I’ve tried giving evidence for God.
I’ve tried telling you the benefits of God.
I’ve tried telling you the horrors of Hell.
I’ve tried kindness.
I’ve tried condemning you.
I’ve tried offering you salvation.
My patience is expired with you all.
I have only one question for you all.
Why do hate God so much,what did He do to you to make you doubt His existence. Everything I know, everything I love, is in a Book you hate with all your hearts. My God is great, He is kind, and He is forgiving. Yet still, you curse Him with every word. Everything He hates, you love. Sex,war,blasphemy,hate,mockery, even death you love! All you do to me is mock me. You never give evidence, you only call yourselves enlightened for your lack of faith. God warns that heathens offer freedom,pleasure,and knowledge, but they are lying. I have offered you eternal life, and you have cursed me. I do not curse you, nor your choices,nor any horrid sin you do. I cry for you. I will weep in the presence of God because of you, and because i could not save of you a single soul. So, my sinful,fallen companions i leave you today with just one question. Why?
May Christ Jesus, The One True God, have mercy on you my friends.
-Christian
I’ve tried
Published by Bobby Henderson November 11th, 2008 in Hate Mail (and concerned criticism). 363 Comments
363 Responses to “I’ve tried”
BTW, Christian if your god is real, then the “benefit” viz. living eternally with him and his nailed up kid and Jerry Falwell and the rest of the true believers like yourself would be like going to a dinner party hosted by Hitler that never ended. Imagine partying with the guy who drowned all those people in the biblical flood, and rained fire and brimstone on Sodom and Gommorah, and ordered the genocide of the people of Jerico. And then people like you, Sarah Palin, James Dobson, Jerry Falwell as my party companions for all eternity. Fuck, I so much prefer hell where Bill Marher, Hugh Hefner, every female porn starlet, Mark Twain, Steven Colbert, Bertrand Russell, and all the people who post on this board are gonna be. Betcha hell will have Fleetwood Mac with Stevie Nicks singing Riannon while Jenna Jameson gives me head. Bill Mahrer will bring the bong, and you know they serve Beef Stroganoff every night. Hell it’s cooler than you think.
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Zinc Alloy, post 62:
Your post was clever and well worded, and I think it thoroughly got across your point.
It also made me smile. Especially the beginning. :]
Just thought you might want to know haha.
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ROFL. Christian I don’t think I’ve laughed this hard in like…ever. Just reading all the awesome replies and hate mail had me LMAOing. LOLOLOLOL
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Dear Christian:
I’m so overwhelmed by your (intial) forbearance, I’m almost speechless. What a wonderful person you must be, to want to “save” all of the followers of His Divine Noodleyness. It’s really too bad that our Flying Spaghetti Monster doesn’t encourage His worshippers to blindly defend His existence with violence. Otherwise you could be a martyr, or even a Saint! Wouldn’t that be great? Then you could really have the power/authority to condemn other people. I can’t speak for my fellow pirates, but I don’t feel the least bit condemned. Could you please post a list of symptoms so that we’ll know when it’s working?
With regards,
RAmen.
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Oh wow. See, this is why I’m not Christian. *shudders* And to think I was almost pestered out of my heathen existence by my friends to go to Church. INSANITY!
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Christian (#53) – Welcome back.
“All im saying here, all im trying to get across, is that Jesus loves everyone, and all He asks in return is that you return the favor by loving Him and following His commandments.”
All we’re trying to say is we don’t think jesus exists and can’t love anyone or ask anything.
You respond to every arguement with a dogmatic insistence that he does exist but you give no proof, just endless examples of your own faith.
I can’t believe just because you say its so. I need something tangible. It makes no sense to me, no more than people insisting that have faith in the Flying Spaghetti Monster does to you.
We’re not going to convert you or vice versa, we’re as sad for you as you are for us.
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To Lord Shplane,
My name is actually Michele, but one day in high school a good friend turned to me and said, “You’re name is boring. I’m going to call you Mitchell.” By the end of high school, I had teachers that called me Mitchell. Eventually it got cut down to Mitch and I prefer it that way. Plus, being a witch, it makes me Mitch the Witch. Too funny.
Oh! And I’d like to extend a thank you to Cape Buffalo. I think I’m awesome too.
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Dear Christian:
I love how Christians make it all about them. “I couldn’t save you…” Did you ever stop to think that nothing you do benevolently is selfless? You always do good works so that YOU can get into that make-believe place called “heaven”. It’s all about what YOU can do to make people see the light of God. You. You. You. I simply don’t want to hear about “YOU” anymore.
You’re right. I do love blasphemy. It’s my favorite pasttime. Sex is great too. Even that fornication I’m partaking in when I have loving sex with my lesbian partner. I love fornicating. I can’t help mocking you because, well, its so darned easy. You leave yourself open for it.
I don’t want a god who allegedly created me but then hates me because I’m a lesbian. If in fact he made me, he made me with the preconception that I would like women over men. So in fact, your theory of creation is wrong. It is actually science that makes a pregnancy (you know this story right…the ovum and sperm come together causing a chain reaction of cell splitting to create a baby) and the nature of a person before they are born. Not a miracle.
I grow tired of explaining logic to you. It’s kind of like bashing your body against a stone wall to knock it down. I view all Christians to be tiny lemmings that will gladly leap off the cliff and die because everyone else is, their god told them to, and because they can’t think for themselves beyond what to have for dinner…and even then it’s questionable.
Please, Christian, by all means leave us to lead our own lives.
As for your question of why…how about the answer is simply there is no such thing as god. God is not alive or existing. There is no holy spirit, just people acting in out passion. There is no son because no one can be raised from the dead and not be a zombie. There is no Santa Claus. There is no Easter Bunny. And finally, there is no Tooth Fairy either. All of these things are legends designed to either a) control people, b) control children, c) make life fun for people, and d) entertain.
I am sorry that you have FAILED to come to this logical conclusion. I hope that one day you are touched by His Noodliness in a way that is tangible. In a way that makes you realize that all your life has been wasted on a false promise. I hope you recover from that quickly.
Meisha
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Christian, you should have expected that you would be scorned. Why can’t we adopt a “live and let live” philsophy? What makes us so interesting to you God-fearing types anyway?
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Christian,
Spoken like a true Pirate! God is sitting right here next to me (he lives in Ireland but has to keep a low profile because of the goings-on with the priests) and he says, “Meh. Like, OK. Not 3 bad, that Christian dude.” I mean, you know how He gets sometimes. Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
Like Jesus (one of His sons) says in the undiscovered Gospel, “Have some pasta and relax. Chpt 3 vs 5″ and “There really is no point getting annoyed about stuff so have a cuppa” Chpt 100997 vs 19775294729.27327. Glory be to His word, eh? Eh?
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Wow, even tough Christian has an awesome belief he still sad… sad for us?
Pastafarians are never sad for anyone, only amused by others ignorance.
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@Christian
“My God is great, He is kind, and He is forgiving.”
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#53
“God loves all those who love Him and tries to make those who don’t love Him do.”
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What be the name of your loving, forgiving god Christian? You’re obviously not referring to the one referenced in Hosea?!
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HOSEA
9:12 Though they bring up their children, yet will I bereave them, that there shall not be a man left: yea, woe also to them when I depart from them!
9:13 Ephraim, as I saw Tyrus, is planted in a pleasant place: but Ephraim shall bring forth his children to the murderer.
9:14: Give them, O LORD: what wilt thou give? give them a miscarrying womb and dry breasts.
9:15: All their wickedness is in Gilgal: for there I hated them: for the wickedness of their doings I will drive them out of mine house, I will love them no more: all their princes are revolters.
9:16: Ephraim is smitten, their root is dried up, they shall bear no fruit: yea, though they bring forth, yet will I slay even the beloved fruit of their womb.
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13:4 Yet I am the LORD thy God from the land of Egypt, and thou shalt know no god but me: for there is no saviour beside me.
13:7 Therefore I will be unto them as a lion: as a leopard by the way will I observe them:
13:8 I will meet them as a bear that is bereaved of her whelps, and will rend the caul of their heart, and there will I devour them like a lion: the wild beast shall tear them.
13:15 Though he be fruitful among his brethren, an east wind shall come, the wind of the LORD shall come up from the wilderness, and his spring shall become dry, and his fountain shall be dried up: he shall spoil the treasure of all pleasant vessels.
13:16 Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up.
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…and on and on, right the way from go to woe through Hosea, this *god* gets off ranting hate, vengeance and death…including slaughtering the unborn in the womb!
..all over it’s intended groupies not showing the obedience/worship that it craves…and a calf statue!
Yea…way to love, forgive and receive love!
More like a story written by control freaks to garner obedience via instilling the fear of an invisible boogeyman’s wrath, further maintained and interpreted (conveniently distorted) through the to this day so as to herd the ignorant, the weak and the gullible to feed the money-hungry, power-junkie fund-a-nuts!
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The quickest, most enlightening way to atheism Christian is a thorough and objective reading of your own Holey BuyBull!
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ps Remember…don’t you eat NO Rockbadgers :)
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Oh…and has the FSM blessed us with paragraph breaks now?
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Well, Christian… You didn’t last very long…
What if we’re wrong? What if YOU’RE wring? xD
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Christian,
I am a scientist and I promise you know next to nothing about the subject. First off the scientific community does not protect theories. They are tested rigorously and if they hold up to the tests presented they are held on to until they are disproved. If they are disproved a new theory is formed. Many people seem to not understand the difference between a ‘theory’ which any moron can spew in everyday conversation and a ’scientific theory’. For example gravity is still just a scientific theory. Since it can be tested it cannot be compaired to God, because although they are both invisible God can’t not be proved through repeatable, verifiable tests or observable data, and gravity can.
As to the fossil record. We have successfully extracted DNA from fossils, in recent years. The first time was by Svante Paabo from a Neanderthal fossil found in Neander Valley in Germany in 1856 (not done in 1856). This shows a clear link to modern humans (through things like the mitochondria). This is a rare process because it is hard to find fossils with viable DNA. However it is expected over the next 20 years or so that a way may become available to make it a bit more common. It is a long painful science explanation. The transitional animal from sea to land has been found, all though it is a more recent find, so most likely fewer people know of it. It is called the Tiktaalik roseae. Not going to explain it a Goggle will give you like 20 articles about it. Besides all of this if the world was only 6 million years old as the bible claims we would not have fossils that are way older than that. Then add in that most Creationists claim that humans and dinosaurs lived together and they were herbivores. The simple build of a dinosaur and basic logic rules out that they were all herbivores (some have sharp teeth and claws). Dinosaurs did not live at the same time as humans. The Flintstones is not the documentary you think it is.
Next we move on to the argument for Irreducible Complexity. I could go on and on about this. But basically it doesn’t hold up. First example was the eye which was debunked. So Creationist supporters went after a microscopic organism. Specifically the eukaryotic cilium and its flagellum, which is used for propulsion. Anyway that one doesn’t hold up either;
http://chem.tufts.edu/AnswersInScience/MillerID-Collapse.htm
Tired of typing it out. If you don’t understand it, ask.
Next. I don’t see why God could not have intended evolution and set the stage for all if it. To say that God has to have a direct hand in every step of our progress greatly diminishes in my eyes the power of God. It seems ludicrous to say that a supreme being could not foresee and plan out a map of things to come and set it into motion. Belief in God and belief in science does not have to be mutually exclusive. I find most people who think it needs to be don’t get science and find it easier to believe than to learn and question, or the other side is people who treat science as a religion, which is in my opinion the wrong way to approach science, because it stops them from approaching it with an open mind, which is a necessity.
Some people try to take the Bible literally, which I explained earlier is pretty much impossible to do. Aside from which I don’t think it was ever intended to be taken literally.
People also mistakenly assume that if they can disprove something it automatically proves something else, which it doesn’t. It defies logic to assume so, and God gave us logic for a reason, don’t you think? If say some one disproved the current theory of gravity, it does not automatically prove their theory that the reason we don’t fly of the planet that little invisible imps are holding us down with pocket change, does it? No. Evidence for a new theory would have to be presented and tested. Could you imagine the state of medicine today if we didn’t present and test new theories and have them stand up to those tests?
I get tired of re-stating and re-stating this stuff. I mostly just feel like the people who don’t want to believe, or have things conflict with their beliefs will simply not listen, which is exactly how it tends to play out. It frustrates and irritates me, so I usually just keep my mouth shut. People without reason will never acquire it I am starting to think.
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Dear everyone , i have long since tried to teach you the glory of God philosophically,
Since Saturday. Not even a full week.
…mainly because its easier to both teach and to learn.
Not at the same time, surely. Class would be extremely chaotic.
However, I can clearly see now that I’m dealing with right here, right now people.
I have that song in my head now.
I will give you evidence of the Christian God.(I’ll go ahead and say it “took you long enough”) I’ll start by saying I’ve read the whole bible and am not offended by God’s wrath in the old testament. Reason? Imagine a world without police.
I’m so thankful the Police don’t go slaughtering children in a tantrum, oh wait – I’m sure I can find proof they have. Darn. Also, how convenient of you to to not be offended by God’s behaviour. It almost sounds like you forgive him for being so bad and mean and vengeful. Maybe your forgiveness saved his soul. Does God need your forgiveness?
That being said, on to the evidence!
Can’t Wait!!
God ability to prophecy:http://www.godonthe.net/evidence/messiah.htm
Dinosaurs and humans coexisted:http://www.godonthe.net/evidence/messiah.htm Global flood:we’ve found seashells on mountain tops, a is below sea level, a mountain in thousands of feet above see level. The seashells are younger than the mountains by evolution time lines. Explain.
That’s all you’ve got? *sigh* I’m so disappointed. I was hoping for vacation shots of the two of you at Lourdes or something.
There. Evidence of God.
You get a D- but thank you for trying.
I’m done arguing and I’m done “ranting”. If you want to debate me scientifically feel free to.
Don’t put ranting in quotes. Even you admitted you ranted.
P.S. you can’t deny something is real just because you can’t see it. Otherwise, gravity, the wind, words, and computer data don’t exist.
Drop a bowling ball on your foot and you can witness and feel the effects of gravity. Stand in the wind and feel it on your skin and lift your hair and destroy buildings in a hurricane or just ass smoke to it and voila – there it is! I am reading your words right now on a computer and creating my own with every tap on the keyboard. Your arguments are very weak. You’ll need to do better and find far more conclusive evidence to sway me and these other hardened non-believers.
You want a scientific debate, then by God I’ll give you one.
I would love one, but I fear you are ill-equipped to do so because if you honestly believe dinosaurs and humans walked together than you’ve already shown you are incapable of grasping evidence based facts. To quote Derren Brown, “We need to live by our hearts as well as our brains to engage most wonderfully in this world: sadly there is often a proud refusal amongst True Believers to engage with the latter.”
Your heart is in it, Chris, but sadly you’ve not got the brains. Yet. You can at least get smarter if you let yourself.
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I can just visualise Christian typing with spittle coming out of the corner of his mouth, soaking the keyboard. One hand busy doing something else.
Got a horrible feeling he’ll be down to Wal-Mart soon to buy a Remington with a scope and then do what every other bloody religious nut seems to be compelled to do – find himself a nice spot on the clock tower.
tit
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Christians go through the lubbers’ hole to reach the maintop. Pastafarians swarm up the futtock shrouds like true pirates.
I think this summarises the theological gulf between us.
See Grundelssen, ‘Grundriß der Piraten- und Seeräubertheologie’ chapter 147.
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My apologies, although a funny typo, “just ass smoke” was supposed to be “Just add smoke”. Was not to imply one blow smoke out their ass.
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I’ve tried giving evidence for God.
Really? Where is it, then?
I’ve tried telling you the benefits of God.
And those are…?
I’ve tried telling you the horrors of Hell.
Incorrect. Dante told us the horrors of hell, you miserable jackoff.
I’ve tried kindness.
Incorrect. You’ve told us that we will be damned if we don’t convert. Doesn’t sound too kind to me.
I’ve tried condemning you.
And it’s obviously not working, so why don’t you stop trying?
I’ve tried offering you salvation.
Once again, all you’ve tried offering us is damnation.
My patience is expired with you all.
Back at you, douchebag.
I have only one question for you all.
Okay, shoot.
Why do hate God so much,what did He do to you to make you doubt His existence.
Nothing. When he reveals himself to me, maybe I’ll start believing.
Everything I know, everything I love, is in a Book you hate with all your hearts.
If everything you love is in a ceturies old book of fiction, you must be one miserable jackoff.
My God is great, He is kind, and He is forgiving. Yet still, you curse Him with every word.
Yeah? Really? Here’s some kindness for you- Psalms 137:9 Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the rocks. Yeah. Reall compassionate. Asshole.
Everything He hates, you love.
Not really.
Sex,war,blasphemy,hate,mockery, even death you love!
I’ll divide this one up.
Sex- It needs to happen. It’s how you got here. It just so happens to feel good too.
War- No. War sucks.
Blasphemy- It’s not blasphemy to us. To us, YOU are the blasphemer.
Mockery- It’s funny. It makes us laugh. What’s wrong with it?
Death- We’re all going to die eventually. What’s the big deal about it?
All you do to me is mock me.
And all you do is hate us.
You never give evidence, you only call yourselves enlightened for your lack of faith.
Have you not seen the evidence page?
God warns that heathens offer freedom,pleasure,and knowledge, but they are lying.
Because he wants to keep you living in fear.
I have offered you eternal life, and you have cursed me.
Eternal life would get boring after a while.
I do not curse you, nor your choices,nor any horrid sin you do.
And yet you try and make your ’sins’ illegal.
I cry for you. I will weep in the presence of God because of you, and because i could not save of you a single soul.
Thanks for crying, but you’re wasting your tears.
So, my sinful,fallen companions i leave you today with just one question. Why?
Because.
May Christ Jesus, The One True God, have mercy on you my friends.
I thought his dad was the One True God. Get your facts straight, asshole.
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@ Christian #96,
A complement: I’ve always said that if reason is enough to remove your faith, then you must not be a christian. That makes you bonafide. You are tenacious in your faith.
Your evidence of prophecy can be argued by one of our great philosophers of modern times.
“If you speak to God, you’re a christian. If he answers. you’re schizophrenic.” – Lily Tomlin
Dinosaurs and humans co-existing: Let’s see. Imagine some early human, walking along, whistling some Yiddish tune. An Allosaurus steps from behind a bush. Does Mr. Human say: “Hi big fella’! Fetch the stick!”, or does Dino see an easy meal and gobble him up? Allosaurus isn’t going to play grab ass with humans! Reason should tell you that humans wouldn’t have lasted a century without modern weapons against a world populated with such animals!
“But that was in the Garden of Eden and all predatory animals were vegetarians.” you’re gonna say, right? Give me the name of any REPUDIDABLE palentologist who would say such nonsense!
Seashells on mountains: Geology! If a mountain started at the bottom of the ocean, like in Hawaii, and over time grew above the surface, that would explain your conundrum nicely. Mountain is older than seashell. You and ignorant ID scientists don’t believe in the science of plate techtonics and think that the world today is the same as the world was over the millienia. Dumb as a bag of hammers!
Global flood: Neptune! HUH? Yes a planet covered with liquid. If the earth had a global flood and was covered with water, the atmospheric pressure would be so high that NO LIFE COULD BE SUSTAINED. In addition, all that water isn’t just going to evaporate and turn into puffy clouds. At 100% humidity and no volcanic processes to assist in the process, the water just sits there. Noah starts wondering when the water is going to receed and if he’s going to have to break out the keg grill and cook an ostritch burger or two because he’s running out of food on the damned boat.
All this you can look up on any university website, but you won’t, like you won’t answer my questions. Your fragile little mind is set in stone like a fossil.
The Flying Spaghetti Monster still loves you, even in your ignorant, neolithic state of being.
Please get an education!
RAmen!
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OK “Christian”…let’s talk about your “evidence”.
As for the prophecies. You quote the Bible, and then go back to the Bible to show they actually happening. This is a classical example of circular logic.
Christian, sorry to break it to you but, the New Testament was written decades after the ALLEGED life time of Jesus. Which means those who wrote it could take their time making sure they matched each other and the Old Testament-and they still didn’t do a good job. There is no extrabiblical evidence that Jesus even existed, let alone was the coming true of the prophecies. The Jews are the strongest reason to think the New Testament stories are true because they have descended from people who lived there at the time and they tell us they didn’t happen. It is like saying, I will prove the truth of my claim by producing the people who say it’s false(quote from Tom Paine).
As for fossils of marine creatures on land, Einstein, that’s because lands and seas MOVE. So areas that are now mountain top were under water some day.
As for humans and dinos having lived together, if you seriously believe that, so need to be in an asylum.
As for Yahweh not having been cruel because the world needs policing. I guess that makes Genghis Khan and Hitler a lot nicer than him, don’t you think? At least when they committed genocide they didn’t claim the victims were “their children”, or that they were all powerful and they could avoid immeasurable and unnecessary suffering.
The only omnibenevolent deity I know of is the FSM.
You asked us earlier why we hate god. While I do not believe that your god exists, I do despise creationists like you. Because science has not been under a threat of this magnitude from religion since the time of Galileo. Some of us have to worry.
Ramen
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war, hate,and death are things that christians spread on a daily basis
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Hey Chris, i really have to thank you. You have changed my life – I have seen the light – Hallelujah!
*now fuck off
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Christian, you say your old testament god is much like the police. I prefer my police not to commit acts of genocide by wiping out whole cities because a few people pissed them off. But, hey, whatever floats your boat.
And you believe in the Fred Flinstone scenario.
Ha ha ha ha ha ha.
You’re a nutjob.
People like you are actually scary.
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Why do hate God so much,what did He do to you to make you doubt His existence.
well he didnt exist for starters
Everything He hates, you love. Sex,war,blasphemy,hate,mockery, even death you love!
well i do love sex you have me there.
God warns that heathens offer freedom,pleasure,and knowledge, but they are lying
So enslave yourself in ignorance and pain! huzzah!
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HOSEA
9:12 Though they bring up their children, yet will I bereave them, that there shall not be a man left: yea, woe also to them when I depart from them!
9:13 Ephraim, as I saw Tyrus, is planted in a pleasant place: but Ephraim shall bring forth his children to the murderer.
9:14: Give them, O LORD: what wilt thou give? give them a miscarrying womb and dry breasts.
9:15: All their wickedness is in Gilgal: for there I hated them: for the wickedness of their doings I will drive them out of mine house, I will love them no more: all their princes are revolters.
9:16: Ephraim is smitten, their root is dried up, they shall bear no fruit: yea, though they bring forth, yet will I slay even the beloved fruit of their womb.
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13:4 Yet I am the LORD thy God from the land of Egypt, and thou shalt know no god but me: for there is no saviour beside me.
13:7 Therefore I will be unto them as a lion: as a leopard by the way will I observe them:
13:8 I will meet them as a bear that is bereaved of her whelps, and will rend the caul of their heart, and there will I devour them like a lion: the wild beast shall tear them.
13:15 Though he be fruitful among his brethren, an east wind shall come, the wind of the LORD shall come up from the wilderness, and his spring shall become dry, and his fountain shall be dried up: he shall spoil the treasure of all pleasant vessels.
13:16 Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up.
Yah, I’ve read that part.
So God is destroying evil, so what. This world is completely corrupt, and whenever God sends people to help people turn from their wicked ways, the people mock them and turn them away(go back a few books to all the times God sent people over to Ephraim and Tyrus and Gilgal). And then, when God finally gets fed up and does something about it, people get mad. Thats just like if you were a child and your Dad said if you didn’t stop misbehaving you’d get a spanking, and then you keep on till he does, the yell “ITS NOT FAIR!!!” at the top of your lungs.
God is allowed to destroy evil. Evidence for God is everywhere, why even the sky shows the glory of God. Have you never seen how wonderful the world is? Oh if only i could help you. But you will not be helped. The fool say in his heart “There is no God” -Psalms The wicked are like the beasts that perish -Psalms. Glory to God! Amen
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@ christian. PLEASE READ
I’ll start by saying I’ve read the whole bible and am not offended by God’s wrath in the old testament. Reason? Imagine a world without police.
- The christian God isn’t a policeman, he’s a crooked jail warden
That being said, on to the evidence!
God ability to prophecy:http://www.godonthe.net/evidence/messiah.htm
-Failed prophecies: http://www.goatstar.org/failed-prophecies/
anyways prophecies aren’t evidence, especially self-fulfilling ones
Dinosaurs and humans coexisted:http://www.godonthe.net/evidence/messiah.htm
-No, no they didn’t, unless you have a degree in paleontology im not listening
Global flood:we’ve found seashells on mountain tops, a is below sea level, a mountain in thousands of feet above see level. The seashells are younger than the mountains by evolution time lines. Explain.
-All the evidence points AWAY from a global flood. Young shells on mountaintops? Your point being? Could you show me your source please? Have you never taken shifting tides, tectonic plates, natural disasters, etc… into account. Yet again, unless you have a degree in geology im not listening
There. Evidence of God. I’m done arguing and I’m done “ranting”. If you want to debate me scientifically feel free to.
-You haven’t shown evidence of God, not once. Even if your evidence for a young earth wasn’t mere assumption, it doesn’t prove Yahweh did it
P.S. you can’t deny something is real just because you can’t see it. Otherwise, gravity, the wind, words, and computer data don’t exist. You want a scientific debate, then by God I’ll give you one.
-Yes, but all of your examples are either testable or effect the senses, and i will just remind you that “religious experiences” have been linked to certain brain chemical releases, in other words hallucinations, so don’t bother bringing those up.
-You wouldn’t know how to debate scientifically anyway, i doubt you have any education further than a cruddy public high school. We are not interested in anything you say unless you have proven yourself by earning the qualifications.
In closing; GET AN EDUCATION! EARN YOUR DEGREE’S! THEN COME BACK TO US IF YOUR OPINION IS THE SAME AND WE’LL DISCUSS IT!
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Christian, Post 96:
–P.S. you can’t deny something is real just because you can’t see it. Otherwise, gravity, the wind, words, and computer data don’t exist. You want a scientific debate, then by God I’ll give you one.
FAIL FAIL FAIL.
We are not asking to SEE GOD, we are asking to see EVIDENCE OF GOD.
The evidence of gravity is that we don’t float.
The evidence of wind is that you can physically feel it.
Words – YOU CAN HEAR THEM.
Computer data – YOU CAN ACCESS IT.
Also, your argument can’t be “Well I can feel/hear God”, because the feeling is internal, and you can’t prove you’ve heard God.
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*shudder* Okay, first, why are you SO concerned about other people’s lives. It’s their buisiness and they should make their own choices. Second, have you actually READ your so-called amazing book that according to you portrays your ‘god’ as an “amazing” being? If you say you have, I don’t think we’ve read the same book. The bible I read shows god as a extremely un-forgiving, vengeful individual. In this case, one might want to pay attention when reading. Maybe it’s just that your comprehension isn’t that good.
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Ok, maybe, just maybe :
Have you ever thought of the possibility that we do not hate God? In fact, have you ever thought that we do not believe that your God exists? How can we hate him then?
I don’t think that heaven exists, and nor does hell. How can I desire one and fear the other? I think that sin and salvation are inventions of religions to control people. How will this convince me then?
Have you ever thought that to convince us of these things, you should try to show us that they exist first?
However, I suggest that we just all go on and have an happy, loving life with each other. With the FSM or GOD, or none. Just as long as the state stays secular, I encourage you to believe everything you want. I’m just not as easily convinced.
Peace man, and remember, God must have all the powers, and thus all responsibilities. Don’t put to much on your shoulders. If it happens that God exists, it’s going to be between me and him.
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#96
“God ability to prophecy:http://www.godonthe.net/evidence/messiah.htm
Dinosaurs and humans coexisted:http://www.godonthe.net/evidence/messiah.htm
Global flood:we’ve found seashells on mountain tops, a is below sea level, a mountain in thousands of feet above see level. The seashells are younger than the mountains by evolution time lines. Explain”
Oh come on Christian…seriously?! Surely you can do better than that?
“You want a scientific debate, then by God I’ll give you one.”
Not off to a good start Christian :(
Try something a little more realistic, rather than those same old repeated silly creationist canards! They’ve been so simply and soundly trashed by so many, so many thousands of times over all ready!
Any more of that silly old fund-a-nut rubbish and I’m afraid we will have to release the lions!
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Oh dear, Christian. Now you admit to believing that dinosaurs and humans existed together simultaneously. Guess you’ve never heard of carbon dating then. The dinosaurs were pretty much wiped out about 60 million years ago. A huge asteroid crashed into the earth causing a massive climate change. All the dirt and dust thrown up into the atmosphere prevented sunlight from reaching the ground causing the temperature to drop drastically. Essentially a nice age occurred and the dinosaurs died off because the couldn’t feed. Only small mammals and other smaller lifeforms survived. That’s it in a nutshell but if you want the longer story I’m sure I or someone else would be glad to tell you. It took quite a few million years before primates developed. We have the fossil record and have also found evidence of the meteor crash. Ash and dust form the disaster have been found and carbon dated all over the earth. Sorry dude. Man and dinosaurs did most empirically not exist together. As for finding seashells on the tops of mountains, yes this is true. But these seashells are in the range of a few hundred million years old. I guess you’re unfamiliar with plate tectonics as well. The land masses that we live on actually float. Yes, it’s true. they float on the liquid magma that often spews up out of volcanoes. When two masses meet head on usually one sinks and the other rises. Now remember that there is also land underneath the sea. That’s where the seashells are. If that particular land mass is pushed up, so are the seashells. Over a great deal of time the seabed can become a mountain. It’s really quite simple if you know what to look for. As for the global flood of Noah’s day, think about one thing. How big was the biblical world? Did they know about the Indians living in North and South America? What about the Chinese and Japanese? Not to mention Taiwan and other far eastern countries. No they did not. At least the writers in the bible certainly didn’t but these people did exist and didn’t get flooded. Kind of makes you think, eh?
Now as for your suggestion that in order to prove something is real you must be able to see it, ie: gravity’ once again your argument fails. Gravity, the wind, computer data, and a ton of other unseen things can be measured. You can’t see the distance from Iceland to Antarctica either but you know as well as I do that it is there.
I’m not trying to knock your faith or convert you. I’m just trying to get you to see that our viewpoint is valid. We here simply can’t understand why anyone would want to believe something that can’t be proven in a laboratory. For the majority of us here we want scientific, undeniable proof. We can’t believe something just because somebody said it or it was written in a very old book that’s been rewritten several times to suit the needs of the controlling church or people in power. We don’t trust those kind of people. they’ve lied to us far too many times over the last several centuries. Don’t forget that once upon a time the church executed people for saying the world was round. It is you know. You suggested that we watch some of the videos that support your ideas. I did. You people scare me. I guess one of the big problems I have with Christianity is that most of you have no problem whatsoever with returning the human race back to the dark ages. No scientific research that isn’t sanctified by the church. Before I wish you a goodnight could you be so kind as to respond to one question? Was the Spanish Inquisition a good thing?
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Forgive me, that was supposed to say, “an ice age” not “a nice age” but I have to admit that from a skiiers aspect, it looks kinda cool!
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Oops, I’m sorry. That was supposed to say, “an ice age” not “a nice age” but from a skiiers aspect it looks kinda cool!
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Hello Christian
Can you speak in tongues?
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Why cant your sort just keep your misguided beliefs to yourselves?
I dont hate what you believe, now return the favour.
Pirates though!…bloody brilliant aren’t they?
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you’re fucking nuts dude.
that is all.
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Oh poor Chris, I feel so sorry for you. Your circular reasoning is all tangled up.
Chris, you can’t deny the FSM because you haven’t seen him Can you get that through your head?
FSM is allowed to punish evil. He just doesn’t do that like Yahweh through rape and genocide. That would make him an a-hole like his bronze-age counterpart whom you are so fond of.
Evidence for FSM is everywhere, why even the sky shows the glory of FSM. Have you ever seen how wonderful the world is.
Only if I could help you. But you won’t be helped. For the fool says in his heart, “there is no FSM”. You have no idea how his noodly touch feels. You reject the salvation.
FSM has all the glory he needs already, so I don’t have to wish him more. That doesn’t seem to be the case for your god. Every time you post you wish him glory. He obviously can use more of it.
Beer and strippers for eveyone.
Ramen
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That’s the point, Chris, god has not done one, damned, provable thing.
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lets leave the poor guy alone. He’s clearly upset.
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@Christian Post 124
Nice to see you back with us!
So..how did the weeping in the presence of God go?
I had a lovely time worshiping at the beer volcano, thank you for asking.
I’ll be sticking with my deity of choice, your one sounds like a child abuser.
Do you, or have you ever had any mental health issues we should be aware of?
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to everyone who answered my evidence with scientific knowledge, I salute you for your interest in a debate. To everyone who just laughed and mocked, you’ve defeated your own argument by not showing evidence and simply having faith the scientists are right “gasp”.
I did not mean that the dinosaurs and humans live right next store to humans, thats just dumb. As is saying we had them as pets (imagine having a whale for a pet) thats retarded. However, if you look to every single human civilization you will find stories of larger than life reptiles(often call dragons). And now that we actually have the bones of these massive reptiles, are you actually go to sweep all the encounters under the rug and say they lived millions of years ago? I know what your thinking, what about the fire breathing? I’ll answer you, we know of an eel that uses electricity, we know of a beetle that mixes chemicals and shoots a mild acid out of its abdomen, we know of an ant that actually explodes to help its colony win a battle. I see no reason why a few species of dinosaurs couldn’t breath fire.(please don’t respond to the above just by laughing, explain to me why a few species couldn’t have).As to them being vegetarians, that was only during the garden of eden when all animals were herbivores, afterwards they were flesh eating killing machines. As to your mention of tectonic activity to explain the seashells, i must inform you that we also found ancient boat ancors on mountains, dating Pre-Sumeria. Now why on earth would ancient people take ancors to the tops of mountains? They wouldn’t even climb the mountains, they’re so high. We can hardly climb them with all the technology of today. Also, the prophecies are not just recorded in the Bible, several pagan historians wrote on the life of Jesus. As to being able to feel wind, hear words, notice gravity, etc. We can also “feel” God in the same way through the Holy Spirit. Now, to those who answered me the first time I look forward to counter examples. To those who just mocked me the first time, please grow up and actually give examples other than “your wrong, I’m right fuck off” May The Lord Jesus rule over God’s people forever and may you challenge me with knowledge so that we both gain, Amen.
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Christian #124,
So where is your scientific proof? Why are you still quoting the Bible, and half-baked ID websites? Because you’re a hypocrite!
The point behind this website is simple. To remind people of the difference between science and religion, adn why the two must be kept separate. You’re a hypocrite because you speak of religion as if it were science. It’s not. Medicine, food, the clothes on your back and the shoes on your feet are from the FSM. He the God of rational, independent thought! His noodly Appendages have touched all the great thinkers of history in order to make your pathetic life possible.
What would our world be like if all its teachers were just like you? We’d still be in mud-huts, afraid of the moon and comets. Everytime the earth rumbled, we’d run to a priest and ask him why God was angry with us. You would’nt be sitting at your computer spouting your nonsense! You would even know what one was. When you got sick, you’d go to Dr. Mobogo and he’d make you breathh smoke and put some leeches on you. And when it was time for you to die, there would be no heaven or hell for you because those concepts came from other religions(Zoroastercism, Greek mythology), you weak-minded, shit-kicking troll! It would be better for you to ignore all modern thoughts, be a Luddite, flat-earther, pick your moniker. Just don’t try to convince anyone that you’re educated or that they should be like you.
Someday, His Noodly Appendage will touch you. Personally, I don’t wan’t to hear from a rube like you ever again!
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Forgive my typos!
He got me kinda angry!
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christian, i’ve read parts of an apologist’s bible and “learned” about this global flood – the whole noah and ark tale. now, let’s consider what “global” would have meant to the folks who lived during that time. cast your mind backwards and consider the following: they were a semi-nomadic people, uneducated and therefore illiterate, they had no science, no literature, nothing we moderns can relate to in any concrete way. so for us, in the 21st century, the term “global” is literal: it is the entire planet, the Earth. for people thousands of years ago, “global” would mean their immediate world, a territory of a few hundred or perhaps thousand square kilometres. if there was a flood, and there may well have been, their world would have been immersed under the seas. hence, a “global” flood becomes for them a reality; not so much for us.
as well, this evidence you speak of, i have never been able to discover any of it. i hear all sorts of talk about it – from the discovery institute, dr michael behe, dr stephen meyer and most recently (and if i may add shamefully) mr ben stein – but absolutely no one produces this so-called convincing evidence that an intelligent designer, ie the christian god, created the world (ireducible complexity – give me a break!). ditto for the website you seem so enamoured of, http://www.godonthe.net. it speaks but never shows. i guess i’m supposed to take this “evidence” on faith. yeah, not gonna happen. you’re going to have to do a lot better than that if you want anyone not of the same mindset to believe you.
we all appreciate the incredible patience you think you’ve shown us, and i presume, other religions, regarding our inability to “see” the truth of what you say; however, i think you’re taking the animus found in the old testament and indicative of evangelical protestantism in general (a seemingly unique US phenomenom – thank the FSM for that!) and projecting it on to all those who disagree with you.
once again, it’s apparent that attackers of pastafarianism fail to read the open letter that begins this website. we know from your letter that you’re not illiterate. so how about reading bobby’s letter and actually allowing that brain of yours to comprehend it, not as a threat, but as a door to undertanding what science really is.
praise be his noodly appendage,
V
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The evidence for The Flying Spaghetti Monster is everywhere, why even the sky shows the glory of The Flying Spaghetti Monster. Have you never seen how wonderful the World is?
Under your argument the paragraph above constitutes proof.
Hmmmm.
I love this site and I love my fellow Pastafarians.
I even love the space cadets like Christian who is quite plainly off his crust.
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**9:16: Ephraim is smitten, their root is dried up, they shall bear no fruit: yea, though they bring forth, yet will I slay even the beloved fruit of their womb.**
So apparently god is OK with partial birth abortions. Then why are the religious types so fired up against them?
I’m just sayin’.
ET
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:/ How can I hate something I don’t believe exists?…
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Christian I invite you to shiver my mainbrace gar! Something for you to consider…
There seems to be a lack of other religions attacking Pastafariansim?
Why is this? Could it be because they are confident and happy in their faith and so don’t need to try and convert or knock others?
If I’m wrong come on you Muslims and Jews, you Hindus and Sikhs,roll out the mats Buddists and bring forth your lightsabers Jedi (for in England this is an officially recognised religion – oh yeah!)!
Don’t let Christian deal with us on his own…what’s that you couldn’t give a monkeys? His religion is a load of old mumbo jumbo? He’s only got one God and you’ve got many? And anyway YOUR God(s) is(are) the one true and only real God(s)?
Let’s face it Christian your memebership is falling, your importance is dwindling (apart from a heinous political power that needs to stopped immediatley!) and everything you hold dear is falling apart around your ears, everything you beleive in is being proved false. If I was in your situation I would like to think that I to would try and hold on til the bitter end – luckily I’m a Scientist! If my “pet” theory goes up the Swanee then I’d actually be interested to see what it will be replaced with.
Peace out man – which is more then yor religion has ever done for anyone ;-)
Wurzel
p.s I’m still smarting that you didn’t respond to my last couple of comments… you cut me Christain, you cut me deeep…
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