speak for my fellow pirates, but I don’t feel the least bit condemned. Could you please post a list of symptoms so that we’ll know when it’s working?

With regards,
RAmen.

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Oh wow. See, this is why I’m not Christian. *shudders* And to think I was almost pestered out of my heathen existence by my friends to go to Church. INSANITY!

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Christian (#53) – Welcome back.

“All im saying here, all im trying to get across, is that Jesus loves everyone, and all He asks in return is that you return the favor by loving Him and following His commandments.”

All we’re trying to say is we don’t think jesus exists and can’t love anyone or ask anything.

You respond to every arguement with a dogmatic insistence that he does exist but you give no proof, just endless examples of your own faith.

I can’t believe just because you say its so. I need something tangible. It makes no sense to me, no more than people insisting that have faith in the Flying Spaghetti Monster does to you.

We’re not going to convert you or vice versa, we’re as sad for you as you are for us.

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To Lord Shplane,

My name is actually Michele, but one day in high school a good friend turned to me and said, “You’re name is boring. I’m going to call you Mitchell.” By the end of high school, I had teachers that called me Mitchell. Eventually it got cut down to Mitch and I prefer it that way. Plus, being a witch, it makes me Mitch the Witch. Too funny.

Oh! And I’d like to extend a thank you to Cape Buffalo. I think I’m awesome too.

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Dear Christian:

I love how Christians make it all about them. “I couldn’t save you…” Did you ever stop to think that nothing you do benevolently is selfless? You always do good works so that YOU can get into that make-believe place called “heaven”. It’s all about what YOU can do to make people see the light of God. You. You. You. I simply don’t want to hear about “YOU” anymore.

You’re right. I do love blasphemy. It’s my favorite pasttime. Sex is great too. Even that fornication I’m partaking in when I have loving sex with my lesbian partner. I love fornicating. I can’t help mocking you because, well, its so darned easy. You leave yourself open for it.

I don’t want a god who allegedly created me but then hates me because I’m a lesbian. If in fact he made me, he made me with the preconception that I would like women over men. So in fact, your theory of creation is wrong. It is actually science that makes a pregnancy (you know this story right…the ovum and sperm come together causing a chain reaction of cell splitting to create a baby) and the nature of a person before they are born. Not a miracle.

I grow tired of explaining logic to you. It’s kind of like bashing your body against a stone wall to knock it down. I view all Christians to be tiny lemmings that will gladly leap off the cliff and die because everyone else is, their god told them to, and because they can’t think for themselves beyond what to have for dinner…and even then it’s questionable.

Please, Christian, by all means leave us to lead our own lives.

As for your question of why…how about the answer is simply there is no such thing as god. God is not alive or existing. There is no holy spirit, just people acting in out passion. There is no son because no one can be raised from the dead and not be a zombie. There is no Santa Claus. There is no Easter Bunny. And finally, there is no Tooth Fairy either. All of these things are legends designed to either a) control people, b) control children, c) make life fun for people, and d) entertain.

I am sorry that you have FAILED to come to this logical conclusion. I hope that one day you are touched by His Noodliness in a way that is tangible. In a way that makes you realize that all your life has been wasted on a false promise. I hope you recover from that quickly.

Meisha

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Christian, you should have expected that you would be scorned. Why can’t we adopt a “live and let live” philsophy? What makes us so interesting to you God-fearing types anyway?

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Christian,

Spoken like a true Pirate! God is sitting right here next to me (he lives in Ireland but has to keep a low profile because of the goings-on with the priests) and he says, “Meh. Like, OK. Not 3 bad, that Christian dude.” I mean, you know how He gets sometimes. Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

Like Jesus (one of His sons) says in the undiscovered Gospel, “Have some pasta and relax. Chpt 3 vs 5″ and “There really is no point getting annoyed about stuff so have a cuppa” Chpt 100997 vs 19775294729.27327. Glory be to His word, eh? Eh?

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Wow, even tough Christian has an awesome belief he still sad… sad for us?

Pastafarians are never sad for anyone, only amused by others ignorance.

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@Christian
“My God is great, He is kind, and He is forgiving.”
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#53
“God loves all those who love Him and tries to make those who don’t love Him do.”
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What be the name of your loving, forgiving god Christian? You’re obviously not referring to the one referenced in Hosea?!
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HOSEA
9:12 Though they bring up their children, yet will I bereave them, that there shall not be a man left: yea, woe also to them when I depart from them!
9:13 Ephraim, as I saw Tyrus, is planted in a pleasant place: but Ephraim shall bring forth his children to the murderer.
9:14: Give them, O LORD: what wilt thou give? give them a miscarrying womb and dry breasts.
9:15: All their wickedness is in Gilgal: for there I hated them: for the wickedness of their doings I will drive them out of mine house, I will love them no more: all their princes are revolters.
9:16: Ephraim is smitten, their root is dried up, they shall bear no fruit: yea, though they bring forth, yet will I slay even the beloved fruit of their womb.
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13:4 Yet I am the LORD thy God from the land of Egypt, and thou shalt know no god but me: for there is no saviour beside me.
13:7 Therefore I will be unto them as a lion: as a leopard by the way will I observe them:
13:8 I will meet them as a bear that is bereaved of her whelps, and will rend the caul of their heart, and there will I devour them like a lion: the wild beast shall tear them.
13:15 Though he be fruitful among his brethren, an east wind shall come, the wind of the LORD shall come up from the wilderness, and his spring shall become dry, and his fountain shall be dried up: he shall spoil the treasure of all pleasant vessels.
13:16 Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up.
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…and on and on, right the way from go to woe through Hosea, this *god* gets off ranting hate, vengeance and death…including slaughtering the unborn in the womb!
..all over it’s intended groupies not showing the obedience/worship that it craves…and a calf statue!
Yea…way to love, forgive and receive love!
More like a story written by control freaks to garner obedience via instilling the fear of an invisible boogeyman’s wrath, further maintained and interpreted (conveniently distorted) through the to this day so as to herd the ignorant, the weak and the gullible to feed the money-hungry, power-junkie fund-a-nuts!
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The quickest, most enlightening way to atheism Christian is a thorough and objective reading of your own Holey BuyBull!
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ps Remember…don’t you eat NO Rockbadgers :)

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Oh…and has the FSM blessed us with paragraph breaks now?

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Well, Christian… You didn’t last very long…

What if we’re wrong? What if YOU’RE wring? xD

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Christian,

I am a scientist and I promise you know next to nothing about the subject. First off the scientific community does not protect theories. They are tested rigorously and if they hold up to the tests presented they are held on to until they are disproved. If they are disproved a new theory is formed. Many people seem to not understand the difference between a ‘theory’ which any moron can spew in everyday conversation and a ’scientific theory’. For example gravity is still just a scientific theory. Since it can be tested it cannot be compaired to God, because although they are both invisible God can’t not be proved through repeatable, verifiable tests or observable data, and gravity can.

As to the fossil record. We have successfully extracted DNA from fossils, in recent years. The first time was by Svante Paabo from a Neanderthal fossil found in Neander Valley in Germany in 1856 (not done in 1856). This shows a clear link to modern humans (through things like the mitochondria). This is a rare process because it is hard to find fossils with viable DNA. However it is expected over the next 20 years or so that a way may become available to make it a bit more common. It is a long painful science explanation. The transitional animal from sea to land has been found, all though it is a more recent find, so most likely fewer people know of it. It is called the Tiktaalik roseae. Not going to explain it a Goggle will give you like 20 articles about it. Besides all of this if the world was only 6 million years old as the bible claims we would not have fossils that are way older than that. Then add in that most Creationists claim that humans and dinosaurs lived together and they were herbivores. The simple build of a dinosaur and basic logic rules out that they were all herbivores (some have sharp teeth and claws). Dinosaurs did not live at the same time as humans. The Flintstones is not the documentary you think it is.

Next we move on to the argument for Irreducible Complexity. I could go on and on about this. But basically it doesn’t hold up. First example was the eye which was debunked. So Creationist supporters went after a microscopic organism. Specifically the eukaryotic cilium and its flagellum, which is used for propulsion. Anyway that one doesn’t hold up either;

http://chem.tufts.edu/AnswersInScience/MillerID-Collapse.htm

Tired of typing it out. If you don’t understand it, ask.

Next. I don’t see why God could not have intended evolution and set the stage for all if it. To say that God has to have a direct hand in every step of our progress greatly diminishes in my eyes the power of God. It seems ludicrous to say that a supreme being could not foresee and plan out a map of things to come and set it into motion. Belief in God and belief in science does not have to be mutually exclusive. I find most people who think it needs to be don’t get science and find it easier to believe than to learn and question, or the other side is people who treat science as a religion, which is in my opinion the wrong way to approach science, because it stops them from approaching it with an open mind, which is a necessity.

Some people try to take the Bible literally, which I explained earlier is pretty much impossible to do. Aside from which I don’t think it was ever intended to be taken literally.

People also mistakenly assume that if they can disprove something it automatically proves something else, which it doesn’t. It defies logic to assume so, and God gave us logic for a reason, don’t you think? If say some one disproved the current theory of gravity, it does not automatically prove their theory that the reason we don’t fly of the planet that little invisible imps are holding us down with pocket change, does it? No. Evidence for a new theory would have to be presented and tested. Could you imagine the state of medicine today if we didn’t present and test new theories and have them stand up to those tests?

I get tired of re-stating and re-stating this stuff. I mostly just feel like the people who don’t want to believe, or have things conflict with their beliefs will simply not listen, which is exactly how it tends to play out. It frustrates and irritates me, so I usually just keep my mouth shut. People without reason will never acquire it I am starting to think.

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Dear everyone , i have long since tried to teach you the glory of God philosophically,

Since Saturday. Not even a full week.

…mainly because its easier to both teach and to learn.

Not at the same time, surely. Class would be extremely chaotic.

However, I can clearly see now that I’m dealing with right here, right now people.

I have that song in my head now.

I will give you evidence of the Christian God.(I’ll go ahead and say it “took you long enough”) I’ll start by saying I’ve read the whole bible and am not offended by God’s wrath in the old testament. Reason? Imagine a world without police.

I’m so thankful the Police don’t go slaughtering children in a tantrum, oh wait – I’m sure I can find proof they have. Darn. Also, how convenient of you to to not be offended by God’s behaviour. It almost sounds like you forgive him for being so bad and mean and vengeful. Maybe your forgiveness saved his soul. Does God need your forgiveness?

That being said, on to the evidence!

Can’t Wait!!

God ability to prophecy:http://www.godonthe.net/evidence/messiah.htm
Dinosaurs and humans coexisted:http://www.godonthe.net/evidence/messiah.htm Global flood:we’ve found seashells on mountain tops, a is below sea level, a mountain in thousands of feet above see level. The seashells are younger than the mountains by evolution time lines. Explain.

That’s all you’ve got? *sigh* I’m so disappointed. I was hoping for vacation shots of the two of you at Lourdes or something.

There. Evidence of God.

You get a D- but thank you for trying.

I’m done arguing and I’m done “ranting”. If you want to debate me scientifically feel free to.

Don’t put ranting in quotes. Even you admitted you ranted.

P.S. you can’t deny something is real just because you can’t see it. Otherwise, gravity, the wind, words, and computer data don’t exist.

Drop a bowling ball on your foot and you can witness and feel the effects of gravity. Stand in the wind and feel it on your skin and lift your hair and destroy buildings in a hurricane or just ass smoke to it and voila – there it is! I am reading your words right now on a computer and creating my own with every tap on the keyboard. Your arguments are very weak. You’ll need to do better and find far more conclusive evidence to sway me and these other hardened non-believers.

You want a scientific debate, then by God I’ll give you one.

I would love one, but I fear you are ill-equipped to do so because if you honestly believe dinosaurs and humans walked together than you’ve already shown you are incapable of grasping evidence based facts. To quote Derren Brown, “We need to live by our hearts as well as our brains to engage most wonderfully in this world: sadly there is often a proud refusal amongst True Believers to engage with the latter.”

Your heart is in it, Chris, but sadly you’ve not got the brains. Yet. You can at least get smarter if you let yourself.

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I can just visualise Christian typing with spittle coming out of the corner of his mouth, soaking the keyboard. One hand busy doing something else.

Got a horrible feeling he’ll be down to Wal-Mart soon to buy a Remington with a scope and then do what every other bloody religious nut seems to be compelled to do – find himself a nice spot on the clock tower.

tit

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Christians go through the lubbers’ hole to reach the maintop. Pastafarians swarm up the futtock shrouds like true pirates.
I think this summarises the theological gulf between us.
See Grundelssen, ‘Grundriß der Piraten- und Seeräubertheologie’ chapter 147.

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My apologies, although a funny typo, “just ass smoke” was supposed to be “Just add smoke”. Was not to imply one blow smoke out their ass.

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I’ve tried giving evidence for God.
Really? Where is it, then?

I’ve tried telling you the benefits of God.
And those are…?

I’ve tried telling you the horrors of Hell.
Incorrect. Dante told us the horrors of hell, you miserable jackoff.

I’ve tried kindness.
Incorrect. You’ve told us that we will be damned if we don’t convert. Doesn’t sound too kind to me.

I’ve tried condemning you.
And it’s obviously not working, so why don’t you stop trying?

I’ve tried offering you salvation.
Once again, all you’ve tried offering us is damnation.

My patience is expired with you all.
Back at you, douchebag.

I have only one question for you all.
Okay, shoot.

Why do hate God so much,what did He do to you to make you doubt His existence.
Nothing. When he reveals himself to me, maybe I’ll start believing.

Everything I know, everything I love, is in a Book you hate with all your hearts.
If everything you love is in a ceturies old book of fiction, you must be one miserable jackoff.

My God is great, He is kind, and He is forgiving. Yet still, you curse Him with every word.
Yeah? Really? Here’s some kindness for you- Psalms 137:9 Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the rocks. Yeah. Reall compassionate. Asshole.

Everything He hates, you love.
Not really.

Sex,war,blasphemy,hate,mockery, even death you love!
I’ll divide this one up.
Sex- It needs to happen. It’s how you got here. It just so happens to feel good too.
War- No. War sucks.
Blasphemy- It’s not blasphemy to us. To us, YOU are the blasphemer.
Mockery- It’s funny. It makes us laugh. What’s wrong with it?
Death- We’re all going to die eventually. What’s the big deal about it?

All you do to me is mock me.
And all you do is hate us.

You never give evidence, you only call yourselves enlightened for your lack of faith.
Have you not seen the evidence page?

God warns that heathens offer freedom,pleasure,and knowledge, but they are lying.
Because he wants to keep you living in fear.

I have offered you eternal life, and you have cursed me.
Eternal life would get boring after a while.

I do not curse you, nor your choices,nor any horrid sin you do.
And yet you try and make your ’sins’ illegal.

I cry for you. I will weep in the presence of God because of you, and because i could not save of you a single soul.
Thanks for crying, but you’re wasting your tears.

So, my sinful,fallen companions i leave you today with just one question. Why?
Because.

May Christ Jesus, The One True God, have mercy on you my friends.
I thought his dad was the One True God. Get your facts straight, asshole.

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@ Christian #96,

A complement: I’ve always said that if reason is enough to remove your faith, then you must not be a christian. That makes you bonafide. You are tenacious in your faith.

Your evidence of prophecy can be argued by one of our great philosophers of modern times.

“If you speak to God, you’re a christian. If he answers. you’re schizophrenic.” – Lily Tomlin

Dinosaurs and humans co-existing: Let’s see. Imagine some early human, walking along, whistling some Yiddish tune. An Allosaurus steps from behind a bush. Does Mr. Human say: “Hi big fella’! Fetch the stick!”, or does Dino see an easy meal and gobble him up? Allosaurus isn’t going to play grab ass with humans! Reason should tell you that humans wouldn’t have lasted a century without modern weapons against a world populated with such animals!
“But that was in the Garden of Eden and all predatory animals were vegetarians.” you’re gonna say, right? Give me the name of any REPUDIDABLE palentologist who would say such nonsense!

Seashells on mountains: Geology! If a mountain started at the bottom of the ocean, like in Hawaii, and over time grew above the surface, that would explain your conundrum nicely. Mountain is older than seashell. You and ignorant ID scientists don’t believe in the science of plate techtonics and think that the world today is the same as the world was over the millienia. Dumb as a bag of hammers!

Global flood: Neptune! HUH? Yes a planet covered with liquid. If the earth had a global flood and was covered with water, the atmospheric pressure would be so high that NO LIFE COULD BE SUSTAINED. In addition, all that water isn’t just going to evaporate and turn into puffy clouds. At 100% humidity and no volcanic processes to assist in the process, the water just sits there. Noah starts wondering when the water is going to receed and if he’s going to have to break out the keg grill and cook an ostritch burger or two because he’s running out of food on the damned boat.

All this you can look up on any university website, but you won’t, like you won’t answer my questions. Your fragile little mind is set in stone like a fossil.
The Flying Spaghetti Monster still loves you, even in your ignorant, neolithic state of being.

Please get an education!
RAmen!

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OK “Christian”…let’s talk about your “evidence”.
As for the prophecies. You quote the Bible, and then go back to the Bible to show they actually happening. This is a classical example of circular logic.
Christian, sorry to break it to you but, the New Testament was written decades after the ALLEGED life time of Jesus. Which means those who wrote it could take their time making sure they matched each other and the Old Testament-and they still didn’t do a good job. There is no extrabiblical evidence that Jesus even existed, let alone was the coming true of the prophecies. The Jews are the strongest reason to think the New Testament stories are true because they have descended from people who lived there at the time and they tell us they didn’t happen. It is like saying, I will prove the truth of my claim by producing the people who say it’s false(quote from Tom Paine).
As for fossils of marine creatures on land, Einstein, that’s because lands and seas MOVE. So areas that are now mountain top were under water some day.
As for humans and dinos having lived together, if you seriously believe that, so need to be in an asylum.
As for Yahweh not having been cruel because the world needs policing. I guess that makes Genghis Khan and Hitler a lot nicer than him, don’t you think? At least when they committed genocide they didn’t claim the victims were “their children”, or that they were all powerful and they could avoid immeasurable and unnecessary suffering.
The only omnibenevolent deity I know of is the FSM.
You asked us earlier why we hate god. While I do not believe that your god exists, I do despise creationists like you. Because science has not been under a threat of this magnitude from religion since the time of Galileo. Some of us have to worry.
Ramen

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war, hate,and death are things that christians spread on a daily basis

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Hey Chris, i really have to thank you. You have changed my life – I have seen the light – Hallelujah!

*now fuck off

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Christian, you say your old testament god is much like the police. I prefer my police not to commit acts of genocide by wiping out whole cities because a few people pissed them off. But, hey, whatever floats your boat.

And you believe in the Fred Flinstone scenario.

Ha ha ha ha ha ha.

You’re a nutjob.

People like you are actually scary.

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Why do hate God so much,what did He do to you to make you doubt His existence.
well he didnt exist for starters

Everything He hates, you love. Sex,war,blasphemy,hate,mockery, even death you love!
well i do love sex you have me there.

God warns that heathens offer freedom,pleasure,and knowledge, but they are lying
So enslave yourself in ignorance and pain! huzzah!

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HOSEA
9:12 Though they bring up their children, yet will I bereave them, that there shall not be a man left: yea, woe also to them when I depart from them!
9:13 Ephraim, as I saw Tyrus, is planted in a pleasant place: but Ephraim shall bring forth his children to the murderer.
9:14: Give them, O LORD: what wilt thou give? give them a miscarrying womb and dry breasts.
9:15: All their wickedness is in Gilgal: for there I hated them: for the wickedness of their doings I will drive them out of mine house, I will love them no more: all their princes are revolters.
9:16: Ephraim is smitten, their root is dried up, they shall bear no fruit: yea, though they bring forth, yet will I slay even the beloved fruit of their womb.
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13:4 Yet I am the LORD thy God from the land of Egypt, and thou shalt know no god but me: for there is no saviour beside me.
13:7 Therefore I will be unto them as a lion: as a leopard by the way will I observe them:
13:8 I will meet them as a bear that is bereaved of her whelps, and will rend the caul of their heart, and there will I devour them like a lion: the wild beast shall tear them.
13:15 Though he be fruitful among his brethren, an east wind shall come, the wind of the LORD shall come up from the wilderness, and his spring shall become dry, and his fountain shall be dried up: he shall spoil the treasure of all pleasant vessels.
13:16 Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up.
Yah, I’ve read that part.
So God is destroying evil, so what. This world is completely corrupt, and whenever God sends people to help people turn from their wicked ways, the people mock them and turn them away(go back a few books to all the times God sent people over to Ephraim and Tyrus and Gilgal). And then, when God finally gets fed up and does something about it, people get mad. Thats just like if you were a child and your Dad said if you didn’t stop misbehaving you’d get a spanking, and then you keep on till he does, the yell “ITS NOT FAIR!!!” at the top of your lungs.
God is allowed to destroy evil. Evidence for God is everywhere, why even the sky shows the glory of God. Have you never seen how wonderful the world is? Oh if only i could help you. But you will not be helped. The fool say in his heart “There is no God” -Psalms The wicked are like the beasts that perish -Psalms. Glory to God! Amen

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@ christian. PLEASE READ

I’ll start by saying I’ve read the whole bible and am not offended by God’s wrath in the old testament. Reason? Imagine a world without police.

- The christian God isn’t a policeman, he’s a crooked jail warden

That being said, on to the evidence!
God ability to prophecy:http://www.godonthe.net/evidence/messiah.htm

-Failed prophecies: http://www.goatstar.org/failed-prophecies/
anyways prophecies aren’t evidence, especially self-fulfilling ones

Dinosaurs and humans coexisted:http://www.godonthe.net/evidence/messiah.htm

-No, no they didn’t, unless you have a degree in paleontology im not listening

Global flood:we’ve found seashells on mountain tops, a is below sea level, a mountain in thousands of feet above see level. The seashells are younger than the mountains by evolution time lines. Explain.

-All the evidence points AWAY from a global flood. Young shells on mountaintops? Your point being? Could you show me your source please? Have you never taken shifting tides, tectonic plates, natural disasters, etc… into account. Yet again, unless you have a degree in geology im not listening

There. Evidence of God. I’m done arguing and I’m done “ranting”. If you want to debate me scientifically feel free to.

-You haven’t shown evidence of God, not once. Even if your evidence for a young earth wasn’t mere assumption, it doesn’t prove Yahweh did it

P.S. you can’t deny something is real just because you can’t see it. Otherwise, gravity, the wind, words, and computer data don’t exist. You want a scientific debate, then by God I’ll give you one.

-Yes, but all of your examples are either testable or effect the senses, and i will just remind you that “religious experiences” have been linked to certain brain chemical releases, in other words hallucinations, so don’t bother bringing those up.

-You wouldn’t know how to debate scientifically anyway, i doubt you have any education further than a cruddy public high school. We are not interested in anything you say unless you have proven yourself by earning the qualifications.
In closing; GET AN EDUCATION! EARN YOUR DEGREE’S! THEN COME BACK TO US IF YOUR OPINION IS THE SAME AND WE’LL DISCUSS IT!

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Christian, Post 96:

–P.S. you can’t deny something is real just because you can’t see it. Otherwise, gravity, the wind, words, and computer data don’t exist. You want a scientific debate, then by God I’ll give you one.

FAIL FAIL FAIL.

We are not asking to SEE GOD, we are asking to see EVIDENCE OF GOD.

The evidence of gravity is that we don’t float.
The evidence of wind is that you can physically feel it.
Words – YOU CAN HEAR THEM.
Computer data – YOU CAN ACCESS IT.

Also, your argument can’t be “Well I can feel/hear God”, because the feeling is internal, and you can’t prove you’ve heard God.

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*shudder* Okay, first, why are you SO concerned about other people’s lives. It’s their buisiness and they should make their own choices. Second, have you actually READ your so-called amazing book that according to you portrays your ‘god’ as an “amazing” being? If you say you have, I don’t think we’ve read the same book. The bible I read shows god as a extremely un-forgiving, vengeful individual. In this case, one might want to pay attention when reading. Maybe it’s just that your comprehension isn’t that good.

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Ok, maybe, just maybe :

Have you ever thought of the possibility that we do not hate God? In fact, have you ever thought that we do not believe that your God exists? How can we hate him then?

I don’t think that heaven exists, and nor does hell. How can I desire one and fear the other? I think that sin and salvation are inventions of religions to control people. How will this convince me then?

Have you ever thought that to convince us of these things, you should try to show us that they exist first?

However, I suggest that we just all go on and have an happy, loving life with each other. With the FSM or GOD, or none. Just as long as the state stays secular, I encourage you to believe everything you want. I’m just not as easily convinced.

Peace man, and remember, God must have all the powers, and thus all responsibilities. Don’t put to much on your shoulders. If it happens that God exists, it’s going to be between me and him.

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#96
“God ability to prophecy:http://www.godonthe.net/evidence/messiah.htm
Dinosaurs and humans coexisted:http://www.godonthe.net/evidence/messiah.htm
Global flood:we’ve found seashells on mountain tops, a is below sea level, a mountain in thousands of feet above see level. The seashells are younger than the mountains by evolution time lines. Explain”

Oh come on Christian…seriously?! Surely you can do better than that?

“You want a scientific debate, then by God I’ll give you one.”

Not off to a good start Christian :(
Try something a little more realistic, rather than those same old repeated silly creationist canards! They’ve been so simply and soundly trashed by so many, so many thousands of times over all ready!

Any more of that silly old fund-a-nut rubbish and I’m afraid we will have to release the lions!

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Oh dear, Christian. Now you admit to believing that dinosaurs and humans existed together simultaneously. Guess you’ve never heard of carbon dating then. The dinosaurs were pretty much wiped out about 60 million years ago. A huge asteroid crashed into the earth causing a massive climate change. All the dirt and dust thrown up into the atmosphere prevented sunlight from reaching the ground causing the temperature to drop drastically. Essentially a nice age occurred and the dinosaurs died off because the couldn’t feed. Only small mammals and other smaller lifeforms survived. That’s it in a nutshell but if you want the longer story I’m sure I or someone else would be glad to tell you. It took quite a few million years before primates developed. We have the fossil record and have also found evidence of the meteor crash. Ash and dust form the disaster have been found and carbon dated all over the earth. Sorry dude. Man and dinosaurs did most empirically not exist together. As for finding seashells on the tops of mountains, yes this is true. But these seashells are in the range of a few hundred million years old. I guess you’re unfamiliar with plate tectonics as well. The land masses that we live on actually float. Yes, it’s true. they float on the liquid magma that often spews up out of volcanoes. When two masses meet head on usually one sinks and the other rises. Now remember that there is also land underneath the sea. That’s where the seashells are. If that particular land mass is pushed up, so are the seashells. Over a great deal of time the seabed can become a mountain. It’s really quite simple if you know what to look for. As for the global flood of Noah’s day, think about one thing. How big was the biblical world? Did they know about the Indians living in North and South America? What about the Chinese and Japanese? Not to mention Taiwan and other far eastern countries. No they did not. At least the writers in the bible certainly didn’t but these people did exist and didn’t get flooded. Kind of makes you think, eh?
Now as for your suggestion that in order to prove something is real you must be able to see it, ie: gravity’ once again your argument fails. Gravity, the wind, computer data, and a ton of other unseen things can be measured. You can’t see the distance from Iceland to Antarctica either but you know as well as I do that it is there.
I’m not trying to knock your faith or convert you. I’m just trying to get you to see that our viewpoint is valid. We here simply can’t understand why anyone would want to believe something that can’t be proven in a laboratory. For the majority of us here we want scientific, undeniable proof. We can’t believe something just because somebody said it or it was written in a very old book that’s been rewritten several times to suit the needs of the controlling church or people in power. We don’t trust those kind of people. they’ve lied to us far too many times over the last several centuries. Don’t forget that once upon a time the church executed people for saying the world was round. It is you know. You suggested that we watch some of the videos that support your ideas. I did. You people scare me. I guess one of the big problems I have with Christianity is that most of you have no problem whatsoever with returning the human race back to the dark ages. No scientific research that isn’t sanctified by the church. Before I wish you a goodnight could you be so kind as to respond to one question? Was the Spanish Inquisition a good thing?

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Forgive me, that was supposed to say, “an ice age” not “a nice age” but I have to admit that from a skiiers aspect, it looks kinda cool!

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Oops, I’m sorry. That was supposed to say, “an ice age” not “a nice age” but from a skiiers aspect it looks kinda cool!

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Hello Christian
Can you speak in tongues?

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Why cant your sort just keep your misguided beliefs to yourselves?
I dont hate what you believe, now return the favour.

Pirates though!…bloody brilliant aren’t they?

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you’re fucking nuts dude.

that is all.

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Oh poor Chris, I feel so sorry for you. Your circular reasoning is all tangled up.
Chris, you can’t deny the FSM because you haven’t seen him Can you get that through your head?
FSM is allowed to punish evil. He just doesn’t do that like Yahweh through rape and genocide. That would make him an a-hole like his bronze-age counterpart whom you are so fond of.
Evidence for FSM is everywhere, why even the sky shows the glory of FSM. Have you ever seen how wonderful the world is.
Only if I could help you. But you won’t be helped. For the fool says in his heart, “there is no FSM”. You have no idea how his noodly touch feels. You reject the salvation.
FSM has all the glory he needs already, so I don’t have to wish him more. That doesn’t seem to be the case for your god. Every time you post you wish him glory. He obviously can use more of it.
Beer and strippers for eveyone.
Ramen

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,what did He do to you to make you doubt His existence.

That’s the point, Chris, god has not done one, damned, provable thing.

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lets leave the poor guy alone. He’s clearly upset.

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@Christian Post 124

Nice to see you back with us!

So..how did the weeping in the presence of God go?

I had a lovely time worshiping at the beer volcano, thank you for asking.

I’ll be sticking with my deity of choice, your one sounds like a child abuser.

Do you, or have you ever had any mental health issues we should be aware of?

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to everyone who answered my evidence with scientific knowledge, I salute you for your interest in a debate. To everyone who just laughed and mocked, you’ve defeated your own argument by not showing evidence and simply having faith the scientists are right “gasp”.
I did not mean that the dinosaurs and humans live right next store to humans, thats just dumb. As is saying we had them as pets (imagine having a whale for a pet) thats retarded. However, if you look to every single human civilization you will find stories of larger than life reptiles(often call dragons). And now that we actually have the bones of these massive reptiles, are you actually go to sweep all the encounters under the rug and say they lived millions of years ago? I know what your thinking, what about the fire breathing? I’ll answer you, we know of an eel that uses electricity, we know of a beetle that mixes chemicals and shoots a mild acid out of its abdomen, we know of an ant that actually explodes to help its colony win a battle. I see no reason why a few species of dinosaurs couldn’t breath fire.(please don’t respond to the above just by laughing, explain to me why a few species couldn’t have).As to them being vegetarians, that was only during the garden of eden when all animals were herbivores, afterwards they were flesh eating killing machines. As to your mention of tectonic activity to explain the seashells, i must inform you that we also found ancient boat ancors on mountains, dating Pre-Sumeria. Now why on earth would ancient people take ancors to the tops of mountains? They wouldn’t even climb the mountains, they’re so high. We can hardly climb them with all the technology of today. Also, the prophecies are not just recorded in the Bible, several pagan historians wrote on the life of Jesus. As to being able to feel wind, hear words, notice gravity, etc. We can also “feel” God in the same way through the Holy Spirit. Now, to those who answered me the first time I look forward to counter examples. To those who just mocked me the first time, please grow up and actually give examples other than “your wrong, I’m right fuck off” May The Lord Jesus rule over God’s people forever and may you challenge me with knowledge so that we both gain, Amen.

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Christian #124,

So where is your scientific proof? Why are you still quoting the Bible, and half-baked ID websites? Because you’re a hypocrite!

The point behind this website is simple. To remind people of the difference between science and religion, adn why the two must be kept separate. You’re a hypocrite because you speak of religion as if it were science. It’s not. Medicine, food, the clothes on your back and the shoes on your feet are from the FSM. He the God of rational, independent thought! His noodly Appendages have touched all the great thinkers of history in order to make your pathetic life possible.

What would our world be like if all its teachers were just like you? We’d still be in mud-huts, afraid of the moon and comets. Everytime the earth rumbled, we’d run to a priest and ask him why God was angry with us. You would’nt be sitting at your computer spouting your nonsense! You would even know what one was. When you got sick, you’d go to Dr. Mobogo and he’d make you breathh smoke and put some leeches on you. And when it was time for you to die, there would be no heaven or hell for you because those concepts came from other religions(Zoroastercism, Greek mythology), you weak-minded, shit-kicking troll! It would be better for you to ignore all modern thoughts, be a Luddite, flat-earther, pick your moniker. Just don’t try to convince anyone that you’re educated or that they should be like you.

Someday, His Noodly Appendage will touch you. Personally, I don’t wan’t to hear from a rube like you ever again!

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Forgive my typos!
He got me kinda angry!

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christian, i’ve read parts of an apologist’s bible and “learned” about this global flood – the whole noah and ark tale. now, let’s consider what “global” would have meant to the folks who lived during that time. cast your mind backwards and consider the following: they were a semi-nomadic people, uneducated and therefore illiterate, they had no science, no literature, nothing we moderns can relate to in any concrete way. so for us, in the 21st century, the term “global” is literal: it is the entire planet, the Earth. for people thousands of years ago, “global” would mean their immediate world, a territory of a few hundred or perhaps thousand square kilometres. if there was a flood, and there may well have been, their world would have been immersed under the seas. hence, a “global” flood becomes for them a reality; not so much for us.

as well, this evidence you speak of, i have never been able to discover any of it. i hear all sorts of talk about it – from the discovery institute, dr michael behe, dr stephen meyer and most recently (and if i may add shamefully) mr ben stein – but absolutely no one produces this so-called convincing evidence that an intelligent designer, ie the christian god, created the world (ireducible complexity – give me a break!). ditto for the website you seem so enamoured of, http://www.godonthe.net. it speaks but never shows. i guess i’m supposed to take this “evidence” on faith. yeah, not gonna happen. you’re going to have to do a lot better than that if you want anyone not of the same mindset to believe you.

we all appreciate the incredible patience you think you’ve shown us, and i presume, other religions, regarding our inability to “see” the truth of what you say; however, i think you’re taking the animus found in the old testament and indicative of evangelical protestantism in general (a seemingly unique US phenomenom – thank the FSM for that!) and projecting it on to all those who disagree with you.

once again, it’s apparent that attackers of pastafarianism fail to read the open letter that begins this website. we know from your letter that you’re not illiterate. so how about reading bobby’s letter and actually allowing that brain of yours to comprehend it, not as a threat, but as a door to undertanding what science really is.

praise be his noodly appendage,

V

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The evidence for The Flying Spaghetti Monster is everywhere, why even the sky shows the glory of The Flying Spaghetti Monster. Have you never seen how wonderful the World is?

Under your argument the paragraph above constitutes proof.

Hmmmm.

I love this site and I love my fellow Pastafarians.

I even love the space cadets like Christian who is quite plainly off his crust.

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**9:16: Ephraim is smitten, their root is dried up, they shall bear no fruit: yea, though they bring forth, yet will I slay even the beloved fruit of their womb.**
So apparently god is OK with partial birth abortions. Then why are the religious types so fired up against them?
I’m just sayin’.
ET

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:/ How can I hate something I don’t believe exists?…

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Christian I invite you to shiver my mainbrace gar! Something for you to consider…

There seems to be a lack of other religions attacking Pastafariansim?
Why is this? Could it be because they are confident and happy in their faith and so don’t need to try and convert or knock others?

If I’m wrong come on you Muslims and Jews, you Hindus and Sikhs,roll out the mats Buddists and bring forth your lightsabers Jedi (for in England this is an officially recognised religion – oh yeah!)!

Don’t let Christian deal with us on his own…what’s that you couldn’t give a monkeys? His religion is a load of old mumbo jumbo? He’s only got one God and you’ve got many? And anyway YOUR God(s) is(are) the one true and only real God(s)?

Let’s face it Christian your memebership is falling, your importance is dwindling (apart from a heinous political power that needs to stopped immediatley!) and everything you hold dear is falling apart around your ears, everything you beleive in is being proved false. If I was in your situation I would like to think that I to would try and hold on til the bitter end – luckily I’m a Scientist! If my “pet” theory goes up the Swanee then I’d actually be interested to see what it will be replaced with.

Peace out man – which is more then yor religion has ever done for anyone ;-)

Wurzel

p.s I’m still smarting that you didn’t respond to my last couple of comments… you cut me Christain, you cut me deeep…

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yes, we love sex. christians hate it because they never get it.

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You know what Christian? Fuck you! I hate people like you. I hate those who preach what they believe in as absolute truth. I bet you’re buddies with the Phelps family. You saying that you worship the bible as absolute truth is no different than those who say the writings of L. Ron Hubbard or Jules Verne are absolute fact. I don’t want to worship a god who hates pleasure and freedom. But you’re god doesn’t just hate pleasure and freedom, he also hates those who WANT pleasure and freedom. You have to accept that there is nothing when you die, so you need t have as much pleasure and freedom NOW when you have the chance. Please go take your head out of you’re ass, wake up, and see the world for what it really is.

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“63 – November 11th, 2008 at – Paul Says:

seriously, i’m tired of “christians” talking down to readers. as a fellow christian, i don’t think that kind of tone works with real people with real problems. any such attempt will only be met with disbelief and mocking. because of you and people like you, “the lost” are learning to reject the truth instead of accepting it.”

I hope this wasn’t some kind of poorly disguised attempt at reverse psychology? No kind of tone, even an indirect manner, will cause us such a cognitive distortion as to require a “truth” because we feel “lost”. More bs(bible-speak). Don’t ever call us lost.

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I can’t hate what doesn’t exist. I do not hate God. I don’t hate anyone. I do feel sorry for the billions and billions of people duped and indoctrinated, as I once was, into believing any religion. Christian, pretend the world was populated by zombies, and you were one of the last humans. You wouldn’t hate the zombies; that’d be a waste of time. You’d just want them not to bite you. That’s kind of how it feels to be an atheist. Read a book that isn’t the bible. Brush up on your science. Evolution completely destroys the notion of any god, by the way, and if you doubt evolution it just shows you’ve never actually researched it or took the time to learn about it, because you knew it would shatter your illusions about god.

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Christian (#96)

“That being said, on to the evidence!
God ability to prophecy:http://www.godonthe.net/evidence/messiah.htm
Dinosaurs and humans coexisted:http://www.godonthe.net/evidence/messiah.htm
Global flood:we’ve found seashells on mountain tops, a is below sea level, a mountain in thousands of feet above see level. The seashells are younger than the mountains by evolution time lines. Explain.”

Well, I’ve looked at your evidence.
There are prophesies from John, Mark and Matthew who all wrote after the birth of jesus. It’s easy to predict the past but doesn’t count as prophesy.
You’re link to Dinosaurs and human is the same as the prophesy link. Put up the right one for us to judge.
Mountains rise and fall, http://www.mountain.org/education/subexplore/explore02.cfm

Christian (#124)

“So God is destroying evil, so what.

HOSEA
9:12 Though they bring up their children, yet will I bereave them”

Good old god, killing the ‘evil’ children.

“This world is completely corrupt, and whenever God sends people to help people turn from their wicked ways, the people mock them and turn them away(go back a few books to all the times God sent people over to Ephraim and Tyrus and Gilgal). And then, when God finally gets fed up and does something about it, people get mad.”

‘Wicked ways’ is not following god right? ‘God finally gets fed up’, so he murders their children. ‘People get mad’ – and yet he’s been so reasonable with them, I mean he did send people ‘to help protect them’.

“Thats just like if you were a child and your Dad said if you didn’t stop misbehaving you’d get a spanking, and then you keep on till he does, the yell “ITS NOT FAIR!!!” at the top of your lungs.”
Very true. Of course, some fathers rape their children and tell them misbehaving is telling anyone else. Context is everything.

“God is allowed to destroy evil.”
In your quote, God kills children. If you are trying to justify killing kids as ‘destroying evil’, then you are trying to justify god committing evil.

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I guess this kind of says it all
http://newsbiscuit.com/article/god-to-take-action-on-illegal-bible-distribution-409

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Hi, Christian. I’d like to reference post 124, the one where you talk about Yahweh destroying evil. Have you read 2 Chronicles 15:9-15? Yahweh grants peace and prosperity to a king because he executes anyone who won’t follow the Mosaic law, men, women, and children alike. Imagine, if you will, that the United States was founded on Christian principles. Now, imagine that the unbeliever-killing king from 2 Chronicles rules over the United States and undertakes the executive action found in 2 Chronicles 15: all American citizens who will not convert to belief in Yahweh will be summarily killed. I should not need to point out the gross injustice here. Is this king destroying evil in Yahweh’s name, or is he just getting rid of anyone who doesn’t agree with him (and thereby tossing them straight into Hell)? You said that your god has the right to destroy evil. Does that make everyone who doesn’t believe in Yahweh evil? If mass slaughters in the name of Yahweh are the destruction of evil, like you say they are, 2 Chronicles 15:9-15 says yes, all nonbelievers are evil. In this passage, Yahweh is using the same “convert-or-die” tactic that radical Muslims favor and that the Antichrist will supposedly resort to. Doesn’t Yahweh want us to seek him out of love, not because someone is threatening our lives? Through the actions of that king, Yahweh was essentially saying, “Come unto your Heavenly Father, my dear little children, or I shall have this axe driven between your precious little cervical vertebrae and bless the man who ordered it.” In this case, I believe I have every right to yell “IT’S NOT FAIR!!!” at the top of my lungs. Yahweh in 2 Chronicles 15 wasn’t like a loving father spanking his children; he was more like a torturer trying to get a confession out of his victim. I can think of many, many more Biblical examples of Yahweh “destroying evil” in this manner, each of them just as despicable.

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Let us all be allowed to believe in whatever we choose ( However misguided! ) And may his holy noodleness bless us all!

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Right. I think all you Noodly Appendage deniers need to go back to the hills, keep trying to marry your sisters and leave the running of the world (including thinking which is an ability you’re obviously devoid of) to us. Alternatively, what I think we need to do is teach about the whole spectrum of possible creators. Let’s start with the way Allah created the world shall we Christian?!

Remember, there’s a reason the word God has only one syllable.

(those damned inbred god-fearing rednecks are chasing me again … hoik)

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Christian:

In your post 125 you say “This world is completely corrupt…” and a few sentences later you say “Have you never seen how wonderful the world is? Oh if only i could help you.”.

So, the world sucks, therefore ONE EPIC FAIL FOR GOD, but it’s so wonderful, that it’s evidence of an all migthy, cool deity? Weird…

Oh, and the last sentence… well, this is one of the most illogical things I see in all religions: The god(s) of any religion do not show them selves to the people that MUST worship them (or be met with some gruesome fate after death, or oblivion), and they are all powerful (or atleast extremely powerful), but they don’t have the power or will or desire to get the people to believe in them.

Heck, your god could very easily turn me (or any other nonbeliever) if he wanted to, and, was as you say, all powerful. Why not just rearange the stars on the sky, so they would say “Hey guys, I’m here, the church which interpreted me correctly is …” or something that simply offers NO alternative explanation. Instead he provides this one guy to come here and talk about him. 2000 years ago. And he expects people to follow some very easily made up crap 2000 years later.

And, it gets better: Instead of doing an impressive thing each, say 100 years, he leaves behind only a bunch of people in robes who only argue amongst themselves and interpret a book in a bazilion ways (today, there’s over 38000 denominations of Christianity). Sorry, but that’s not at all impressive or anything, nor does it lead me to a conclusion that there is a God, and if there is one he apparently doesn’t give a sh*t about what’s happening down here.

Please reply, I’m interested in your response.

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@ Christian. What do you want Santa to bring you this year? A dildo? So you can use it on yourself and the Priest who molested you….

Get a life!

Lucifer

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You use God as just an excuse. Get over yourself already.

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Hey Christian, what’s the problem? Why are you so angry? Frankly, so what if no one here believes in Jesus? It doesn’t impact your life, so mind your business, and I’ll mind mine. Do you really think that nagging gets your point across? The purpose of religion is not to have verifiable evidence, it’s to give you a guide for your life. Just a little comfort and support in this vast and cold universe. So if I choose to believe that that comfort comes from a carb-heavy food product, and you choose to believe it came from a nice Jewish boy, then what’s the problem?

If you have enough faith in your own religion, then there would be no need to try to force everyone to agree with you. Since that seems to be your modus operendi, then I would suggest you examine your own faith before pointing fingers at a few people just trying to have a good time.

I happen to be a religious person, and I think the FSM is hilarious. I’m not bothered that most of these people would never agree with me; that’s their choice. Back off, go to your church, and learn the true meaning of “love”.

-Hannah

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Hannah #149, seems to me you at least know the meaning of love :)

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@ Christian

Wurzel here-A quick question here… can you name this person?

He was worshipped by slaves originally, he was born of a virgin and was the son of God. His birthdate was 25th December. During his life he cured bindness, leprosy and brought someone back from the dead. When he was eventually crucified at age 33, he rose from the dead 3 days later and then ascended into heaven to be with his father (God).

Do you know who it is yet?

Go on this should be easy…

Jesus Christ you say?

Nope, actually Mithras.

Just goes to show the level of originality used by writers of the Bible – alot of it is nicked from other religions around at the time, including Pagans. So this is the WORD of God? This is to be trusted? This is to be believed over evidence and all other religions? Why exactly?

At least our God is a bit more origainal, kudos to his noodliness!!

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Christian, your god is a bully and a sadist.

Did he have an unhappy childhood?

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Dear everyone,
I have decided through your logic that the following things do not exist because i have never seen them personally and even thou i see the effects of these things i do not believe in them because i haven’t seen them firsthand. Wind,data,Paris,yesterday(it could have all been in my head, who can tell),tomorrow,the sun(when i at the ground its not there! surely its a figment of my imagination),Tokyo,Osama bin laden,Oprah,Genghis Khan,Caesar,Alexander the great,Chuck Norris,Hollywood,China,etc etc.

See the problem in your logic? I make you a super skeptic unable to KNOW anything, but only able to THINK something. Anything you can’t see,hear,smell etc, right now isn’t real on your logic. I however KNOW God exists, I’d doubt my own existence before His. Is it that hard to grasp your head around the concept of God? Do you honestly think that were the most powerful beings on earth. God is all powerful, and He’s losing patience with this world. Not that you’ll believe me of course. You’ll just ignore me and call me crazy until its too late. Like always.
God sends a good person to help bad people, bad people mock/kill the good person, God destroys evil people, remaining evil people get mad and completely lose the chance for salvation. Never fails. Occasionally, a few evil people become good and find salvation but not often. I’ve tried everything. I’ll try it all again. And you won’t listen. But i HAVE to try. Its my job. All hail God, who rules in the mist of His enemies. Amen

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I posted a reply to this also on the infamous “servant of Christ” post.

Christian, seriously man, either give up or get a sense of humor. Do you honestly, truly, 100% without a doubt BELIEVE that we will all die as sinners who believed that the world was created by a flying…SPAGHETTI monster?? If you do, i am truly sorry. But man cut it out. You’re making a lot of people angry and disgusted, and hopefully that’s not what you want to do.

Let people believe what they want. Stop shoving your religion into other people’s noses. Don’t forget that’s how most wars were started Christian. God told his followers to go to war for him, to die for Him, do you not recall ever learning that?

You want proof, in my post on your other comment (which i am too tired to rewrite on here) i gave you proof that your God actually says it’s okay to have slaves, both as servants and carnal slaves. We are the one’s who love sex? Exodus 21:7 and Leviticus 25:44. Let me refresh your reading of the Holy Bible.

“I’ve tried condemning you.
I’ve tried offering you salvation.
My patience is expired with you all.
I have only one question for you all.
Why do hate God so much,what did He do to you to make you doubt His existence. Everything I know, everything I love, is in a Book you hate with all your hearts. My God is great, He is kind, and He is forgiving. Yet still, you curse Him with every word. Everything He hates, you love.”

Man, Obviously if both condemning AND salvation don’t work, we’re screwed huh? That book you mentioned Christian, i mentioned too. But i bet you didn’t know half that i can tell you is in THAT book. Please don’t say we curse him for every word, and everything he hates we love, do not lie like that. do not become the blasphemers you make us out to be. Also, i thought he was everyone’s God, not just YOUR God.

I will give you proof, i will give you what you want. I am not a heathen, and if you want to call me one go ahead. Like you said, God knows who is the sinner. Is it me, who is defending a position, or you, who is attacking that position with all the power and anger and spite he has?

Your patience is expired. Quit badgering, and live your life the way you want, while we live life the way we want, like God proclaims, before you make this fire any more dangerous.

Randomly to say, #88 catfish, your comment made my day. thanks

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Re: Post 125

Dear Christian:

I don’t like your religion because your religion makes no sense. It has nothing to do with you. You Christians always make it about you, as I’ve said before. YOU get mocked. YOU wish to save the world. YOU want us not to go to hell. Well, Christian, I have something to tell YOU.

I mock you because I can. It’s called freedom of speech. I don’t believe in God. It’s called freedom of religion. I have rights that you can’t take away. What bugs you is that thinking people will not transform into non-thinking person conforming to a lie to gain acceptance into a place that doesn’t exist when said people die. I’m so sick of hearing about conforming from religions. In Christianity it’s love Christ or die in hell. In Islam it’s obligations you have to bear hijab for Allah. Next thing you know, someone is going to be passing about the kool aid and cyanide so you can rise to heaven. Or worse yet they will kill themselves to ride a comet to the afterlife.

I’m so sick of people like you, but I manage to tolerate you because of your right to freedom of religion. I give you that and now you want to take a yard. I find this annoying and rude.

I wonder how special a religion has to be to solicited like you Christians sell it. And you are selling it. The tithes prove it.

I’m not buying it because it doesn’t come with a warranty or guarantees. The only thing I would have to look forward to is being controlled by yet another holy tome that points out how evil I am.

If not doing that makes me evil, then I’m good with that. But I will never compromise my ability to think and be rational for a religion that requires me to be an unthinking, conforming, waste of flesh.

Thank you for your post. No thank you for your religion.

Have a good day.

Meisha

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I love this website because I can come here whenever I want to see how stupid the majority of the world’s population is. (The majority of the world’s population believes in some deity other than FSM)
I hate to rain on everyone’s parade, but we spend hours proving to these x-tians that there is no empirical proof of any gods existence (other than FSM of course)and it is becoming fairly clear to me that we are wasting our time. It is like talking to someone who is viewing a warped reality… no matter how many times you tell them the sky is not purple, and the sun is not shooting laser beams through them, they just won’t listen to common sense. (Damn, those laser beams will tear you up…)
I wonder if there is another way to deal with these idiots? (No offense to the idiots in the crowd) Does anyone have any suggestions? I think if we just wrap them all in marinara soaked pasta until they see the light we may be farther ahead than trying to use logic…

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142- Epic win.
Guys, guys, guys!
This is a peaceful religion!
Lashing out won’t get us anywhere. It’ll only lower us to the level of the Bigots.
Actually, the Bigots are the only people I really truely don’t like.
Ice cream and pasta to Hannah!

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Also.
I’ve tried giving evidence for God.
I’ve tried telling you the benefits of God.
I’ve tried telling you the horrors of Hell.
I’ve tried kindness.
I’ve tried condemning you.
I’ve tried offering you salvation.
My patience is expired with you all.
I have only one question for you all.
Why do hate God so much,what did He do to you to make you doubt His existence. Everything I know, everything I love, is in a Book you hate with all your hearts. My God is great, He is kind, and He is forgiving. Yet still, you curse Him with every word. Everything He hates, you love. Sex,war,blasphemy,hate,mockery, even death you love! All you do to me is mock me. You never give evidence, you only call yourselves enlightened for your lack of faith. God warns that heathens offer freedom,pleasure,and knowledge, but they are lying. I have offered you eternal life, and you have cursed me. I do not curse you, nor your choices,nor any horrid sin you do. I cry for you. I will weep in the presence of God because of you, and because i could not save of you a single soul. So, my sinful,fallen companions i leave you today with just one question. Why?
May Christ Jesus, The One True God, have mercy on you my friends.
-Christian

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Oh crap. xD
That was a mistake.
.___.
I meant to just copy the last one where he called us his friends.
Friends don’t condemn friends for believing in different stuff.

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In my line of work I have to read the ramblings of many people with serious mental illness and I can safely say, the writings of our friend Christian here are seriously reminiscent of them. I think he/she really needs to get to a psychiatrist and get some therapy and medication. Hopefully that’ll help.

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If you mean the words you say, then I all i can say is “thank you” for your consideration, and not to worry about us. I can only speak for myself, but I think many would agree in saying: I don’t hate you,and I don’t hate your religion. I have honestly and open-mindedly tried to understand your beliefs, having been raised Christian, and studying Christian theology(as well as other religions) and ethics in college. The fact that I simply cannot reconcile my personal beliefs with yours is not a personal attack, in fact it’s not any kind of attack. As a pastafarian, and as a teacher I believe in justice and morality as a part of a world that I want to live in, I believe in respecting the dignity of every human being, and having the courage to stand up for your beliefs. While we may disagree on what we think is right, it doesn’t mean I don’t respect your right to disagree. You can try to tell others how to live their lives all you want, but in the end it is their choice.

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Hannah (post 149) has the right attitude. Most people NEED religion to give them purpose and keep them on the straight and narrow. Personally, I just want people to stop trying to push their dogma on me. Blessed be the Buddhists – they don’t go door-to-door.

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Hey Christian, thanks for your reasonably restrained letter.

Go back to your posts, and really think about them, and you’ll see why fundamentalist beliefs such as yours are not only wrong but sometimes even evil in themselves. The sheer strength of your belief has led you to believe that it is not only morally acceptable, but a good thing to kill a huge number of babies and unborn children because they are all somehow “evil”.

How can an unborn baby be evil? Given your beliefs, I would imagine that you’re against abortion, and yet you still commend this far, far more horrific act.

-Tim

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I’ve got nothing against god… it’s his fan club I can’t stand…

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There is no evidence for god.
There are no benefits of god.
There are no horrors of hell, unless I’m stuck there with people like you.
How have you been kind?
Condemn me all you like it makes no difference.
Only He can offer me salvation through noodly appendages.
I lost patience with your insane ramblings and skipped to the end.
It’s Jesus Christ, not Christ Jesus and he is not the one true god as he has no noodly appendages.
p.s I’m not your friend.

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That was everythingwe stand against too… i think were on the same side =O

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Christian!

I am intrigued by your ‘evidence’ of ID. I would like to take you up on your offer of a debate, but this forum is far from convenient. So i will keep it down to one statement/question:

If the dating of seashells on top of mountains is hard evidence, what is the difference between that and the tests which date the world older than 6000BC or whatever the year was?

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Dear Chris,
You have to forgive me but I can’t get enough of your posts. It is such a waste that you missed your calling to be a professional entertainer.
You see, I saw the long list of things that according to you, I shouldn’t believe in. Very cute, as always.
The problem, though, is your failure to follow your own line of reasoning to its conclusion. If you chastise us for not believing what we haven’t personally seen, then on what basis do you so categorically deny the existence of the Flying Spaghetti Monster? If you haven’t seen His Noodliness, does it mean that His Noodliness doesn’t exist?
Here I am talking about the FSM as a concept. Is it so hard to grasp your head around the concept of the FSM? FSM is powerful, and he is losing patience over the harassment of pirates, His chosen people. Not that you’ll believe me of course. You’ll just ignore me and call me crazy until it’s too late. Like always. I’ve tried everything. I’ll try it all again. And you won’t listen. But I have to try. The prospect of your getting stuck with stale beer and strippers who will pass STD’s to you makes me sad.
Ramen

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(I’m sorry for intruding on your conversation, but I just ran across this webpage and decided to take the chance to tell some Christians how life really goes.)

God and Christianity are an illusion, created by people so they have a false sense of security. People are weak and they know it – so they want to rely on some higher authority to always be there for them. Hence, God was made up. Someone to help you through all your problems, someone to blame if everything goes wrong and most importantly of all a way for people to GAIN MONEY.

Christians are stupid. They honestly believe that the Pope and the Church officials believe in “God” and all that crap. News flash, people, but belief is a way for someone to make a hell of a lot of money. And that’s what it does, and pretty effectively as well.

And yes, I find the prospect of FSM much more likely then “JESUS SAVIOR OF ALL”.

~ Troya has spoken

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167,
Damn; you are so right! All those things you spoke of don’t exist because you haven’t seen them, ergo, we are right in the assumption that there is no God. Brilliant!

Yor really are a dunderhead, aren’t you? I’m so glad that you waste the moments alloted you to posting here, as opposed to teaching children and others that mindless drivel. You are doing so much to further the cause by not getting education! I truely hope that someday you’ll get a more well-rounded view of the world. I doubt it, but hope sometimes is the only fuel one has.

I’m going to stop chiding you because it’s a useless affair, no shaking your convictions. I will leave you with this:

Darwin was right; there are some organisms that are over specialized. They have been in the same niche for so long that when the world and enviroment change, they can’t adapt, and they die off. Christianity has been around for a long time and its people have become ossified in their rationale; too many like you, Christian. What do you think is the future of your old tyme religion?

RAmen!

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I’ve tried showing you evidence.
I’ve tried showing you his love.
I’ve tried showing you the horrors of his thunderbolts.
What is wrong with you? Why do you hate Zeus so much that you doubt him?

[Sex,war,blasphemy,hate,mockery, even death you love!]
1. Sex is natural. Nothing evil about it. If it wasn’t for two people having sex, you wouldn’t be here.
2.Many christians support war, and the bible is full of war.
3. I see more hate filled christians than atheists. Just look at prop 8.
4. You like to mock other religions all the time.
5. Hey, your the ones that can’t wait to die so you can go meet your giant sky farie.

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@devo, post 179:
“It’s Jesus Christ, not Christ Jesus and he is not the one true god as he has no noodly appendages.”
Every man and woman has noodly apendages – hands, feet, fingers. Although not as perfect as the FSMs, they DO resemble them. Just another piece of evidence that the FSM was a bit drunk while creating us. Oh, and men have one extra noodly apendage.

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“Ou God is an awesome God, he reigns from heaven above with wisdom, pow’r and love! Our God is an awesome God!”

You who worship the freaking giant noodle have noodle brains.

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Dear Christian,
First off, you annoy me. And I would probably annoy you. But that’s fine, because we are allowed to annoy each other. I would annoy you because I turned away from the lord for personal reasons, and you annoy me because you deny any possibility other than your own.
However, neither of us can prove CONCLUSIVELY whether there is or isn’t a God, and furthermore whether it is Jehovah, Allah, Buddha, Karma, Zeus, Chuck Norris or Mr T.
You may be able to prove to your or my satisfaction that there is in fact a God, but even if you do, since you have done that there are now infinite things which this omnipotent being could have done. He could’ve created the world in seven days, yes. He could’ve raised his son from the dead, and sent prophets to his chosen people to set them on track.
Your next argument would be to prove that this newly proven God is in fact the Judeo-Christian God, for which you would of course use as your main reference the Bible. And i believe that a person such as yourself could probably put up a sound case about the prophecies in the bible that came true, the historical evidence to support those claims, et cetera.
However, there are still infinite possibilities:
What if another God posed as Yahweh for some reason humans cannot understand?
This would be dismissed as ludicrous, because no God would do that for any reason – would they?
But, of course, they could, and they could justify their reasons, being the most powerful being ever.

Furthermore, Using the bible as a reference will only get you so far. As I said, the evidence within the book would be convincing, but what about the Q’aran? the Torah? Ancient Meso-American sacred texts? All of these have prophecies which have come true, historical evidence to support them, and many of the miracles you would find in the bible. These different religions have as much right to the truth as Christendom. Their books, stories, histories prove as much as the Bible does, and you cannot say that “the bible has more proof because it was certified by God” – ultimately because the Q’aran was certified by Allah, the Torah by Yahweh and so on. And the only thing that proves that the hypothetical god is “God” is the bible.
Jesus rose from the dead?
so did most ancient ‘heathen’ gods – Osiris in Egypt, the Hero Twins of the Maya, the moon in Pagan sects, local Gods in Asian religions.
Noah escaped the Flood with God’s blessing?
Almost every culture on Earth has had at one point a flood story – and all of these cultures triumphed. In Mexico it was believed that the first world was destroyed by the gods in a great flood, and two people survived to repopulate the Earth.
Prophecies?
EVERYONE EVER has made predictions, prophecies, guesses, drug-induced hunches, and many more things, and all the ones that came true or sounded logical were published in their various forms. Mohammed even made it to Heaven. 9 times (beats Jesus by 7)
Original sin, and subsequent expulsion from Paradise?
Historians now believe that these stories (plural – in plenty of other religions too) may be metaphors, glorifications, or misinterpretations of Early man. Men used to inhabit the area around the Tirgis and Euphrates, and the other two mentioned in the bible which don’t exist any more, and that area, “the fertile crescent”, used to be bountiful beyond belief. Natural disaster, drought, or some other related thing, induced man’s struggle and exodus from the area.
Satan?
Read ‘Paradise Lost’ by John Milton. It’s a really good 1600’s interpretation of teh fall of Satan and the fall of man. It (which is as good a source as any, given that god never sat down to write his memoirs)recounts that Satan was once second only to God, in religious Zeal, honesty, and power, but never once craved what God had until God brought to life Jesus, whom he made equal to himself. Satan despised this perceived betrayal of his trust and concluded not to overthrow God, but to start his own country where Angels could be free to do as they wish. God attacked the army of Satan, subjecting his own army to much suffering, before finally sending his Son out to the field, so as to ‘Cover himself in Glory’. But seriously, whatever you think of my arguments, it’s a great book – read it.

Finally, you say you have read the bible? THis, i do not doubt, but If I picked one book off my shelf, read it and only it, and declared it the best in the world, not many would believe me. Therefore, I shall continue to look into the Bible, Q’aran, ancient Mythologies, seeking wisdom, enlightenment, ethical debate, and I would advise you to do so as well, before passing off your religion as the one and the only true one.
Thank you for your time (If you read this)

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Your pseudo-science sucks, Christian, and reflects the limit of your brainpower. We explained seashells on top of mountains to you then you asked us to explain the same argument with old anchors from boats. Cock.

Your references to god-praising fake science sites do not constitute proof. The fact that you believe in a god makes it clear you will never think like a scientist, so don’t pretend you can.

Then you refer to some god in your definitions of that god, it’s like looking up a word in the dictionary and then the definition containing the word you were looking up. Quit badgering, as a previous poster said (a fantastic closing statement), look at the world around you and wonder if a god could be responsible for this? It’s obvious that it’s all about slow, slow progress as a human race, one big, big accident that we’re here in fact, only made probable by the sheer size of the galaxy, and people like you are hindering that progress, and always have done. Even Isaac Newton had to decorate his classic science papers with “God put the planets in motion then left it to its own accord” statements just so the church wouldn’t set him on fire. We’re hundreds and hundreds of years behind on technological progress and the quest for knowledge because of xians like yourself and I resent you for that. I resent that you are even allowed access to computers by us. To me it’s the same blunder as giving facebook to paedophiles in prison, or putting religious people in powerful positions in government.

Hell, you even want to reverse the progress that’s been made. I bet you’ve got your little mobile phone with some free texts on it, you little shit. Do you think you’d have that if the world was run by people like you? You have a brain disorder. It’s a shame it’s only minor and manifests itself in schizotypal symptoms such as magical beliefs and gods, because your life is bound to be bleak and meaningless as a result. Get out of our Church.

YOU’RE STUCK IN A RUT.

p.s. Join SETI.

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5 – November 11th, 2008 at – brian t Says:

“I’ve tried giving evidence for God.”
- What evidence? Do you know what “evidence” means, or are you confusing it with “testimony”? Hint: people can say anything, or write anything, but saying or writing something does not make it true. That is what testimony is, but real evidence would exist and stand independently of human wishes and concerns. Your religion has plenty of testimony behind it, but no evidence.”

Actually, I would disagree with that. Evidence from human sources is perfectly acceptable evidence. It seems to surprise people but the courts managed to hear cases and reach verdicts based on oral evidence from witnesses long before the various forensic techniques arrived.

Thus evidence can easily include testimony – indeed in a court it is necessary for a witness to adduce an exhibit to explain how it came to be, where it was found etc.

The real problem with evidence for God is that if we assume the Bible to be the witness statements of those who were present at the time, unfortunately, none of it amounts to proof that Jesus was God and all of it is open to interpretation. The same is true of Islam, where no independent witness is able to assist us with evidence that Mohammed was instructed by God.

Further, where forensic evidence does exist it appears to contradict the eye witness accounts. I am thinking particularly of the flood in which Noah set sail with examples of all the animals etc on board. Although there is evidence for wide spread flooding, I have yet to hear that there is any evidence that the entire planet was suddenly submerged leaving no rock above water. Further, I am unaware of any remains having been found that shows the human species suddenly disappearing from the record in a mass extinction.

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Who are you to condemn us when your god forgives us?

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Go 188! It’s so handy when someone else says everything you were going to say.

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My Pasta! You’re right! I never realized that things were real just because you had no evidence to the contrary!

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Christian you sound like you need a hug.

I don’t know whey you bother wasting your time trying to save these heathens. God will sort it all out. He’s like omnipotent and stuff.
In fact, now that I come to think of it, it’s a bit impertinent of you to try and save people when that was Jesus’s job.
Do you think you can win where Jesus failed?
John Lennon was killed for saying less than that.

Blasphemer!!!!

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You sound an awful lot like the Antichrist…
:/

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quite frankly I sometimes think that these posts are given to us as a sorce for amusement. we all just gather around and sling mud at each other. I quite enjoy it personaly. I particularly enjoy attempting to sling mud in as intelligent a fasion as possible. But I must say the difference between some of these posts are like the difference between enraged gorillas high on some form of halusinogen and history nerds building mud catapults. Are some people simply comeing on here and posing as ingnorent people or have some gorillas escaped from the zoo and broken into an internet cafe?

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Interesting statistic about this letter: The writer talks about himself (or herself) more than he/she talks about God. Mentions of I, Me, or My: 18. Mentions of God, He, His, or Jesus: 14

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@ Christian # 53

“God loves all those who love Him and tries to make those who don’t love Him do.”

That’s called “Attention and Affection Deficit Disorder”

RAmen

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We can’t hate your god that doesn’t exist, but if it did exist, and it created evil as it claims in the bible (Isaiah 45:7, KJV) – “I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.”) then all of us would hate it.
Unless of course we loved evil. As apparently Christian does.

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“I’ve tried giving evidence for God.
I’ve tried telling you the benefits of God.
I’ve tried telling you the horrors of Hell.
I’ve tried kindness.
I’ve tried condemning you.
I’ve tried offering you salvation.”

No wonder Christians are Schizophrenic…

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please read up on the Babel Fish, it’s reasoning has more logic than you have. Even Richard Dawkins has a point about atheist being a bunch of unorganized stray cats. so why be a priest to the whole, they’ll never listen. And do realise you’re trying to converge a group equal to your religion’s other main competitors.
I’d love seeing you try at a mosque, synagogue or loge or whatever to get people to all embrace your views. you won’t, you’ll never succeed. People naturally have differend opinions and views. and not everyone wants to hear another people’s story. which is contrairy to the lie that you’ve been told at church that all people are born to linger to the word of god. Just be happy with the christians allready there. if god wanted us all to hear about this holy word he could also just for once open his mouth and speak to us. It’s just people talking now with arrogance in their heart because of a book now. And trying to converge is most arrogant of all. Peace in mind and heart a blessing granted to view.

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Dear Chris…

I very much agree when you write: “you only call yourselves enlightened for your lack of faith”. I really appreciate this. Not everyone is able to deal with reality. Not everyone is curious and inquisitive enough as to question everything. So yes, were are in fact enlightened. Thanks for noticing it.

As for your kindness, I feel your attempt it is very much empty and forced by fear. I rather had you try respect.

Condemning you [I/us]? You can keep trying. Not even the imaginary friend you call god can do that… Maybe His Noodliness will condemn you! Just a joke! He loves you and wants you to live a happy a fruitful life (as opposed to a fearful one.)

may his noodly force be with you

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Wow-zers… This one left me speechless… I… I… I don’t really know how to react except with aghast outrage… Correct me if I am wrong, but I don’t beleive we have ever say we hated Christians? I hate the DOGMA of religion and the hate-filled attitudes it instills in some folks… I take some comfort in the fact that my own Christian friends respect me for who I am and not which invisible all-powerful deity(ies) (however delicious or otherwise noodly they are) that I believe in. In times such as the ones we live in humanity needs to stand together… I fear for humanity if this is how we must behave towards eachother… Ah well… Se la vie I suppose…

RAmen!
Cap’m RedTom

P.S.: I believe that somewhere in the bible it says something like “don’t hate or CONDEMN someone on account of their beliefs” think on that if you will Christian… It’s a paraphrase of y your Book that you were talking about, Think on it!!

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P.P.S.: oh, and sorry about the typos on the above post… I have been typing this on my iPod Touch and I have huge thumbs on a tiny keyboard…
Anyway…
RAmen!
Cap’m RedTom

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God never did anything to confirm his existence, hence I doubt

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It is sanctimonious drivel like yours, christian that simply re-affirms my absolute belief that you and the rest of your misguided chums are completely and utterly off your rockers. Try getting a life. Soon. This is it, and you are wasting yours.

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I am truly sorry for the hateful words my fellow Christians have written here.

My own understanding of God is based on love and compassion, not fear and hate and ignorance. I believe the best way to honour Him is to be a good example for others, by caring for and helping others, not by forcing your beliefs on them. I therefore applaud your continuing efforts to expose the power structure within Christianity, and the people who uses His name to oppress others.

My blessings to you all, I think you can do more for all us peaceful Christians from the outside than we can do ourselves from within.

Sincerely
Magdala from Sweden

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My Friend,

I can only pray that the great Flying Spaghetti Monster, the one true deity, takes you into his appendages and forgives you for trying to convert his followers away from the one true religion. Luckily, He is a kind deity who does not cast non-followers into awful torment by default.

Tastiness be with you,
Brother in His Noodliness

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I’ve tried giving evidence for God.
And failed miserably.

I’ve tried telling you the benefits of God.
Ditto.

I’ve tried telling you the horrors of Hell.
Stale beer and VD are tragic, true.

I’ve tried kindness.
Liar.

I’ve tried condemning you.
Well, that much is true.

I’ve tried offering you salvation.
When last I checked, that’s not your job.

My patience is expired with you all.
And it’s expensive to renew, so I’m told.

I have only one question for you all.
Pray tell, what is this question?

Why do hate God so much,what did He do to you to make you doubt His existence.
That’s two questions, really, or not a question at all, seeing as you didn’t finish the sentence with one of these guys: ?.

Everything I know, everything I love, is in a Book you hate with all your hearts.
Wow. You don’t love people that aren’t in your Bible? Worse, you don’t KNOW people that aren’t in your Bible? You need to get out more.

My God is great, He is kind, and He is forgiving.
More so than you, it would appear.

Yet still, you curse Him with every word.
Nuh-uh.

Everything He hates, you love.
?

Sex,war,blasphemy,hate,mockery, even death you love!
Yes yes yes oh god yes, no, yes, no, yes, no.

All you do to me is mock me.
Not true. I go to work as well.

You never give evidence, you only call yourselves enlightened for your lack of faith.
We have a graph, silly. Where is your graph?

God warns that heathens offer freedom,pleasure,and knowledge, but they are lying.
These things need warnings?

I have offered you eternal life, and you have cursed me.
Again, not your job, last I checked.

I do not curse you, nor your choices,nor any horrid sin you do.
Thank you so much.

I cry for you.
Need a hankie?

I will weep in the presence of God because of you, and because i could not save of you a single soul.
Don’t be so sure of that.

So, my sinful,fallen companions i leave you today with just one question.
You’ve already asked two questions. You want ANOTHER one?

Why?
In the words of the immortal 20th century philosopher Bluto Blutarsky, “Why not?”

May Christ Jesus, The One True God, have mercy on you my friends.
I won’t hold my breath.

-Christian
That much is certain.

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See Christian, Magdala of Sweden gets it. Why can’t you? Thank you Magdala!

Christian you should stop being such a buttinski and just get on with your own worshiping and rapture and whatever, and leave those who don’t believe alone. It’s not up to you or anyone else to save our souls.

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I truly appreciate your attempts to “save” us. But, if we have chosen a life that in your mind will lead to eternal damnation and an afterlife of horrors, then why should you doubt our choice? We have not tried to convert you. We have not tried to “save” you. We let you live with your choice. Almost all religions see every follower of every other religion as a sinner that will suffer for their sins in the afterlife. Everyone is a sinner in someone’s eyes. Trying to “save” everyone is a goal that cannot be achieved by anyone. People born into a religion cannot be called a sinner for they have never made a choice. So, I ask you, why do you try to convert us to your religion when as soon as we join you another person will take your place and try to convert us to their religion? They will say the same things: “you will be damned in the afterlife”, “you have chosen a horrid lifestyle”, “you are a terrible sinner”. So why believe you? What makes your choice the best choice? What makes you the almighty savior of us sinners? What proof do you have that cannot be produced by any other religion that supports your cause? Every religion has its bible. Every religion has its story. Every religion differs in just enough ways to forget all the similarities between them. Why is your religion the right one? Answer these question I have asked and then, and only then, will I consider you anything resembling a “savior” to me.

Sincerely,
Bobtehevlmol

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By far the best spelling from any Christian visitor goes to Magdala, post #207, who ironically is from Sweden so congratulations to you, a fine example to the rest of you potty-mouthed children who don’t know much yet.

All Hail His Noodly Lordship The FSM.

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“Jesus the one true God” What?!?! wait a minute that’s retarded even for christians! Isn’t jesus just one part of their trinity? And if he is wouldn’t it have to be “Jesus: one the three true gods??” Seems to me this guy is too confused about his own religion. My response to him is learn your stuff first, THEN post on the internet.

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Hi Christian,
You say “I will weep in the presence of God because of you, and because i could not save of you a single soul.”
What on earth or in heaven makes you think that you are responsible or even capable of saving our souls? Your own Bible (and yes, I have studied it) states categorically that it is Jesus who saves through Faith and that faith is a gift from God. It seems to be You who has the wrong end of the stick here my friend.
PastaTux

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god hates sex? so anyone that reproduces goes to hell?

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I’ve tried eating Pasta.
It worked; I have been touched by his noodly appendage.
Looks like you went to a lot more trouble than me, and who’s better off now?

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“Sex,war,blasphemy,hate,mockery, even death you love!”

Yes, no, yes, no, yes and no!

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“My own understanding of God is based on love and compassion, not fear and hate and ignorance.”

Then you don’t know your Bible.

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Good call, Troya, Good call.

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@Christian
What is your “Book”?
I will assume that it is the King James translation of the Vulgate New Testament and the Masoretic Hebrew scriptures. I do not know sufficient Latin to say anything about the Vulgate, but I can read the Hebrew, and I must tell you that the English is a bad translation. I suspect that you cannot read the Book in the original, and so you do not know anything about what it really says. You would then be trusting some anonymous twelfth century scribe who thought that he knew what it should say.

What is hateful to you, do not do to others. (All the rest is commentary – go and learn it) Hillel

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Remember that the first commandment is,”Be fruitful and multiply”.
Therefore, gd loves sex and mathematics.
RAmen

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Remember that the first commandment is,”Be fruitful and multiply”.
Therefore gd love sex and mathematics.
RAmen

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Doll, if ya want a population, ya need sex. and your the ones hating us. ;P

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poor wayward soul.

You don’t realize that you are the one who has been fooled. You don’t realize that your idolatry will be your own undoing. You need to break the strands of bondage and accept the Flying Spaghetti Monster into your collander, lest ye be made ta walk the plank.

You can still escape your fate. All things are pasta bowl through him. Cast off your false god and rejoice in the truth.

Eternity is a long time to live with stale beer, strippers with VD, and ever so many sharks.

-a concerned pastafarian

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It cracks me up, because they’re saying “You never give evidence.”

I’m just a fan of irony, I suppose.

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After 225 comments (which I have not read) why does he not change his tune and hate atheists and muslems? I guess he must be tuckered out from all the saving of others.

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Sex is good we kind of need it. When did we say we were warmongers, I for one hate war even that damn card game version. Didn’t your bible say not to condemn others less you be condemned. Maybe it was just the judging others.

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Chris, (May I call you Chris?)

Maybe you haven’t tried hard enough.

Try reading our gospel to find our weaknesses. Try talking like a pirate, ye bloke! Try reading other points of view. Try questioning your inability to understand the lowly blasphemers. Buck up you lubber, your religion requires it!

Yeah, try it.

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The very point of Pastafarianism is to emphasize that there is no evidence that God exists, just as there is no evidence that the great FSM exists. I condemn the existence of neither, for they both seem about as likely; a bunch of flying noodles, or an invisible, all powerful creature with no sex, and a kid. I agree with the other Pastafarians that, yeah, you need sex. I mean, COME ON. Yet I also disagree with your statement about war. Were there not a number of wars fought “in the name of God”? I seem to recall a number of bloody and violent holy wars called the “Crusades” fought between the Christians and the Muslims in the 11th, 12th, and 13th centureis (BC), though I may be wrong. I’m also pretty sure that those wars were STARTED by the Christians in an attempt to take back LAND (talk about materialistic) from the Muslims. It is likely that more blood loss has been caused by Christians then by any other religion of this Earth. And your comment about hate, we do not hate, we just don’t BELIEVE. As for eternal life, I would rather live this life that I KNOW I have, as grandly as possible, rather than living in the shadow of a strict religion my entire life. Be there an afterlife, (and I think there must be) then I am sure that God, or the FDM, or any deity, will not deny me entry just because I do not believe in him. Would you hate me if I said I did not believe YOU existed? I think you would just be a little confused and freaked out. And as I end this comment, I answer your: “why”. In return, I ask you the same question, WHY? Why do you believe that we are damned, merely because we choose to have a little fun in our lives? If indeed there is a God, I think he will definitely have a sense of humor, for according to you’re bible, “we are created in his image”, and I know most of us love a good joke.

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“Everything He hates, you love”?

Then he must really despise root beer, because I think it’s awesome.

Also, I know I’m not the first to note the delicious flavorific irony of a god that hates hate, but it’s the kind of dessert that makes you check the scale the next morning.

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He’s done nothing. That is why we doubt his existence!

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His “god” isn’t any better than ours. Keep believing my fellow pastafars.

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u no, God (FSM!) cares more for his people. In heaven, he gives them the pleasure of a Stripper Factory and a Beer Volcano.

RAmen

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What evidence is there of “god”?

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We don’t hate god, we believe that god is a flying speggati monster.

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I don’t hate god,I worship Him,I worship the Flying Spaghetti Monster.Why my god would be less tru than yours?

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Face it he’s talking bollocks, where are those crack pretzel ninja assassins when you need them?

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If your god created everything, then he created the FSMism, and the one and only reason to do that is because he believes in the FSM.

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I don’t hate God, I just don’t believe in him. It’s a completely different thing.
We never give evidence? Do you?
We love sex? Strangely i think most christians do too…

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When did we say we hate God and the Bible?

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God invented hate, murder, child molesters, sex, drugs, sodomy (yum), books with swear words and menstruation, sausage gravy (yum again), cholesterol, death, smelly old grandmas, spiders…etc, ad nauseum, according to Christian beliefs. So if you love God and all his glory, all of the above must be included. Cholesterol lover.

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hey since when do you have the authority to grant eternal life?

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I find it absolutely hilarious that there are people out there (conservative Christians, cough, cough.) That think this is a real religion. It started as a joke, probably between a group of friends, a member of the aforementioned group contacted the school board and it grew from there. None, I repeat, None, of this is in any way a real religion, regardless of how much I wish it was. It’s an inside joke, only known by non-retarded people. So all your Christiacathlomormons out there who think this is blasphemy, save your downs-syndrome influenced retorts and suck on my butt-crack.

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And about what God just finished saying, I’m not so sure that I’m interested in believing in a God that isn’t secure enough in its own omnipresence and omniscience that is would send any of its questioners into an unforgiving fire-hole. So until an actual religious person replies to this without using a religiously influenced debate barricade, I’m gonna go have sex with a child, and set your grandma on fire.

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Fuck ‘em if they can’t take a joke.

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Hey God. I’ll make you a deal. I’ll shut up about the FSM and never promote His noodly appendages again if you, or anyone can show me evidence as to why the FSM does not exist, that cannot also be used to disprove your god(s).

Peace and Long Life,
Zane

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Hey hey now #244/Jesus, number four of the Eight I’d Really Rather You Didn’t clearly states “I’d really rather you didn’t indulge in conduct that offends yourself, or your willing, consenting partner of legal age AND mental maturity.” Having sex with a child is in direct violation of His Holy Noodleness.

This coming from a hybrid believer (follower of Christ and God, follower of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, follower of the Invisible Pink Unicorn).

And why not? We can all get along together just fine :)

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I didn’t read all of the comments, but did anyone pay attention to these lines?
“Everything He hates, you love.
Sex,war,blasphemy,hate,mockery, even death you love!”

Apparently God hates those who hate, therefore he hates himself.

At least I can sleep safely tonight knowing that we will never have to hear from this persons children (as God hates sex)

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shit. if god hates hate i think he just imploded.

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It’s not true, god loves sex. God did command Adam and Eve to be fruitful and multiply. His priests have been enjoying sex ever since. Also, if priests are to be the example, children are to be included in the joy of sex without regard to the sex of the child. So, God also loves homosexuality.

God loves hate, Christians have been promoting hate since the dawn of their religion. They are as good at it as the fanatical fallowers of Allah. Without hate how can you have a good war. History shows that God loves war, there was more than just one crusade.

Blasphemy, of others’ religions, and mockery lead to hate.

the only thing God does hate is death. He can’t have people just quit being. So God created heaven and hell. Heaven to torture the boring with boredom forever. Hell to burn the ones who managed to have fun in their life.

Maybe god created heaven so the gullable would kiss his ass forever.

I haven’t seen anything in life to show God is good, merciful, or loving.

I just thought a thought i never thought before.

Sex was God’s punishment for the knowledge of good and evil.
I wonder if christians think that if they get rid of knowledge and sex God will bring back the garden of eden.

If God is a male and The first one god creates in his image is another male, does that mean God is Gay?

May FSM nourish all

RAmen

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wtf? since when do we love those things? we just don’t SEE a god, we see the deity known as FSM.

can i get a RAmen?

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What the flying fuck makes you think god-whoever he is- hates sex and death. those are beautiful parts of life. i mean maybe we dont like death so much but its pretty much good for us in the long run. definately gods idea anyway. my god u scare me

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Everyone here is purposefully misunderstanding things. I’m not even christian and i find this offensive. Well i find all forms of racism offensive. Racism comes from misunderstanding and people who are too retarded to even try to think about it >.>.

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Oi, christian. Even if god did exist and was standing right in front of me, I HAVE NO NEED OF HIM or his loony followers. get a life.

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How can I hate something that I do not believe even exists?

RAmen

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ok first of all i do not hate god and curse his name i do not believe in him there for it would be irrational to hate him i think of my self as a rational person ive haven’t believed in god since i was 10 i was just baffled that people in in times of modern medicine and modern science can believe in some thing that was used to explain things when we were ill informed and gos has never done anything to make me not believe in him because he hasn’t done anything i think this website is a good fight against teaching natural design in schools
Sex,war,blasphemy,hate,mockery, even death you love!
wow i just hate people like you first of all how many wars have been fought in the name of the almighty god how many people killed you sicken me and ex is a completely natural and not a sin and well of course your supposed to enjoy it so i dont care about that death why death aren’t you the one who warships a dead person and celebrate by eating his flesh and drinking his blood sounds satanic if anything you are the one who loves death not atheist
sincerely,14 year old

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